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China Proposes To Cut Two Thirds Of Its $3 Trillion In USD Holdings

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All those who were hoping global stock markets would surge tomorrow based on a ridiculous rumor that China would revalue the CNY by 10% will have to wait. Instead, China has decided to serve the world another surprise. Following last week's announcement by PBoC Governor Zhou (Where's Waldo) Xiaochuan that the country's excessive stockpile of USD reserves has to be urgently diversified, today we get a sense of just how big the upcoming Chinese defection from the "buy US debt" Nash equilibrium will be. Not surprisingly, China appears to be getting ready to cut its USD reserves by roughly the amount of dollars that was recently printed by the Fed, or $2 trilion or so. And to think that this comes just as news that the Japanese pension fund will soon be dumping who knows what. So, once again, how about that "end of QE" again?

From Xinhua:

China's foreign exchange reserves increased by 197.4 billion U.S. dollars in the first three months of this year to 3.04 trillion U.S. dollars by the end of March.

Xia Bin, a member of the monetary policy committee of the central bank, said on Tuesday that 1 trillion U.S. dollars would be sufficient. He added that China should invest its foreign exchange reserves more strategically, using them to acquire resources and technology needed for the real economy.

And as if the public sector making it all too clear what is about to happen was not enough, here is the private one as well:

China should reduce its excessive foreign exchange reserves and further diversify its holdings, Tang Shuangning, chairman of China Everbright Group, said on Saturday.

The amount of foreign exchange reserves should be restricted to between 800 billion to 1.3 trillion U.S. dollars, Tang told a forum in Beijing, saying that the current reserve amount is too high.

Tang's remarks echoed the stance of Zhou Xiaochuan, governor of China's central bank, who said on Monday that China's foreign exchange reserves "exceed our reasonable requirement" and that the government should upgrade and diversify its foreign exchange management using the excessive reserves.

Tang also said that China should further diversify its foreign exchange holdings. He suggested five channels for using the reserves, including replenishing state-owned capital in key sectors and enterprises, purchasing strategic resources, expanding overseas investment, issuing foreign bonds and improving national welfare in areas like education and health.

However, these strategies can only treat the symptoms but not the root cause, he said, noting that the key is to reform the mechanism of how the reserves are generated and managed.

The last sentence says it all. While China is certainly tired of recycling US Dollars, it still has no viable alternative, especially as long as its own currency is relegated to the C-grade of not even SDR-backing currencies. But that will all change very soon. Once the push for broad Chinese currency acceptance is in play, the CNY and the USD will be unpegged, promptly followed by China dumping the bulk of its USD exposure, and also sending the world a message that US debt is no longer a viable investment opportunity. In fact, we are confident that the reval is a likely a key preceding step to any strategic decision vis-a-vis US FX exposure (read bond purchasing/selling intentions). As such, all those Americans pushing China to revalue, may want to consider that such an action could well guarantee hyperinflation, once the Fed is stuck as being the only buyer of US debt.


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Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:11 | 1200771 Pool Shark
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Ben Bernanke: "To infinity, and beyond!"

 (Better get the Bureau of Printing and Engraving working on those Zimbabwe-style Trillion-Dollar FRN's)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:44 | 1200872 Careless Whisper
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Do you think the Bureau of Printing and Engraving, the US Treasury, or the privately owned banking cartel Federal Reserve Bank, have any respect for our currency? Oh, you do? Well then how do you explain this:


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:54 | 1200907 Coast Watcher
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Your point? The Treasury shreds old money all the time and replaces it with new bills. The average lifespan of a dollar bill is only 18-24 months. One reason why replacing them all with dollar coins makes so much sense.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:19 | 1200981 RichyRoo
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you seem to be mistaking the lifespan of a physical FRN with that of T-Bills/Notes, which sounds like troll talk to me.



notice how 'physical FRN' just became part of the ontology in diametric opposition to physical PM...bitchez

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:44 | 1201056 Coast Watcher
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Did you bother to read CW's post or go to the link he posted, or are you just talking trash through your hat again? He made specific reference to currency, not T-Bills or Notes, and linked to a site that sells shredded currency by the bag. So who's trolling?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:09 | 1201134 DosZap
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On top of T's their holding that many UDS's?.

I expect w/out saying it, that money is in the form of T Bills,dumping them(cashing out) is the same as cutting USD holdings.

