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China Lashes Out At US "Hypocrisy", Blasts US Human Rights "Double Standard" In Pursuing "World Hegemony"

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In what can only be described as a stunning deterioration in foreign relations between the world's two superpowers, following Friday's release by the US State Department of the annual report on human rights, which expressed sharp criticism of the human rights records of China, North Korea, Cuba and Belarus, among others, China decided it has had enough. Less than 48 hours later, it has lashed back at the US with a report that is making headlines at every government controlled, and otherwise, media in mainland China, which makes a mockery of the US double standard when it comes to human rights, and exposes US "hypocrisy" which China (rightly many would claim) asserts is merely a pretext for continued US attempts at world "hegemony". As Xinhua reports on its front page, "The Human Rights Record of the United States in 2010 was
released by the Information Office of China's State Council, or
cabinet, in response to the Country Reports on Human Rights Practices
for 2010 issued by the U.S. Department of State on April.
The U.S. reports are "full of distortions and
accusations of the human rights situation in more than 190 countries and
regions including China. However, the United States turned a blind eye
to its own terrible human rights situation and seldom mentioned it
China's report said.
" The war of words hits a new all time record: "The United States has taken human rights as "a political instrument to defame other nations' image and seek its own strategic interests," the report said. While illustrating a dismal record of the United States on its own human rights, China's report said the United States could not be justified to pose as the world's "human rights justice." "However, it released the Country Reports on Human Rights Practices year after year to accuse and blame other countries for their human rights practices," the report said. These moves fully expose the United States' hypocrisy by exercising double standards on human rights and its malicious design to pursue hegemony under the pretext of human rights, it said. The report advised the U.S. government to "take concrete actions to improve its own human rights conditions, check and rectify its acts in the human rights field, and stop the hegemonistic deeds of using human rights issues to interfere in other countries' internal affairs." While that last sentence may not be an explicit warning for the US to shut the hell up and focus on its own dirty laundry, or else, it sure does sound like one.

From Xinhua:


In the United States, the violation of citizens' civil and political rights by the government is severe, said the report.

Citizen's privacy has been undermined. More than 6,600 travelers had been subject to electronic device searches between October 1, 2008 and June 2, 2010, nearly half of them American citizens, said the report, citing figures released by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in September 2010.

The report said abuse of violence and torturing suspects to get confession is serious in the U.S. law enforcement, and "wrongful conviction occurred quite often."

While advocating Internet freedom, the U.S. in fact imposes fairly strict restriction on cyberspace, said the report.

The United States applies double standards on Internet freedom by requesting unrestricted "Internet freedom" in other countries, which becomes an important diplomatic tool for the U.S. to impose pressure and seek hegemony, and imposing strict restriction within its own territory, the report said.

The U.S. regards itself as "the beacon of democracy." However, its democracy is largely based on money, the report said.

According to media report in 2010, U.S. House and Senate candidates shattered fundraising records for a midterm election, taking in more than 1.5 billion U.S. dollars as of October 24. The midterm election, held in November 2010, finally cost 3.98 billion U.S. dollars, the most expensive in the U.S. history.


One out of every five people is a victim of a crime in the United States every year, said the report.

The United States reports the world' s highest incidence of violent crimes, and its people's lives, properties and personal security are not duly protected, the report said.

In 2009, an estimated 4.3 million violent crimes, 15.6 million property crimes and 133,000 personal thefts were committed against U.S. residents aged 12 or older, and the violent crime rate was 17.1 victimizations per 1,000 persons, said the report, quoting figures from the U.S. Department of Justice.

The United States also ranks first in the world in terms of the number of privately-owned guns and had high incidence of gun-related crimes, said the report, noting that the United States exercised lax control on the already rampant gun ownership.

Some 90 million people own an estimated 200 million guns in the United States, which has a population of about 300 million, the report said citing figures from the public media.

Statistics showed there were 12,000 gun murders a year in the United States, the report said.

The report also said that the frequent campus shootings in colleges in the United States came to the spotlight in recent years.


"Racial discrimination, deep-seated in the United States, has permeated every aspect of social life," said the report.

Minority groups confront discrimination in their employment and occupation. The black people are treated unfairly or excluded in promotion, welfare and employment, the report quoted U.S media reports as saying.

It is reported that one-third of black people confronted discrimination at work, against which only one-sixteenth of the black people would lodge a complaint.

The New York Times reported on September 23, 2010 that by the end of September 30, 2009, Muslim workers had filed a record 803 claims of complaints over employment discrimination, up 20 percent from the previous year.

The report said U.S. minority groups have high unemployment rate, and do not enjoy the same political status as white people.

Poverty proportion for U.S. minorities is high in the United States. The poverty proportion of the black was 25.8 percent in 2009, and those of Hispanic origin and Asian were 25.3 percent and 12.5 percent respectively, much higher than that of the non-Hispanic white at 9.4 percent, said the report, citing U.S. media figures.

The report also said that U.S. minority groups face obvious inequality in education, and the health care for African-American people is worrisome.

Racial discrimination is evident in the law enforcement and judicial systems, racial hate crimes are frequent, and immigrants' rights and interests are not guaranteed, said the report.


Gender discrimination against women widely exists in the United States, and women in the country often experience sexual assault and violence.

Statistics showed that some 20 million women are rape victims in the country, some one fifth female students on campus are victims of sexual assault, and nearly 3,000 female soldiers were sexually assaulted in fiscal year 2008, up nine percent from the year before.

Women are also victims of domestic violence in the United States, said the report, as some 1.3 million people fall victim to domestic violence every year, with women accounting for 92 percent.

Many children in the U.S. live in poverty and their physical and mental health is not ensured as nearly one in four children struggles with hunger, according to the report.

The report also pointed out that violence against children is very severe in the country, citing figures from the official website of Love Our Children USA that every year, over three million children are victims of violence reportedly and the actual number is three times greater.

More than 93,000 children are currently incarcerated in the United States, and between 75 and 93 percent of children have experienced at least one traumatic experience, including sexual abuse and neglect, the report said.

According to the report, pornographic content is rampant on the Internet and severely harms American children as seven in 10 children have accidentally accessed pornography on the Internet and one in three has done so intentionally.


The United States has a notorious record of international human rights violations, said the report.

The U.S.-led wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have caused huge civilian casualties.

Figures from the WikiLeaks website revealed up to 285,000 war casualties in Iraq from March 2003 through the end of 2009, with 63 percent of the 109,000 people killed in the Iraq war being civilians.

"The U.S. military actions in Afghanistan and other regions have also brought tremendous casualties to local people," said the report.

The report cited the notorious case on a "kill team" formed by five soldiers from the 5th Stryker Combat Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division of the U.S. forces in Afghanistan. The team had committed at least three murders, where they randomly targeted and killed Afghan civilians, and dismembered the corpses and hoarded the human bones.

In addition, the U.S.-led North Atlantic Treaty Organization troops had caused 535 Afghan civilian deaths and injuries in 2009. Among them 113 civilians were shot and killed, an increase of 43 percent over 2008, the report quoted McClatchy Newspapers as saying.


