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Chris Martenson Exclusive: New Photos Of Fukushima Reactors

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Submitted by Chris Martenson

Exclusive: new photos of Fukushima reactors

Noting that the press has largely turned its resources off of the Fukushima complex, and needing up-to-date information on the status of the damage control efforts there, we secured the most up-to-date satellite photo from DigitalGlobe (dated March 31st), which we analyze below. This is the first photo of the damaged reactor site at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear facility made available to the public in over a week. That means you, our readers, are the first public eyes anywhere to see this photo.

Drawing upon the expertise of our resident nuclear engineer and Ann Stringer, imaging expert, we conclude that the situation at Fukushima is not stabilized: things are not yet at a place of steady progress in the containment and clean-up efforts. It's still a dance, forwards and backwards, with the workers making gains here and there and the situation forcing them to react defensively.

In this report, we will tell you what we know for sure, what we are nearly certain of, and what we remain forced to speculate about.

Here is a portion of a much larger image (covering 25 square kilometers in total) showing the reactor complex as of March 31, at roughly mid-day:

Photo Credit, 2011, DigitalGlobe

What We Can See

Here's what we can directly observe in the larger satellite image:

  • Steam is still rising from reactors #2, #3 (circled in green) and #4.
  • Of the four reactor buildings, three are nearly or totally destroyed, while the outside (at least) of the fourth is in relatively better shape.
  • We can count 7 fire trucks 'on site' with another 7 just to the north, all with water lines strung out across the ground.
  • There is only one ship/vessel to be seen, located inside of the breakwater and nearly as far to the north as it can go inside that boundary.
  • A significant number of the vehicles that can be seen at the core of the site have not moved since the first released photos on March 12.  
  • There is a parking lot slightly to the north and west with approximately 250 passenger vehicles in it and a side lot with 30 large green tanks neatly arranged in rows.
  • The rest of the area is one, two, and four lane roads (no traffic at all), worked farmland, residential and commercial areas, mostly empty parking lots, and two baseball diamonds.

Here's what we don't see

  • Nowhere in the 25 km area in the main photo can we find anything that looks like a staging area with a large collection of assets such as tanker trucks, pumpers, cement trucks, piles of pre-staged materials, ambulances, and fire trucks.
  • The cement pumper truck seen a week ago has been apparently replaced by the boom at reactor #4.
  • There's no obvious barge delivering fresh water for the rector cooling efforts as recently reported (it may have come and gone?).
  • Any obvious changes to the roofs of any of the reactors.
  • Any people outside the plants working.

Things we can logically conclude

The steam that is venting is a mixed blessing. It implies that cooling water is getting to some hot material, which is a good thing, but it also means that something is hot enough to vaporize water and the continued release of radioactivity into the surrounding environment.

This means that the lack of steam coming from reactor #1 is either a very good sign, or a very bad sign. Good because it could mean that the containment vessels are intact and cooling water is circulating. Bad because it could imply that no water is getting to it and it is a very hot mass right now. According to TEPCO, reactor #1 has had seawater, and now freshwater, circulating through the reactor vessel - and since both containment vessels are intact, we'll conclude the lack of steam is a good sign.

The situation at Fukushima is going to drag on for years. First there's the matter of stabilizing the situation which has not yet been fully achieved. Recent surprises in terms of the amounts and locations of radioactivity are one sign that the situation is not fully stabilized. Still, nothing has blown up in quite a while, the steam venting appears consistent, and the major surprises seem to be over for now. While the TEPCO workers are still reacting to things as they arise, these are smaller things than last week, which is another hopeful sign.

The detected presence of neutron beams, I-134, and radioactive chlorine are all strongly supportive of the idea that criticality has resumed. Our best guess is that these are localized pockets, probably of short duration, and do not involve the entire core mass of any particular reactor conflagrating in some gigantic, greenish blob of uncontrolled fission. The geometries of the fuel in relation to neutron moderators requires precise conditions to support sustained fission and so it is rather unlikely to be occurring in anything other than localized pockets. If the entire reactor in its fully operational state was capable of supporting what we might scale to 100% fission, the amount of fission happening after a partial (or complete) meltdown will be a far lesser percentage. Still, any amount of fission is unwelcome at this point because it is adding to the heat and radiation removal difficulties.

The constantly rising levels of radioactivity found in the seawater are a further unwelcome development, but without a proper isotope analysis we cannot conclude anything about the potential resumption of fission from their gross amounts alone. It's always possible that the leftover fission products are now being washed in larger amounts into the sea for some reason.

Additional Drone Photos

These are the most detailed photos yet to emerge into the public space (released yesterday, March 31, as far as I know), and they are purported to come from a drone flyover on March 20 and 24th.  They are really quite good, and worth viewing in their entirety here.

Beginning with reactor 3, one thing we can say is, this thing is a right proper mess:

(Source for all that follow) 

There's a significant hole to the left of center that goes deep into the sub-structure (with a strange greenish cast that we've not been able to resolve after much conjecture) and it's clear that this building alone will take a long time to resolve.

Interestingly, we get our clearest image yet of the hole in turbine building #3 that was created by something ejected into the air during the reactor #3 explosion.

Looking like one of those cartoon cutouts that happens when the coyote hits the ground, we get the impression that whatever it was happened to be quite heavy and possibly shaped like an Apollo capsule. It has been my suspicion, which contradicts the official story, that the concrete containment vessel was what actually blew up in reactor #3 and I have been looking for evidence of in the form of large, heavy chunks of concrete (especially the refueling plug) lying about. I don't know what made this hole in the roof of the turbine building, but it was heavy.

Reactor #4 provides us with proof that serious damage can result from the effects of an overheated spent fuel storage pool:

Here the watering boom can be clearly seen. A camera was recently attached to the boom and it took some interior shots which were suggestive of the idea that the spent fuel pool is damaged and largely drained of water. Spraying water into this pool, then, is probably a balancing act with the desire to spray enough water on the rods to keep them cool being offset by the risk of having radioactive water drain away for parts unknown.

Almost certainly this same balancing act defines the efforts for reactors #2 and #3 as well.

Conclusions

The efforts at Fukushima are probably weeks away from even basic stabilization and we are years away from any sort of a final resolution. This crisis is going to be with all of us for a very long time. Radiation will continue to escape from the complex into the environment for weeks at best, months or years at worst.

The chief concern here is that things might still take a turn for the worse whereby radiation spikes to levels that prevent humans from getting close enough to perform meaningful operations and work on the site. If the radiation spikes high enough it will force an evacuation from the vicinity complicating every part of what has to happen next from monitoring to remediation.

