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It's not the Chinese standard of living that's going up.
It's the US wages that will plummet.
Or, its the Chinese social welfare that gets the lion's share of the wage growth...centralised pools, centralised-controlled enterprises. End of small businesses in China. Death to capitalism, Chinese style.
China: State has a role in economy, growing at 9%.
US: "Free market" "capitalism", fucked.
Yeah the chinese are stoopid.
isn't that the same?
This is total BULLSHIT!!
Average wage in China = 7000$
Average wage in the US = 47.000$
TO GET THERE IN 5 YEARS THEY WOULD NEED A +60% INCREASE IN SALARIES A YEAR!!
5% PLUS EVERY MONTH!!
THE 5th YEAR ALONE, YOUR ECONOMY WOULD NEED TO INCREASE 2.5 TIMES AS MUCH IN 1 YEAR TO SIZE AS THEIR ECONOMY IS NOW!
I agree with first post- Look for wages in the USA to plummet in next 5 yrs ( the parabolic effect started 2 decades ago) . Figures lie and liars figure , US Middle Class D.O.A. - tagged and bagged . Who gives a rats ass how much Chinese middle class makes . Folk here would just like to buy gas and food , and have a little extra . This whole mess just sucks . Went to fill up my wifes car last night , and to get 5 gal can filled for lawn mower , and fill propane jug for grill . $100!!!!!!!! FRICKING DOLLARS . PRAY TELL , HOW IN HELL IS MIDDLE CLASS JOE SUPPOSED TO KEEP UP THIS URSURY PAYMENT TO CORPORATE / GOVT LOOTERS . Till the monies gone and they own us . Kneel ,serf , kneel . I want the first slave tatoo .
Or you need to revalue the currencies.......
It's simple really. Renmimbi is allowed to trade freely v USD and China's relative wages rise substantially (or the Us wages drop precipitously, whichever way you choose to view it.) Same result.
Add that tot he Chinese wage growth that is going to occur even under the present fixed exchange rate regime and the rise can easily be achieved.
Right, but how long will increased Chinese wages persist if it causes decreased demand of their products? [hint: why they didn't depeg long ago].
Yeah.. No doubt that's the direction, but in 4 years time??... I'm gonna have to call bullshit on that too..
Good call SD - Total BULLSHIT - because everything in economics occurs in a STRAIGHT LINE REGRESSION - Boston Consulting really put their name on this report - Holy Sh*t! - Hey TD - can you arrange an interview with this 'BCG expert' (<--obviously only an expert @ BCG as anywhere else in reality I believe the more appropriate adjective is NIMROD) , please contact Dave Fondiller at 212 446 3257 or email@example.com & let PLEASE let Marla tear him to shreads - Attention Austan Goolsbee isn't this Dave Fondiller the guy you cheated from in your economics courses @ Carnegie Mellon?!
Can you see yourself on the bicycle and at the noddle shop?
You MUST be kidding (sarc).
Americans hop the family in their big SUV and head off to McDonalds after papa worked a full day at his McJob.
Suuuu-wee, feeding time kids!
Ok, seriously, China has more 'honor students' than the USA has students! On average, Chinese people have a far better education for their citizens located within cities than their USA counterparts. Add to that, many China factories have new machinery/technology, China has no nasty money-sucking/resource-sucking unions, and Chinese workers work a full day.
Please don't hate the messenger. Go visit China yourself and prepare to realize that the over 25% high school dropout rate in the USA leaves little to be desired... unless they aspire to get a McJob.
What you say may be true. What is also true is that China is using NO polution controls, they are poisoning the air, land and water of China. This story misses the point that what we really were exporting was the pollution, not jobs. The job export was a side issue.
Tell me about the health care system in China, the retirement system in China, the food distribution system in China. This is the land of poisoned milk, poisoned toys, poisoned sheet rock, you name it. When TPTB are done with China, it will collapse like a house of cards.
We heard all the same stories about Japan back in the day, they started exactly the same way as China in manufacturing.
