China's Bailout Of Europe Has Started, As The PBOC Joins The SNB

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Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:19 | 1447104 chistletoe
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the Chinese are a fast study.

 

they've been watching Bernanke export inflation,

they see how its done,

now they do it themselves.

The race to the bottom is on like Donkey Kong

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:25 | 1447230 ratso
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China is willing to put at risk a huge amount of money (read hundreds of billions) in order to protect its European market and keep a third economic force financially viable in the world.  The question is "How big is this rock that China is tying to its financial leg before it throws this financial rock into a financial ocean of unknown depth?"  Stayed tuned to see if China suddenly gets pulled overboard.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 11:59 | 1447932 Ahmeexnal
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Too little much too late.
China should sit out the collapse of the eurozone and just pick up the remaining scraps.

"I was in Vienna. I had with me an
Austrian chauffeur, Max his name
was, he spent time in the camps.
We were looking at these Viennese
cleaning up the bomb damage,
scavenging for rotting food, butt
ends, anything. I said, 'To think
a million of these people came out
to welcome Adolf on the day he
entered the city, a million of
'em, and now look at 'em.' "

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:20 | 1447107 Cassandra Syndrome
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Central Bank Wars Bitchez

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:41 | 1447141 The Limerick King
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The Central Bank war has begun

World Oligarchs having some fun

The end will come soon

When they buy out the moon

And they auction off tracks of the sun

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:13 | 1447207 WonderDawg
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Well done, sir.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:03 | 1447319 cartonero
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Poet laureate of ZH, bitchez

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:41 | 1447144 TheFourthStooge-ing
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PBOC: Panicking Bank of China

 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:59 | 1447309 Urban Redneck
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You can't win by only playing defense.  China should shit $10B+ on the long end of US treasury curve to get the other central planners' attention, or bypass the planners and go straight to the NY debt market scare both the FED and the bankers behind the FED themselves.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:21 | 1447108 Internet Tough Guy
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China is buying the currency that will do best in a freegold environment. Smart move.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:56 | 1447172 Non Passaran
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Gold, yes?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:19 | 1447194 Zero Govt
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"Smart move" by China? Nah

This is the Dumb Virus, afflicts all Govt staff their first day in the public sector. We're now dealing with a mutant strain of the same, the Dumb & Dumber Super-Virus now widespread and growing like wildfire in all global Govts..

Chinas is no exception in fact throughout their history they've shown how well the Virus takes hold out there in the East and here we are again, losing money chasing the Euro-Disease (getting in debt following the vacuous idealogy politicians know what's best to spend others wealth on) down the drain

The toilet flush is ready for Chinas Govt just as it is for Europes and Americas Govts

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:24 | 1447116 RichyRoo
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Australian iron ore producer settles closes deal denominated in yuan

"FMG today made its first yuan-denominated transaction in China, a step toward settling iron-ore contracts in the local currency, its chief operating officer said today."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/mining-energy/fortescue-mulls-h...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:26 | 1447119 freethinker4now
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When do I cash in some of my Gold? Ahhh decisions decisions

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:56 | 1447173 mayhem_korner
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How much yer want fer it?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:28 | 1447236 Bob
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Funny!  Silver, on the other hand, is really chapping my ass. 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 10:15 | 1447580 DosZap
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Bob, did you not get the office memo?.

it's an Industrial Commodity!.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:28 | 1447121 Jambo Mambo Bill
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IMF bailouts Latin America 80s China style.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:31 | 1447122 kaiten
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Gee, Tyler, you must be joking when saying that FED loves strong EUR. Or are you just that naive? Tell me, how can FED start QE3 when euro is at 1.40? They have to push it down to 1.20 before QE3 starts. And that´s the whole story about this euro "collapse". Funny how no one cared about Italy 3 months ago, and when QE3 starts, no one will care about it again. So tell us. Are you in FED´s pocket or are you just that naive? I wonder.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:35 | 1447131 Tyler Durden
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What will be the first outcome of QE3?