The general lack of staged materials anywhere in the vicinity indicates that authorities have not yet decided on a plan of action, feeding our assessment that they are still in 'react mode' and that we are weeks away from nominal stabilization.

On Thursday we learned from the Wall Street Journal that TEPCO only had one stretcher, a satellite phone, 50 protective suits, and only enough dosimeters to give a single one to each worker group. Given this woeful level of preparation it is not surprising to see that regular fire trucks, cement trucks, and a lack of staged materials comprise much of the current damage control mix.

We don't yet know enough to conclude how much fission has spontaneously re-occurred, but we have strong suspicions that the number is higher than zero. Here we make our call for the release of more complete and timely radiation readouts and sampling results by TEPCO and Japan so that we can assess what the true risks are. The situation remains fluid and quite a lot depends now on chance and which way the wind blows. 

And as I detailed in the Alert report I issued soonafter the tragic events of the Japan earthquake and tsunami on March 10th, the impact of Japan's tribulations on the global economy will be large and vast. World markets are simply unpreapared for the third-largest economy to suddenly and violently downshift. The persisting crisis at Fukushima simply worsens the picture.

As always, we'll continue montioring developments closely and reporting our findings and conclusions on this site.

best,

Chris

 

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Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:31 | 1127248 espirit
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I hope someone will take the time to read wiki's take on the Chernobyl disaster, especially the releases of radioisotopes. Iodine-131 is punk stuff with a halflife of 8 days, Caesium-137 (also a gamma emiter) with a HL of 28 years, and Strontium-90 ????

Cs-137 most likely accompanied I-131 in aerosol form to parts of the globe where supposedly only I-131 has been detected.

Beware the govt sponsored half truths and continued daily accumulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster#International_spread_of_radioactive_substances

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:43 | 1127432 d_senti
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Here's a map I made using teh intersphere. I superimposed the Chernobyl fallout pattern onto Japan to scale. Obviously won't be accurate, but gives you an idea of what we're dealing with. I also made a circle around the 100km radius from the plant, since TD and others believe the evac zone will eventually be extended that far. Here you go:

http://i56.tinypic.com/28a21x4.jpg

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 01:44 | 1127483 AnonymousAnarchist
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If Greenpeace knows how to use radiation detector, then radiation is higher outside the evacuation zone than what has been published.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 03:01 | 1127557 Ivan
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The Essence of American Power

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_q1fX4cyZ0

Free market fascism is the only sustainable free market system. Free markets are inherently unstable. That's not a bad thing, but economic cycles produce unemployment which can lead to revolution, or destruction of capital by the government to create demand for excess human supply (e.g. The Great Depression). If being poor and unemployed was a crime then revolutions/destruction of capital wouldn't happen. The first country to adopt free market fascism will experience huge economic growth because the bourgeoisie will be able to accumulate capital exponentially, and replace obsolete human workers with machines without any government intervention to protect the proletariat. In the end, such an economy will attain 90-95% of the world GDP. Everyone else will become mere natural resource exporters because keynesian/socialist/marxist economies won't be able to compete with free market fascism.

Free market fascism comprises 3 social classes:
The 1st (ruling) class consists of people who guard and regulate the system, and protect the capitalists from jealous proletarians (the artificially created middle class in the USA). If there are elections within this system, then only members of this class can vote. Though consulting the capitalist class is still possible. 1 to 10 million people are needed for this class. Tax revenue (approximately 10% of the GDP) from exploitation of capitalists is distributed more or less equally among members of the ruling class. They are the shareholders.
2nd class: capitalists, entrepreneurs, investors, speculators, lenders, rentiers, etc. Up to 1 million people.
3rd class: proletarians, including highly skilled workers, scientists and intellectuals. They are needed in the beginning, but most of them will eventually be replaced with machines and AI. Up to 100 million people.
Japan and Germany have huge economies, yet relatively small territories (less than 400,000 km2). In free market fascism a large population won't be needed either. A territory of similar size can be created (sea platform/artificial island), or the population of a country that nobody cares about can be displaced (Somalia, Colombia, Uganda, etc.)

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 03:53 | 1127574 Selah
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Yippie!

I'm a second class citizen!

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 07:51 | 1127642 i-dog
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Errrr ... breaking concrete. Literally. :) (though not surprising given that the concrete is 40 years old and permeated with salt water eating at the steel reo bars, which expand as they rust).

What the fuck are they trying to fool the sheeple with now?

1,000mSv/hr? Isn't that the reported upper limit of their on-site dosimeters? It could just as easily be 21,560mSv/hr!

Small crack in a drainage channel? How about they explain that the highly radioactive water must have first come from a crack/hole in the reactor core, or from fission reactions in the spent fuel tubs! (I hesitate to call them "pools", since there appears to be no water in them).

Meanwhile, in other amusing TEPCO news of the day: TEPCO submitted a report to the prefecture government 2 days ago (on March 31st) with plans for expansion of the Fukushima Daiichi facility!!!

They just continue to look more and more competent by the minute.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:53 | 1127668 espirit
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According to wiki on the Chernobly disaster at the link I mentioned previously, there were only 6 tons of fuel rods (spent or otherwise), compared to NuKuFuKu which has...??? - alot more than that.

All detectable radiation forms from Japan come from a (or many) fission reaction(s).

Fri, 07/15/2011 - 04:50 | 1458612 robins
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Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:10 | 1127897 Oh regional Indian
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The perception management game is being played in full force, so that the "public" will not know, as usual, till it's too late. The stories out of GOM have to be read/heard/seen to be believed. 

What makes men who play these games do so, is beyond the pale of our common understanding of decency and goodness (basic tenets). it plays well with the false Darwinian dogma of the rule of the jungle (in itself mis-represented), the survival of the fittest.

Fittest for what?

ORI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:33 | 1127698 XPolemic
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Sounds like Ted Kaczynski.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:57 | 1127800 snowball777
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Laughably stupid.

a) free markets and fascism are diametrically opposed concepts

b) any system without class mobility would lead to revolution anyway (10M proles will not idly sit by when 'guarded' by 1)

c) you can't replace 100M people with machines and AI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:14 | 1128027 JeffB
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Nah. The instability and boom/bust cycles we've experienced are not an inherent part of free markets. They are a result of jumps and drops in the money supply distorting things.  That can happen via fractional reserve banking, but our problems have been primarily the result of central banks - in our case, the FED - trying to push the economy beyond its sustainable limits. That works for awhile, but when we've stretched the rubber band too far for too long it snaps back, sometimes with a vengengce.