Either way it's a frigging Black Swan.

Look for the PM's top take flight next week in earnest.

If any fools continue to hold a majority of USD's in their portfolios, they deserve whats coming.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:57 | 1201352 Haywood Jablowme
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Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:54 | 1201500 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ DosZap,

Just what I was wondering too, pardner.  Do we and Alice get to watch silver and gold go to the moon this coming week?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:20 | 1201557 narapoiddyslexia
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Maybe you can watch pm's go to the moon, because -

"When the pie is shrinking, people fight over crumbs."

At the 22:37 mark, at this link - watch the whole thing -

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:48 | 1201592 TN Jed
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Thank you! John's Hopkins had taken this link down.  Thought I had lost this excellent presentation.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 18:19 | 1201735 JethroBodien
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I'm going to ask a question everyone has been wondering about. Where art though HarryWanger?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:43 | 1201881 tmosley
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Died of autoerotic asphyxiation.  Tied the noose to a silver bar, and it kept rising.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 03:38 | 1202559 herewego...
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Asia has pushed Silver to a peak of $49.5.

It's your turn.


Mon, 04/25/2011 - 09:01 | 1203120 FEDbuster
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America your credit card has been declined, please take card from customer and cut it up in front of them.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 18:19 | 1201736 JethroBodien
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I'm going to ask a question everyone has been wondering about. Where art though HarryWanger?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:43 | 1201888 New_Meat
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and you did it again! ;-)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:27 | 1201861 grady8
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Thanks for the great link. He should run for president.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:29 | 1202083 Temporalist
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Ben Franklinesque?  Without the racoon hat.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:59 | 1201909 FreedomGuy
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I watched the whole damn thing because I couldn't stop. Exactly what I've believed from soup to nuts. Makes you wonder why guys like him are not in government or strong advisory roles. Thanks for the link.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:30 | 1202086 Temporalist
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Who the crazy gold people be in office?  You must not know your propaganda.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:24 | 1201559 doggings
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it is in fact the very Black swan chosen to theme this dollar collapse video on.

so we shall see. 


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 22:08 | 1202127 FEDbuster
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I think I just heard "the fat lady" clearing her throat.  The Bernak's hemorrhoids must be flaring up this weekend!

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 02:29 | 1202469 thames222
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I'd bet he has herpes, or even crabs--word on the street is he's actually a total womanizer and dirtbag outside of the job too...go figure

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 22:14 | 1202137 Michael
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Here's a good visual of what the collapse looks like.

Wall Street + Federal Reserve Corporation Theft = World Economic Collapse

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:59 | 1202018 Troll Magnet
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that's bullshit.  nobody deserves what's coming when the dollar collapses.  hell, nobody deserves what's happening right now or what's been going on the last 30, 40 years.  the only ones who deserve to live the rest of their lives in misery are TPTB who caused all this shit.  but as always they will end up being alright - or even better off - while the innocent albeit ignorant mass suffers.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 22:42 | 1202172 johnnynaps
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I beg to differ. The last 10 days, 3 people cut line in front of me, 4 old dinosaurs cut me off and the IRS made a mistake on my audit that isn't worth arguing. This country deserves every catastrophe imaginable. I've always been fond of survival of the fitest......I just hope it comes soon cause I can't take half this shitty population anymore!

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 07:14 | 1202913 onthesquare
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"survival of the fittest" Spenser not Darwin.

When every I see a touring bus at my favourite fast food mall I just drive on past. Old people in a group are worse than teenagers.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:12 | 1201942 Libertarian777
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although the Fed notes M0 as currency in circulation technically shredded FRNs are not shredded currency. They are Federal Reserve NOTES (look on the bill itself, it states 'Federal Reserve Note').

I'm still trying to muddle through 'Theory of Money and Credit' by Mises, but there is actually a difference between a $1 Federal Reserve Note (which is a debt claim on a debt claim... ie. if you went to the Fed with your green $$$ they would swap it out for a pink piece of paper (T-bill or possibly even a T-Bond).

However a $1 coin on the other hand is actually a token (or money substitute). Again its not money itself, but it is legal tender. However it is NOT backed by T-bills.

For all practical purposes the distinction will be lost by most people, the question you should always ask yourself is...

what is the difference between a $1 American Silver Eagle, $1 coin, $1 FRN, 4 pre-1965 quarters, 2 pre-1965 half-dollars? Are they all '$1'?

