Chris Martenson Answers How Long The Party In Stocks Can Last

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Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:30 | 927883 jus_lite_reading
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Fact- the EU/UK/US empire is insolvent. What the Fed is doing is simply buying time. So far, they bought 2 years, 5 months. Little did they know, 2 years, 6 months is the limit of time. End of story.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:15 | 928066 Josh Randall
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@jus Here, Here great assessment! They are buying time until all their cronies have their golden parachutes ready and then the permanent answering machine message will be on at the Fed while the world burns and no one is seemingly at the throttle. Thats my prediction 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 15:18 | 928278 jus_lite_reading
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Have we met before? ;)

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 20:05 | 929254 Oracle of Kypseli
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Waiting for the five year statue of limitation? late Nov 07 to late Nov 12? 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 15:49 | 928395 Slim
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edited

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 17:53 | 928830 bunkermeatheadp...
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+1

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 16:03 | 928456 Larry Darrell
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I've almost convinced my dad to get his assests out of the game.  It has taken me longer than I ever dreamed to get this far.

I finally laid it on the line last night, as he asked me the same question posed by the author: "How much longer can it last."

I told him when oil hits $120/barrel, this round is over.  Deflation kicks in.  More last ditch programs. Rinse, repeat.

We had dot com.  Housing bubble gave us 6-7 years before the bust.  This bubble has given us almost 3 years already.  When oil hits $120 it blows again.

Notice the bubble half life getting shorter.  We've seen this with currency interventions around the world.  Half life is shorter and shorter.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:06 | 927769 BORT
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We need the old Volcker rule.  It will hurt everyone that was not short or in cash

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:10 | 927785 66Sexy
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perhaps the 2008 regulatory capture insures a permanent melt up condition for stocks?

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:07 | 927774 Jack
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What the fed sees is that the US government is bankrupted.  They can't fight inflation because they must monetize debt in order to keep the government financed.  For as long as it lasts.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:24 | 927865 gold mining ceo...
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They cannot raise borrowing costs as the interest component explodes and to top it off, it destroys any and all hope for the big banks to ever recover the enormity of their balance sheet losses.

 

Not sure why Martenson need so many lines to state the obvious.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:48 | 927953 SheepDog-One
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Good article, but yes 1 paragraph could have sufficed stating all the FED has is lies and massive injections of fake money so they can live to pump the BS again tomorrow.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 15:18 | 928277 RockyRacoon
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How much fun would 1 paragraph have been?  A fella can't catch a break around here!

Too much info -- or too little.  

I thought it was just right!

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 17:05 | 928629 DaveyJones
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thank you Goldilocks

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 19:42 | 929191 RockyRacoon
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Thank you for bearing with me.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 18:11 | 928648 milbank
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"How long the stock market rally will last is therefore unknowable, but stocks and bonds and commodities will remain elevated in price for as long as the Fed continues to dump hundreds of billions of thin-air money into the markets."

Wow!  I never would have guessed. 

As usual with Martenson, he uses a lot of words to give me an answer I already know or tell me in a long-winded article that he doesn't know the answer to the question he proffered he had an answer to.

Thu, 02/03/2011 - 13:42 | 931456 Eman Laer
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Suggestion: Don't read Martenson. That way you won't have a reason to make posts like the above.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 15:49 | 928401 Popo
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The Fed probably sees very little.  Religious zealots never do.

 

 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:07 | 927775 NOTW777
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"by the time the Fed becomes institutionally aware that inflation is raging"

they know now - this isnt a matter of becoming "aware"

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 16:17 | 928503 redpill
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Exactly, I don't understand how CM doesn't see this. The Fed knows there is inflation, and more coming. Even if they wanted to stop it, they couldn't. Raising rates substantially is not an option.

They will print until the current dollar dies, and their Wall Street buddies will use all the increasingly worthless paper money to run up stocks and suppress PM prices until the eleventh hour when they finally bail into commodities and gold so they have a stake in the new dollar. Everyone else is fucked, of course.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 17:18 | 928671 sushi
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They would have to rotate out of 350 billion plus of equity investments. Who are they going to offload that to?

