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Chris Martenson Exclusive: New Photos Of Fukushima Reactors
Submitted by Chris Martenson
Exclusive: new photos of Fukushima reactors
Noting that the press has largely turned its resources off of the Fukushima complex, and needing up-to-date information on the status of the damage control efforts there, we secured the most up-to-date satellite photo from DigitalGlobe (dated March 31st), which we analyze below. This is the first photo of the damaged reactor site at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear facility made available to the public in over a week. That means you, our readers, are the first public eyes anywhere to see this photo.
Drawing upon the expertise of our resident nuclear engineer and Ann Stringer, imaging expert, we conclude that the situation at Fukushima is not stabilized: things are not yet at a place of steady progress in the containment and clean-up efforts. It's still a dance, forwards and backwards, with the workers making gains here and there and the situation forcing them to react defensively.
In this report, we will tell you what we know for sure, what we are nearly certain of, and what we remain forced to speculate about.
Here is a portion of a much larger image (covering 25 square kilometers in total) showing the reactor complex as of March 31, at roughly mid-day:
Photo Credit, 2011, DigitalGlobe
What We Can See
Here's what we can directly observe in the larger satellite image:
- Steam is still rising from reactors #2, #3 (circled in green) and #4.
- Of the four reactor buildings, three are nearly or totally destroyed, while the outside (at least) of the fourth is in relatively better shape.
- We can count 7 fire trucks 'on site' with another 7 just to the north, all with water lines strung out across the ground.
- There is only one ship/vessel to be seen, located inside of the breakwater and nearly as far to the north as it can go inside that boundary.
- A significant number of the vehicles that can be seen at the core of the site have not moved since the first released photos on March 12.
- There is a parking lot slightly to the north and west with approximately 250 passenger vehicles in it and a side lot with 30 large green tanks neatly arranged in rows.
- The rest of the area is one, two, and four lane roads (no traffic at all), worked farmland, residential and commercial areas, mostly empty parking lots, and two baseball diamonds.
Here's what we don't see
- Nowhere in the 25 km area in the main photo can we find anything that looks like a staging area with a large collection of assets such as tanker trucks, pumpers, cement trucks, piles of pre-staged materials, ambulances, and fire trucks.
- The cement pumper truck seen a week ago has been apparently replaced by the boom at reactor #4.
- There's no obvious barge delivering fresh water for the rector cooling efforts as recently reported (it may have come and gone?).
- Any obvious changes to the roofs of any of the reactors.
- Any people outside the plants working.
Things we can logically conclude
The steam that is venting is a mixed blessing. It implies that cooling water is getting to some hot material, which is a good thing, but it also means that something is hot enough to vaporize water and the continued release of radioactivity into the surrounding environment.
This means that the lack of steam coming from reactor #1 is either a very good sign, or a very bad sign. Good because it could mean that the containment vessels are intact and cooling water is circulating. Bad because it could imply that no water is getting to it and it is a very hot mass right now. According to TEPCO, reactor #1 has had seawater, and now freshwater, circulating through the reactor vessel - and since both containment vessels are intact, we'll conclude the lack of steam is a good sign.
The situation at Fukushima is going to drag on for years. First there's the matter of stabilizing the situation which has not yet been fully achieved. Recent surprises in terms of the amounts and locations of radioactivity are one sign that the situation is not fully stabilized. Still, nothing has blown up in quite a while, the steam venting appears consistent, and the major surprises seem to be over for now. While the TEPCO workers are still reacting to things as they arise, these are smaller things than last week, which is another hopeful sign.
The detected presence of neutron beams, I-134, and radioactive chlorine are all strongly supportive of the idea that criticality has resumed. Our best guess is that these are localized pockets, probably of short duration, and do not involve the entire core mass of any particular reactor conflagrating in some gigantic, greenish blob of uncontrolled fission. The geometries of the fuel in relation to neutron moderators requires precise conditions to support sustained fission and so it is rather unlikely to be occurring in anything other than localized pockets. If the entire reactor in its fully operational state was capable of supporting what we might scale to 100% fission, the amount of fission happening after a partial (or complete) meltdown will be a far lesser percentage. Still, any amount of fission is unwelcome at this point because it is adding to the heat and radiation removal difficulties.
The constantly rising levels of radioactivity found in the seawater are a further unwelcome development, but without a proper isotope analysis we cannot conclude anything about the potential resumption of fission from their gross amounts alone. It's always possible that the leftover fission products are now being washed in larger amounts into the sea for some reason.
Additional Drone Photos
These are the most detailed photos yet to emerge into the public space (released yesterday, March 31, as far as I know), and they are purported to come from a drone flyover on March 20 and 24th. They are really quite good, and worth viewing in their entirety here.
Beginning with reactor 3, one thing we can say is, this thing is a right proper mess:
(Source for all that follow)
There's a significant hole to the left of center that goes deep into the sub-structure (with a strange greenish cast that we've not been able to resolve after much conjecture) and it's clear that this building alone will take a long time to resolve.
Interestingly, we get our clearest image yet of the hole in turbine building #3 that was created by something ejected into the air during the reactor #3 explosion.
Looking like one of those cartoon cutouts that happens when the coyote hits the ground, we get the impression that whatever it was happened to be quite heavy and possibly shaped like an Apollo capsule. It has been my suspicion, which contradicts the official story, that the concrete containment vessel was what actually blew up in reactor #3 and I have been looking for evidence of in the form of large, heavy chunks of concrete (especially the refueling plug) lying about. I don't know what made this hole in the roof of the turbine building, but it was heavy.
Reactor #4 provides us with proof that serious damage can result from the effects of an overheated spent fuel storage pool:
Here the watering boom can be clearly seen. A camera was recently attached to the boom and it took some interior shots which were suggestive of the idea that the spent fuel pool is damaged and largely drained of water. Spraying water into this pool, then, is probably a balancing act with the desire to spray enough water on the rods to keep them cool being offset by the risk of having radioactive water drain away for parts unknown.
Almost certainly this same balancing act defines the efforts for reactors #2 and #3 as well.
