China Retaliates Again, Accuses US Of "Out Of Control" Dollar Printing

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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:29 | 678406 ZeroPower
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Remove your fucking PEG to them and no problem!

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:40 | 678460 Turd Ferguson
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(100%, must-watch obligatory)

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:01 | 678521 More Critical T...
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Yep, the dollar-yuan peg, a'ka:

"The peg is China's guarantee that chinese workforce will always be cheaper than equivalent US workforce."

I expect the upcoming Republican/Palin administration to enshrine the peg in the US Constitution though, to guarantee the "strong dollar". (which, as we all know, is a good thing - except that it's bad.)

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 03:11 | 679873 AnAnonymous
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"The peg is China's guarantee that chinese workforce will always be cheaper than equivalent US workforce."



Actually, the risk is nearly the opposite.

The peg is China's effort that chinese workforce might be one day as expensive as the equivalent US workforce. With all the consequences.

Removing the peg will keep China's workforce much cheaper than its US counterpart and likely to grow cheaper in the future.

China is no longer a low cost country. They have moved up the ladder.

Added to that, they are many other choices before the US workforce in the world.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:20 | 678574 SheepDog-One
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Nah its ALL GOOD man! Screw all the facts about how much we owe to China and can never repay, ever, even if things reversed and were pure total fiscal responsibility from here on out!

We're sitting at all time highs in markets, 80 P/E stocks are being chased higher daily, and the only thing to back it up is a bankrupt FED printing more baseless currency. ALL IS WELL! Jump in take the Nastee plunge we can only go higher from here nothing to worry about at all! We're in crazy Cocaine Crackland now where big hookahs full of Hopim are free for all!

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:55 | 678501 midtowng
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China will eventually have to remove the peg. It's inevitable.

Plus, the only way America can ever revive our manufacturing base is if China removes its peg.

But China is a world unto itself. They are concerned with domestic matters first, last, and in-between.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:00 | 678523 King_of_simpletons
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Inflation is calculated differently here and in China. The hedonistic adjustments we perform here make CPI and PPI worthless. When China complains about Inflation they are talking about food price, gasoline, commodities etc... We simply choose to ignore all that and compute the price fluctuation of least commonly used commodity between two time periods and proclaim that there is no inflation all the while making chocolate wrappers and soup cans smaller and smaller.  

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:24 | 678921 morph
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Yeah right.

You'd need the dollar to weaken 10000% before it'll be cheaper to hire an American. You realise workers who assemble iPhones earn $300 per month if they are lucky? That is only after pressure to give them wacking great pay rises.  It was more like ~$150/month a year ago.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 02:55 | 679862 Heavy
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Correct, we're all to be slaves, and to whom i wonder.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:29 | 678407 Jim in MN
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Effective talking point in currency war = priceless

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:30 | 678411 LongSoupLine
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Sun Tzu, bitchez.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:41 | 678464 Herd Redirectio...
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Basically they just have to convince the people of China that they are 'trying to do something'.  It is the same trick that all politicians use.

We all know China and the US have decided a long time that they are going to do this together (currency devaluation), and now it is just a matter of trying to convince the people that it HASN'T been decided ages ago, and that the Chinese gov't is sensitive to its peoples demands.

If this has to end with China more like America, or America more like China,  I can tell you which one the leaders of BOTH countries decided on!  America, welcome to the 'developing' world!

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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:17 | 678568 Cheesy Bastard
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Sun Tzu, bitchez

The Art of (currency) War. <; )



Tue, 10/26/2010 - 22:39 | 679517 Jim in MN
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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:30 | 678415 What_Me_Worry
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These two need to get a room and just f@ck each other already.

Oh wait, they already have.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:33 | 678427 Ragnarok
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Nixon started the foreplay years ago.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:34 | 678434 Joe Davola
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Unfortunately, there seems to be quite a number of us caught up as the meat in that sandwich.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:31 | 678417 TheGreatPonzi
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Why does China continue to buy Tbonds?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:45 | 678478 bb5
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the question is how much longer will they keep buying and what happens when they stop? Can Zimbabwe Ben afford to buy them all?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:07 | 678541 Parth
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Great question. Japan too was once in the same boat. They catipulated and continued buying the bonds as they saw no option. So will the Chinese, I mean we give the Chinese too much credit (pun intended), but they foolishly walked into this crisis (everybody knew the home market would blow-at least the bankers knew the eventual blowup with derivatives etc) and I expect them to be as foolish in the future. About the only thing going for us is the rest of the world is no smarter than the Fed this G-20 notwithstanding. I think Germany is the only country who has the ballz to stand up to America. This will be hilarious as China et al enters "can't live with them can't live without" syndrome with USA.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 03:02 | 679868 AnAnonymous
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Why does China continue to buy Tbonds?