If the story had used a timeline like fifty years, possible. 5? Right.
Although Mao's 5 year plans could destroy China's industry in that time, I don't think they can make it uncompetitive based on wages.
The health care system in China is not a PONZI scheme that will take down the USA (or at least be outright theft of earnings/money from their citizens).
Retirement... it is called gold, silver, copper etc holdings. Only a fool would trust ANY central bank as they all suffer from purposeful devaluation of FIAT currency. China promotes to their citizens to buy gold and silver, which is available at many banks throughout the country. What does the USA central bank tout and can Americans buy gold and silver countrywide at said banking institutions? Are Americans by and large educated properly about currency and savings, or do they blindly trust what the Federal Reserve central bankers tell them?
Food distribution system in China is generally fine. Plenty of land, too, and they are building high-tech rail systems to transport goods. The pollution you speak of is indeed a problem for now, yet over time that will diminish. America and other countries had the same problems during their growth. As you said, Japan back in the day started exactly the same way as China in manufacturing.
Am not saying China is perfect, yet the USA is a troublesome PONZI scheme amongst even more PONZI schemes, blighted by unions that waste resources, etc. But the worst killer of America long term, besides the collapse of these PONZI schemes (plural), is the sheer lack of education and mind-bogglingly high dropout rate of those in high school. Worse still is that it takes very little knowledge or critical thinking/processing skills in America to graduate high school.
China has made much progress since 1949-- infrastructure, education, industrial base. However, if the Chinese leadership were wise, it would be less dependent on the United States. China and the U.S. are in a bear hug with each other, and it isn't healthy for either country. Ideally, China would focus its energies on supplying itself with goods, and increasing its own people's standard of living, instead of shipping it all to the West in some vain hope of gaining a monopolistic position in Western markets. Think of how Chinese could enjoy all of these products sent to the West, especially the U.S., in return for pieces of worthless paper!
One more thing. The quality of products sent to the U.S. from China these days is pretty bad. My nearly-new coffee maker leaks, a sweatshirt that someone bought me stinks of cheap dye that wasn't fixed, and the bicycles are known to have their frames break. Is the good stuff being kept within China, after all?
Yet all centrally planned economies suffer the same fate.
But here's some pics from my last trip there. Pretty cool place to check out nonetheless. http://gallery.me.com/tribebreaker#100003&bgcolor=black&view=grid
Notice that there's hardly a single soul in any of my pics though. Hard to believe when there's 1.2 billion people in that country. Makes one wonder if all the stimulus plans to boost tourism was dumped into money loosing projects. All that money on a freeway and I'm the only car on it!
No,no Western Country is allowed to compete on anything,this would obviously be a threat to the lifestyle of the 5% whoose business is the failed concept of Globalisation which translates as " the highest profit at any price ".
Quick! Everyone run to the Iphone factory for those awesome new jobs! Its not slavery if you volunteer!
I can't wait until I have the chance to work 4 jobs so I can pay my bills!
why not just generate them and ask for a bailout or stimulus package instead? if you dont get one you could allways tell them if they dont hand over more money you will leave... just like greece...
Bummer part for you will be that you'll only be able to work 4 times 6 hour shifts so that will account as PART TIME JOBS! So we'll pay you minimum -50%.
PS: when you come to work, don't wear any sweaters. Our whips sometimes get stuck in them and that may demotivate are Whipping managers as their whipping quota's may go down if they have to unstrung their whips.
a major shift in policy and laws will have to change for any large shift to happen
I guess we better get that Hi Speed Rail system into the battle plan huh?
These sorry mother fuckers here wont work..Unless its from home and very easy with great pay and benefits and retire at 50 and 5 weeks vacation off the bat bla bla bla..
Not to mention everyone between the ages of 18 and 30 are "filmmakers."
That's why nearly a million of the sorry mfers applied at McDs.
Ssshhhh... "these are not the droids you're looking for".