Conclusions
The efforts at Fukushima are probably weeks away from even basic stabilization and we are years away from any sort of a final resolution. This crisis is going to be with all of us for a very long time. Radiation will continue to escape from the complex into the environment for weeks at best, months or years at worst.
The chief concern here is that things might still take a turn for the worse whereby radiation spikes to levels that prevent humans from getting close enough to perform meaningful operations and work on the site. If the radiation spikes high enough it will force an evacuation from the vicinity complicating every part of what has to happen next from monitoring to remediation.
The general lack of staged materials anywhere in the vicinity indicates that authorities have not yet decided on a plan of action, feeding our assessment that they are still in 'react mode' and that we are weeks away from nominal stabilization.
On Thursday we learned from the Wall Street Journal that TEPCO only had one stretcher, a satellite phone, 50 protective suits, and only enough dosimeters to give a single one to each worker group. Given this woeful level of preparation it is not surprising to see that regular fire trucks, cement trucks, and a lack of staged materials comprise much of the current damage control mix.
We don't yet know enough to conclude how much fission has spontaneously re-occurred, but we have strong suspicions that the number is higher than zero. Here we make our call for the release of more complete and timely radiation readouts and sampling results by TEPCO and Japan so that we can assess what the true risks are. The situation remains fluid and quite a lot depends now on chance and which way the wind blows.
And as I detailed in the Alert report I issued soonafter the tragic events of the Japan earthquake and tsunami on March 10th, the impact of Japan's tribulations on the global economy will be large and vast. World markets are simply unpreapared for the third-largest economy to suddenly and violently downshift. The persisting crisis at Fukushima simply worsens the picture.
As always, we'll continue montioring developments closely and reporting our findings and conclusions on this site.
best,
Chris
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Trust me.
Based on the jet stream patterns if you eat any leafy veg( broccoli, spinach, etc...)
or consume something that has eaten leafy veg(cow meat or cow milk, goat, lamb, pork) you will die from cancer sooner than you think.
US .gov is lying to you about downstream contamination.
Radiation hormesis.
"error-prone nonhomologous end joining (NHEJ) repair in postirradiation cellular response, argues strongly against a DNA repair-mediated low-dose threshold for cancer initiation"
That's what I'm talking 'bout. It's good for you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_hormesis
Retire at 67, die at 68. Unfunded liability problem solved.
Plus a bonus:
A revenue stream for big pharma and US health care industry.
Paging Dr. Steinfeld.
+1 Judge.
No more sushi...but I need my iodine, is nori seaweed safe?
For a while. Any people left in the vicinity of those reactors are probably arguing with their insurance company about how to get their boat back to the water. This brings up an interesting thought...has anyone with ties to the region heard if any insurance payoffs have started? There may be some unusual trading opportunities when that gets in full swing. When I hit the edit button, I was thinking of t-bond liquidations, currency and rate derivative implosions, and counter-moves by the chairstan, but on further thought, don't overlook opportunities in Japanese boat-yards and builders. What non-Japanese companies make repair parts for Japanese boats? (insurance companies will be pushing these or they may be the only alternative)
finally cool down to a point that they can be placed in dry storage casks - unless they figure out an unconventional way
I had a thought about the Tectonic plates near the Phillipines and Guam, The mariana trench. The plate submerges back into the mantle at that point. (hence why the Mariana Trench is the deepest part, 7 miles I think.
Anyway, How long till it cools to a point that you could coat the pellets with ceramic or cement (dime or quarter size pellets) some such, and drop them in the best subduction zone to be taken back down to the mantle...
It's gone once and for all.
Here's an example of the tectonic Subduction zone
http://www.platetectonics.com/book/images/Convergence2.gif
This page explains it.
Oceanic-Oceanic Convergence
http://www.platetectonics.com/book/page_5.asp
I had the same thought a couple of weeks ago. As a complete lay person it would seem the perfect solution to the spent fuel problem, return to sender.
I agree, it seems the best solution.
I'm surprised how many think we should put the nuclear material in rockets and blast it into outer space. Pointing out that it would cost about $10K per lb, or that rocket launches sometimes fail, seems to have no effect on their fantasies.
But... rockets and shit are HIGH TECH, and HIGH TECH is good for you! Nuclear reactors are HIGH TECH! and,well, a...
I think it was right after the Challenger disaster (that really dates me) that some one did a quick analysis of known American and suspected Soviet failures, and calculated that 20% of those who tried to go into space died in the attempt. But this is so much safer, right?
Your numbers were off.
Human space fligth casualties are clsoer to 1%
Clearly not as bad as your spelling. That estimate referred largely to the early days of space exploration, and the miserable results of the Soviets. Challenger = 1986
Mortality for teachers in space = 100%
"return to sender"... jeffrey immelt?
But...but...but...it would ruin the enviiiiiiiironment! <Sarcasm>
I argued this in a high school debate years ago...Dumping them in lava 2 miles beneath the sea to be steamrolled into the mantle by Mother Nature herself made sense to me then and still does today.
Plate subduction zone is not a 'gone forever' option. It is really a 'takes a very long time to actually leave' option. Worse than in-laws.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6458896,00.html
"Indonesian mud volcano will continue erupting for decades
Ever since Lusi roared to life in May 2006, scientists worldwide have been studying the case intensely. It is the world's largest and fastest growing mud volcano."
Long story short - while materials are being subducted, they still sit not so far from the surface, but also get heated a lot. If the hot mud in the subduction zone finds a way back to the surface, it isn't going to go quietly into the long magma night.
Just imagine if Lusi was fuck-off radioactive as well.
Not to mention that, had we the capability to just pick these things up and easily toss them into a trench, we wouldn't be having these problems right now. Once we have the ability to safely move them around like that, containment is entirely possible. So the idea only works when it would be pointless to use it.
If, as I saw in one of the links posted here tonight, there is a robot which can go into Chernobyl and take pictures of a radioactive black fungus, surely they have hardened the electronics enough to attach arms to pull the spent fuel rods out and drop them onto a boat. It may have to drop it onto the Black Pearl, though.