The United States have been holding individuals captured under the pretext of the "war on terror" and abusing detainees with various methods, according to the report.

The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) established secret detention facilities to interrogate so-called "high-value detainees," said the report, citing a document submitted to the United Nations Human Rights Council in May 2010.

According to the document, the CIA had taken custody of 94 detainees, and had employed "enhanced techniques" to varying degrees, including stress positions, extreme temperature changes, sleep deprivation and "waterboarding" in the interrogation of 28 of those detainees.

Full, unabridged report can and should be read here.


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Sun, 04/10/2011 - 12:53 | 1155047 Ruffcut
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Those morons should talk. Now political banter is on a global stage. Gotta consolidate the propaganda machine. It just is too much effort to have it decentralized,

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:00 | 1155069 Pepe
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      By the 1830s, the federal government no longer needed the Cherokees as strategic allies and land speculators wanted this land for plantations and for the gold that was discovered in North Georgia. In 1838, the government forced the removal of the Cherokees in the East to Oklahoma. Over 16,000 Cherokee began the long march, with one quarter to half dying along the way of the “Trail of Tears\

maybe you should check the history of your own country

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:14 | 1155104 Urban Redneck
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Sort of a half assed, small-scale version of the Great Leap Forward, which was only 50 years ago.  Both and All governments engage in hypocracy, unless there is some glaring example I've missed. 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:21 | 1155116 Fish Gone Bad
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I can just see Belushi now in Animal House screaming, "Food fight!"


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:24 | 1155483 TBT or not TBT
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But I thought the Obama administration had pre-empted and defused criticism like this with its Apology World Tour series.    Smart DiplomacyTM and all that....    Sounds like China has figured out what makes this administration tick; guilt at being american.   No wonder Obama refuses to just show his birth certificate:  He's embarassed to be American!

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 03:56 | 1156951 Urban Redneck
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I owe it all to little chocolate donuts

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:21 | 1155126 Kimo
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It is beneficial to the cause of human rights to have countries exposing each other's dirty laundry.  Let them squabble.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:33 | 1155162 margaris
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Nicely said!

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:06 | 1155691 tired1
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Quite right!

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 21:26 | 1156304 Bananamerican
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is it just possible that BOTH countries are full of fuckers?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:35 | 1156909 i-dog
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Correction: Not "full of", but "led by".

Is it just possible that ALL countries are led by fuckers?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 12:56 | 1158158 Bananamerican
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sorry, yeah that's what i meant

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:22 | 1155716 HedgeCock
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Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:44 | 1155521 AnAnonymous
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The Great Leap Forward was an exotic ideology driven event. This time, US citizens could tell about alien causes.

Compare: in the US, Ben Bernanke is nicknamed Zimbabwe Ben as if Zimbabwe had something to do with the practice Ben is implementing.  Ben is a one hundred per cent US citizen who applied US recipes. Nothing alien in him.

The Cherokees treatment was also one hundred per cent US citizen ideology driven.


The Great Leap Forward has to be depicted as a non chinese ideological pollution through the importation of non chinese ideological ideas.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:16 | 1155706 BigJim
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The Great Leap Forward has to be depicted as a non chinese ideological pollution through the importation of non chinese ideological ideas.

Stupidity and tyranny are pan-global, chum.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:45 | 1156797 Clancy
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Spanning multiple globes?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:19 | 1156896 AnAnonymous
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But their origins can be traced down.  The ideology behind the GLF was non chinese.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:41 | 1156913 i-dog
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"The ideology behind the GLF was non chinese."

It's true that it was non-Chinese ... in that it was Marxist (google "Theory of Productive Forces").

The whole Chinese communist experiment was Marxist-Leninist with Mao Zhedong's personal variations. So what's your point?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:44 | 1155196 King_of_simpletons
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This back and forth rhetoric does nothing and is like two scoundrels arguing whose dick is bigger.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:53 | 1155225 kaiserhoff
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Ah, So!  And Chinee man getting chop chop pissed as balls shrivel up from Japanquo radiation.  On other hand, tiny dick glow in dark!  Much easy to find;)

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:14 | 1155301 spartan117
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How do you know they have tiny dicks?  Sucked on a few in your lifetime?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:21 | 1155329 King_of_simpletons
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There is a new map out and it is called "World Penis Map"

.....After extensive research by top universities

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:31 | 1155336 spartan117
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"Top universities" that provide degrees through the internet?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:33 | 1155347 Rick64
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I hope thats in centimeters otherwise I got shortchanged.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:20 | 1156482 dogbreath
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there was an article in Discover back in July 1993?   The author showed that package size and sperm counts per ml had the do with breeding pressures.  An 800 pound gorrila has tiny balls and a sperm count of 60 million. Some south american monkeys have balls the size of grapefruits and sperm counts in the billions and have to deposit through the morass of many previous depositers.  Humans have an average sperm count of 200 million and its declining.  We dont have to fight for it.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:32 | 1155343 SilverRhino
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Talk to asian women. All of them agree, asian men are needle dicks.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:42 | 1155353 spartan117
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Is that what they tell you to make you feel better about your own "inadequacy"?

And why so interested in the size of an asian man's dick to even begin the discussion in the first place?  Go to China, you can get some there if you're really that interested in some chinese sausage.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:07 | 1155434 Abitdodgie
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This is how the Governments always start it , Divide and conquer, only in this case they will take us to war now they have the ball rolling.Don't worry if you see what they are doing you can make lots of money .I mean its not like anyone will stand up to them , so make lots of money instead.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:35 | 1155741 Bob
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Stimulative fiscal policy that Wall Street and the MIC can always agree on.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:47 | 1155201 Holodomor2012
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I'm not sure China is worse.  The US, and other satellites of Pax Judaica, are just better at hiding/justifying their BS.

Dresden & Tokyo firebombings, Katyn forest, Eisenhower death camps, Nagasaki & Hiroshima, the rape of Berlin, Torture and forced confessions at kangaroo court Nuremburg, etc.  And that's just within a few years.

If we really want to dig into things we can pin most of the crimes in China on Communism which was was designed, bought, and paid for by Pax Judaica.

Gregory Voitinsky, a Bolshevik, was the well-connected "Trotsky" behind Mao. 


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:13 | 1156744 Andy Lewis
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Eat my shit.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:55 | 1155232 Xibalba
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that's the trump card there.....

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:08 | 1155277 D1eeeeeNAHHHHH
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That's a good point.  This article obviously had little or no research done on it.  The writers could have told the truth, instead they only made the US look better! 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:30 | 1155340 Maxter
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It looks to me like the report focused on recent and/or actual events.  So the question is: are the Cherokee still suffering?


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:38 | 1155349 SilverRhino
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6 million native americans vs 60 million chinese. No contest. No trump card

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:55 | 1155403 Savyindallas
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What about the 40 million Lenin and Stalin killed - however, all of that is in the past. how about the last decade? not even close. We've invaded several countries, killed hundreds of thousands , if not millions, enage in systematic torture which we try to justify - - we need to stfu and get rid of these zionist, neocon/Neolibs who are disgracing this country  -all the while being funded by their tribesmen on Wall Street and the mainstream media.  

