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Chinese Futile Inflationary Response Intensifies As PBOC Hikes RRR By 50 bps, Again

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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:46 | 973564 ZeroPower
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At least theyre following through by raising their interest as well as RRRs.

I dont believe Bernank will take any of this to raise rates at home before Q4.. Maybe for the best, free money for all until then.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:50 | 973569 eigenvalue
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What's the use of raising RRRs whien China's inflation runs 3 times as fast as they raise RRRs and interest rates?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:08 | 973602 ZeroPower
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I prefer to ask, how does a country manage inflation (i.e money supply) without increasing interest rates and hampering growth?

In this case, simply don't raise rates as high as you should.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:36 | 973679 Oh regional Indian
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Easy ZeroPower. Very easy actually. 

It's called price rationalization. If companies stop predatory, supply side pricing, everything will settle down. Everything (almost).

Imagine, one price for a product from inception to stopping production. Can you? No early adopter gouge/last gasp 80% off.

Really worth thinking about. And what impact it would have.



Sat, 02/19/2011 - 16:42 | 977857 ZeroPower
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Thats an interesting idea ORI, however i simply do not see that as ever being plausable. Id be very impressed if it were so..

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:47 | 973565 smlbizman
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apmex is paying over spot this morn on their buy backs, is this huge ?..sorry for multiple post just looking for feedback on whether i should wipe the smile off my face? 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:00 | 973581 Bob
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Not if you've got PM.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:08 | 973596 smlbizman
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this pm owning is like golf....u walk off 2 under for the day and you know you could have done better...you own a pick up truck load of metal { i wish} but you know you should have more...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:09 | 973606 Bob
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It hurts to look back.  Keep your eyes on the road ahead, my friend.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:55 | 973739 Thomas
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Yup. I think of the opportunities I had with gold in the 300's and 400's because I already had what I thought was an very chunky position. 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:06 | 973594 ArdentArgent
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The apmex buy back for 100 oz is over at or over spot while the buy back for 10 oz is at or less than spot, suggesting that they're more worried about keeping a supply of 100s than 10s.  This may mean that big money is grabbing the larger investment-sized bars.  Hold 'em tight!

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:14 | 973603 smlbizman
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they were or are paying .70 over spot on their englehard 1 ounce bars...and .07 on generic type 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:54 | 973571 papaswamp
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More panic buying coming...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 08:57 | 973579 dick cheneys ghost
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House of Saud raising wheat reserves.



Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:03 | 973584 Josh Randall
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Well God bless these Chinese for trying; but Hurricane Bernake is a Category 5 Storm of Shat, wonder how long these people can continue to act like all is clear 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:22 | 973628 gwar5
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How come raising rates and bank reserves is having no effect on inflation over there?

Benocide can stop inflation in just 15 minutes.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:35 | 973672 Snidley Whipsnae
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Ben said... "The rest of the world has an interest in the U.S. recovery that my policies are spurring."

Econ 101 quiz...

Since about 60% of dollars are held outside of US and Ben is printing lots more dollars... What happens to existing dollars? Or, more simply, will existing dollars purchase more or less commodities?


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:32 | 973662 tmosley
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As I noted before, raising interest rates is only going to increase inflation rather than decreasing it so long as they have their dollar peg.  It's like trying to stop flooding from a burst pipe by turning off a faucet.  You can stop some floods in that manner (when the problem is the drain), but it only makes a burst pipe worse, or has no effect (as the low interest rates were keeping foreign investors away, stopping their currency from being traded fro freshly printed Yuan).

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:15 | 974012 magis00
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Do these other countries have any flexibility to "unpeg" their currency?  If that happens, and they allow their currencies to float, international arbitrage staeks would change ... and US factories could start building iPods and Nike's and Levi's.  I guess that's the Bernank's plan?  Anyone buying that theory?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:17 | 974026 magis00
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Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:20 | 974037 magis00
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maybe "3 new posts" will get someone to read my question ...

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:50 | 974209 tmosley
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Yes, they do have that flexibility, as right now, they are ostensibly sending the fruits of their labors to the US for free, or at least, merely in exchange for cheap oil from the Saudis.