Energy expenditure for the purposes of containment over a short-term is not comparable with the same expenditure over millions of years worth of half-lives.
99 laser-cooled, magnetically confined luftballons to the moon!
Seriously WRONG, WRONG- uninformed you are d_senti. Open trench dumping was the norm for nuclear waste disposal in the 1940 and 50s. The Fermi nuclear pile (1st one ever) set up under the stadium seats at the U of Chicago was hauled away and dumped in the burbs along with waste from the Manhattan Project and is now called Cook County Palos Forest Preserve- Site A/Plot M. It is 40 miles SW of Chicago.
http://www.em.doe.gov/bemr/BEMRSites/safp.aspx
Hot metal debris still sticks up out of the earth. Elsewhere, in Russia, the commies dumped too much hot waste in a trench and it went critical and exploded and irradiated an immense trac of land. It was inadvertently made public when Russian scientists published radiation effects data on fresh water fish species. Their sample was so immense, scientist reverse engineered the water-acerage required for such a count and concluded mucho square miles had been badly irradiated. The truth finally did come out and it was also revealed that the CIA knew about the accident but decided to not reveal it. Shortly after this incident, the USA smartly outlawed open trench dumping. The commies were just more unlucky than the capitalists, not any smarter or dumber. And the government didn't tell the public because they didn't want to empower the opponents of nuclear weapons or power plants.
Hit save twice, mea culpa.
the perfect solution to the spent fuel problem, return to sender.
Hold on here, if you are replacing Uranium w/ Plutonium, how is that a return to sender proposition?
"It's not nice to fool Mother Nature."
Watch for the cameo appearance from Rockey Racon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrTPrp-fW8
“This crisis is going to be with all of us for a very long time.”
Great work, Chris. +692.5
We can agree / disagree that shark fin soup is really not tasty.
http://www.alexhoffordphotography.com/
We can agree / disagree with Alex Hofford that karma has nothing to do with this.
We can agree / disagree that EQ continue in the region east of Honshu could bring more events, or at the least, have a factor in decision-making in Japan.. [Think about No.2 plant with four more reactors]
38 >6.0 recorded in the region since the 9.0 on 3.11
http://www.iris.edu/seismon/
We can agree / disagree dumping into the depth of ocean is a solution [for humans, may be], or that it was in-consideration of us humans that brought about this whole mess in the first place.
We can agree / disagree with sending back to the source [eh?] or send them into the nearest blackhole is a solution [for whom/what? And they come from?]
Oh, we can agree / disagree au (sun) and ag (moon) and all things that flow (mercury retrograde) is irrelevant, after all this is a financial / speculation site.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-lesson-japan-pm-investors
You can agree / disagree “on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero”. And again, you can agree /disagree that even after death, our deeds (and thoughts?) could come back to “greet” us.
Have a nice day, all.
We can agree/disagree that you should take half a tab next time.
Got it Snow.
I type it on worddoc as I am in a slow eEnvironment here, and copy-& pasted it on the comment window. Don't know that it would double spaced it.
hi, Carl! before i reply to yer comments i want to thank tyler for the complete lack of rumor & conjecture, here. and, i mean it, too. lol! thank you t.d.!
there has been confusion here and elsewhere about the amount(s) and location(s) of the 2 fuel types and amounts. on 3.19, george washington posted "The Amt. of Radioactive Fuel @ Fuku DWARFS Chernobyl" and posited 1760 metric tons, approx 10X chernobyl.
tyler pushed in a big raise: According to AP there were - at the time of the earthquake and tsunami - 3,400 tons of fuel in seven spent fuel pools plus 877 tons of active fuel in the cores of the reactors.
That totals 4,277 tons of nuclear fuel at Fukushima.
he called 24X, based on AP.
ok, i immedialtely went to look and found a source from tokyo electric, making it look A+ good for tyler's figures and went with that. erroneously, i now believe: November 2010 powerpoint presentation from the Tokyo Electric Company detailing how fuel storage works at the huge complex
According to which, each reactor generates 700 "waste" fuel assemblies a year, and there are 3450 assemblies in each pool at the Fukushima Daiichi plant, plus another 6,291 in a common pool in a separate building. END PASTE
what i now "believe" is that in translation, the capacity of these areas came out as the amount stored. how could they all be the same, 6X6?
i went w/ this 3.29 update: The Breakthrough Institute: Situation Report: Fukushima: Print This
Reactor 1: 400 assemblies in core, (all?) partially or fully exposed. 292 assemblies in spent fuel.
Reactor 2: 548 loaded assemblies in the damaged core; 587 in SFP.
Reactor 3: 548 in damaged core (also reported undamaged by "Japan Atominc Industrial Forum--lol?) 514 in SFP. plutonium-enhanced fuel in core.
Reactor 4: none. removed in nov, 2010 (take 19 months to "cool"), 1331 SFR assemblies.
Reactorz 5&6: 546 (5) 876 (6) undamaged (b/c both cores successfully shut down on 3.20!!!) 946 SPF5, 876 SFP6.
i know! unicornz & skittlez! i'm not saying these #'s are correct, but that they are 1) conservative, extremely so, probably; 2) do not invalidate anything arnie gunderson has said; & 3) ditto for the dozen or so zero's who really seem to know their shit. Carl, included, slewie not.
the reason i am dogging Carl, here, is he mentioned the casks. these fit on a RR car. barely if they are the ones i "think" they are. 2 of em, and they "weigh 100 tons apiece" i read. so what? well, after the tsunami, if you think the B.S. about the reactors was "strange but untrue" the "outside storage" is just as wunnaful, wunnaful! from the same report source as for the reactors "world nuclear news":
60 percent of the spent fuel from the Fukushima Daiichi complex is stored in shared central storage, according to TEPCO (some 6375 fuel assemblies). After cooling further in the shared central spent fuel pool, fuel rods are moved to more secure, dry cask storage.
there are apparently 2 100-ton casks, but no info of whether they contain SFR's. none. then, TEPCO has released conclusions from visual inspection of pool on March 19 local time. Reports water levels are 'secured' and temperatures are 55 C. Detailed inspection being prepared. AND: External power supply restored as of March 24 at 15:37pm and cooling started again 28 minutes later. just move along, please.
ok, me, again. the outside pool storage is not in a reinforced builing and some tepco guy said, somewhere, that some "inspector" said the windows were o-u-t, post-tsunami. apparently the risks around this outside pool is no biggie, and the building may not heavily shielded for radiation either, or shielded at all. why would that make sense? what could go wrong, here?
so you folks do your own thinking, math, and retching, and maybe tyler & staff will put up a pic of the outside SFP bldg and also where the casks are kept. i've been looking at these Q's for 2 weeks and and am totally stumped. all these moronic big shots that went with the plutonium-added fuel rods so the the SFRods would be "too hot for terrorists to handle" may well have this info in a satchel quite similar to prez milk dud's "football" so they can keep us safe, here on the Big Plantation.