This is what the government will have you believe. (Try buying a Silver Eagle from the US Mint for $1).

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 07:18 | 1202928 onthesquare
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Didn't JFK try to introduce the Federal Reserve Note back in 63?

Someone did not think much of that idea.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:37 | 1201326 Manthong
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I wonder if that stuff would make effective packing fillre for the innovative PM dealer?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:27 | 1201450 Careless Whisper
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are you in marketing? that's brilliant.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:33 | 1202242 Manthong
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Thank you, yes I am.

And I also would suggest including a small clear plastic vial to use as a souvenier display piece (with dealer logo, of course) for the shredded fiat and a promotion to feature the packing as a bonus to the customer. I sure wouldn't mind having one to keep with my stash.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:24 | 1201860 JB
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there's a guy on Ebay selling Buffalos, packaged with 100,000,000 dollar Zimbabwe notes.

Wed, 05/25/2011 - 04:56 | 1308188 Monedas
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Notice how "physical FRN" is part of the "monetary oncology" ... my little Bitchez ? Monedas 2011 In his political satire Monedas strives to conform to the standards of fairness and decency established by the Democrat party during the Reagan/Bush years ! Fuck Barack Hussein Obama !

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:43 | 1201335 just a dad
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What I believe this fine gentleman is trying to tell you is the following:

The Treasury is no longer shredding bills at the pace they once did, and due to that fact, there are no 'shredded' bags of currency available.

Now put on your thinking cap, and ask yourself "Why isn't the Treasury shredding bills like they used to"? 

Here's another hint:  Why did they put a sudden stop to the printing of the new $100 bill? It sure as hell was not due to the reason that was given to us useless eaters.

Hmmmm...  is it possible that there just MAY be a chance that they know something we can only speculate on ?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:11 | 1201513 Rick64
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 Interesting, but what is your proof other than they are out of stock? How much do they usually sell per yr.? When did they run out and how long has it been? If you have some facts to back this up please post them.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:15 | 1201626 Great Dane
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I read somewhere that the new 100's were actually printed with some actual gold ink (liberty bell perhaps), however the printer has issues.  that could theoretically back the dollar with real gold overnight. hmmmm.....

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:43 | 1202252 bankonzhongguo
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Just a corollary, when we deploy to far away lands and want to bribe somebody, its a ton of fun to land a C130 on some steppe and off-load pallets of US currency.  I would hazard to guess that all those shredded 100s are going to buy influence elsewhere.  The Fed writes it off and the Company drops it like baseball cards over some desert.  Funny how a US citizen can work their whole life for a measly $100,000 in the bank, and an antiquity minded tribal leader with 4 wives can sit in a cave and be handed $10 million for a year's worth of fake allegiance to the flag.  Blow-back happens in the US too.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 01:05 | 1202328 Joseph Jones
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Darn straight!  Democracy, and freedom, both at work!  This is what people long for all over the world, to be like us!  To have what we have: no pot to piss in. 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:42 | 1201477 Don Keot
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Coins are made by the US Treasury, FRN's are printed by the Fed.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:59 | 1201510 DoChenRollingBearing
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I THINK that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing does the actual printing of FRNs.  It wold be interesting to know the interaction of the FED and that Bureau.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:42 | 1201670 faustian bargain
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I think the Fed orders and 'buys' the FRN's from the bureau for a nominal fee.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:50 | 1201894 BrobamaReds
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3 trillion?  That can't be good.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:11 | 1200965 LeBalance
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"have any respect for OUR currency?"

Since it says at the top of the bill that it is a Federal Reserve Note (ownership established) and the Fed is a private bank (you do not own it), it is definitely not "your" currency.

It belongs to the Federal Reserve Bank.

Your misplaced emotional appeal / attack is interesting.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:20 | 1201158 Sudden Debt
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But the debt is government owned.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:32 | 1201184 disabledvet
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how about "Sudden Debt?"