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:02 | 1155426 molotov
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agreed. The history of AmeriKKKa is paved with the blood of 100's of millions of innocents. nothing but divide and conquer, rape  and pillage. World War II is no cover for the truth. We justify every atrocity we have ever commited. Democracy my ass! It has always been greed and power.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:28 | 1155620 TBT or not TBT
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Exactly, we Americans of the present or near future went back in time to seed 15th century Europeans with diseases that would wipe out at least 90% of the native american population before the Pilgrims arrived in North America, to make it look like the conquistadores were unwittingly responsible for depopulating the Americas before our forefathers' and foremothers' and fore-othergendered ancestors' arrival.    Yeah!   That's the ticket!

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:34 | 1155636 TBT or not TBT
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Also, Muhammed was a CIA plant, as was Napoleon, and Jenjiss Khan...John Kerry ferried him up the river several dozen centuries ago, and not during the Vietnam war like he thought.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:23 | 1155722 BigJim
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I'm confused. Have Mohammed, Napoleon, and Jenjiss Khan been issuing annual assessments of other nation's human rights recently?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:24 | 1156489 TBT or not TBT
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There was no such thing as the UN back then, nevermind any poser international community talking shop within it concerned with "human rights," nor were there press releases per se, nor much of a news cycle, given the maximum speed of information travel was low, so, well, No.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:48 | 1155756 Bob
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Let us not forget our divine forgiveness of the African natives who stole onto our ships in order to party in the New World for free.  The population of the Condederacy was 50% slaves at the start of the Civil War--whereupon we not only freed them after a couple hundred years of slavery, but then gave them 40 acres and a mule . . . which nobody seems to know what they did with. 

Let's not overlook slavery, my fellow patriots. 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:32 | 1156509 TBT or not TBT
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Let's not wallow in it either.    The slavery that existed here in the current US states was far less severe than that practiced in other times, or than in other places in the world contemporaneously, such as, oh, the european sugar colonies in the carribean.   The slavery practiced there was just about mass murder.   As to how the africans got on slaver ships to begin with, that was mostly at the hands of other africans.   You see there was already an active practice of slavery on the continent before the triangular trade between africa, the americas, and europe fired up.   Africans received pay for enslaving other africans in that trade.   The europeans weren't big on going inland where malaria reigned.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:22 | 1156897 AnAnonymous
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Sure.  There is nothing like a consumer, demand driven economy.

Funny how US citizens can not suspend their duplicity for ten minutes. They have to display it permanently.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:03 | 1155553 Dejean Splicer
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Um, gee I don't know. It's funny, I must say, how such 'smart' zheople are so ignorant about their own sphere, whilst simultaneously being so ignorant about other spheres.

Experts, visionaries who know what they know. Know what?

Ignorance imparted to them from their favorite co-opted media outlet/disinfo outlet/phy-op outlet.


Envy, jealousy, inadequacy, racism? Hard to tell. Maybe the lack of a fully compromised shadow system makes you uneasy.

Fetal position in the warm cozy lap of your lizard overlord waiting for you monthly check. Your bennies from your Benny.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:39 | 1155640 notofdahsleeple
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Are you fuckin kiding me with your junk boat?!

1 fukin person is too many

6million vs 60 million your a fuckin moron does your golfball size consciousness even fathom the depth of 66 million dead people?

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:14 | 1155705 Banjo
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  • Near total wipe out of native American Indians.
  • 6 million as a percentage of 6.2-6.4 million. A 98% kill rate?
  • 60 million as a percentage of 650 million. A 11% kill rate. (You also may want to look up drought and famine throughout history)
  • Creating a constitution about the inaeliable rights of man to freedom, liberty and the pursuit of prosperity and happiness, while... (wait for it...) owning slaves, thats right owning other people as your own property who have none of the above "rights".


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:46 | 1155753 Hamsterfist
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Some scholars claim over 100 million Native Americans died in the wake of European expansion. Of course the more 'conservative' number is only 6 million. The point being no one really knows and both numbers are probably just guesses reflecting ideology. Splitting the difference places Americans on par with China. Now add in the untold MILLIONS America has slaughtered through war, sanctions and economic policies and you get a clear picture of hypocrisy.

Now I would never defend China either. Point being they are BOTH terrible. They can both be correct when pointing the finger at each other. Oh, and this is not Chinas' first human rights report about the U.S. They do this all the time, with the same bluster, so calm down. It does not mean WWIII, yet.

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 01:12 | 1156831 TBT or not TBT
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When we do it, the euphemism "kicking ass" is preferred.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:39 | 1156178 trav7777
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you people are STILL talking about 150 year old shit??


Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:24 | 1156898 AnAnonymous
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It is vastly needed. Chinese record of recent invasions is not as impressive as the US. Had to tap in the 2000 history record of China to try to make a balance, still a long way to match up the US impressive data.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:49 | 1155393 Creed
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I find it illuminating that this list of FACTS is being junked so heavily




not 1700-1800's indian killing or black slavery, no, this shit went on while most of us here were watching it on tv








by SilverRhino
on Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:30


If the USA is bad, China is infinitely worse.

  • Long March
  • Hundred Flowers Campaign
  • Cultural Revolution
  • Great Leap Forward
  • Tibet
  • 60+ MILLION dead
  • One Child Policy : Forced Abortions
  • Government sponsored organlegging
  • Mass suppression of Falun Gong and Christians
  • World leader in executions (more than the rest of the world combined)
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:54 | 1155407 Rodent Freikorps
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The BBC has found the first evidence that China is currently helping Sudan's government militarily in Darfur.


Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:19 | 1155467 King_of_simpletons
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China fights all of its wars by proxy. They are a crooked bunch. They support most terrorist organizations and is like a virus. Then these Chinese come out and ask us if China has ever invaded a country.  The answer is yes, and innumerable to mention.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:15 | 1155580 AnAnonymous
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A pearl. The guy spoke about forgetting the past and one of his apologists found the way to compare the current US military activity to China's activity.

Only in the US...

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:28 | 1155727 Banjo
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Who is the only nation that has dropped nuclear weapons? Twice.

Which nation is currently using depleted uranium munitions in active combat? NB: This is causing a rise in birth defects in Iraq. Also this same nation used depleted uranium in Kosovo/Serbia.

Which nation allows it's citizens to be locked up and have no access to legal counsel or even a civilian court with military tribuanls deemed adequate?