But yes you are spot on. Unlike ALL other central banks, the Fed is the only one that wants a strong currency.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:29 | 1447146 kaiten
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What will be the first outcome of QE3? Simple. Dollar plunge. Can FED/US afford a dollar plunge at 1.40?  No. Can it at 1.20? Sure. Now, look when this eurozone scare began. As QE2 closed. Coincidence? Depends on the level of ones naivety.

In the same way as rating agencies assisted in housing bubble, they are now assisting in moping it up. And what´s better for EUR plunge, then euro-bashing? I cant believe you dont see this bankster mafia policy.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:54 | 1447521 Gandalf6900
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U might have a very good point

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:47 | 1447155 GeneMarchbanks
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 'Tell me, how can FED start QE3 when euro is at 1.40? They have to push it down to 1.20 before QE3 starts.'

Hmmm... Tiger, ... Obama is president so... Yes We Can! Dollar/Euro numbers are meaningless, whether 1.20 or 1.50. OT2 or QE3 or Trapped Wind Syndrome is a lock. Only when not if.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:04 | 1447182 kaiten
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Euro/dollar cross is meaningless? How about correlation between oil and EUR/$ and then, by extension, oil and household consumpiton, aka GDP?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:32 | 1447125 GeneMarchbanks
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Poor Hungarian/Polish/Czech mortgage owners. Next up for the EURCHF: parity.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 10:19 | 1447587 DosZap
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 EURCHF: parity.

Now that's the JOKE of the century..............

What's worthless, and trades even up w/ the strongest currency on the planet........

Makes sense.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:32 | 1447126 Sudden Debt
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some form of Greek default

Let's sack the private funds and make sure those honest bankers get their share.

I do wonder how many forms of default there are...

 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:41 | 1447143 chump666
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china won't do jack, they will need to narrow CDS spreads fast...thats the challenge, but the market is kinda sick of china posturing. china intervention only causes oil to be bid again which means just sucks in more inflation.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:47 | 1447156 Tyler Durden
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CDS are now completely irrelevant. ISDA shot itself, and the ECB, in the head after it made it clear that there will be no default determinations on European countries, making long position hedging thru CDS impossible. Therefore, the only way to "hedge" is to sell cash bonds.

Unintended consequences 101.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:05 | 1447186 HITMAN56
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asia bonds got lifted going into the close of the session...Xover pushing wider (+18) as is Main (+5.875)

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:15 | 1447211 oogs66
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do you have the isda thing for this?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1448089 citta vritti
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try these from the ISDA website:

http://www2.isda.org/news/video-plan-for-greek-debt-wont-trigger-cds-event

http://www2.isda.org/news/greek-sovereign-debt-qampa

It’s all Humpty Dumpty differentiation based on definition ("when I use a word ...") but buried in the video discussion underscoring that the direct payout consequences of a CDS event on Greece are not so big, because of hoped for recovery rates on the underlying and previous mark-to-market postings of collateral, is the kicker that an CDS restructuring event of default would trigger accounting rules on debt impairment, forcing bank and other holders to write down the assets, to market or myth depending on the audit firm.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:19 | 1447218 decon
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What do you think will be the half life of this intervention.  I sold my short positions in the premarket.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:42 | 1447145 john milton
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Les Rencontres Economiques d'Aix-en-Provence
8-9-10 july 2011
Mario Draghi on currency wars

http://www.bancaditalia.it/interventi/integov/2011/080711/en_draghi_0807...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:45 | 1447151 Oh regional Indian
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Truth is it's not China backstopping the EU.

It's the cartel behind backstopping the EU. Is that not obvious? That the same people pull the major strings? 

EU middle class is older than American, so they will be sheared first.

The great middle class shear-down of 2011.

Bacstopping only creates constipated entities.