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:50 | 1201350 Al Gorerhythm
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How about "Sudden Settlement"?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:23 | 1201426 10kby2k
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How about "sudden death" or "sudden impact<<<clint film"

Is this a mainstream story?  Bond futures down 5 points?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:14 | 1201274 Boscovius
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I'd make a mattress out of that shit and hide my silver under it.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1201317 nabi
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Hey, that's a good idea! :-)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:08 | 1201395 surfersd
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Next OPEC will demand all payments in Euros. The Bear is ready to talk to Congress.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:15 | 1201543 DoChenRollingBearing
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Just went and saw your Bear production surfersd.  Excellent!  Well done!

+ $122 (extra credit for Brent)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 22:10 | 1202129 bulldung
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The Bear makes me laugh to tears,thanks.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 00:23 | 1202293 mojine
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Put it on YouTube to get views.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 01:06 | 1202338 Joseph Jones
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Isn't that when the average US citizen says we must annex Saudi Arabia and most of Opec?  Would the God-forsaken Al Saud family risk that? 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:49 | 1201494 JW n FL
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Fall of the Republic HQ full length version

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:00 | 1201512 SmittyinLA
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In a month that same bag of shredded cash will cost you $90

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:08 | 1201931 MayIMommaDogFac...
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If you have a really good credit score you can also get a large metal wheel to run on and if you're lucky some habitrail tubes to crawl through. 

The dream of homeownership-for-all is just taking on new forms. 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:03 | 1201924 tired1
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Does this mke sense now?


Japanese pair arrested in Italy with US bonds worth $134 billion

Italian prosecutors were trying to establish yesterday whether US bonds with a face value of $134 billion seized from two alleged smugglers were real or counterfeit.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:05 | 1202036 ziggy59
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2 yr old article..

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:28 | 1202239 e_goldstein
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so a guy walks into a bar,

and says ouch.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 16:51 | 1521954 Hremas
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Just read most of your blog there.

Much of it over my head. I am more of a trader, so when I talk of a deflation I am talking of a short term scare. Again.

My tendency to think of a near term deflation is due to the fact that, "the public is usually wrong". My impression is that the public expects inflation. My brother-in-law remarked to me some time back that "we need inflation". He is not a person who is investment/economics inclined. And the inflationist talk seems wild on the gold sites and ZH.

My brother in law probably represents the "popular demand" that you call the political will. However, in the shorter term the Tea Party and the gold/less govt. crowd is also a political fact. The Tea party mentality seems to have gained traction and will precipitate the next deflationary crisis. This make take a couple years or so to play out. In the meantime, the dollar may strengthen, the world economys may be slowed, natural resource prices may decline, etc...

It will probably be that the little gold buyers are flushed out, as usually happens in markets.

I have my physical. Land, silver, water and food. It is the desire to protect my saving/grow my savings that leads me to concentrate shorter term as a trader. For, as they say, in the long run we are all dead.

Good stuff on your site. trading megadroid

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:46 | 1200888 Creed
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 As such, all those Americans pushing China to revalue, may want to consider that such an action could well guarantee hyperinflation, once the Fed is stuck as being the only buyer of US debt.




Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:23 | 1201162 Missiondweller
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Exactly. What would be the effect of everything at Walmart doubling in price because the products are made in China and China revalues the yuan/reminmbi?


Instant inflation during a period of high unemployment and stagnant wages. Result is massive stagflation.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:12 | 1201269 OldTrooper
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What would the effect be of Wal-Mart abandoning the dollar for everything except its retail trade in the US?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:56 | 1201367 Al Gorerhythm
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Isn't that gist of the story?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:31 | 1201654 OldTrooper
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Not percisely what I got out of the story.  But it is a Sunday so maybe I'm not thinking as clearly as I'd like.  I was thinking about all of the other countries they do business in.  The implications for them in China are pretty clear, but that's not all of their business.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:13 | 1201420 maximin thrax
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The effect of everything at WalMart doubling? Well, the useful crap can be made more profitably elsewhere, hopefully here in the US, inflating wages where wages need to be inflated, in the manufacturing sector. So that's just an opportunity to expand employment here.

Or, people forego purchasing the Chinese crap from WalMart and put that money instead into the tank because of rising gas prices. Then, China gets squeezed by deflation at the retail end and higher oil prices at the production end.