Chapter summary Killing Hope by William Blum


 1. China - 1945 to 1960s: Was Mao Tse-tung just paranoid?
 2. Italy - 1947-1948: Free elections, Hollywood style
 3. Greece - 1947 to early 1950s: From cradle of democracy to client state
 4. The Philippines - 1940s and 1950s: America's oldest colony
 5. Korea - 1945-1953: Was it all that it appeared to be?
 6. Albania - 1949-1953: The proper English spy
 7. Eastern Europe - 1948-1956: Operation Splinter Factor
 8. Germany - 1950s: Everything from juvenile delinquency to terrorism
 9. Iran - 1953: Making it safe for the King of Kings
10. Guatemala - 1953-1954: While the world watched
11. Costa Rica - Mid-1950s: Trying to topple an ally - Part 1
12. Syria - 1956-1957: Purchasing a new government
13. Middle East - 1957-1958: The Eisenhower Doctrine claims another backyard for America
14. Indonesia - 1957-1958: War and pornography
15. Western Europe - 1950s and 1960s: Fronts within fronts within fronts
16. British Guiana - 1953-1964: The CIA's international labor mafia
17. Soviet Union - Late 1940s to 1960s: From spy planes to book publishing
18. Italy - 1950s to 1970s: Supporting the Cardinal's orphans and techno-fascism
19. Vietnam - 1950-1973: The Hearts and Minds Circus
20. Cambodia - 1955-1973: Prince Sihanouk walks the high-wire of neutralism
21. Laos - 1957-1973: L'Armée Clandestine
22. Haiti - 1959-1963: The Marines land, again
23. Guatemala - 1960: One good coup deserves another
24. France/Algeria - 1960s: L'état, c'est la CIA
25. Ecuador - 1960-1963: A text book of dirty tricks
26. The Congo - 1960-1964: The assassination of Patrice Lumumba
27. Brazil - 1961-1964: Introducing the marvelous new world of death squads
28. Peru - 1960-1965: Fort Bragg moves to the jungle
29. Dominican Republic - 1960-1966: Saving democracy from communism by getting rid of democracy
30. Cuba - 1959 to 1980s: The unforgivable revolution
31. Indonesia - 1965: Liquidating President Sukarno … and 500,000 others
    East Timor - 1975: And 200,000 more
32. Ghana - 1966: Kwame Nkrumah steps out of line
33. Uruguay - 1964-1970: Torture -- as American as apple pie
34. Chile - 1964-1973: A hammer and sickle stamped on your child's forehead
35. Greece - 1964-1974: "Fuck your Parliament and your Constitution," said
    the President of the United States
36. Bolivia - 1964-1975: Tracking down Che Guevara in the land of coup d'etat
37. Guatemala - 1962 to 1980s: A less publicized "final solution"
38. Costa Rica - 1970-1971: Trying to topple an ally -- Part 2
39. Iraq - 1972-1975: Covert action should not be confused with missionary work
40. Australia - 1973-1975: Another free election bites the dust
41. Angola - 1975 to 1980s: The Great Powers Poker Game
42. Zaire - 1975-1978: Mobutu and the CIA, a marriage made in heaven
43. Jamaica - 1976-1980: Kissinger's ultimatum
44. Seychelles - 1979-1981: Yet another area of great strategic importance
45. Grenada - 1979-1984: Lying -- one of the few growth industries in Washington
46. Morocco - 1983: A video nasty
47. Suriname - 1982-1984: Once again, the Cuban bogeyman
48. Libya - 1981-1989: Ronald Reagan meets his match
49. Nicaragua - 1981-1990: Destabilization in slow motion
50. Panama - 1969-1991: Double-crossing our drug supplier
51. Bulgaria 1990/Albania 1991: Teaching communists what democracy is all about
52. Iraq - 1990-1991: Desert holocaust
53. Afghanistan - 1979-1992: America's Jihad
54. El Salvador - 1980-1994: Human rights, Washington style
55. Haiti - 1986-1994: Who will rid me of this turbulent priest?
56. The American Empire - 1992 to present
Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:56 | 1156577 gall batter
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Thumbs up, Banjo.  Just lose that apostrophe in it's--"Which nation allows it's citizens to be locked...?" 

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:24 | 1155719 A Man without Q...
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What we think of as modern China is in essence a Han People's empire, which has been spreading its grasp over the country for hundreds if not thousands of years.  There have been countless genocidal episodes, lasting into the modern era with the Uyghurs, Tibetans, and other Turkic or Mongol tribes (i.e. not proper Chinese).  Modern tactics include forced migration and sterilization, as well as the various measures of wiping out the record or previous cultures, especially on the old silk road.  It always staggers me to think of the numbers of deaths in China's history as a result of internal wars or starvation (either deliberate or accidental).

Now, there are lots of ways the US is totally fucked up, and there has been incredible brutality in the founding of the nation, but as I see it, more than 95% of the deaths of native Americans was as a result of the diseases the Europeans brought and most of these occurred before the Europeans had actually reached the areas.  The history of slavery, segregation, all were horrendous, and there's still far too many fucked up angry white men and ghettoized minorities and the obsession with guns is just idiotic.  

However, to look at the weight of history (and you need to look harder in China's case) and to suggest human rights in China are even close to what you have in the US is absurd and the Chinese government continues to push the illusion that greater economic prosperity is the same as greater civil liberties (my guess, they are very worried about a rising educated class pushing for real rights) but don't be fooled for a second.  Even though the US has become more of the totalitarian police state in the last ten years, it's still far closer to the ideals of the founding fathers than China will be if we wait decades.

As for the US commitment to spreading democracy, it's inversely proportional to how much oil the country has, which is why in the resource rich countries they're about equal to China.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:53 | 1156012 Reese Bobby
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And whoever junked this thoughtful comment should save it for comments like this:

I mean would anyone choose a Chinese secret prison over a U.S. secret prison?

Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:27 | 1156903 AnAnonymous
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There have been countless genocidal episodes, lasting into the modern era with the Uyghurs, Tibetans, and other Turkic or Mongol tribes (i.e. not proper Chinese). 


 Another evidence of the inefficiency of the Chinese in this department. How long have they been at this? Thousand of years? Most of those people (and more!) still exist in China as ethnies, speaking and living a different culture than the Bienaren. The US, much more effective in destroying people through ethnocides and acculturation.

Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:49 | 1155533 AnAnonymous
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  • Tibet
  • The funny thing about Tibet and cause why Chinese got so loathed about it by US citizens and co is that Tibet had slavery, torture and kid abduction for temple priest training, reincarnation and all.

    China dismantled slavery in Tibet, ended torture and the kids abuctions still go on.

    Once again, it has to be compared with the US, that nation based on human rights, freedom and all that started as a slaver nation, with institutionalized racial slavery.

    One is big on propaganda, ready to highjack humanity to cover selfish purposes, the other acts.

    When a country like China is able to get a better record on a story like slavery, it tells a lot about the virtue of the free world, the US.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:19 | 1155589 NidStyles
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    Firstly the US didn't start with "Institutionalized Racial Slavery". It started with Chattel Slavery. There were white as well as black slaves and slave owner's. That's more of that Progressively Revisionist BS you are preaching.

    Secondly Tibet had a class system, not outright slavery. It was the same system that existed in China for at least a thousand years.

    You want to promote China, but you seem to ignore that it's coal mines, are dug by Politcal Prisoner's under slave condition's. Those people are never allowed to be free, and they will likely die in chains with black lung.


    Any more inconsistent lies you want to spread?



    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:44 | 1155651 AnAnonymous
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    Actually, if there is a revision, that is chattel slavery.

    There was an institution of racial slavery. White slaves in the US? When? Who? You might want to equalize indentured servitude with slavery but still, in the US, indentured servitude lost steam quickly after the start of the US (after the US independence) while slavery was on the reverse path, that is spiralling upwards.