Ugh!
ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/07/08/july-15th-aug-15th-month-long-window-coming-up-initial-thoughts/

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:47 | 1447154 Sudden Debt
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I'M AM LANCELOT!! said the chinese dude KNIGHT OF LOUND TABLE!!

 

CAN I TAKE YOUL OLDEL PLEASE? 

MAY I LECOMEND THE PEKING DUCK? IT TASTES LIKE DOG AND SMELLS LIKE FISH!

 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:06 | 1447187 The Limerick King
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Just look at the junks for SD

So suddenly hated is he

Once thought wise, now a punk

All his comments are junk

There's no one more vile than thee!

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:14 | 1447208 camoes
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LMAO +100000

I'll take the General Tso and my friend the Kung Pao chicken

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 07:49 | 1447159 johny2
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SNB and PBOC are on opposing sides in this game. 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:04 | 1447183 rsnoble
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So what's the kindergarten version of this article im too damn hungover for all this crap.  I take it something about an insolvent nation that just hasn't comes to terms with it's own problems and thus is filthy rich(china) bailing out a bunch of poor helpless bastards on the brink?  Huh, another day in crazy town.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:08 | 1447195 Rider
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I thought Chinese were smart people, but they are making line to be the ultimate bag holders.

Idiocy do not know borders.

 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:25 | 1447231 Zero Govt
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Idiocy does not know borders or have limits in Government

there fixed it 4 ya

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:11 | 1447198 equity_momo
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If you are disillusioned at the dumb fucks running our future , just be thankful you arent Chinese and have to put up with those monumental morons in the Politburo. China a white knight? Please.  Theyre panicking just to prevent a social breakdown in their own borders and they think buying Euro debt is part of the solution.  Little do they know theyre going to get the mother of all monkey fuckings.  Their hard asset purchases are a drip in the bucket for a country their size. Theyre double fucked.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:15 | 1447209 camoes
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No they are not. They already own the US and now they will own EU. Bow down to your new master overlords. They keep what they kill...

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:29 | 1447239 equity_momo
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And how do you work that out? When the US and EZ default and China ask for some "assets" the answer will be "tough luck Mr Won , buyer beware"

China will just have to suck it up. They arent killing anyone.

The Chinese economy is going to collapse as the old masters of monetary shennanigans bend them over the table.

Thats how you rebalance the US economy and create jobs.

Any talk about deficits , stimulus and tax is just a huge fucking waste of time until you bring the hammer down on Asia because even with their stupidity they cant afford to keep funding US deficit spending ad infinitum with a permanently broken economic model - the question is , will the US politicians listen to the will of the people and do this at the expense of some short term corporate profits.

D-Day is nearing.  All roads lead to default and a global economic collapse , its how you position to come out the other side that counts , not how long you can extend the pain.

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:40 | 1447250 the not so migh...
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China will just have to suck it up. They arent killing anyone.

Yeah, ok, sure

Don't forgot history,  Sino-Indian Border Conflict , Korean War, they can do allot fo killing actually.

 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 08:55 | 1447299 equity_momo
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You think China will invade Spain and Italy? Then the US? Dont think so.  They care about their doorstep. When was the last time China invaded a country that wasnt within their immediate geopolitic sphere?

Or are you saying get ready for a few billion Chinese on rafts washing up on Long Beach?

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:02 | 1447315 snowball777
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Have you ever been to SF? They already have a foothold. ;)

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:12 | 1447347 the not so migh...
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When was the last time deadbeats owed China trillions over the entire northern hemisphere of Earth? 

Tue, 07/12/2011 - 09:22 | 1447395 equity_momo
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Ok so you ARE saying China will invade.  Will it be with Nukes or do they have several dozen fleet carriers hidden in a dry dock?  Or are they going to cram enough personnel onto that crummy thing they wheeled out a few months ago?

The US will default on China before Chinese military can get close to threatening anyone more than a timezone or two outside their border.

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