See the nice power point presentation by Roger W. Garrison, Auburn Professor of Economics on the causes of the topic compliments of YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhoFOyy7rbo

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:34 | 1127702 goldfish1
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More sickening news:

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110402D02JF750.htm

Source Of Toxic Leaks Found At Japan Nuclear Plant

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--A source of highly radioactive water escaping into the ocean from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was identified Saturday, but authorities weren't able to say if the discovery will stop the ongoing contamination that has already spread 40 kilometers (25 miles) into the open seas.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501), the operator of the plant, said it has found a 20-centimeter crack in a two-meter-deep chamber holding cables for the No. 2 reactor, which is believed to be leaking highly toxic water from its nuclear core.

more at link...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:49 | 1127713 goldfish1
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http://investmentwatchblog.com/the-environmental-threat-grows-fukushima-...

TEPCO is considering using a large artificial floating island, a so-called ”megafloat,” to store the tainted water, the agency said,

Here's more:

http://e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110401D01JFF02.htm

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:05 | 1127729 Stuck on Zero
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What a joke.  There must be 100s of oil tankers and liquid transport barges available for the job.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:56 | 1127804 snowball777
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Or a Godzilla-class Maxi-pad...

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:33 | 1127933 goldfish1
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A giant radioactive diaper...I LIKE it.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:32 | 1127699 espirit
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Good start. However the prevailing wind was from the west/northwest, and probably north from indicated readings in Tokyo.  A previous article in ZH had/has realtime geiger readings, and flow maps showing atmospheric dispersal of radioisotope, which ebb and flow in all directions. Now where is that link???

The importance of Chernobyl to remember is that it was much worse than initially reported.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:45 | 1127708 goldfish1
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Thank you.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:15 | 1127827 espirit
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Jim in MN has some real good info on the second half of the second page of posts, but don't forget to read all (well most).

Be afraid, very afraid.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:32 | 1126825 Bazooka
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Many are scratching their heads wondering how can the market not tank with an earthqauke shattering, tsunami catastrophe and nuclear meltdown augmented by MENA riots and deaths.

For those who linearly extrapolate, it's a truly WTF moment.

Sentiment is still very uber optimistice (analysts are uber bullish on BTFD, Gold, Silver, nothing can kill this market, all on the same side of bullish ledger).

When sentiment turns, many will ironically scatch their heads as to how the market can plunge or collapse when unemployment is decreasing as well as other positive economic indicators.

I await that turn in sentiment. I am incrementally increasing my shorts (though at a net loss for the year, i admit)....however, when sentiment turns negative, it'll be a spectacular show for the exits.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:44 | 1126859 Monkey Craig
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Money printing very positive for asset prices. Plus, wars are inflationary. Thing about the Roman Empire or the American Confederacy. Both were ravaged by inflation during their wars.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:45 | 1126864 cossack55
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and you know what happens at the exits when the herd is stampeded.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:27 | 1127069 kaiserhoff
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Working only with farm boy engineering so consider the source, but these nice, circular exclusion zones are crappola cubed.

For the benefit of flat-landers (I was one for 22 years) surface winds around mountains and coasts have little to do with winds aloft.  It is a little scary the first time you see clouds going due east and surface winds at a ninety degree angle, but common.  Mountains create a natural wind break and often wind sheer.  Large bodies of water create odd temperature variances that greatly affect air flow.  A meteorologist would give a more elegant description, but here's the bottom line.

Surface winds will often follow the valleys, where highways, train tracks, streams, and cities lie, regardless of what winds aloft appear to be doing. 

Cities exhibit a heat island effect.  Excess heat produced in the cities rises, and pulls in cold air from the surrounding country-side.  Not good news for Tokyo.  The radiated areas from Chernobyl are NOT circular or regular.  Sabe dios.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:46 | 1127341 Oh regional Indian
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kaiser, thanks for that brief but en-lightening take on patterns to pay attention to.

Farm-boy engineering works best.

ORI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:38 | 1127425 old naughty
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ORI,

back to simple farm-communities, eh?

Our continuing non-believing may require a new planet to re-build that on tho.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 02:28 | 1127529 Oh regional Indian
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Old N, back indeed is the way forward now. More than ever.

And I have some plans for terra (firma or otherwise, we shall see).

The place to plant the seed is not too clear....yet! ;-)

ORI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:08 | 1127730 Pchelar
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I think it was GK Chesterton who once quipped that if one is on the wrong path, than the only way to correct the matter is to go back to where one started.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:04 | 1127813 Oh regional Indian
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Wise words Pc. Especially if the fork on the road is a long way back, eh?

ORI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:33 | 1127849 old naughty
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Pc. Back to [live] the future, literally. But the deed is in, consciousness speaking.

Some would see bury in the sea is solution and I asked for whose benefits, see my earlier post below.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/chris-martenson-exclusive-new-photos-fukushima-reactors#comment-1127410

The Horseman's arrow would just keep hitting until we follow the fork back to simple [and live from the heart] life or else...one wonders if china syndrome could in-deed happen, splitting Earth?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:37 | 1127851 Spalding_Smailes
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Wow ....... 


Goldman Sachs Almost Doubles Blankfein Pay Package to $19 Million for 2010

....... Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) awarded Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Lloyd C. Blankfein $19 million in compensation for 2010, almost double the prior year, and granted him the first cash bonus in three years. " .........................

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-04-02/goldman-sachs-almost-doubles-bl...

 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 04:19 | 1127579 Straykitty
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Here in Central Texas, we plan small farming by the winds, which are almost constant.  The weather map isobars, in patterns past, placed us in the dead zone between the northwestern flow from the Pacific coast and the south winds ffrom the Gulf of Mexico.  Recent upheavals have distorted these patterns.  For instance, this week we had a 40-degree temperature variance with 20-mile-an-hour winds and a humidity factor of 32 percent.  That, in anyone's book, is a killing situation.

It's hands-on, loving care, for anything planted in the ground.  What with natural gas frackking putting saline in the ground water and the rain containing residue from Core Exit, you require a farm-boy engineering degree just to grow a tomato.  Our environment, alas, will seem like Paradise for poor Japan.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:30 | 1127653 tip e. canoe
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kitty,  u may want to consider exploring EM (effective microorganisms) for your soil:

http://www.agriton.nl/apnanman.html

ironically enough, the EM product was developed in Japan.   it helps soils that suffer from high salinity and toxicity.  the stuff is not cheap, but a little goes an extremely long way and if you get really good at it, you can learn how to make it yourself.  

it's magic stuff and your plants will love you for it.  i've been using as a foliar spray on a little winter garden project in an environment much like what you described but colder and i had greens galore.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:40 | 1127705 goldfish1
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It's hands-on, loving care, for anything planted in the ground.