    So where were your white slaves in the US?

    Tibet had slavery. Characterized as such by Westerners who went to Tibet at the beginning of the 20th century. A class system does not forcefully encompass slavery. But Tibet had.

    I dont need to promote China. It is the US gang spirit. People telling facts contrary to their beloved US must have a hidden agenda and belong to an adverse group. So UScitizenish. 

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:01 | 1155686 Rodent Freikorps
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    You can blame yellow fever and malaria for that.

    After the euros had killed all the indians in the Caribbean, they tried transporting white workers, but euros were dying at a more than 50% clip from disease.

    Blacks, coming from West Africa had a much better survival rate against yellow fever.

    On San Domingo, where Napoleon Bonaparte sent some 60,000 men to topple the rebel black leader Toussaint l'Overture, more than 80% had succumbed to yellow fever - including his brother-in-law and expedition commander General Charles Leclerc.


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 18:44 | 1155860 nmewn
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    "After the euros had killed all the indians in the Caribbean, they tried transporting white workers, but euros were dying at a more than 50% clip from disease."

    Oh come now Freikorps...let's go ahead and drop names...(the europeons love to do it here don't they?) it was the British, like our good pal AnAnonymous here, who sacked, conquered and enslaved their way around the globe...along with the Portugese, Spanish & Dutch. It wasn't that long ago the British gave up their last major fortress in Asia...Hong Kong, that is, a part of mainland China.

    Oh my...sticky wicket what?...LOL.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:13 | 1156469 Rodent Freikorps
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    I can't figure out why people act like slavery sprang full-blown from the brow of the US when it was firmly established in the New World by the European colonial powers, and obviously, continued in the West Indies after the US told the Brits to pound sand.

    We bought Louisiana from the French in 1803.


    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:29 | 1156906 AnAnonymous
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    I can't figure out why people act like slavery sprang full-blown from the brow of the US when it was firmly established in the New World by the European colonial powers, and obviously, continued in the West Indies after the US told the Brits to pound sand.


    It is quite easy though to figure out. The US took their independence from the colonial powers. They broke free. The grip of the colonial powers was also deeply wrapped on the US.  But they broke free. On proclamation of human rights and inalienable rights to freedom.

    The old goose the Europeans did it.  The choice of maintaining slavery and expand it was one of free US citizens, no longer under colonial dominion.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:34 | 1156907 AnAnonymous
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    The US was also in China.


    The British did what they did. Once again,  with your gang style mentality,  you wont find a ganger in me. Sorry to not deliver with that. You can count me to list one by one the doings of the brits.

    Remains that what the US citizens have done, they have done.  And their duplicity is there to show.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 06:48 | 1157053 nmewn
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    "The US was also in China."

    Such a small yelp?...I thought for sure I could extract a larger howl of powdered wig indignation...LOL.

    Maybe if we spoke of the British East India Company and their practice of bringing in opium from their conquered lands in India and addicting 25% of the male Chinese population prompting two opium wars between the British Empire and the Chinese.

    The europeon's had this nasty habit of bopping around the world killing, enslaving and looting the world and sending the booty back home...crony capitalism indeed ;-)

    Here, in America, they (the English) set up the very economic system...including slavery...that we broke away from. America, breaking from your empire, knew slavery was in fact an evil...but it was part of the economic system the English had built up here (we were afterall the kings subjects prior to our war with your ancestors for our indepedence). In time, it took another 600,000 American lives to end what you had built here...if you want to believe that's what our Civil War was about...but we did in fact end it...and we still pay everyday for that system europeons spread across the planet.

    So, the next time you feel compelled to type US into just about every damned post you have ever made here on ZH, you might want to reconsider...because it was your country's pillaging and greed that contributed to hundreds of years of misery for millions of people on every continent on the planet.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 18:32 | 1155831 thefedisscam
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    very well said,

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:09 | 1155643 mdwagner
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    China:  about 100 per 100,000 citizens in prison.

    USA: about 1000 per 100,000 citizens in prison.


    China is not saying that they have no human rights violations in their country.  They're saying that the United States is hypocritical which is true.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 18:21 | 1155805 Hephasteus
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    Ya but the US will provide you with a free attorney to defend you from itself. Of course the attorney won't be on your side because you're not paying but at least you have someone well paid to not defend you from imprisonment.

    Apparently it's reported that you get here through some kind of swirling vortex like a water fall hole. All the holes lead to fucked up countries run by fucked up lying sociopaths with fucked up psychotics keeping control. I guess the moral of the story is only smart response to demands or requests to step through the holes are fuck your holes. Of course you could trying playing a game with bill gates on on an xbox but since he made the game system you're going to get your fucking ass cheated.

    Dear universe. Fuck your hole. Fuck your xbox. Fuck your world. Fuck your authority.

    Oh this place is working to balance everything out which is why imbalances have been steadily growing forever. Oh and the people running it know more than you do which is why it's failed to produce one fucking kingdom that can last for more than a few hundred years even though it continually yaps on and on about 1000 year kingdoms. Welcome to psycho university.

    What's funny is nations follow UCC code laws. And bankers are admitted liars violating full disclosure principles at all times. It's against the law to enter into a legally binding contract with a minor. Yet if you go to work at age 16 you are legal minor and collecting social security from you is illegal. They give you social security numbers when you are born. Still fucking illegal and you don't get any more minor than that.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:41 | 1156182 trav7777
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    The US has a million times more blacks.

    The face of US crime is black and secondarily hispanic.

    Look at the stats, blacks commit roughly 54% of the serious violent crimes annually.  They are the prison population.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:21 | 1156491 mdwagner
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    The United states has 10 times as many prisoners per capita than China, with the majority of them being non-violent victimless crimes.  We are a criminal factory.  We have way more people in prison than the former Soviet Union and Saddam-led Iraq.  Everything is a crime here.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:33 | 1156910 AnAnonymous
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    At least, the Chinese have this right with their racism targetting.

    A sure hit, considering the eternal nature of the US citizens.

    So much resources spent to try and cover what they are through propaganda. Speaking of a waste...

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 02:56 | 1156924 Hephasteus
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    All you have to do is go find some yellow people or some green people or some orange people. Beat them, make them slaves and you'll get your next 54 percent of violent criminal offenders.

    Seriously just find some cop somewhere without his partner and tazer him to knock out his radio. Then beat him and whip him. He'll be a violent criminal offender in no time. Drag him out in the woods and rape his children.

    But cops are easy. Shoot one of his fellow officers in the head right in front of him. Instantly violent. Hell get 12 people to phone the police station and tell him what a big giant dirt bag cops are. He'll be tazering grandma and beating her with a nightstick for asking why he pulled her over.

    So since we didn't drag blacks here with giant pay packages and corporate assisted housing and moving costs. I just can't for the fucking life of me figure out why they are violent and criminal. Something has to make sense. And yet somehow someway a few people get rewarded for the suffering of millions or thousands or hundred of thousands. I'm sure all the slavery and beating was instantly paid back in one of those touching scenes of the color purple that made oprah millions of dollars. Oh wait white people who had NOTHING TO DO WITH the whole thing also made huge bank off that.