Easy to understand. The US has put up an extortion/farming scheme on the world scale. Monopoly is hard to define but the USD is probably the closest thing to a monopoly in present days.

As the US keeps selling the assets(mainly commodities) of others denominated in USD, anyone willing to buy commodities (and the Chinese are not willing to, they are obligated) have to get USD.

And you can get USD from only one pump: the US.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:31 | 678420 DoChenRollingBearing
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Sell China.

Buy gold.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 18:08 | 678881 equity_momo
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Probably the best non-levered pairs trade for the next 2 years out there.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 03:13 | 679875 Heavy
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On a 2yr time line i think silver is better than gold if you can get in it.  I'm still running on the argument that the silver market is more likely see price increases than gold because of industrial demand spikes, supply limitations, and smaller total market value than the gold market (comex/spdr collapse and fort knox audit aside).  I'll point out that silver is much better as a hard currency should the dollar hyper-inflate and that it's more easily divisible into useful denominations/amounts, but that's more for fun than for significance of those factors' impact.  I'm not sure if there are differences in the mines' sales of furture amounts of pm, or how much it matters.

Both gold and silver are going up in value, I thought silver was the better of the two last time i checked.  Any reason to change my mind other than the ease of investing in some form of paper gold (even fully backed and redeamable)?  Cause I'll relinquish you that argument.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:31 | 678421 Oh regional Indian
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Wasn't Timmay just over there? He also got them to sing The Yuan will Be Upvalued, didn't he?

Pretty clear whose "jewels" are in whose hands though.



Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:33 | 678431 johngaltfla
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Uh, ummm, uh, ummm.....

You bitch when we don't print.

You bitch when we do.

You bitch when we send the Turbo Dwarf over there.

You bitch when we don't.

China, are you really my wife under a different name?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:38 | 678454 What_Me_Worry
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They talk us into taking on a ton of debt to buy things we don't need.

I think you are on to something.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:55 | 678506 NumberNone
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But look how much money we saved buying from their store on's like we were stealing from them! 

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:35 | 678439 Dangertime
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Once the Chinese revalue the RMB, look for inflation pressure to suddenly appear in the US.


We have exported inflation to the Chinese....but in order for them to export it back to us, they need to revalue.


Checkmate my Chinese friends.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:57 | 678513 midtowng
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Good point. When, not if, China unpegs their currency, you better not be in cash. You better have plenty of gold, silver, and commodity producer stocks. Plus, you better have a way of getting your wealth out of the country.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:26 | 678587 Dangertime
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The neat trick is that we are forcing the Chinese to buy our Dollar OR to print RMB to keep the peg going.


They can have rampant inflation locally and face insurrection by printing to keep the peg, OR they can feed our debt addiction by purchasing US paper to keep the peg, OR they can drop the peg altogether and let the RMB rise in value.


Not many choices China.  They started by buying US paper and then got angry that we wouldn't stop printing it......I wonder how long they will stay with the current choice of printing the RMB as a way to keep the peg.


It's a game of Chicken, but they are on a Bike while the US has a Hum-V.  Sooner or later they will blink.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:45 | 678651 centerline
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Sounds about right to me. It's the collateral damage that sucks though.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 09:04 | 680183 BigJim
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I'm still learning about all this stuff, so I'd appreciate some comments on the following:

What's to stop the Chinese inflating their own money supply to keep the peg with the USD, but, rather than buying US Treasuries with the excess, buying commodities, mines, overseas farmland, gold, silver, copper, oil etc instead? Wouldn't that prevent the monetary inflation they're worrying about? And give them a lot of real wealth?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:34 | 678610 maddy10
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To where????????Mars?!!!!