The thought is that Chinese unpegging their currency would raise its value vs the dollar, and thus send some of the industry we have lost over the last 30 years back here.  Problem is, the US is running a trade deficit with practically EVERYONE.  Chinese goods becoming more expensive will only shift US demand to Vietnamese, Indian, Malaysian, etc., goods.

The only way to return those industries and jobs to the US is to cut regulations first, then taxes.  Germany, Sweden, and other European manufacturing powerhouses do fairly well in a low regulation, high tax environment.  Of course, if the taxes were low, the industries would clamor towards them.  This is why Ireland did so well.  Unfortunately, they failed to curtail their spending like they should have, and instead took on debt to try to maintain the "European" level of entitlements.  Sad really.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 13:50 | 974903 magis00
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Interesting.  So this inflation via hot money in these developing countries is not very likely to get US manufacturing back (via unpegging, loss of economic "advantage", and redistribution of industry plan).  Just to ruin the world.  Got it.  Thanks for your reply tmosley.  PS - You enjoying the silver run-up?  If you're not visiting Turd's blog yet I highly recommend it.  Be well.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:35 | 973676 Johnny Lawrence
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When everything comes crashing down, there won't be a need to raise interest rates in the United States. 

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:45 | 973708 dick cheneys ghost
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bolivia heating up. 



Fri, 02/18/2011 - 09:48 | 973722 laserjock
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I know I'm being dense, but please explain the silver for rice trade?

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:05 | 973964 PulauHantu29
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Berries up 40% in two years...choclate Snickers Bars up 42% in two years...health insurance premiums up 38% in less then one year...

Cost of living increase = zero.

Bank Interest on my savings account 0.001%.

That's been my experience.

Fri, 02/18/2011 - 11:43 | 974158 steve from virginia
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When is the punditry going to take China's handwaving over hyperinflation for what it is?

China has no intention of taking any steps to curb hyperinflation. The RRR and teensy- weensy interest rate moves are for Bernanke and the Wall Street Journal.

The fact is that China cannot exit the Weimar cycle now even if it wanted to. China's establishment is at odds with its massive industrial sector that requires a flood of cheap yuan to function. Since much of this sector is state- owned the government of China is at odds with itself!

Chinese businesses buy yuan from the black market @ a discount to official rate: the flow of hot money dollars into China means more yuan and a hotter dollar/yuan trade. Cash dollar preference is starting to show up (again) all over the world in higher interest rates, lower bond prices, higher SHIBOR and EURIBOR rates, increased default risk and higher commodity prices. The higher prices amplify the yuan/dollar cycle turning the screw.

Best way to calculate China hyperinflation is to add 'official' inflation rate to GDP number: 1- 2% per month. This is all hyperinflation: the addition of more currency into circulation.

The weakness in China this second isn't real estate bubble sector but Chinese manufacturing hanging by a thread. Higher finished goods prices will cut margins for Chinese companies and put more out of business. Chinese response to this dynamic has been to build more factories! Good grief!

China's dilemma orbits its massive F/X reserves. It can have valuable reserves (dollars/euros) and cheap yuan or the other way around and this is a problem for China as its F/X reserves are clearly more dear to Beijing than anything else in the country. Makes sense since China has bulldozed its past in favor of the 'Las Vegas' styled waste- based economy in which everything but money is worthless.


Fri, 02/18/2011 - 15:03 | 975163 topcallingtroll
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Eventually the rest of the world will realize what you write is true.  For now there are some people who believe that China is actually trying to curb inflation.  If they really think this will work then the Chinese financial authorities are dumber than I think they are.  I am sure the Chinese authorities have to know that these baby steps to control inflation are less than useless.  However they are trapped.  they can't have their cake and eat it too, and now they are paralyzed between two unpalatable choices.  I have been a lone troll, crying out in the woods about this pending chinese disaster.  We have them by the short hairs, not the other way around!

Sat, 02/19/2011 - 04:46 | 977045 Youri Carma
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It’s Too Late For China To Stop Inflation Because of Stimulus Lag Effects. There’s no question that China will experience high inflation over the next few years says Andy Xie.

Due to lag effects of monetary policy and fiscal stimulus, the effects can’t be removed until a few years forward, 25 November 2010, (Business Insider) http://www.businessinsider.com/andy-xie-its-too-late-for-china-to-stop-i...

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