    So not a very brilliant analysis of the dynamics of the situation.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:54 | 1156814 Clancy
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    Mmm, yes. All of them travesties of human rights. Especially the Long March and the Hundred Flowers Campaign. But did you consider:

    • Hoover Dam
    • The Louisiana Purchase
    • The Spirit of St. Louis
    • The Transcontinental Railroad
    • The Little Rascals
    • Picadilly Circus
    • Kayne West
    ? Clearly the US has just as much to answer for as China does.  Just look how long that list historical looking bullshit is.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:17 | 1155132 SilverRhino
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    37 junks above .... some of you fuckers must HATE the fact that MODERN China is drenched in blood far worse than Americans have done in the last 60 years.  


    • Long March
    • Hundred Flowers Campaign
    • Cultural Revolution
    • Great Leap Forward
    • Tibet
    • 60+ MILLION dead
    • One Child Policy : Forced Abortions
    • Government sponsored organlegging
    • Mass suppression of Falun Gong and Christians
    • World leader in executions (more than the rest of the world combined)


    • Killed upwards of a million Chinese in the Korean War.
    • Killed 3 million in Vietnam
    • Killed a roughly million during the Iraq war and occupation. [open to debate, bring your # and sources if you have the balls]

     Who is worse again?  

    And go silver you fucking bitches!

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:23 | 1156494 mdwagner
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    Who cares who is worse?  Is China saying we're worse than they are or that we're not the perfect model of human rights that we pretend to be?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:03 | 1155262 zen0
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    Did you know the Cherokee have jewish roots? Google it. Lots of information.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:17 | 1155316 Creed
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    cherokees are jewish? lolol


    how did the jews get over here?


    maybe that explains why the cherokee are so damn smart in comparison to other north american injuns?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:41 | 1155520 robobbob
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    DNA testing indicates that the original eastern north american natives may have been pre ice age european related from 18K years ago when world ocean levels were lower. more investigation needed into the subject, but.....

    not an acceptable PC line of inquiry at this time.

    completely ruins the current narrative.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:08 | 1155287 Creed
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    maybe you should check the history of your own country



    because of the white mans arrival in north America the American indians have been given a choice between living like savages or living like civilised people

    I'm American indian and I approve this message

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:02 | 1155070 Twindrives
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    This is bullish for USD and U.S Treasuries.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:25 | 1155137 duncecap rack
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    The S&P is on for a moon shot tomorrow as well.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:52 | 1155223 Montgomery Burns
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    I hope so. I want to buy more vxx.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:42 | 1156551 Shell Game
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    The widow-maker is dead, long live the widow-maker..

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:27 | 1155136 Manthong
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    "The U.S. regards itself as "the beacon of democracy." However, its democracy is largely based on money, the report said."

    They are right about that.. otherwise there wouldn't be earmarks, PACs and 7 zillion lobbyists for every legislator. 


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:17 | 1155306 Creed
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    China owes it's existence and economy to the USA :)

    and it knows it

    it's kind of hard to be so xenophobic & racist when you know you're seconds fiddle, but they manage

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:49 | 1155538 AnAnonymous
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    it's kind of hard to be so xenophobic & racist when you know you're seconds fiddle, but they manage


    They have still a long road to go to reach the excellency of the US in those departments.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:20 | 1155602 NidStyles
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    Yeah, we're so racist and xenophobic here after all. Not that the president isn't a black guy from Kenya or anything..

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:55 | 1155677 AnAnonymous
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    Yeah, we're so racist and xenophobic here after all. Not that the president isn't a black guy from Kenya or anything..


    The Obama experience is quite hard for the US citizens. Once again, as US citizens can not depict as they are, they provided the evidences of their own duplicity once again.

    The black POTUS only proved one thing: that a US negro, even when reaching the highest position in the US, is still to be considered as an alien, a foreign bit that does not belong to the US.

    This guy is  told to be a Muslim, a Kenyan born, a Marxist, an anti colonialist etc everything save a US citizen. He is still not one of them, even though his actions as a US president tag him as your typical US citizen president.

    Poor pick once again, and when will the US citizen learn their lessons? 

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:25 | 1155723 schadenfreude
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    You bought Wall Street by electing him. All the stupid propaganda about his origin, religion, etc.. just shows you are influenced by your TV.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 18:48 | 1155867 nmewn
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    "The black POTUS only proved one thing: that a US negro, even when reaching the highest position in the US, is still to be considered as an alien, a foreign bit that does not belong to the US."

    And the first black Prime Minister in the UK was...?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:42 | 1156544 TBT or not TBT
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    The charcaterization of Obama as a "US negro" is quite a stretch, as his black ancestry shared nothing of the slavery and racism US blacks experienced.   His deadbeat loser dad was from Kenya and his mother was an antiamerican white american.  His white american mother and white american grandparents mostly raised him, mostly in Hawaii, mostly out of contact with "US black culture".    Obama's US black cultural identity is in fact one he put on well after reaching adulthood, as a path to political influence.  The choice to join a black church was a path recommended to him to get cred, contacts, and influence as a "community organizer" in Chicago.    He pulled that off well enough to gather 96 percent of the black vote in the 2008 election, but what he supposedly shares of the experience of US blacks is a sham.   

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 04:02 | 1156953 AnAnonymous
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    It depicts the US as a factor of backwardness.  200 years of US negro training in US civilization and a negro whose father was or is a savage negro from Africa is the one becoming the US president.

    Never think the worse is achieved when the US is still in  the room. No  matter how scrappy the original product, the US can and will worsen it. 

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 19:18 | 1155909 tmosley
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    This president is the same as any other in recent memory.

    You do the same thing you've always done, you will get the same thing you always got.  Too bad we didn't learn that prior to 1913.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:12 | 1155296 Creed
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    there are no social services in China

    you save or you die

    American poor have plasma tv's and food stamps

    Chinese poor?

    Human rights? I saw the video of the Chinee soldiers shooting down Tibetans trying to escape over the Himalayas. Fuck China.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:46 | 1155351 ThisIsBob
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    Not a question of those morons talking, more a question of our morons shutting up.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:35 | 1155514 sunny
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    Hello pot, this is the kettle, you're black.


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:59 | 1155764 ATG
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    It was reported the USA, one fifth the population of China, has more people in prison than China

    It was reported 97% of all court cases are not tried by Jury per the Constitution, but plea bargained with equal conviction rates

    It was reported by the Attorney General that even if Kahlid Sheik Mohamad were found innocent in NYC, he would not be released

    The current President ran with a promise to end the endless wars and close Gitmo

    Now he claims to have cut more from the budget than any other President in History

    It was reported the USA uses foreign rendition sites to torture civilians

    It was reported Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld were acused of war crimes by the International Red Cross

    It was reported the Patriot Act exempts Telcom companies and US Government from violating Constitutional Rights

    It was reported Martin Armstrong was held many years without a trial, then beaten up in prison and held in solitary confinement until he plea bargained, then sentenced to time on top of what he had already served without trial, and this was upheld by Sonia Sotomayor

    It was reported vaccine companies were held harmless from toxic lethal side effects

    It was reported while China terrorized Tibet and backs up Iran with Russia in the Shanghai Pact, the USA bombed, colonized, invaded, militarized or occupied Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Panama and other countries with Special Ops and Military equipment including Depleted Uranium, causing millions of birth defects, deaths or mutations on both sides

    It was reported 0Care would not save money, but cost trillions more in bureaucracy

    It was reported that Congress just saved America by cutting the budget 1%

    It was reported banks stole taxpayer monies by the trillions

    So people in increasing numbers tuned in to see Pia Toscano get booted off American Idol

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:42 | 1156190 trav7777
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    maybe China will be generous and take 50% of our black population.