Thanks for that!
@pi-rat; if reactor 4 was empty why did it explode?
Best Question award.
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hi tunga; did the reactor explode? or the building? i would say the building. lay person's explanation, ok? please don't confuse my best guess with the correct answer. the spent fuel rods, in the reactor building, need to be cooled. they weren't. so, they got hot, and then some! many bad aspects to this, one of which is the production of hydrogen gas, which blew the building's lid, when it exploded.
Just so the obvious is stated here, for those who missed it.
Building #4 has no fuel in the reactor, as the (fairly fresh) rods were removed form the reactor to allow some service. Those rods were all stored in the 'spent' fuel pool in building 4, along with all the actually spent rods in there.
Consequently the heat output into that pool's water was higher than the other pools. In the case of #1 & #3, the hydrogen explosions appear to have been due to venting from the cores, as exposed rods overheated and the zirconium reacted with steam, releasing H gas. This accumulated in the building interior, then exploded.
In #4 a similar process, except the rods burning were all in the spent fuel pool, which had a greater volume of water to boil away before exposing rods to air and producing H. Hence the longer delay till the explosion.
It was a story about Fukushima that brought me over here to ZH, it was the continued coverage and comments that kept me coming. Please keep this story alive as its pretty clear the msm have either been told to shut it down or just bored of it. You can bet I'll be sending this story on to folks.
now that you are hooked, buy silver, crash jpmorgue...
my wife gets either a bemused or annoyed look on her face lately depending on her mood when I react to any bit of bad news with "BUY the dip!"
Present her with troy ounce rounds of 999. Spin pure silver on granite and let her hear it ring, have her heft 24kt gold in her hand for the first time (Philharmonics are great for this - beautiful coin). YMMV, but it worked with my wife. She asks if we should exchange more cash for physical while we still can, bless her heart.
congrats on your success... how long did it take to train her?
p.s. i am partial to libertads....
Chernobyl disaster incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSRC1_OZPIg
Expect thyroid cancer, malformations and socio-economic pain for the next 30-50 years. The long-term consequences for a shrinking population do not look good.
Thepopulation was already contracting rather substantially, way below replacement rate even before this happened. Keeping in mind, from a macroeconomic perspective the single most important factor determining economic growth is the demographic. Very good point you bring up. If it was slowing prior to this.......
Which, all other things being equal means by extension, terribly bad news for global economic growth and significant increases in costs as productive capacities are reallocated away from Japan.
Probably not factored into most forecasts for as long as will be reasonably impacted.
The one most salient point that everyone should recognize is @ 6:22 of that video and between 9:00 and 9:14.
Chernobyl disaster incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSRC1_OZPIg
Thanks for the excellent post !
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Tyler, Can some source get a picture like this one?
Again, I would have to believe that the reactors have had pictures taken that you could zoom in on. Like this example of the inauguration.
http://gigapan.org/viewGigapanFullscreen.php?auth=033ef14483ee899496648c2b4b06233c
I would love to zoom in on the pictures that Chris had.
Cool beans. That's exactly what we need.
Clarence Thomas is sound asleep at inauguration! left of Obummer by a little, right side.
Looks like an all-dressed pizza. Toute garni........isn't that the Smithsonian over there?
Go to cryptome and download the hi-res ones.That should do it.
Every day I keep hoping to hear some positive progress has been made at Fukushima and every day I am saddened and disappointed to hear otherwise. Fukushima is turning, inexorably it seems, into the location of the next S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game.
Japan leads the world in robotics. Surely they will be able to develop machines to deal with this in say 5-6 years.
Yeah, you would think that, no?
And yet, the US is sending them radiation hardened remote control robots and extremely small helo drones with cameras to assist with assessment.
I have to wonder what good is the fucking IAEA or even any national atomic group anywhere if they don't require this type of equipment to be readily available and stage outside a reasonable distance in the event of an "incident".
I have to wonder what good is the fucking IAEA or even any national atomic group anywhere if they don't require this type of equipment to be readily available and stage outside a reasonable distance in the event of an "incident".
Apparently you missed how the IAEA was tossed aside in order to invade Iraq. That should tell you how much clout that they have. And then there's the issue of funding... I'd bet that there are plenty of lobbyists in DC who make sure that the IAEA's funding is as little as possible.
Fukushima Dai-ichi - more serious than Chernobyl
Fukushima Dai-ichi status and prognosis
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7722
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Future course and consequences
Notwithstanding the successful filling of the spent fuel ponds with water...things are getting worse...the site is slowly but surely becoming too hazardous for operations...raising the specter of further melt down and fires.
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What we think we know for sure?
1) The Japanese government have warned of a grave nuclear incident on a number of occasions.
2) The status of the reactors, fuel pools and dispersion of radioactive materials continues to get worse, not better.
3) There are perhaps 7 or 8 reactor loads of fuel in play compared with a single load at Chernobyl and 4 or 5 of those are outside of containment in badly damaged spent fuel pools.
4) This report suggests that daily release of radioactive 131I and 137Cs is running at around 73% and 60% of Chernobyl respectively.
5) The Chernobyl fire burned for 8 to 10 days whilst Fukushima Dai-ichi has been emitting radioactive material for around 15 days with no end in sight.