Ain't it the truth. even then a bout of too much water can kill the best of efforts.

Thanks for the reminder to be grateful for and mindful of the years of plenty.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:49 | 1127791 Oh regional Indian
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Core Exit indeed Straykitty. 

We need to dig deep for original wisdom. What is happening now has hapened before and the species came through. Who though? And how?

Wonder which mindless moron junked your insightful comment.

ORI

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:41 | 1127858 old naughty
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Straykitty,

The discipline to never harm earth (soil) must be adhered to by all living here. Perhaps ZH2 can be started to inform/advise on farming matters?

I am afraid massive removal will likely take place soon if Japanese would like to see/feel/enjoy paradise. Hell is revealing itself soon. :-(((((((((((

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:30 | 1127409 Stormdancer
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Not to mention the role of rainfall.  A rainstorm can result in much higher levels of contamination in pockets much further from the reactors than closer spots that didn't get rained on while the radioactive cloud was passing over.

 

You're so right about the folly of these neatly traced circles....thanks for the post.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:58 | 1127671 moneymutt
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I really don't understand the circle thing, on Fachel Maddow show that has done some decent intermittent coverage on this and who actually lets her expert guests talk a bit, they put a really rough map together that pretty much explained the high readings in the one town just outside mandatory exclusion zone...there was a line of problems pointing right in the direction of that town which may likely be due to prevailing winds, topography etc. I know Japan has a lot on their plate but you couldn't get radiation experts from even a smallish country to do the task of figure out a "contour" map of contamination around the plant once a week? I likely the edges of the contours look like a many pointed star, or maybe a lot like the topo contours are the area.

This is a hugely important issue, there are some areas that may have valuable businesses, factories, that are in the circle that maybe are not all that bad to go to to do some recovery for, they have bodies lying around...and then there are other areas that should be evacuated now that are not.

Circle, really? This is all you got along a mountainous coast line, circles?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:48 | 1126875 goldfish1
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Many are scratching their heads wondering how can the market not tank

Jim Willie:

http://news.goldseek.com/GoldenJackass/1300910400.php

 

"Call it the EMERGENCY G-7 YEN SELLING PACT or coordinated Japanese support, no matter. It will become the biggest, most grandiose coordinated monetary initiative in modern history...

They can rescue the Yen, but not the USDollar, the new toilet paper with green embroidery.

Tremendous emergency funds have been appropriated and set aside by the Japanese Govt for financial market rescue & support. More funds have been devoted for relief efforts, worker crews, earthquake & tsunami cleanup, body retrieval & searches, and reconstruction. The price will be even larger than reconstruction & relief efforts. A total national meltdown is being averted, or delayed."

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 09:54 | 1127706 moneymutt
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Japan has their own currency to do with what they wish because they have their own central bank and their debt is internal, no bond vigilantes, no spikes in interest, whole country bears burden in interest paid/interest rec'd, there can be generations that relatively win/lose but burden is spead and no foreigner like Soros will get rich off their misery, which means such money will be retained in their country. 

Have you noticed that even tho Japan has lower per person GDP than U.S.their population was much better off, had much higher standard of living than general U.S. worker, even with our higher GDP. All those cars and house in videos of tsunami were very nice. No pockets of extreme poverty like in Katrina videos. Older people retire and living in nice, decent houses with nice clothes etc. So they make good wages, have good social safety net AND their businesses are doing well, competing all over the world, exporting big time.

And Japan also had more debt per GDP than Portugal and Greece before this happened  and still their country has not collapsed. To me it is a sign of monetary/financial system that works for the good of the people, in general, and does not leave their banking and money printing capabilites overly in the hands of elites or to the wolves of foreign rich monied interests.

And that supposed lost decade, not so lost for Japanese worker, stock prices and real estate values are not the only measure of wealth...in fact when real estate dropped, cost of living in Japan got much more affordable. 

This will no doubt be very very hard on Japan, but given their more patriotic and nationally loyal monetary and finanical set up, they weather immensely better than many other, even very rich, countries would.

Think about it, if you are a worker, your wages are high, unemployement is steady a less than 4 percent, you have good benefits, everyone can retire nicely at a decent age, there are few poor/destiture people in your country, your govt provides excellent infrastructure and services you domestic businessses are doing well and exporting, but national real estate prices and stock prices have gone down, how do you feel about life? They had a HORRILBE bubble burst, at one point there real estate values in Tokyo were 350 times higher than Manhattan. Think of how bad off U.S. would be right now if real estate and stocks had dropped 70-80 percent, rather than what has occured, and yet you have not seen tent cities and mass destitution in Japan, Japanese worker not even a bad off as current Ireland after after their real estate bubble etc. If you are a rich investor in assets, how do you feel? The lost decade(s) in Japan were lost investments in due to an aging country with little population, but even tho they young Japanese warkers are supporting their elders very well, the workers did just fine.

Its not that all has been rosy in Japan, that they don't have corruption issues, a mafia, and maladaptive use of resources and that there are not some very poor people, but relatively speaking, they have done much better by their people with their wealth than many countries.

Some food for thought on Japans economics

" Between 1990-2007, GDP per working age adult increased by 31.8% in the United States, by 29.6% in EU.15 and by 31.0% in Japan. The figures are nearly identical! Japan has simply not been growing slower than other advanced countries once we adjust for demographic change. That's pretty interesting. Is Japan's "Lost Decade" (more like two decades now) just a statistical artifact caused by an aging workforce? ....Japan's productivity per hour worked, it's worth noting, is well below U.S. and European levels no matter how you measure it."

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/02/the-myth-of-japans-lost-decades/71741/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-brown/why-the-japanese-governme_b_842868.html

http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2009/02/what-was-lost-and-found-in-japans-lost-decade.html

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2010/05/japans-lost-decade-not-really-lost

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/04/02/think_again_japans_lost_decade

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/10/will-america-come-to-envy-japans-lost-decade.html

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/gros18/English

 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:01 | 1127809 snowball777
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You think the 95% of public debt owned internally will remain so when millions have to flee their poisoned island?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:45 | 1127862 cosmictrainwreck
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touche

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:27 | 1127923 AnAnonymous
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The contamination is there for sure. No exodus by millions. The contaminated environment will be shipped away, dropped on other populations, japanese people will bite the bullets and accept their life is going to be shortened by days, months or years.