    Our crime rate would decline literally by 25% and theirs would go vertical.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 21:59 | 1156432 thefatasswilly
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    Thankfully, we Chinese are racist enough to see through the bullshit propaganda put out by the American media about "equality."

    You are the ones who imported them for slave labor, so you'll have to live with the consequences, round eye :)

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:03 | 1156442 Rodent Freikorps
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    I thought you were dead.


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:15 | 1156478 thefatasswilly
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    Thank you for proving, once again, that what you think means jack shit.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:24 | 1156496 Rodent Freikorps
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    Good to know some things don't change.

    Pushed any slave workers off the roof at Foxconn lately?

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:01 | 1156717 Phaethon
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    Well, American Blacks aren't emigrating to China but Africans definitely are!  Their numbers in Guangzhou are growing by over 30% annually and have been for years.  Ditto elsewhere.  They will come to work in the factories that the aging Chinese population will vacate in the coming years and decades.  China will either have to immediately return to poverty or accept this as the way to maintain their recent economic gains.  A business model predicated upon cheap labor has certain implications in a country with such a low birth rate.


    Enjoy the growing diversity in China!  It'll increasingly be your greatest strength just like it's ours here in the US...

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:01 | 1156721 thefatasswilly
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    Luckily for we Chinese, we are eternally, culturally, and historically racist.

    Do you realize how many white Americans see Africans as equals? This sort of idiocy will never occur in the middle kingdom.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 00:55 | 1156802 Phaethon
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    I'm not saying anyone necessarily knows where it can go.  But fossils fuels can move a lot of people really fast.  If the government of China decides to do this to the people, it doesn't matter what they think.  Same as here in the US.  When did we get to vote if we wanted to open our borders to the Third World or not?  It was decided for us and we're supposed to shut the hell up about it.  There are lots of American Whites who fool themselves into thinking they're convinced Blacks and Whites are equal, but looking at actions instead of words, where they live and whom they date instead of what they say, you'll see very few really think this.  I guess humanity is a tribal species after all.  But at the end of the day, the diversity was still forced on people, whether they wanted it or not.  I'm not saying this will continue to happen in China, or happen to the extent it has here, but it's started...


    I wouldn't rest too comfortably on the idea that the Chinese are immune to the same fate of longterm inter-ethnic battles for short term economic gain like the US foisted on itself.  And besides, I mean, from what I've seen, Asian girls are pretty keen on non-Asian guys.


    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 01:35 | 1156858 thefatasswilly
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    You have a gross misunderstanding of Chinese culture.

    I'll tackle just a small part of your statements.

    From what I have seen, the only Asian girls who are into non-Asian guys are . . . the ugly ones. They themselves are ugly, so they seek to mate with outsiders, in an effort to create beautiful mixed babies.

    This works in their favor, because white guys are, for some strange reason, into very, very ugly Asian women. Just look at Sandra Oh. Hideous.

    They highest quality Asian women still go for the highest quality men, which are all Asian.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 01:56 | 1156877 Phaethon
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    Let's just go off the assumption that your claim is correct that Chinese culture makes only the ugly girls consider non-Asian men attractive.  I believe this premise is largely true, and I'm the last person who will need to be convinced that people are tribal and prefer their own kind.  In the U.S., it's almost exclusively really fat White women with no other options who go for the Black guys (and the men from our _new_ Mexican underclass too).  Okay so you say it's the Asian girls who can't get Asian guys who go for outsiders too. So what?  Does that mean it doesn't happen or that the children are somehow willed away?  Will the fact that that the women are ugly mean it'll happen less as the number of Africans in China increases?  What I'm getting at is you didn't address the point, but instead stated something irrelevant and totally obvious.


    Two more thoughts: a) it's mostly the White men without other options who go for the Asian girls and b) your claim that the highest quality men are Asian is pathetic and laughable.  Here I am trying to point out facts to you and you wag your (little) dick around about how great you are...  But we all have fantasies and pretenses to indulge I guess.

    Mon, 04/11/2011 - 23:53 | 1160460 thefatasswilly
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    I had already addressed your point about Africans in China in my previous post, in which I stated that Chinese are, by culture, incredibly racist, and thus the African population will not be a problem.

    I did not feel the need to repeat myself because I gave your intellect the benefit of the doubt, which I now see was a mistake. You have proven your own inferiority via your inability to read comprehensively, and have thus proven my point about Asian superiority.

    Lastly, I find it highly amusing that white men are so obsessed with Asian dicks. I have never seen so much interest in a subject.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 22:29 | 1156515 dogbreath
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    go to china and visit the entertainment districts where there are alot of foriegners of all kinds.  it is a surprise and then no surprise who the drug dealers are, they're just not american.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 12:56 | 1155048 frenchie
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    do as i say, not as i do


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:57 | 1155251 duncecap rack
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    Exactly. What would the U.S. say about another country doing the things they do. If another country had an offshore torture centre that they kidnapped people all over the world to populate there would be some howling going on. Such a country might even get a secutity council sanctioned whooping.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 12:59 | 1155060 israhole
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    I don't think it's fair China accuses us of pursuing hegemony under the pretext of human rights.  

    Don't they know the US is run by, and for sole benefit of Israel?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:11 | 1155093 Dolar in a vortex
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    I'm looking forward to your first post of value. Yes, I junked you.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:48 | 1155214 theopco
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    I wouldn't hold my breath

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:21 | 1156106 nuscorb
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    How about both the US and Israel are run into the ground for the sole benefit of a small bunch of people, just like every other country?

    Sadly this doesn't even do these people any good, as all the riches in the world can't fill the void they feel inside.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:01 | 1155067 tmosley
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    He who has the gold, makes the rules.

    Do you have any gold, America?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:20 | 1155119 cossack55
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    Do you agree, T, that this is absolute proof that the Chinese Goobermint reads and understands ZH comments section on every ZH post?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:38 | 1155154 Mark McGoldrick
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    Speaking of violence and lawlessness in America....

    Two weeks ago, you (tmosley - ZH's most passionate anarcho-capitalist/libertarian) posted a series of comments that suggested America should use Somalia as a model for its society, where an indefinite number of fully armed gangs rule the country.

    I just wanted you to know that I've had two weeks to think about it, and I still think it's the most ridiculous idea ever posted on this website.

    While these accusations by China are true, there are places in the world far, far worse than America - like Somalia. 

    When you think of ideologies proffered by goofy doomer libertarians and anarcho-capitalists, think Somalia.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1155192 tmosley
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    You just keep on a-lyin' there, sport.