This nation can make just about whatever she needs, save petrolium (oil and refinement) at our current rate of consumption. And we don't buy oil from China. My biggest concern is maintaining the ability to give something of worth to the oil producers if we want to avoid a huge and very real shock to the economy.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:34 | 1201467 Urban Redneck
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The EPA is trying to regulate farm dust and cow flatulence, and the IRS is trying to lay its hands on all the unencumbered cash it can.  The US will NOT be a destination for low cost manufacturing any time soon.  The Chinese have been outsourcing to Vietnam for years, but even Germany is a preferable location for manufacturing start-ups to the US.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:01 | 1201923 FreedomGuy
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Actually, the Chinese and businesses in China are also moving farther inland away from the coast. Chinese workers get tired of one day off a month and low wages, too. So, to be competitive since China's advantage is primarily as a low cost/low wage producer they've had to move farther inland. This has a social benefit to keep everyone from migrating to the coast/s where the Western funded jobs are. Keeps their costs low and helps offset some of the inflation we are exporting to them. Ultimately, it is a losing game, though...or at least not static.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:50 | 1201492 Don Keot
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Foreign oil is a huge hole in our bucket.  All of the money that goes to foreign oil does not come back.  It buys toys for the OPEC boys.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:57 | 1201905 robobbob
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"doubling" a labor cost of twenty five cents an hour is still only fifty cents, and short an order of magnitude from making the US a beneficiary of that change.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:30 | 1201971 maximin thrax
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China didn't eclipse the US in cell phone usage by paying everyone 25 cents an hour. There are as many Chinese enjoying a high standard of living as there are Americans (but a whole lot more poor, of course). They don't have much margin to trim outside of locating factories out of China into the next impoverished country. Besides, you have to factor in the cost of shipment from the other side of the world, which is oil dependent.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:17 | 1201632 Great Dane
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...and riots from one ghetto to the next.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:10 | 1202047 Troll Magnet
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what would be the result of everything at Walmart doubling in price?


expensive shit instead of cheap shit!  walmart would go bankrupt because no one would buy anything made in china if they had to pay more.  that will be a GREAT thing IMO.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:10 | 1202215 Dr. Porkchop
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Nothing like paying high end prices for low end garbage.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:07 | 1200951 Tail Dogging The Wag
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Have you expanded your overseas investments?

Do you have overseas investments like the Chinese?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:43 | 1201339 traderjoe
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Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:29 | 1201008 Hugh G Rection
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Man this is bullish for the dollar!


Get your $100 USD calls while you still can! /sarc off.


wish i had more metal...

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:48 | 1201212 Josh Randall
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But, but, we flew Chinese flags in DC and on Pensylvaia Ave over the Capitol and everything! I thought they were our "Most Favored Nation" ?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:58 | 1201238 Piranhanoia
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"Ben" may think "Ben" Franklin is his memorial, so he keeps printing them. He knows what they are going to be used for and is in favor.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:49 | 1201068 bankonzhongguo
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China will convert all those dollars into political and resource influence in Africa and the ME.

The Spirit of Bandung marches on.

China should, like Bill Gross, simply state they won't buy UST anymore (no proxies either to juice the interest rate) and then proceed to settle all trading accounts by exporting their dollars back to America for exports and at least require the largest US importers (say Wal-mart) to settle their trading accounts in physical silver and gold.  Talk about a shock wave. Sure China's internal political culture  will eventually rip itself apart, but might as well sock it to the US.  As an artful boast, some PLA-N wonk should get some newztime and offer to trade $1 trillion in China held US debt for CVN 73.

Should the renaming be; Zheng He or The Bernak?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:50 | 1201351 msamour
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That would mean instant nuclear war. If the power elites in the Westernized world feel cornered, I don't doubt for a second they will nuke the entire planet. They would do it because they are convinced they can get away with it.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:54 | 1201902 sun tzu
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They would blow themselves up too. Nearly 40% of their exports go to America. If we don't buy their junk, their factories shut down and they have 50 million angry unemployed people living in their posh new cities.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:20 | 1202067 Milestones
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A 40% across the board tariff and that would be 250-300 million unemployed and a whole lot of Pols hiding in the closet.    Milestones

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:55 | 1202259 bankonzhongguo
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Hey nobody saying the US won't buy China's crap.  The Chinese just say, 'settle the account in gold and silver instead of USD.'  This is the joy of fascism, when China, Inc. - which every thinks is so great - actually turns around and steals your IP and kicks you out of the market.

It doesn't matter what economic problems China has on the coast or inland, or now or 20 years.  They will just blame the US and everyone will assume its true.  Engagement.