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 02:58 | 679867 AnAnonymous
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Actually, that is not that. Currently, one way out of potential social troubles in the West is to manage to get everything cheaper from the outside.

Outsourcing is the result of internal pressures and at start, was expected to benefit from a world tour of misery.

World tour of misery: install a factory in a very low quality general environment.

People work. The day they start to improve their general improvement, like adding running waters, it adds to the cost of hiring people them, workers come with bills asking for a pay rise. At this moment, tell people that you have understood them, that they are not interested in working for you. Say "see you soon when you are ready to work" (meaning gave up the option of having running water) Move the factory to another country. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The Chinese have blocked this pattern. They have absorbed a lot of the activity thrown outside the Western world and are no longer a low cost country.

Unpegging will not forcefully lead to inflation in the US as the world tour of misery will be put back on tracks.

Even though the difference might be absorbed by profits and not reported on consumers. Very likely. 

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 06:57 | 679954 Dangertime
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It takes time to get those factories moved to lower cost countries.  A couple of years at the least.


In the meantime, releasing the peg will at the same time release the inflation genie from the bottle.  All of those Wal-Mart goods that are so cheap (but getting less cheap even with the peg kept)?  They will go up in price rather quickly.

Wed, 10/27/2010 - 13:27 | 680918 AnAnonymous
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It takes time to get those factories moved to lower cost countries.  A couple of years at the least.


No. From a forthnight to a month.

This is happening on a frequent basis. And you probably never have noticed a disruption in the supply of the goods you are used to buy.




Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:35 | 678441 wiskeyrunner
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Another day of gains for stocks, looks like the midnight rally crew will be on hand tonight. Stock index futures rise overnight 90% of the time. Buy the close sell the open, make free money.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:35 | 678444 youngandhealthy
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Xie is right whether you like it or not.

What I don't say is that China is not a manipulator.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:37 | 678449 theXman
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China likes to say that it has the sovereign right to decide the RMB/USD exchange rate, it is no one else' business. By the same token, US also has the sovereign rightto print as much paper money as it wants, it is not China's business to complain. All China needs to do is to let Yuan appreciate and reflect the inflation wave back towards US.

The fact is that the RMB/USD peg has sucked US dry. It is no longer sustainable. It has to be broken off either by China voluntarily or by paper dollar attack launched by the Fed.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:44 | 678477 youngandhealthy
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Absolutely. US has the right to to whatever they want....however banking is built on trust and that includes the "uber-bank" itself, The FED.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:46 | 678479 tom
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Or (who could imagine such a possibility) the US could cut its fiscal deficit.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:47 | 678482 youngandhealthy
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Tue, 10/26/2010 - 17:35 | 678520 theXman
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Logically, yes. Politically, impossble, since that would require a massive self-imposed austerity program onto the population, a real 1930-style depression. Compared to that, debasing USD appears to be a less harsh alternative for the majority of the population of this country.

Got gold?

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:41 | 678461 moofph
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...gee, those g20 commitments couldn't even last a few G-seconds.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:43 | 678473 Dr. No
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With so much printing by the FED and due to China's 8:1 peg, China is forced into a technological corner.  They do not have the abicus power to issue digital zeros as fast as the FED and are at a loss on how to inflate fast enough to keep the peg.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:48 | 678485 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Oh man, you guys didn't buy those Rough Rice Inverse Floaters from GS? Bummer.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 15:49 | 678486 HarryWanger
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Codependency. They need us, we need them. Period.

All the talk is to make them look good and save face in front of the PTB. Like an old married couple bickering. That's all it is.

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:05 | 678536 SheepDog-One
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'Out of control dollar printing'? NAH! Crazy Bennie and his Inkjets havent even gotten WARMED UP yet!

All the kooks are calling for markets rallies hard from DOW 11,200, nevermind thats far above an all time high based on valuations. HAS to go higher from here! All the bulltards say so, so all you 'traders' out there, full retard ON!

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:15 | 678562 Parth
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Its not really a codependency, they just have no experience in dealing with such macro-economic issues. The American consumer is their drug and they od'd on the US dollar. Thats a hard habit to break, more than likely they will try to "work" with the US as the Chinese cannot envision a scenarion without US consumers. The US dollar was called "gold" in China- have you tried quitting cigarettes or drugs cold turkey?

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