    I proposed changes to that system which would both reduce violence and allow it to fit with our modern lifestyle.

    Your irrational hatred of those who only want freedom has bent your worldview to such an extent that you can neither think logically, nor understand written arguments as presented.  

    So yeah, go fuck yourself, you lying shit.

    Edit: everyone should read my comments in that thread.  Pure gold.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:47 | 1155205 Mark McGoldrick
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    You want to reduce violence by modeling the United States after Somalia?

    And, AND you think Somalia represents a "modern" society that can handle the dynamics of intertwined, muti-trillion dollar economies?


    anarcho-capitalists/libertarians are funny.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:53 | 1155226 LowProfile
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    Fact is Somalia is better off now than it was before.

    Is it ideal?  Hell no.

    But NO GOVERNEMENT is better than BAD GOVERNEMENT, and bad government is what Somalia had prior.

    BTW, you'll communicate much better with that statist dick out of your mouth...

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:36 | 1155348 Ruffcut
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    Good government? Funny shit dar good buddy.

    It is all about and always has been, the money flow and resources.

    The US has the best government that money can buy. Bankers even taught it how to leverage it into the abyss.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 17:29 | 1155730 Malachi Constant
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    This comment is equal to 1 Unjunk.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:00 | 1155240 tmosley
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    You sound just like a Royalist from the 1700's when looking at Democracy in America.  

    "You want to reduce violence by modeling your country after the political system used by Pirates (the first set of people to use democracy in modern times)?"  They laughed and laughed, until their people saw the economic prosperity that followed, and compared that to their own slavery, and promptly started cutting off said laughing royalist's heads.

    You need to learn how to read, you stupid shit.  I said it needs to be MODIFIED, and I laid out exactly how to modify it to fit modern economies.  

    If you have been thinking about this for two weeks, you certainly haven't been thinking very hard.

    If Anarchcapitalists and libertarians are funny, your kind, whatever you want to call yourselves, are deadly.  

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:28 | 1155611 NidStyles
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    More like multi-trillion dollar inflated ego's. The GDP in proportion to debt and the M3 values have barely moved in over 200 years.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:07 | 1155440 rack
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    The only thing your proposal will guarantee is an unjust society ruled by warlords Afghanistan is a good example .

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:14 | 1155455 tmosley
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    I don't think you read my proposal.

    How can warlords rule when everyone is armed?  You really think the only thing standing between us and Mad Max is the GOVERNMENT?

    How can warlords rule when repeated use of aggressive force destroys your standing within civil society?  "Warlords" become outlaws very quickly under my proposal, and outlaws are protected only by their own power, which is rarely enough against someone determined to take revenge.  Hell, such people probably wouldn't even be allowed to leave their own property, as owners of roads wouldn't want outlaws using their property.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:50 | 1156209 trav7777
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    sorry, did I say you were an idiot?

    You are a FUCKING idiot.

    That is probably the DUMBEST thing I have ever heard.

    The thing standing between us and madmax is the INHERENT social civilization in certain portions of our population.

    You are just so goddamned dumb that I doubt you can even grasp such a concept. 

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 20:47 | 1156199 trav7777
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    mosely-claven, your posts on that thread were pure shit.

    Like almost everything you write; you are TRULY a world-class idiot.

    If we want a reduction in violence, we need to address the non-asian, and nonwhite populations' abundance in our society. 

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:43 | 1155202 Burnbright
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    Straw men are very easy to push over, aren't they?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:50 | 1155217 LowProfile
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    Dupe, ZH comment system sucks ass!

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:37 | 1155350 Ruffcut
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    You push the save button once. Not twice. Seems simple enuff, no?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:51 | 1155219 LowProfile
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    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:14 | 1155304 D1eeeeeNAHHHHH
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    Mark, America of 20, 30 and 100 years ago was so much better than it is now.  Real change starts with real people who would refuse to be corrupted.  Kennedy is a great example of this.  I'll say Paul Wellstone as well, even though I didn't agree with most of his views.  Both died fighting for what they believed in.  Kennedy for trying to fight corruption of the financial crime syndicates and Wellstone for fighting the Patriot Act.  For those who don't know, Wellstone died shortly after he was the only one to vote against the Patriot Act.  He mysteriously died in a plane crash.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 14:54 | 1155408 Creed
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    Wellstone for fighting the Patriot Act.  For those who don't know, Wellstone died shortly after he was the only one to vote against the Patriot Act.  He mysteriously died in a plane crash.



    holy shit

    the only guy to vote against that abortion of American ideals? oh man, he's a hero

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:15 | 1155457 tmosley
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    Eh?  Pretty sure Ron Paul voted against it as well.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:32 | 1155633 ryan
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    I believe he is referring to the senate, which did have one "nay" vote. However, it appears Wellstone voted "Yea", so I am somewhat confused by the statement.

    HR 3162



    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:08 | 1155086 themiestro
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    Persuing it?  Hell, I thought we were already there.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:08 | 1155087 Twindrives
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    The U.S. government does have the distinction of murdering tens of thousands of native American men, women, and children in the 1800's.   And let's see.....incarcerating Japanese citizens in concentration camps during WW2........and burning a couple of hundred Texas men, women, and children to death at Waco Texas using U.S. military equipment to do so........and let's see, shooting Randy Weaver's wife, kids, and dog at Ruby Ridge........I think the Chinese might be on to something here.......      

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:28 | 1155141 cossack55
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    You forgot the torture (including waterboarding) and butchering of 100s of thousands of Hawaiians for the Dole family.  Followed by the torture and butchering of 100s of thousands of Phillipinos and the stab in the back of the Koreans for Japan and......and that is just spreading Anglo-Saxon (Teuton) democracy to the "little asian barbarians" by that good ole' Rough Rider and fraud, TR. 



    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:54 | 1155237 zaknick
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    What would you call the fact that the blue blood CIA/banksters creaTed the black market known as the War on Drugs (one huge psyop), have always been the biggest drug traffickers in southeast asi (later moved to Afghanistan) and South America? While 95% of "drug offenders" (in Orwell speak) in prison (coneviently providing slave wages labor pool) are minorities (restricting these ethnic groups reproductive human rights in true American eugenicist tradition) when the majority of the country is white and drug use and traffic is about the same throughout all ethnic groups.

    What about the banksters dismantling and offshoring the American economy, condemning all of you to poverty, political unrest and a new Nazi era (brought to you by the same banksters who brought you Hitler and the Faux News psyop)?

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 15:11 | 1155450 cossack55
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    Well, I would call it ...

    Amerika   Land of the Fee and Home of the Slave 


    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 16:33 | 1155634 NidStyles
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    I would say you are Progressivist plant, and only trying to sound like like you care to take a jab at the Republican's on this one.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:38 | 1155181 Luke 21
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    Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. -The Words of God in the flesh

    I do not think it takes alot of searching to realize who has the speck in their eye and who has the log. For all you clones who think China is so cool I have news for you China has a freaking tree in their eye.

    Sun, 04/10/2011 - 13:52 | 1155230 cossack55
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    I'm totatally ambivalent about China. I also know I'm tired of having the US Gov up my ass.

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