Chinese February Trade Surplus Drops So Much It Becomes Deficit, Largest In 7 Years

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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:49 | 1036102 Sudden Debt
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This is what you get when the Gold & Silver Imports ARE BIGGER THEN THE PLASTIC CRAP THEY EXPORT!

 

reminds a bit of these projects they call "FAIR TRADE" over here where you can buy crap from the developped world for twice the price you pay in common retail.

I guess they have something just like it but with a inverse policy.

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:06 | 1036131 morph
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If you look at the chart there is a dip at the same time every year. The new year shuts China down for 10 days or so.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:17 | 1036150 Saxxon
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Yes Morph and it really shuts down hard.  Westerners on the hamster wheel (particularly in the United States where our holidays ((Holy Days)) are mere Monday add-ons and all semblance of regard to tradition and ancestors is whored out by the media) cannot understand the extent to which commercial activity halts in the PRC during that holiday.

Nice gap down in the metals but I somehow don't like this dip.  If the PRC is rocking to a close (they are the last bull) we will see more downside.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:20 | 1036153 Head for the Hills
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+1

Selling cheap manufactured crap, undercutting manufacturing in the US and Europe and then turning around and spending the proceeds to buy out all the commodities to deliver a second blow to US and European manufacturers by driving up raw material prices can hardly be called trade.

Brilliant strategy  for the Chinese and incredible stupidity for governments that allow this evisceration to be done to them.

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:49 | 1036106 Oh regional Indian
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Too funny. China posts a NUMBer and the world gets...shall we say, excited?

Look at how much importation of core commodities alone has accelerated in the past six months by them. 

Interesting, as globalization dies it's natural death, deficits are going to be the order of the day.

India's surplus is so "light" (all service sector driven), it can vanish in a heartbeat.

Currency wars are over.... had a good laugh when I saw that.

ORI

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Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:05 | 1036458 FreedomGuy
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The currency wars are over when China allows its currency to float freely and no longer pegs it to the dollar. Until then it is anyone's guess what it is really worth anywhere. So critics on both sides, i.e. undervalued vs properly valued can continue their arguments ad infinitum.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:51 | 1036111 Drachma
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Does this have anything to do with the Chinese Girls Dating Website.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:53 | 1036115 overmedicatedun...
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time to sum gum QE and stimulate internal economy mr Hu.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:57 | 1036117 Flakmeister
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This is also what you get you are import more than 50% of the oil you burn...the ratio is very similar to the US....

Small factoid: Germany and France import less oil than they did in the 1970's... on a per capita basis the drop is quite dramatic.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:08 | 1036466 FreedomGuy
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They do a lot of nuclear, particularly the French and they also tax gasoline up to about $8 per gallon. The cars probably get two to three times the mileage they did back in the 70's and mass transit is better organized. I personally don't favor too many of those things or they wouldn't fly here very well.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 12:09 | 1036666 Flakmeister
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Can't question the American way, can we? Non-negotiable I am told...

Aside: There is something exhilirating about going 175 mph through the French countryside knowing that the only fossils fuels being used are the lubricants and the plastics in the train and those inputs into building the infrastructure.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 08:54 | 1036118 bunkermeatheadp...
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You can't eat plasma widesrcreens.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:06 | 1036130 TBT or not TBT
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Oh, and commodity prices are way up across the board, and not only do they import a lot of shit, they are a primary driver for some of that demand, even piling the stuff over there in lieu of FRN's and EUROs and AUDs if you listen to some commentators here.   That couldn't have anything to do with it, could it?     Yeah it could.   Let's pause to note that not all, by a long shot, of those imported commodities go back out transformed into trade goods.  They've been building psychotic quantities of urban housing that no one there can afford, to the point where it is visible from space.   Malinvestment.   Big Time.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:25 | 1036162 eddiebe
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So now that they are not running a trade deficit with the U.S. anymore that means they don't buy anymore T bonds. In fact now they have the 'cover' to sell them, to make up their 'trade deficit'.

 Brilliant. they are learning how to fuck back.

 This will also give Bennie cover to keep the Qe going.

The bond is toast

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:11 | 1036142 eddiebe
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How do you say 'voodoo economics' in chinese?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:13 | 1036146 Youri Carma
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China unexpectedly swings to February trade deficit, 10 March 2011, by V. Phani Kumar - Hong Kong (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-unexpectedly-swings-to-trade-deficit-in-feb-2011-03-09

Excerpt:

The deficit might have implications for the pace at which China allows the yuan to appreciate against the U.S. dollar, say economists.

“One thing we are more certain about [from the data] is that China’s trade surplus is mostly likely to decline at a faster rate than anyone expected this year... A much smaller trade surplus means that the external pressure on yuan appreciation would be less,” said Wei Yao, China economist at Societe Generale in Hong Kong.