And they don't need the US going forward.  They would just assume sell to Africa or develope the interior as the US.

In the end the US worker won't be much different than the Chinese one.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:33 | 1201318 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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Meh, just pass a law that invalidates any debt held by nondemocratic regimes, picking a particular date to use for serial #s so they can't resell it.  Screw the Chinese AND the Saudis.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:00 | 1201372 Al Gorerhythm
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What do you mean. You want to fuck them over again?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:18 | 1201547 Teamtc321
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Think USA has high debt? Check out UK's 428% debt to GDP, Germany's 176%, Switzerland's 378%:  

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:04 | 1201618 r101958
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not sure where you are getting your figures.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:02 | 1201917 sun tzu
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Your numbers are way off

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:01 | 1201913 tmosley
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Not sure how you can pull off such a feat without consigning the US to 3rd world status.

The US is the seated party in this particular scenario:

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 01:24 | 1202389 Joseph Jones
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I'm dumb and naive, I admit it.   Will your idea work?  It sounds good to me, except it's stealing?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 18:20 | 1201740 mr66
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They need to kick can down road or we'll have major trouble.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 23:44 | 1202253 Agent 440
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Man. They'll be bringing back all the COBOL dinosaurs to get the code to handle that many digits. Bastards will probably want their salaries paid in silver too.  : (

Fri, 08/05/2011 - 05:47 | 1526018 cindycheng
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Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:11 | 1200773 disabledvet
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I say we'll see the end of QE when we see Ben Bernanke do his Monday "press briefings" in his pair of Daisy Dukes.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:21 | 1200806 Sudden Debt
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This 2 trillion cut is just the start of something worse!

First they cut the reserves and than they can savely revalue their currency, CAUSING HIGHER INFLATION IN THE WEST!


And Ben has a third problem: He can only print 200 billion for QE3. Anything higher will be a kick in the balls for the dollar above the rest of the troubles.

Unless Europe comes with even worse news (which I don't doubt) Euro 1 = Dollar 2. Which will kill european exports...

Endgame... we'll see who is prepared and who's not.


I'm prepared and I'm going to make a shitload of money out of this one! BOEYAH BITCHEZ!!


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:45 | 1200876 Yits and the Yimrum
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did you discover a new planet or something?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:01 | 1200930 Thorlyx
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Study the past if you would define the future.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:20 | 1200991 RichyRoo
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there was a "Rage Against the Machine" song which detailed similar ideas... control the past define the present, define the present, control the future .. or something (too drunk to be correct except in general terms right now).

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:27 | 1201170 H. Perowne
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"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past." It's from Orwell's 1984. Which is looking more prescient by the day.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1200998 RichyRoo
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wow, weird way to reduce your own message:

"Anything higher will be a kick in the balls for the dollar"


"Unless Europe comes with even worse news (which I don't doubt)"


QE3 may be higher since Eurpoe is likely to be worse... what are you acutally saying?


Seems that if Europse is worse 'than expected' then QE3 may be larger, is that what you are saying?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:15 | 1201147 DosZap
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Makes sense, since our QE's are going to European Banks in a huge way.

QE's are for banks, not America.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:28 | 1201167 Sudden Debt
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Yes, I'm counting on a 4 to 7 trillion dollar QE3.

They'll cut it to pieces in the presentation but in the end that will be the cost.

And that will only be enough funding for the next 2 years.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:26 | 1201002 RichyRoo
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also you misspelled 'booyah', seriously, who cant spell 'booyah'?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:52 | 1201220 tickhound
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behind the spelling errors you'll find a smart Belgian... boeyeh is french with an english twist

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:07 | 1201523 Dejean Splicer
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That Belgian is actually a Frenchman.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 21:31 | 1202085 Troll Magnet
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would it be spelled "boojah" in spanish?  or "boolla"?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:39 | 1201665 Chuck Walla
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He's French, cut him a break. Anyway, his English is far superior to many of our own grads.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:49 | 1201023 cowdiddly
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only one word necessary OUCH!!!!!.  This IS the SHTF. Now we know why all those congressmen are taking that trip to China begging on their knees that we hear so little about. But they are just worried about going to Macau on the taxpayers dime. 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:51 | 1201227 Josh Randall
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I think those TURNCOATS are there to pick out their new mansions in the Ghost Cities as part of their Golden Parachute package for trying to enslave their own countrymen. 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:01 | 1201113 Mark of Zerro
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And maybe it will turn into a quadruple whammy....