6) There is a 30 km exclusion zone in place and thousands of residents have become refugees with little prospect of returning home in the near future.
<snip>
Comparison of Fukushima Dai-ichi and Chernobyl
There are a number of key differences between Chernobyl and Fukushima Dai-ichi making comparisons of the incidents difficult:
1) The Chernobyl accident took place at fission power blowing the roof of the core and reactor building while Fukushima Dai-ichi was successfully shut down.
2) Chernobyl had a graphite core that burned, spreading radioactive material far and wide.
3) Chernobyl lacked a primary containment system.
4) Chernobyl involved a single reactor load of fuel while Fukushima Dai-ichi likely has 7 to 8 reactor loads spread among the cores of units 1, 2 and 3 and the spent fuel ponds of units 1 to 4.
5) Fukushima Dai-ichi unit 3 has MOX fuel loads containing plutonium in reactor and in spent fuel pool.
6) Fuel in pool of reactor 4 is not spent and is a 'hot' load outside of containment.
7) Fukushima Dai-ichi is located in the heart of Japan, the world's third largest economy whilst Chernobyl is located in Ukraine which has lower economic standing in the world.
In my estimation, the larger mass of fuel, much of it outside of containment, the geographic location and possible socio-economic impacts on Japan, longer duration and open-ended nature of this event and extant risk of explosion and fire will ultimately make Fukushima Dai-ichi the more serious incident.
Future course and consequences
Notwithstanding the successful filling of the spent fuel ponds with water, I do not believe TEPCO has been able to take any action thus far that has halted the decline in condition of the Fukushima Dai-ichi reactor complex. Things are getting worse, not better, for every day that passes. The site is slowly but surely becoming too hazardous for operations, and if that happens, remedial work on cooling reactors and filling fuel ponds may have to stop raising the specter of further melt down and fires. All the while corrosion is eating away at the pressure vessels and associated pipes and valves and absent circulation cooling the heat dissipation problem builds (see slow burning issues).
Rational voices point to the fact that most modern reactors in operation as well as those being built and planned are much safer than the aging fleet at Fukushima Dai-ichi. This may be so, but populations around the world fear radiation and it is the public that will have the final say.
Unless those days be shortened, no flesh shall remain alive.
Everyday I keep saying, it can't get worse. Everyday, I realize it will.
“URGENT”: Japan concerned about more explosions — “Considering injecting nitrogen into containment vessels” -KyodoThe government and Tokyo Electric Power Co. are considering injecting nitrogen into containment vessels of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant’s reactors to prevent hydrogen explosions, government sources said Friday.
Physicians have “deep concern” about Canada being impacted by radioactive isotopes from Fukushima… “Physicians for Global Survival is deeply concerned about the long term health of populations exposed due to accidental or planned releases of radioactivity from Fukushima…”
“The US uses a system of RadNet monitors,” the release said, adding that:
Radiation monitors are “point source” monitors, meaning that the radioactive element or ray must actually strike the monitor to be measured. They are unlikely to detect radiation as close as twenty five feet above or beside them. Apparently there are only about 125 of these monitors for the entire continental United States, Hawaii and Alaska.
EPA: Radioactive Iodine-131 levels in PA (3300% above Federal drinking standards) & MA rainwater “exceed maximum contaminant level permitted in drinking water”The levels [of iodine-131 in rainwater in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts] exceed the maximum contaminant level (MCL) permitted in drinking water, but EPA continues to assure the public there is no need for alarm:
“It is important to note that the corresponding MCL for iodine-131 was calculated based on long-term chronic exposures over the course of a lifetime – 70 years. The levels seen in rainwater are expected to be relatively short in duration,” the [EPA] states in a FAQ that accompanied yesterday’s brief news release. …
EPA said it is receiving “verbal reports” of higher levels of radiation in rainwater… “We continue to expect similar reports from state agencies and others across the nation given the nature and duration of the Japanese nuclear incident.” …
Reads to me like a clear directive to drink beer instead of water until at least May.
Yes fer sure. Provided the water used to make the beer did not originate from this planet.
True, but even if it did at least you'll feel better about it.
Get it from Dune.
Perhaps ORI could share with us which galaxy it is in.
i still want someone to answer the question,'if it's 33 times the safe level in the rain, whats the level in my swimming pool and all the public pools that this rain is getting into'
Could be oldish news but the IAEA sending folks in now because they're fed up of Tepco and the government releasing radiation results and then changing or denying them a day or so later. Now they are saying the beef has ZERO radiation and the water on site that was 10,000 times safe levels will be measured again because it wasn't really 10,000x.
Their attempts at propaganda are so pitiful perhaps somebody there is deliberately trying to tell the world something that they can't otherwise do directly? Maybe they're just terrible liars I don't know.
Video: Latest super close-up footage of Fukushima wrecked nuclear reactorThis will be worlds biggest nuclear catastroophe ever... meltdown inevitable
http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/etc/7598-putzmeister-fukushima
I just saw the video of the stills they posted and you know what, those pools are empty. When the camera showed the green bridge/fuel mover, it was in the concrete pool. But there wasn't any water to be seen from the top of the pool to the top of the fuel rods at all and I have to believe that water isn't in the bottom either. The way that steam is coming off those rods tell me that whatever water that is being put on those rods is leaving via steam not in a few minutes, but instantly.
according to fairewinds.com they are pumping around 60,000 gallons/day on those things and the pool is still dry or at very low levels. It would appear the integrity of the pool is gone and can not hold water. It will be interesting to see how they plan to cool this stuff. Maybe the pool can be patched or repaired but in any case it will be tough to do as this stuff stays hot.
please be careful quoting a source as reliable as arnie and not providing the link.
on this page, Fairewinds Associates, Inc | Leveling the Playing Field,
3rd video down, which is titled: "Discovery of Plutonium Leakage and Highly Radioactive Water" and is dated 3.29.11, he clearly says 200,000 gal/day.
fairewinds may have put up your info a few days earlier, or later, then again, he might not have ever said such a thing. you quote a most reliable source, but perhaps you either just have yer fuking head up yer ass, or you have yer head up yer fuking ass.