This isn't satire? Who da thunk that the Pigmen are doing it all for the little guy. Now I've heard it all.
Double down on outsourcing to bring the jobs back home. Riiiiight.
Kind of like the Broken Window Fallacy eh, bob?
I think the part many have trouble imagining is that the US will cease to exist as the world's primary glutton before too long. And Wage parity with China would come with Chinese working conditions.... else, with OSHA like statutes and unions, net wages will stay up in the developed world.
According to the iron law of wages, wage parity won't be a good thing for the Occidental earners.
I doubt Americans will be willing to go back to manufacturing jobs as long as financial industry motherfuckers are still 'earning' outsized salaries for doing nothing but ruining the economy.
Making $100K a year isn't bad for a 2 year college degree where the hardest math is basic algebra and some geometry. You get to work in an air conditioned facility. It beats the hell out of McDonalds and WalMart.
That goes for me anyway. Why work for clownbux?
If they over ate, they are going to take a massive dump. Guess who's getting the pile of shit?
Sounds like anti-China propaganda to me. In my opinion China has a valid economic program similar to what America was doing in the boom years after the second world war, while the US has become a creature of finance capital trying to leach as much money from the real economy as possible through speculation and multi-national corporations reliant on slave labour. These Parasites don't care about American workers or chinese workers they care about money and keeping the empire alive so they can keep their money and power.
This is where China comes in, they are a threat to the Anglo-American financiers' empire and they must be stopped. Vassal countries of the IMF/World Bank/WTO are looking for alternatives, they see America collapsing on one side and China booming on another, they see America blowing up wedding parties with predator drones on one side and they see see China sending in workers to help build infrastructure on another.
This is the purpose of the "Arab spring" happening as we speak, bring the naughty puppets back under US control.
Exactly. It has not one thing to do with how "bad" American workers are. It is the government, and the government alone, that drove our manufacturing base overseas.
Agreed, and a banker probably made in 1 year what he made in 18. Other factors need to be figured into the American workers dilemma, for instance the government intentionally pursuing policies to increase housing costs (and not wages), what kind of work is most rewarded monetarily compared with what is produced by that work, how easily the central bank can debase worker salaries, and how many people don't work but enjoy great benefits on behalf of the government. Nominal wages are only one part of America's compensation problem.
...a banker probably made in 1 year what he made in 18.
That. Fraud pays better than work.
Really tmos? Who was forcing GM/Detroit to turn out poorly manufactured automobiles long before the government was driving anything everywhere? Or those god awful GE appliances?
America does well in small, entrepreneurial businesses, craftsmanship.
Not in big companies, robot manufacturing.
UAW. Yes, they have Government paid lackey's on their roll's as well.
It seems to me that you talking about management and not about workers.
Cheap and faulty designs, substandard parts and materials were accepted by them with full knowledge. First you sell your product and then worry what to do next. Permanent, year after year recalls were their invention. That practice is still in use just look at Microsoft or Apple or anything else.
Both eally. GM cars with coke cans rattling in doors and steering wheels falling off were not uncommon.
Both were responsible. I think at that booming stage of an economy, everyone has a huge entitlement complex.
Oh and for those that say that American workers won't do the job because they are too spoiled....I worked in manufacturing for 18 years. I saw committement and pride and good team spirit.
So fuck you.
a big +1
those kind of comments come from the same negative nelly crowd that foolishly states that America doesn't manufacture anything anymore
a cursory look at Google shows America manufactures quite a bit :)
We used to manufacture EVERYTHING used in the entire world. Now we don't--China does. Not a good trend.
Not sure why you seem to think it is going to reverse itself any time soon.
rising chinese labor costs + high transport prices
i'm in manufacturing, and i'm seeing it now. we have cost structure analysis that now justifies starting a new product, with manufacturing done here. HERE, dammit.
Go ahead, slave your whole life away for peanuts. The bankstas laugh.
i'm making an honest living. you?
so...were you a well trained obedient slave..is that what you mean?
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