Austerity funding via a life sapping and the implosion of and the unleashing of a new human wave of welfare recipients. (ex wal mart employees)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:03 | 1201379 traderjoe
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IMHO, I caution you to not revel in your profit off your preparation. We must be inclusive about the concept of gold and silver as money. It will vastly improve the odds of their acceptance if early adopters are not 'unjustly' enriched (in the eyes of the unprepared). Jealously should be avoided if possible. Gold and silver should be the money of the people, not some new super-elite. We want to avoid the new boss same as the old boss syndrome.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:14 | 1201417 Sudden Debt
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Your fired!


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:55 | 1201603 Midwest Prepper
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How bout "you're fired"...  Why is the English language so difficult for so many of you?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:34 | 1201655 traderjoe
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In his case, it's his 2nd language.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:45 | 1201672 Chuck Walla
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And better at English than many of the Yankee lumps I see on the net.  How do so many American teachers figure they're entitled in view of the poor performance and prep seen on a daily basis in any forum, or even store marquees?? He gets his thought across, no grammar police need apply!

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:55 | 1201690 NuckingFuts
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Why do so many think that everyone on ZH is an American.  Most most Europeans speak several languages (or at least try), while most Americans can barely speak their own.  Anyone reading this blog for more then a day knows Sudden Debt is Belgian, give the guy a break trolls.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:16 | 1201842 Arttrader
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"Perhaps that's because you come from Belgium, which, of course, is pretty much a non-country" - Check out Nigel Farage at 0:30


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:33 | 1201870 Hugh G Rection
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Not all of us yanks are monolinguistic dolts... Rosetta Stone bitches


Just wish I would have bought the Mandarin version, instead of wasting my time on Espanol and Deutsche.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 01:20 | 1202379 Dave
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If you plan to stay in this country you didn't waste your time on Español amigo. Look around.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:00 | 1201612 Hulk
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wise advice...

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:08 | 1201394 bothsidesnow
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Euro already in with worse news but for some reason ZH not on it. Hmmm.

Looks to me like Ireland is going to take out the clippers and give someone a haircut real soon.

First you have Stark of ECB making comments about a restructuring:

Smaghi Op Ed in the Financial Times;jsessionid=209E0252B41C02E8EB5796FF710F401C?newsId=241016

and the Irish throwing the red card (their still pissed about being dissed by France in the World Cup qualifier)

Ayn would like to to know, Who is Tyler Durden?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:24 | 1201443 dejapfc
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It is a fallacy to think that the strong currency is somehow bad for the economy.

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 05:06 | 1202725 FrankDrakman
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Depends on whose economy you're considering. Here in the Great White North, the strong loonie is causing problems.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:12 | 1200775 Oligarchs Gone Wild
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Well wait a second, if QE2 is done and the Bernank isn't buying up more dollars and China is going to flood the system by offloading 2/3rds of it's dollar holdings and stops buying more Treasury's who the hell is going to be buying US debt?  Hmmmm??? 

How soon do the US CDS spreads start gapping up along with the rest of the bond curve?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:13 | 1200782 disabledvet
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the perfectly fine US banking system of course!  "We were warned" remember?(????)

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:43 | 1201050 redpill
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Until China actually does something it's just talk. If they are really tightening the noose, the start of the endgame is at hand. But the Chinese are very patient, and this statement does not guarantee immediate action on their part. They have no desire to send world economies into turmoil, and they certainly don't want it to look like it was their fault. So if/when they begin unloading dollars in earnest, it will still be gradual enough that we cannot accuse them of taking action that directly precipitated a crisis. They want the reign of the dollar to end not with a bang but a whimper.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:59 | 1201107 Mike2756
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Agreed, seems like more arm twisting to get the u.s. politicos to get their house in order.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 16:30 | 1201568 DoChenRollingBearing
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Smart ZH-er chingaguy says that China's real aim in all of this is to "neuter" the US (and maybe the West).  I presume that what he meant is that China will stifle any efforts by the vastly more powerful USA to hurt China by soft power.

China is good at this kind of soft power stuff, they use "Tai Chi Diplomacy".