Sun, 04/03/2011 - 01:00 | 1129250 moneymutt
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I can't predict the result of this disaster, likely not going to be that bad, likely to really pollute much of Japan and nearby ocean to some degree and pollute many other places, likely to cause all sorts of trouble in food supply etc...

 

My point is a seperate one, if you are surprised Japan is not collapsing as much as other countries I think there are financial/monetary reasons and we should pay attention, because our central bank is not so interested in our common wealth and our debt is owned by many foreigners that do not even have to worry about the pitchforks and torches like doemstic politicians do...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:07 | 1126917 MGA_1
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I think we are watching the graceful trasition of the US from the service economy into the printing economy...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:16 | 1127049 Id fight Gandhi
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I am one of thm scratching his head.

In addition we have:

Oil soaring, which up until 2 weeks ago took the market down on every blip up, thats gone

Worsening house data, that never matter anyway

More MENA fights without end

Eurozone collapsing while nobody cares

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:52 | 1127272 RoRoTrader
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salute

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:33 | 1127413 sagerxx
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second that.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 02:06 | 1127501 AnAnonymous
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Many are scratching their heads wondering how can the market not tank with an earthqauke shattering, tsunami catastrophe and nuclear meltdown augmented by MENA riots and deaths.

 

It would be good to read this site cosmetics experts on this topic: scratching one's head fastens hair loss, so what about shampoos, hair  lotion and all?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:39 | 1126842 TerraHertz
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The hole in the turbine hall would easily have been made by a piece of the concrete roof slab of the #3 reactor building coming down. Most people seem to get the impression the reactor building roof materials were something light, but it's not so. They were concrete slab, lying on sheet metal formwork, laid on top of the steel girder frame you can still see on #4. Look to the corners of #4 - you can see some sections of the concrete still in place.

With #3, the H explosion was sufficient to launch most of the concrete slab straight up. Examine the best quality video of the explosion, and you can see large sections of the roofing slab falling back down from the peak of the plume. Long way down.

Which is not to say the #3 explosion didn't involve ejection of reactor core materials. At first view I thought it must have. But now I think it really could have been just the roof, with falling debris and implosion rebound explaining the 'crushed inwards' look of the wreckage.

With #1, the roof structure clearly lifted only a little, then fell back down into the pool hall, wrapping itself over the machinery in there like a wet blanket.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1126849 bob_dabolina
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"The hole in the turbine hall would easily have been made by a piece of the concrete roof slab of the #3 reactor building coming down"

I doubt it. If you look at the video and observe the physical damage that concrete was mostly pulverized into dust during that explosion. I would imagine it would have to be something harder like steel (part of the crane?) or possibly something having to do with the storage of spent fuel rods

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:13 | 1126972 TerraHertz
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No. There are two distinct and separate forms of damage to the turbine hall roofs. One kind is due to a nearly horizontal spray of rubble, likely from the side walls of the reactor buildings blowing out. This material is concrete, but it is pulverising as it impacts at a shallow angle on the turbine roof concrete. Otoh, the holes (there are two) are due to impacts of something coming almost vertically down.

Now as to what, there are two reasons one can say that the 'object' which made the big hole absolutely wasn't some large piece of machinery, concrete refueling cap, etc from reactor #3.

The first reason is that the big hole in the turbine hall building has an intact beam right across the center of the hole. (Get the hi-res images from cryptome, it's very clear.) Also there are bits of the roof in the E. part of the hole that are only pushed down, and still hanging by the rebar. This all says *absolutely* that the impacting object crumbled on impact. A solid object would have sheared the beam away, while crumbled concrete 'flowed' around the beam.

The second reason, and why I'm now sure the top *didn't* blow off the #3 reactor (or any of them), is that although the roofing girder remnants are a mess, the central sections are still more or less intact though twisted. In particular, there is NO sign of any large object having blown upwards through the roofing girder grid. The beams it would have to have gone through are still intact.

The zipped photo set from cryptome really is excellent. A wealth of information. One can even figure out the story of where and when the fire hoses were laid, which are in use, which got driven over, etc. Looks like might be able to work out where they are drawing water from, which is interesting.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:31 | 1127070 Matte_Black
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Love your posts,TerraHertz, but roofs of these buildings are not concrete. They are wood hung upon a parapet.

The projectile is most likely a piece of concrete from within the bldg.

That said, god help us.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:56 | 1127111 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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It's 5 TerraHertz. Obviously a quantum cascade lasers guy. [which can emit radiation]

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:28 | 1127309 TerraHertz
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That would be TeraHz. Somebody else. :)

Or did you think I misspelled my own nic?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 07:06 | 1127625 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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I thought you read Rocky Racoon's FAQ on the topic.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:36 | 1127659 TerraHertz
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No idea. There was a topic? With a Fluffy Ambiguous Quirk?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:31 | 1127322 Yen Cross
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How is that sphincter doing? sarc/ At least you have insurance!

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 07:12 | 1127627 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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So far so good. I have surgery scheduled later today and Dr. Steinfeld promised that there will be no damage to your head. Once he gets it pulled out he will remove all fecal materials from your E/N/T.

Hang in there YenX, we will save you.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:39 | 1127247 Toobigtofoil
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Im interested as to why you think there is wood on the roofs of these buildings. Wood hasnt been used as a roofing material since the 18th century. 

From the photographs I would say the roofs of the reactor halls were rolled metal probably no more than 0.5mm thick as you would find on any big box warehouse supported on steel roof framing. The Turbine hall roofs appear to be concrete. 

For clarity Chris could you please in the first picture circle the hole in the turbine roof of hall 3? it is nigh impossible to tell from the close up of the hole where it sits on the plan. Cheers

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:18 | 1127302 TerraHertz
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Thanks, but 'wood' - what? You're joking right? They are definitely all concrete.

Download the really hi-res images: http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.zip

Those holes are downward punctures in reinforced concrete that is probably at least six inches thick. You can see the rebars and remaining bits of busted slab. If those large-span roofs were wood & sheet metal, they'd be gabled.

I'd like to add that one of my hobbies is 'urbex infiltration', which involves exploring places one is not supposed to go. I've lost count of all the old power station roofs I've walked over. All coal fired so far... but the roofs of the main buildings- boiler and turbine halls, are always thick concrete on structural steel.