I heard 200 tons of water
http://www.fairewinds.com/content/update-fukushima-discussion-high-level...
t.y. my bad. apologies. i get confused by the same topic discussed in diff terms. maybe he shoulda said tons in the video i saw, and corrected here. now that i think about it...maybe he did say tons!
the fuel rods have damned near finished me off! how much does a fuel rod weigh? how many in a metric tonne? i had 18 windows open the other night. my computer sounded like the turbine on my buddy's old '63 Avanti! any two sites with same amount of fuel rod bundles here, there, just means they copied the same "source". same with tons.
hmmm...i only had one junk till i saw yer response...
and, i've never had one problem w/ you. ever. right?
so i knew i shouldn'ta done that.
Isn't it interesting that they're reporting liquid amounts by weight instead of volume? We'd normally expect to hear "gallons" or "liters".
And is that tons or tonnes? About a ten percent difference in that alone....they don't want people to be able to easily conceptualize any of this.
hi stormdancer! i'm late, here, but was trying to help someone in another country with something. absolutely right about the "ton(ne)s", and is there designed confusion, here, disinfo? sure! from gunderson? first thought: nah! then i considered that the business he and his wife have developed is there to serve the nuclear industry. he is accepted as an "expert witness" in its court cases and is very knowledgeable and prob has that "forensic intellect" too. now his work is being used by people who are against the industry, on a much larger scale than ever. some of his clients, friends, and sub-contractors might be saying, "arnie! enuf is enuf!" and, he might be listening. i would hope not, but the question is valid.
i know!
but i've been nice all day, and i almost made it! fun, tho!!!
Looks like the body of a person in a white radiation suit (at least a filled in chalk outline victim) at 0:14 and then re-emerging from behind the RT sign at 0:18. Maybe he's just working on his tan. I should mention I can also see white elephants in the smoke too.
It looks from this site (www.radiationnetwork.com) like the worst of the radiation is sweeping up from southern CA, over Phoenix and Denver, up to Chicago, and over New Hampshire.
Been watching for a week now, and the highest levels keep tracking this path.
Bud, don't know if this is related to the radioactive plume over the midwest today, but it sure is a coincidence.
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Sounds like the pilot found the sweet spot in the jet stream.
Nothing like getting bombarded with mega doses of radiation at 600 mph.
Checking out the drone high resolution photos at this link:
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.htm
Look at the third photo down of the destroyed unit 3. Look at all those long thin cylinder objects in the debris on top of the remains as well as scattered around. Now look at the second photo down for comparison. You have what is basically a four story building and the top two stories for all intents and purposes are gone except for the columns and beams on the west side. Are those the fuel spent rods? We know they stored them above the reactor - there is no pool if it was anywhere in those top three stories - it's gone. The good news is that if those are spent fuel rods, they are scattered and won't generate the heat off of each other.
Are those the fuel spent rods
That's what I asked the other night. I thought the same thing.
The long, narrow, light colored strips that are lying around everywhere are probably corrugated iron strips used to support concrete slabs when they are being poured. To build roofs like those you put up the girder frame, then lay down the corrugated steel, then pour concrete on top. Explosion applies overpressure to underside of concrete slab, steel girders left more or less in place, concrete bursts upwards, mostly pulverising into dust and small fragments, corrugated steel detaches from concrete and falls back like confetti.
You can tell the 'long strips' came from above the roof girder structure, by the number of them lying on top of reactor #4 building's roof girder grid. That was the last explosion, and the roof girders are only lightly damaged. Reasonable to extrapolate the same construction style to all three blown-up roofs, hence the amount of those strips everywhere.
OR....they are spent fuel rods. Of course there are many government types who have analyzed high-res pictures of the area and could speak on this topic with absolute certainty......but their silence is deafening!
T.E.I.N. everyone
OR....they are spent fuel rods.
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Bzzzzt!
What is something the diameter of a garden rake handle going to look like at a distance?
Those corrugated sheets they pour concrete on are at least 2ft wide, sometimes 3 ft ... definitely not thin strips.
Yes, correct. And...?
Compare them to vehicles for scale. I called them 'thin' only because of the width to length factor. They really are 2 to 3 feet wide.
Also, some of them got twisted, so don't lie entirely flat. Edge-on, they almost disappear. Just like.... wait for it... corrugated sheet metal.
You guys suck at photo interpretation.
And if I read "green crane fallen into the pool" one more time.... That crane's not the only thing fallen off it's rails.
Yes, some flat metal strips....others are tubular in appearance.....but I know - I shouldn't believe my lyin' eyes.
You suck at damage mitigation.
Perhaps you can use your genius to explain why spent fuel rods would not have been blown sky high from the intensity of the blast witnessed at reactor 3?
Yes, some flat metal strips....others are tubular in appearance.....but I know - I shouldn't believe my lyin' eyes.
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Again, think long wooden shovel handle ... besides, if they (the fuel) actually 'burned' (became hot enough for the cladding to oxidize), the Zirconium cladding losing structural integrity (by oxidizing) would have allowed the Uranium pellets within to disperse ...
So...you seem to be insinuating that the spent fuel rods located in the pool above reactor 3, were not blown-up and dispersed by the reactor 3 explosion...is that what your trying to say?
Sigh. First, lets be sure we're looking at the same images. The highest res ones available are here: http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-npp/daiichi-photos.zip
Can you please download that file, unzip it, and use a viewer that can zoom right in to the limit of the image resolution. I use photoshop, or irfanview.
Lets take image aerial-2011-3-30-0-50-20.jpg for example. This image is 2384 x 3000 Pixels (7.15 MPixels)
Zoom right in around the larger hole in the turbine hall roof, which has many of those 'long strips' lying around near it. OK, got it? Notice many of them are bent and mangled, some hanging up over roof parapets, etc. Observe the way they fold, and the way they cast shadows. if you can't see clearly that those are strips of roofing iron, you are blind.
I've used the same sort of stuff to build roofs myself. It has a profile roughly like this;
/\___/\___/\___/\ (hope that will come out right) except the tops of the 'bumps' are flatter.