Foreign investors? I think what is taking place is more visible from outside the US than within it.

Public? The same folks who face stagnant incomes, declining home equity, lack of credit, and higher living costs? These folks are going to snap up 350 billion in equities?

Pension funds? These are still trying to come to grips with the utterly fantastic quality of the MBS they purchased.

My sense is the TBTF are plowing into equities as they have no other outlet for the cash. They aren't lending. And when they attempt to exit they all know 350 big ones will not fit through the narrow exits all at once.

So what is the exit plan. I don'tthink they have one. This is just mindless improvisation with no concept of how it will play out. It is Wile E Coyote out over the canyon, feet churning like mad, trying to get to the non existent other side.

 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:07 | 927777 Racer
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The Fed are trying to build a barricade with a house of leaves to fool everyone into thinking that if they can't see the tsunami of debt approaching it doesn't exist and won't cause any problems... until.... like a tsunami.....

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:09 | 927781 dick cheneys ghost
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no inflation in iceland................hmm, wonder why

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:12 | 927795 EZYJET PILOT
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There is no recovery, show us one without the aid of QE, then it's a recovery. Stocks are going up but so what, you're spending power is down to the same magnitude. The fed is still a fraud and the crooked banks are still profiteering from the collusion with POMO.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:13 | 927799 Johnny Lawrence
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Bernanke & Obama know the stock market is their only hope to keep power.  Obama even led off with a stock market reference in his SOTU

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:19 | 928078 crosey
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IMHO, they have already lost their power, but are riding the bomb all the way to the ground. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

They've painted themselves into a corner in which neither has either the brains or will to admit, and remediate.

 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 20:48 | 929401 LooseLee
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Well, this manipulation of the stock market is a fom of COMMUNISM! It is immoral and against EVERY tenent this country was founded on! I cannot believe the sheeple of the USSA tolerate it. We mock the Egyptians and ohers who stand of for what is right and just. We have become the Russia of the 60's and 70's and the HYPOCRITES of the modern age with our crony capitalism. The banksters, traders, money managers and others who participate in this ponzi lack integrity and have no business calling themselves an American. Heads off for any and all who support this communist policy in the USSA!

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:15 | 927808 thepigman
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What demons the fed is reacting to?

Lack of loan growth at the TBTF bankster

level....increased debt has launched every recovery

in the past 30 years. This time the debt is too massive

to go higher, so Benron has been feeding the TBTFs

 speculative stock gains while hoping for loan

growth. Forget about it. It's over.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:18 | 927827 thepigman
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The demon is that the TBTFs are now so

big they can no longer feed themselves

and are going to starve.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:49 | 927959 SheepDog-One
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Yes exactly correct I believe.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:16 | 927812 Quinvarius
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They will print until the banks become solvent.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:23 | 927857 thepigman
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Actually, he won't print beyond QE2

because inflation kills banking, and

banking is Benron's master. The bankster

herd must be thinned more dramatically

for banking to survive and this what keeps Benron up at

night.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:26 | 927967 SheepDog-One
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'Too big to fail'...man Ive been hearing that from these assclowns for 2 1/2 years and you can believe how I want to punch their teeth down their throats every time I hear these ivory tower bastards say it. Too big to fail...bunch of rotten dirtbag suits, while they see 320 million people as nothing but useless eater interest payment slaves. We'll see how it all works out, pensioners not able to afford a scrap of food and Egypt riots right here!

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:48 | 928184 Nels
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Inflation kills banking?  Maybe the small town banks, but not TBTF banks.  Inflation benefits those who get to handle the new money first, and that's the big banks.  As long as they get 3% on the Fed/Treasury arbitrage, why should they fear inflation?

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:32 | 927893 LostWages
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"They will print until the banks become solvent."