A couple of them were in process of demolition, and until you've clambered around in the wreckage of really big industrial structures, you just can't imagine what the insides of those Fukushima junkpiles must be like. Even without the radiation and steam.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 01:09 | 1127461 Stoploss
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FYI, that concrete is 18" thick and that hole wasn't made by concrete either, i know what that is. If you look at the high res photo's third one down you can see where it came from. Look how the roof skeleton was blown to the opposite side. That 42" vent pipe to the left there, was blown off from the inside and folded down before it hit the ground. I see something on the other end of the skeleton that definitely has no business being there. Now, i wish i would have never looked at these pictures.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 03:44 | 1127571 zhandax
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You wouldn't be talking about that greenish glow just below the horizontal centerline of the building and to the left of the vertical centerline, would you?  Can any inferences be made from that as to the absence or presence or water?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:54 | 1127114 samsara
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Look at the first video at :25 and you will see a sideways explosion and the vertical

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/following-core-meltdown-reactor-one-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant-explodes-video

 

And watch your huge chunks falling at :8+ seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-wNFSGyQ

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:48 | 1127345 Goldilocks
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“This material is concrete, …”

Check out Bali Indonesia bombings 2002 photos for comparison … they too show the concrete torn off steel girders & rebar ... which some conspiracy theorists / truth seekers have speculated was caused by a mini-nuke.

(sorry no pictures with the following ...)

Bali Micro Nuke - Lack of Radiation Confuses "Experts"

Copyright Joe Vialls, 21 October 2002, Updated 13 February 2003

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:51 | 1127351 patb
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Could the hole be the cab of the crane that was tossed in the air?

It's a large square box and if it hit on an angle it punched that hold and some

attached debris bashed in the other side of the beam

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:24 | 1127405 TerraHertz
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Oh FFS.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 04:56 | 1127589 Matte_Black
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I stand corrected... not the type of construction I was thinking about... not wood.... carry on

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:23 | 1126947 Poundsand
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The article also thinks that this was created by something "coming down" as opposed to something "going up and out".  They were speculating as to whether the containment vessel from unit three, which is in completely different building building, landed on this one, the turbine building.  It was clearly caused by something heavy coming down from unit 3.  The only question is what?  Look at the high resolution photos in the story and you can see that the concrete columns and beams that compose much of the structure of building three are completely missing. 

If you look at the 2nd photo in the high resolution shots, you can see where a column or beam took out the top section of the building in the upper right hand corner.  You can also see the remains of the concrete spread over the ground beyond it. 

I agree, but I think given the unique shape, it was punched through by one of the column/beams still holding together (at least temporarily) by the structural steel built into them.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:03 | 1127286 perchprism
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The shape of the hole is very similar to the "fuel bridge" seen in the following video that rides on rails above the spent fuel pool:

 

http://www.fairewinds.com/content/new-images-reveal-nuclear-fuel-rack-exposed-air

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:28 | 1128049 Fish Gone Bad
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That is a phenomenal link.  It fucking scared the shit out of me.  Thank you.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 18:30 | 1128642 SilverRhino
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+1 good but scary goddamned post.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:15 | 1127741 mick_richfield
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I am stunned that a post like this can collect two junks.

TYLER -- the junk feature on this site is ill-considered and leads to meaningless noise that significantly reduces ZH's value.

 

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:39 | 1126845 themosmitsos
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Excellent report Chris, as was your analysis of the impact, economically, immediately after the event. What you're doing as an example of how this can be done, and well, and bluntly/harshly/truthfully without the Japan-bashing that sadly permeates most other reports

And, :(

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:52 | 1127112 Vlad Tepid
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I concur.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:39 | 1126846 Cognitive Dissonance
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Simply stunning images of a disaster site that while triggered by a "natural" cause is still entirely man made. I wonder if at anytime during my lifetime (approx 25 to 30 years) if anyone will be allowed to live within 20 km of this extremely hazardous waste disposal site?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:49 | 1126869 bob_dabolina
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I wouldn't think so. Chernobyl was about 30 years ago and Pripyat is still a ghost town. Chernobyl rx#4 had only 100 tons or so if material compared to the 1,700 tons at Fukushima. The plutonium they found in soil samples also won't decay for another 24,000 years at least (and then it will be only half as radioactive)

There is also extemely high levels of radiation found in the ground water...still not really sure what that means long term.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:15 | 1126934 malikai
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Despite that, people still choose to live inside the Chernobyl exclusion zone. And absolutely people still work at Chernobyl, even inside unit 4. I'd venture to say Fukushima will be no different, barring forced removal.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:16 | 1127138 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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(approx 25 to 30 years)

I was hoping for (approx 2 to 3 years). :(

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1126848 johnQpublic
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my guess is this will spew, at a minimum for as long as deepwater horizon well, with an equal to greater amount of misleading data, and failed top kill attempts

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:41 | 1126854 Hephasteus
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Does tepco get to join the fuck the birds and fishes club along with goldman sachs.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:38 | 1127084 MsCreant
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Good to see you Heph. Been looking for you on these threads.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:19 | 1127238 Hephasteus
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Well I'm about to go to war against the fucking communications industrial complex. So you might not ever see me again. Just listen for the screams of me injecting all my guides with syringe after syringe full of every poision known to man and smashing every single one of thier goddamn teeth out over and over and over till time ends.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:23 | 1127245 Mr. Mandelbrot
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Best of luck to you . . .

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:41 | 1127427 MsCreant
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You are loved, at least Internet loved, such as it is. No Don Quixotes, fuck windmills. They don't deserve your attention.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 02:08 | 1127504 Hephasteus
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16th century mind fuck comedies and deserves got nothing to do with it.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:27 | 1127922 Jim in MN
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Best book of all time, need a heavily annotated copy to help get all the points.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 01:09 | 1127463 CD
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Just out of curiousity (knowing next to nothing on the topic, just stumbled across this), do you mean something along these lines?

Be safe out there, don't threaten to leave forever, and remember it's best to ride with banner furled, if/when riding becomes necessary...

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:07 | 1127129 velobabe
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i have been missin you, too†


Missing You - Alison Krauss
Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:16 | 1127142 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Me too. Yes.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:45 | 1127200 geekgrrl
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Absolutely. Honorary members of the FTW club.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:00 | 1127217 Mr. Mandelbrot
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This mostly silent vet misses you too . . .

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:44 | 1126866 Eagle1
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"Noting that the press has largely turned its resources off of the Fukushima complex..."