February’s deficit was China’s largest in seven years, according to Reuters.

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B. of A. Merrill Lynch’s China economist Ting Lu wrote to clients that taking January and February figures together, China’s imports grew 36%, while exports accelerated at 21.3%.

“China’s trade balance could be back into surplus again in coming months after the distortion in Jan-Feb, but surging oil prices could add pressures,” Lu said, adding that a one dollar per barrel increase in oil prices could cut China’s annual trade surplus by $1.9 billion.

“On the positive side, the falling trade surplus might alleviate pressures on the [yuan] and also the need for the People’s Bank of China to hike required reserve ratio to lock liquidity,” he added.

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:20 | 1036154 AnAnonymous
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A much smaller trade surplus means that the external pressure on yuan appreciation would be less

 

I doubt the US citizens change their mind because of the chinese trade deficit.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:39 | 1036156 THE DORK OF CORK
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A huge trade surplus is a hallmark of a colony - perhaps China is finally becoming a superpower now.

Germany and Ireland are still the bankers favourites - both with huge trade surpluses but not unlike  siamese unborn monetory twins - one huge and growing and the other tiny and shrinking as the large sibling takes all the nourishment.

A miscarriage awaits.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:22 | 1036157 Youri Carma
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Yuan retreats from record high, stability seen key, 8 March 2011, (Reuters) http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2011-03-08/news/28668537_1_mid-point-spot-yuan-chinese-commercial-bank

Excerpt:   Yuan appreciation in a year's time fell to 2.42% from 2.57%. The dollar/yuan exchange rate can trade up or down a maximum 0.5% in a given day from the mid-point, which is used by the PBOC to express the government's intentions for the currency.

The market widely expects the Chinese currency may rise 5%-6% this year as the government appears to be using the exchange rate to fight inflation.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:35 | 1036170 papaswamp
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So the US report shows the exact opposite of the China report...someone is fudging numbers.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:49 | 1036208 monopoly
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Is any of this a surprise to us here at Zero Hedge. For those of you who are still questioning what is coming down, there is the dip to buy in miners and gold.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:52 | 1036217 Ted K
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If Tyler Durden and cohorts actually believe that deficit number, put out by a government that tells more daily lies than the rest of the international community combined, I'm going to have to question any number/statistic put out by Durden and Co. from here on out.  And that is not said facetiously.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 09:52 | 1036220 f16hoser
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Keep buying our debt, Chink! We'll pay you back after the next war!

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:19 | 1036319 oh_bama
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This is not real guys.

This year, as chinese became a lot richer, they value their family time, holiday time a lot more than money. A clear sign of moving into middle class society. And therefore a lot less selling and a lot mroe buying.

The overly negative people need to wait at least a month or two before concluding anything..

You guys are too negative an unamerican. Cheer up and BTFD!!

 

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 11:23 | 1036518 Vampyroteuthis ...
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Oh_bama, are you backing up your fellow troll Hamy? Yeah, Hamy how is your crapple stock doing today?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:20 | 1036327 spanish inquisition
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They should be able to write down 200-300 billion of treasuries over the next 5 years to offset any surpluses. (I am pretty sure accounting rules don't' matter anymore)

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:23 | 1036330 spanish inquisition
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duplicate

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:35 | 1036368 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Believe any of these government supplied stats especially from China need to go see a medical professional.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 10:44 | 1036390 partimer1
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You already forgot the cardinal rule:  they can be whatever the fck they want them to be! who's checking?

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 12:45 | 1036777 bankruptcylawyer
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i bet if you tallied up all the balance of trade reports from all nations, you'd find that there were substantial discrepancies between everyone's trade flows and that some countries' were reporting things differently from other countries. 

if you didn't find that, then it is hard to imagine everyone being both accurate and telling the truth. if every report was in perfect agreement with each other, perhaps someone at the WTO, WB or BIS was massaging and managing the data reporting process. 

 

i'd like to see someone balance all nations' reports on a slide show in a simple and straightforward manner is all i'm saying.

Thu, 03/10/2011 - 20:38 | 1038824 TheGoodDoctor
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I guess this shows just how much gold, silver and natural resources that China is importing. LOL.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:46 | 1045298 pokrd
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Imported food price is higher could be attributed to the depreciation of the USD. But if measure it in another currency you could have different results. China's inflation problem is the opposite of the US, where a currency that is kept artificially weak is driving higher food prices.  

 

Similarly it is interesting to note that if you measure the oil price in another currency, it has not risen as much. For example the Oil price in Yen is still cost at equivalent to $65 per barrel.  

 

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