So true...also until the pension funds aren't underfunded.  Stealth bailout with market gains.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:53 | 927974 SheepDog-One
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And in doing so, theyll have their vaults full of totaly worthless dollars, pensioners can still get their check, maybe, but that wont matter since gas will be $15 a gallon and food will be so high no one can afford anything.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:17 | 927818 LongSoupLine
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Hmm, NatGas the only big underperformer and it's announced BP is now under investigation for NG price supression.

 

Other than that...silver beotchez! 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:56 | 927986 I am a Man I am...
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price suppression??  n

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:18 | 927819 alexwest
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i dont understand either im fucking smart, or rest of is fucking stupid..

# "QE3 may get discussed" at future Fed meetings, as #Kansas City Fed President Thomas Hoenig said on Feb 1st?

why everybody think QE is gonna stop??? does anybody understand that sole purpose is QE_nnn is monetize debt or FINANCE US FEDETAL DEFICIT..

does this idiot 'Chris Martenson' undeRstand anything about federal budget AKA real money not bullshit meaningless stats from BEA\BLS\etc..

US GOV SPEND 2 $ FOR EACH 1$ IN TAXES.. PEriod.. its that simple... or basically US GOV is bankrupt , and no matter what FED/COngress/Treasury do in 2,3 eyars
its gonna BE HYPER INFLATION .. 20-30-50% per year..

NOBODY CANT PRINT 100% OF REVENUES W/OUT 'CONSEQUENCES.'

no matter what stats fo GDP/BLS/ are.. this hole cant be digged out.. even doubling all taxes wont balance budget..

so my point is WHY to be SURPIZEd.. ???

alx

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:39 | 927921 Commander Cody
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Actually, we're all fucking stupid for letting this happen.  Too bad.  You have it correct, in my opinion.  The Fed will not stop printing until the great implosion, wherein, we are all screwed, except for the the very rich.  They'll have their PMs and exhorbitant amounts of worthless fiat to tide them over.  They'll even have the support of the military, for a while.  The government has been bought - lock, stock and barrel by the TBTFs, and, has been creating the socialist state of their dreams while totally ignoring the cost.  Greed has brought us to this point in time.  Fiscal reality will one day dawn on this "market" and then it will not be greed that drives it, but fear and survival.  Are you prepared?

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:33 | 928142 alien-IQ
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When you socialize the losses and privatize the profits, that's not called "socialism" that called FASCISM!

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 17:06 | 928631 Commander Cody
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The government has been bought - lock, stock and barrel by the TBTFs

Agreed - we have a fascist government; however, entitlements galore for the common folk = socialism.  So, it must be a hybrid: fascist/socialist.  Certainly not democratic or federalist or a republic.

 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:54 | 927979 ATM
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20-30-50% per year???

Try per day or hour then maybe it makes more sense. When it hits people can't spend every dollar they have fast enough. It will all come flooding in and prices shoot up by the second until no one will accept a worthless dollar for a real thing.

 

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:18 | 927820 Johnny Lawrence
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I like this line:

Very few people complain about adding thin-air money; a crowd roars its disapproval for the reverse.

This is the shit I've been telling my clients on a daily basis. It's like dealing with retards.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:50 | 927962 gravitas
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amen to that.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:56 | 927987 SheepDog-One
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Well Ive been complaining about adding thin air money all along. I dont know about the crowds roars of disaproval for the reverse, well those ones will be starving retards pretty quick.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 14:09 | 928036 kornholio
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+111111111

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 15:28 | 928311 Seer
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Pulling the tit away should be pretty easy to explain.  If you want difficulty, try getting people to understand the dynamics of "economies of scale" in reverse.  I've been trying to push this out there for quite a while.  I think that if people take a minute or two they can come up with the visual on what this means... but, everyone's been so brainwashed into believing that it all goes on forever.

Not only does the Fed NOT have an exit plan, but the System doesn't as well.  That which cannot go on forever, won't.  The question that people need to ask is: do you have Your own exit plan?

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 13:18 | 927826 Blindweb
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The Fed is fully aware of the inflation they're creating.  The fed knows this is the end game for the current system.  Survival is all they care about. 

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