 

You bet they bailed. We watched with interest the dour expressions on the faces of Dr. Gupta and Anderson Cooper from CNN as they were in front of the cameras for a few days. They were scared out of their wits, and rightly so. They displayed hand held monitors and surely had dosimiters as well which were telling them the real radiation levels. Amazing transformation once safely back in the home studio.

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:31 | 1126955 Pegasus Muse
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Western reporters wasted no time un-ass-ing the area.  They started reporting from Osaka -- 200 miles south of the Fukushima complex -- as soon as it started looking dicey.  

All those highly paid anchors like anderson cooper --- all heroes --- said Fuku this and got their irradiated 'nads outta the danger zone. 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:48 | 1126874 John Law Lives
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Nice report.  One caveat:

<<<  What We Can See:
Here's what we can directly observe in the larger satellite image:
Steam is still rising from reactors #2, #3 (circled in green) and #4. >>>

Steam is an odorless, colorless gas.  You can not see steam.  You can see water vapor.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:04 | 1126907 John Law Lives
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I got junked for pointing out that steam is an odorless, colorless gas.  I guess anarchists don't like being informed about basic thermodynamics.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:09 | 1127018 SilverTech
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If you're going to be anal about terminology you should get your facts right. Your statement "Steam is invisible, but water vapor is visible" is incorrect.  In fact:

"Water vapor is water in its gaseous state-instead of liquid or solid (ice). Water vapor is totally invisible. If you see a cloud, fog, or mist, these are all liquid water, not water vapor."

http://www.weatherquestions.com/What_is_water_vapor.htm

IMO It's common usage, and preferable, to use the word "steam" to refer to what might strictly be referred to as: "visible suspended water droplets condensed from steam". The other is  ridiculously verbose.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:00 | 1127126 John Law Lives
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For starters, I did not type the following comment: "Steam is invisible, but water vapor is visible" You typed that comment, yet you placed quotes around it as if I typed it.

Fact: Pure steam is a transparent, odorless, colorless gas.

Fact: Water vapor is visible as water droplets condense and reflect light.

Save the lecture, professor.  My intentions in my original post were not of an anal nature. I am an engineer (retired), and I don't need a cut-and-paste lecture re. thermodynamics from you.

Ciao!

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:18 | 1127650 Bendromeda Strain
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My intentions in my original post were not of an anal nature

Reading this exchange the next morning, I have to laugh at this one. Steam, vapor who gives a flip. CM is describing something to a mass audience and you most definitely got anal about it. Oh, and before you get the vapors (insert rimshot), here is your quote:

You can not see steam.  You can see water vapor

Much different than Steam is invisible, but water vapor is visible. Or not - I could be being anal.

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:39 | 1127770 John Law Lives
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My point, Bendromeda Strain, is that a statement was put in direct quotes as if it were stated verbatim by me.  As an FYI, my original comments re. steam and water vaopr were not directed to you... but thanks for playing along.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:08 | 1127733 moneymutt
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the teapot spits out something visible when hot water exits it up into the air.

 

Did some correct them on a much less anal, more reasonable correction on the word cement....cement is not concrete, cement is an ingredient in concrete, portland cement, sand, gravel, water are used to make portlan cement concrete, the black stuff on roads is techinical bitumunious conctrete, where the black tar is the cement/adhesive for the paste.

 

A cement truck is a flat bad with a bunch of bags of dry cement stacke on it...a concrete truck, in common use, is the ready-mix concrete trucks with spinning cylinders on the back of them...to me these guys look REALLY REALLY non-expert about construction, and construction methods, structural engineering, architecture of these facilities if they call concrete cement. They might know nukes and aerial photos, but construction is clearly completely out of their range...shoot they talk like someone that never even did home remodel projects.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:29 | 1127924 Jim in MN
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See, I can tell when it's steam by the whistling sound!  Easy!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:02 | 1127030 traderjoe
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Junks don't mean much anymore, unless you really rack them up. And I think it likely that paid shills and trolls peruse the board and junk posts to try to create dissent and doubt.

But I think your assumption that the anarchists did it, and/or most people on this board are anarchists (and that this is a bad thing) - well you earned a junk from me on that part.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:36 | 1127078 Seer
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Thank you!  The System is very effective at programming people to believe that anarchists are bad...  Hitler didn't like anarchists.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:25 | 1127162 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Talk about programming. Mass media has programmed you to obsess on Hitler, no?

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:47 | 1127097 John Law Lives
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The reference to "anarchists" was intended as humour.  Don't assume anything more was intended.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:36 | 1127181 John Law Lives
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Thanks for sharing that article.  Interesting!

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:12 | 1127822 snowball777
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That's about 10 minutes worth of editing from being an article on The Onion. LOL

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:38 | 1127329 TerraHertz
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Your problem was that depreciating anarchists (even in jest) in ZH is like farting in church. Guaranteed to offend nearly everyone.

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 10:43 | 1127782 John Law Lives
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If you want to see the "anarchists" really get their knickers in a twist, say something positive re. the merits of municipal bonds.  You will get junked to death.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:30 | 1127318 essence
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It doesn't seem right that folks can hide behind the 'junk' button.

I have a ZH account, yet when I click on a junk button I don't see the user account that made it, hence I have to assume that junkers get to hide in anonymity.
That doesn't seem fair.  I would think fairness entails that 'junkers' can be pursued, cornered, and forced to give an accounting of themselves.

And for the record, even though I post behind a ZeroHedge 'handle', let it be known that is only to protect myself from ... the U.S. Federal government.

Sad but true, the former 'home of the brave' (according to myth) has become the land of 1984. Yes... as a U.S. citizen, the biggest threat to my well being is the oligarchy that controls the U.S. ..... and all the zombies (that can't make it in private industry) that sell their souls for a Fed paycheck to be mindless minions protecting the status quo.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:05 | 1127877 cosmictrainwreck
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ya know what? you are absolutely right. however, sadly, I have a news flash for you - in case you haven't got it yet: life ain't fair. If the politico's could get this one simple concept, we wouldn't be going down the shitter at 100 mph

edit: a gross oversimplification, granted. exaggerated for effect

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 13:13 | 1128024 Bob Sacamano
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So you want transparency so you can "pursue and corner" junkers (fyi, I'm not one of them), but you hide behind a false ZH name so the federal government can not "pursue and corner" you.  Interesting.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:21 | 1127149 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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"I guess anarchists don't like being informed about basic thermodynamics."