Compare them in scale to the firetrucks. Easy, since there are the same strips lying around everywhere, even right next to the trucks on the ground. They are the right size for those roofing sheets. Also, if they were fuel rods do you think anyone would park firetrucks right next to them?
Next, as someone else pointed out, if they were fuel rods they'd have heated up and burnt in air, and lost their structure.
Also, if you hunt around in the images you can find edges of partially intact reactor building roof structure where you can see the same strips of metal sticking out from under the edge of remaining roof concrete slab. Case closed.
Sorry, but I think you are being irrational. You've got an idea in your head 'OMG those are fuel rods lying about!' and you aren't interested in evaluating clear imagery that contradicts your belief.
As for why the explosions wouldn't blow the rods out... you really are demonstating an inability to think here. Have you even looked at diagrams of the building structure?
Here: http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/energy/files/57694/BoilingWaterReac...
Admittedly it isn't very accurate, judging by videos from inside similar buildings. But it will do. So, rods down in the bottom of deep pools of water. Pools have extra-thick concrete walls and base, compared to main building walls. H accumulates in the building, particularly in the major open space above the pools. H explodes. Building outer walls and roof get blown to shit. Crane falls down, everything wrecked. Perhaps the pool walls or floor are cracked and leak, perhaps not.
But, the rods are still at the bottom of the pool structures. Why would an explosion _above_ them blow them _upwards_? That's just a stupid idea.
Also, examine the wreckage of the roof structures of #1, 3 & 4. In ALL cases there's no evidence of any large masses blowing upwards through the roof structure. The roofs were subjected to massive internal overpressure, but no major point impacts. #3 is the most destoyed, and even there the roof girder matrix is about half intact.
I sure wish we had actual building plans. I'd really like to know where the reactor core top is relative to the pools we can see in #3 ruins, in that image I refered to. Is it under the 'undamaged' section of roof girders? Or down in the pool that is still steaming in that image? That pool has no remaining girder grid over it, so one can't eliminate the possibility of an upwards explosion from it. But i haven't been able to find the #3 reactor pressure dome fallen down anywhere in the images. I'm keeping fingers crossed it's still intact.
Looks like the sheet metal form ceiling form work. Take a look at picture #3 again. Look to the right of the cooling fan array . There is a section of material that remained intact.
The blast pulled most of it into ribbons like string cheese.
I looked at the pics at the cryptome link. I was under the impression that the majority of the damage to the site (the generators, especially) was from the tsunami, not the EQ. But, I don't see any water marks on any of the buildings, and the railings at the water's edge appear to be undamaged. In the CM article there's a statement about cars in the parking lot that have been there since the 1st arial photos on the 12th, one day after the EQ. Considering all the pics of tsunami damage we've seen in other parts of Japan, how did all those workers get to the plant after the EQ? If they were at work during the EQ, shouldn't those cars have been washed away by the tsunami?
It seems unlikely that the cars would have been washed away by the tsunami. Google Earth indicates that the parking area is some 34 meters above sea level; hence well above the level the tsunami may have reached.
You can see them in the video too. Looks like re-rod to me. If you watch the closeup video very carefully, you can see that the blast bundled them as the concrete was pulverized, you can see some of them still attached at one end. The gaping hole there looks real bad. I doubt whether there is any water in the 'pool' at all in 3 or 4, maybe not 1 either after watching that shock wave a few times.
I heard they are gonna use bong resin to combat the leak.. Oh, and California is now the richest producer on the planet.
uber bullish as the smoke indicating the plant is safe now and people are BBQing.
You are not authorized to post comments.sorry! won't happen again!
This guy in Japan is doing everything he can to preserve redacted and deleted press releases and translate into English what is being blogged and released via MSM.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/
Worth reviewing daily for real time info
nice link thx
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/iaea-correction-iodine-131-in-iidate....
Look at this beautiful german Putzmeister pump-truck with lead-cover on the front:
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-66337-5.html
Kinda sad that they didn't had one of this earlier.
Japan government doubts Tepco’s radiation analysis http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japan-government-doubts-tepcos-radiation-analysis-2011-04-01
Japan buys giant pumps for Fukushima – World’s largest pumps will be flown to Japan on world’s largest jet http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japan-buys-giant-concrete-pumps-for-fukushima-2011-04-01
Japanese beaurocrats pissed that Tepco and Govt talking too close to the truth and issuing insturctions to STFU and remember the NIKEI.
Any information from an official Japanese source will no doubt be 80% bs,
Just out !!!!!! Flashing blue lights seen above Fukushima GOING CRITICAL !! Flashing blue lights above Fukushima GOING CRITICAL !!!! FISSION !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRoIpMNTbcQ
The only situation where Cherenkov light may contribute a significant amount of light to the blue flash is where the criticality occurs underwater or fully in solution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident
On the blue glow of intense neutron radiation, Arnie Gundersen has a video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTpr6Id_Wbw
Neutron Beams Detected at Japan Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant - 23 March
that mentions it, and has an example picture at 2:07.
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good information thanks
This is very worrying, having watched the video of reactor #4 building yesterday and the copious quantities of steam and condensation emitting from what seemed to be the spent fuel rod pool.
The lack of a staging area and the seeming absence of additional cooling/water pumping spraying machinery seems truly bizarre. They are always a few hours away from more meltdowns and thus the breakdown in a pump disrupting cooling efforts will bring them to the edge again.
Surly they must have a great number of fire trucks, massive water pumps and hoses on standby should the current water cooling machinery fails. It isn't apparent from the photos.
This lack of adequacy in materials and machinery at the plant is even more bizarre that it is not too far from Tokyo and has the capacity to poison half the country if truly out of control. With Chernobyl they threw everything at it including thousands of people.
At Fukushima it seems they are just allocating a few buckets of water and a few hunder people - where they should be going for the super over kill, since you wont get too many chances at this.
The material effort at Fukushima just seems so piddling and inadequate.