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:15 | 1201631 r101958
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The Chinese may be patient but they are not stupid. If they do not actually plan to take action now then we should all consider it a warning. They are not 'playing the game' just so they can lose. They are looking to be the number one economy/power in the world. That said, they will not throw away their rook in order to take a bishop. I would not assume any less from the country that gave birth to the likes of Sun Tzu.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 19:22 | 1201853 Arttrader
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I would be hesistant to expect that the leadership bears any likeness to Sun Tzu.  The country gave birth to how many billion others.  They're likely to have a Sun Tzu or two.  They're more likely to have the descendents of Chairman Mao and his colleagues.  These are the folks that win their "elections".  Hopefully they're humble enough to defer to an actual Artist of War. 

Mon, 04/25/2011 - 01:31 | 1202401 Joseph Jones
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You mean they are manipulating the financial system, kinda like we've been doing for quite f few decades? 

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:50 | 1201677 Chuck Walla
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If they want US politicians to get their house in order, then China better be able to deliver a lot of votes. I know a community organizer who can give them some pointers on stealing elections.... Although I understand large donations of cash can be helpful to any cause.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:19 | 1201285 Stares straight...
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Also agreed.  More jawboning in play here.  The only effect of selling two thirds US debt would be to kill your "Nummer Won Cussomer."

We are locked in check mate until the hyperinflation event.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:23 | 1201952 TheJudge2012
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They can be their own nummer won cussomer instead of shipping all those goods to us they make for slave wages. They can buy them now.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 22:04 | 1202121 Stares straight...
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Maybe, except they pay one for one with yuan and we pay at 8X discount with dollars.  (Until the yuan floats, if ever.)

And there are the cultural aspects of the chinese, who are savers and not spenders.  If their refrigerator works, it stays.  If ours has an outdated color or there are stylish new features available, we buy a new one.


Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:47 | 1201343 duncecap rack
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I think this is a message to the FOMC before their meeting. If they were really planning on this they would be half done before they announced it

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 15:50 | 1201496 cartonero
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I wonder why silver shot up this week.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 17:45 | 1201675 tsx500
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just ask Oblahma .....    speculators .,that's oil.  

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 20:26 | 1201960 Rick64
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 Correct. Its a warning.  

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 11:53 | 1200904 Blano
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If everyone knows selling 2 trillion will trash Treasury's themselves, then who's the buyer/bagholder going to be??

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1200952 disabledvet
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Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:10 | 1200969 Greyzone
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China is counting on many third world nations that hold strategic resources not really understanding the imminent currency crisis. And from observing things as they unfold, this appears to be a good assumption. For decades the little thugs around the world wanted US dollars to buy weapons to preserve their power. China coming along to buy resources with dollars, even perhaps overpaying for those resources, simply feeds to immediate greed of these little thugs. Once China has gotten rid of those dollars and reduced exposure drastically (to a level where if the remaining dollars suddenly became worthless), China will no longer care what happens to the dollar.

China also has a tremendous export opportunity right now - Japan. Japan has massive needs and China can fulfill some of those needs. China needs to ingratiate itself with its island neighbor. This will be difficult because of thousands of years of history but it can still be done. China is also already dealing with the other BRIC nations in transactions denominated other than dollars.

Bernanke acts like this is a sprint. China is acting like this is a chess game. Each move exploits errors being made by Bernanke and his shills.

Checkmate coming soon to a currency near you.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 12:25 | 1201006 RichyRoo
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should the US-govt manage PRC importing from AUS?

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 13:04 | 1201120 Green Leader
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I agree with your perspective on how it's going to be.

China won't care what happens to their remaining Dollars as long as their global objectives are met.

Sun, 04/24/2011 - 14:01 | 1201242 Life of Illusion
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China also has a tremendous export opportunity right now - Japan. Japan has massive needs and China can fulfill some of those needs. China needs to ingratiate itself with its island neighbor. This will be difficult because of thousands of years of history but it can still be done.

Neighbors,,,,from the same link today

  China's Commerce Minister Chen Deming, Japan's Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry Banri Kaieda and South Korea's Trade Minister Kim Jong-hoon (L to R) attend a photocall before 8th Trilateral Economic & Trade Ministers' Meeting in Tokyo, capital of Japan, on April 24, 2011. Top trade officials of South Korea, China and Japan gathered for talks on Sunday. (Xinhua/Ji Chunpeng)


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