Lolz, funniest comment yet!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:36 | 1127175 John Law Lives
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Thanks.  Glad to see some folks have a sense of humour.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:48 | 1126876 bud-wiser
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It is next to impossible to buy a Geiger counter online these days; all sites appear to be sold out.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:07 | 1126916 zen0
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You probably wouldn't use it after awhile anyway. They are like blood-pressure meters, you only get bad news so you just put it away in storage. Nobody likes Debby Downer.

 

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:54 | 1127113 TheMerryPrankster
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Eddie Uppers was dating Debbie Downer for awhile, they say opposites attract, but she caught him in a 3 way with Mary Wanna and Harold Hallucigen. Even love has its limits. Geiger counters are a growth industry, where's the usb model with built in memory for data storage and mp3 player?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 02:37 | 1127543 malek
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Shouldn't the question be: which future iPhone model will come with a built-in Geiger counter? And an app for that.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 06:57 | 1127623 johnQpublic
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i read that iphone rejected an app for that

seriously, no sarc

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:36 | 1127176 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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You have to roll you own.

http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorials/132

http://www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/GeigerCounter/Geiger_Counter-v12ii.pdf

Source supply for the Geiger Müller tube:
http://www.lndinc.com/products/category/35/

Get the pancake it's best and can fit in Sparks schematic(500 volt).

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:55 | 1126889 Bob Sacamano
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It is amazing how many nuclear power plant experts have come out of the woodwork.

There has been unending "authoritative" analysis by literally thousands of commentators over the past weeks.  And most of these commentators have chosen professions and education far afield from power generation, yet feel compelled to pontificate, speculate and report with gusto. 

I am sure I missed that day when they covered such in high school or college. 

Seemingly, if you are in the commentary business, you have to either a) say the same thing over and over (with minor twists) or b) talk about things that you really do not know much about.  This problem has become hugely magnified with cable tv and the internet.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:55 | 1126928 Global Hunter
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If Tepco and the Japanese government started to release some factual information for a change many of these commentators would quietly go away.  I would also like to add that many of the experts from the nuclear industry are so caught up in spin and telling us that radiation is good for us that they themselves encourage amateur speculation from those who have common sense and want the truth.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:17 | 1127140 Bob Sacamano
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Understood.  Conspiracies to mislead lurk in nearly every corner. The investigative powers of the relatively uninformed is all we got.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 22:36 | 1127263 williambanzai7
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I am not certain how much misleading information is being released at this point, but what little that does come out is being "managed" profusely.

All the reports I am reading indicate a growing disenchantment in Japan, particularly when the government.inexplicably refuses to follow IAEA recommendations on the basis of obviously faulty data.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 23:55 | 1127364 Global Hunter
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I see your point but I do think they are being misleading whether its intentional or not is another matter.  Take operation extension chord and their proud proclamations they had lights on in the control rooms.  It was done for headlines and to convey the message of control but in reality reactors and spent fuel rods were not under control by any means.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 03:08 | 1127559 williambanzai7
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I understand TEPCO is the biggest advertiser in Japan, which explains the otherside of the Japanese medias aping of the official line.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:14 | 1127648 duo
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Do you remember the GE commercial from 10 years back or so where they bragged about their nuclear reactors which TEPCO was using?  It was one of those Sunday morning commerials.  It ended with GE execs and TEPCO execs bowing to each other as GE "brought good things to life".  Since it hasn't aired since Youtube started, I'm wondering how I could find it.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:45 | 1127661 tip e. canoe
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that would be a gem to dig up.

couldn't find it but did find this:

http://www.retrojunk.com/tv/videos/295-school-house-rock/4194/

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 11:13 | 1127824 Bob Sacamano
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Uninformed (non-expert) information on technical topics is not worth much.  I kind of like Martenson, but am guessing he knows little about nuclear power reactors much less how to make solid judgements from pictures of such.    

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:02 | 1127376 Global Hunter
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yes, some of the best coverage and analysis out there is by the zero hedge folks and the posters here. Kudos to ZH and thank you to the posters but I'm sure all involved would agree that in and of itself is a rather frightening scenario.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 12:29 | 1127929 Jim in MN
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++

'Down The Rabbit Hole We Go'

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:35 | 1127073 fallst
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Yes, and it's just like the financial experts.

They have their haid so far up their ass, they only see out of a little tiny orifice upon the real world.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:39 | 1127090 barkster
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i will soon join them. i just signed up for the university of phoenix masters of nuclear power plant degree. i start my online correspondence courses tomorrow.  >:-//

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 08:56 | 1127673 Bendromeda Strain
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ITT Technical Institute, Bitchez!

Did anyone else yet comment on the absurdity of Obama traveling during this event

a) with the head of the company that designed Fukushima

b) named I-melt?

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 01:03 | 1127454 Carl Spackler-t...
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Could be the rabies talking?........Cosmo Kramer

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:58 | 1126893 Misean
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Damn glad he labled that thing "Boat", because I would have logically concluded that it was a giant laser-head radioactive shark. Glad that's sorted.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:22 | 1126945 Strider52
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Most dangerous creature known to man: The Flying Four-Wheel Drive Headlight Shark.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:44 | 1127093 barkster
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i beg to differ.

keynesian economists are the "most dangerous creature known to man"

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:24 | 1127158 Ted K
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More like those strange Homo sapien creatures that bleed every month.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:42 | 1127189 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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You need to be Lorena Bobbitted you chauvinist pig!

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 18:58 | 1126895 no life
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Let's just say that Obama will probably skip the photo-op of himself and his family taking a swim in the Pacific off of Fukishima Beach.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:45 | 1127096 barkster
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+1

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 21:45 | 1127198 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Let's just say that because of radiation from Fuckashima Glenn Beck has mutated into a giant mega homosarus rex.

Sat, 04/02/2011 - 00:18 | 1127398 I Got Worms
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I smell a potential WB7 masterpiece.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:02 | 1126898 Carl Spackler-t...
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Entombment cannot begin until they can off-load or remove all the spent fuel assemblies.  This can take up to 6 years once they are removed from a reactor and finally cool down to a point that they can be placed in dry storage casks - unless they figure out an unconventional way.  Chernobyl reactor that blew was a relatively new reactor and did not have that much spent fuel around, so they did not have this problem.  These 6 reactors have been operational for over 30 years and have an immense amount of spent fuel around.  You cannot just bury this mess and walk away.  They will be off loading spent fuel from the site for years.

Fri, 04/01/2011 - 19:05 | 1126912 flattrader
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And when you consider it takes 4-6+ years to cool spent fuel rods depending on their size and fuel under "ideal" conditions BEFORE they can be dry casked, you have to wonder WFT the options are here.

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