So my prediction is that the inevitable will happen. Pumps that have been going full blast for a week or so will break down, the Japanese will be scrambling to bring in new equipment and mean time all the spent and non-spent fuel rods will get dry enough to get out of hand, vaporise the remaining water and start melting and fires. Making the place even more dangerous to approach.
EDIT: I just saw the post above where they are bringing in big pumps. Though it all seems so late and behind the curve.
piddling and inadequate...
Ca-ching. I think we have a winner.
where's GW when you need him?
NOAA Scientists Accidentally Kill 3 DolphinsNEW ORLEANS (AP) - The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says federal scientists trawling for fish to test for possible damage from last year's Gulf of Mexico oil spill accidentally caught and drowned three dolphins.
http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/article/noaa-scientists-accidentally-...
LMAO
It's like those hospitals where you can go in perfectly healthy for a checkup and die 2 days later from the staph infection they gave you.
There have been fewer "events" reported these past 24 hours or so...which is probably a good thing. But, this is far, far from over and I have no doubt that there are many hurdles left to overcome and I'm quite sure ZH will continue to report them as they develop.
Where else are you going to get Hi-Rez photos, or links to realtime geiger readings?
On the Nightly News? buuhahahah!
BraveNewClimate maybe?
http://www.bravenewclimate.com/
Blue luminance... oh crap.
What's wierdest, is that last night before going to bed I was thinking that exactly this could be the 'next stage'. There's a very clear and consistent trendline, that the situation just keeps getting worse. And pretty much the next possible worse stage would have to be criticalities happening in the piles of loose fuel pellets in the spent fuel pools. Particularly of #4, which contains 'not spent' fuel.
I kind of hope there *isn't* much (or any) water left in #4's pool, since a prompt criticality would be capable of flash-boiling all the remaining water. Result - huge steam explosion, blowing the fuel pile all over the countryside.
Sigh... but in this mess, maybe that would be a relatively good thing? At least it would stop the criticality, and hence the production of fission products. And it would solve the 'how to reach and dismantle the SFP' problem.
But there's still three other reactors. Not counting #5 & 6.
Fukushima Daiichi is a mess and all efforts to date seem to be maintain the status quo.
It is not clear that they have been able to maintain the status quo given the mixed data and bs coming from the Japanese.
YOU can assume however that if all things were well, under control and now the task was simply clean up then the Japanese would be releasing much more data and video.
What we need is an insider to leak wtf is going on at the site and the real status.
I don't think there are insiders who know what is really going on. Broken instruments. everybody's operating in the dark seems like
They know one heck of a lot more than they're telling.
They know one heck of a lot more than they're telling.
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Beyond 'worst case' meltdown (uncovery of a nuclear fuel core) of a single reactor core, I haven't seen anything yet that considered fuel pools being uncovered x 4 (times four) PLUS core uncovery in 3 other reactors, combined with destruction/seawater inundation of all surrounding/supporting control infrastructure (like control rooms, EDG, incoming power from the AC grid, roads and sheds torn up) ... have you?
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by Kina
on Fri, 04/01/2011 - 20:30
#1127068
What we need is an insider to leak wtf is going on at the site and the real status.
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On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
Three weeks later where is Japanese ARMY and NAVY?
http://rt.com/news/japan-fukushima-tsunami-earthquake/
The general lack of staged materials anywhere in the vicinity indicates that authorities have not yet decided on a plan of action.
Very nice report, and I agree we are facing a prolonged GOM type Pacific-wide contamination, but the authorities do have a plan of action, and the question is why isn't it being reported: 5 of the biggest concrete-pumping cranes in the world are now on their way to Tokyo, the largest crane of which is being moved from Hanahan SC to Atlanta Hartsfield, for loading aboard the world's largest cargo plane, the Russian Antonov 225, for delivery to Tokyo next week.
From the report:
The "Chernobyl" solution here we come...there are only 3 such concrete pumps in the world, with 70-meter booms and operated with remote control. They were all made by a German company, Putzmeister. Two of them will go to Fukushima. There's also a 58-meter-boom pump from Vietnam going there, and two 62-meter-boom pumps are already on the way to Fukushima from Germany, it is understood, according to the article below.They will be first used to pump water for cooling, then to pump concrete:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-03-31/srs-concrete-pump-heading-japan-nuclear-site
I have stocked cases of tuna-in-water and tuna-in-oil, and will watch for the sale on tuna-in-concrete.
Putzmeister. Fuckin' right. Putzmeister saves the world (or, more shit you couldn't make up if you tried)....
If you're not looking for it, you won't see it:
Here:
http://www.pmw.de/cps/rde/xchg/pm_online/hs.xsl/9380_ENU_HTML.htm
And here:
http://www.pmw.de/cps/rde/xchg/SID-3C6E00FC-308BEA2B/pm_online/hs.xsl/Concrete%20pump%20is%20used%20to%20cool%20in%20Fukushima_ENU_HTML.htm
And here:
http://www.pmw.de/cps/rde/xchg/pm_online/hs.xsl/9419_ENU_HTML.htm
And, is this deployment of resources 1) just being ignored, or 2) being covered up, and if so, why ?
and if the biggest and the baddest don't do it?
WTF? 60's nuclear drill, kiss your a** goodbye.
My earlier post of a link with pictures and discussion of the pumpers used in Russia:
Nice link and photos.
Can you comment on how important to containment was the concreted tunnel dug below Chernobyl, and whether that needs to be done under Fukushima, and, if it cannot be done, what might be the consequences ?
only to hope that the underground pumping plans are in full swing given the proximity to the ocean and seismic zone
Concreting over the reactor tops without tunneling into the below sea-level/water table and filling with concrete would be very problematic, compared to the dry-land Chernobyl tunnel; my suspicion is that they have ordered delivery of the German remote-controlled concrete crane pumps, and plan to accomplish a "Chernobyl (concrete) sarcophagus" while finessing any concrete sub-floor containment that would protect the sea from contamination.
Tuna in concrete label warning:
"This tuna was processed in a facility and using machinery that also processed Tuna-in-Plutonium and Tuna-in-Light-Mercury and should not be consumed by persons having an allergy to any of the mentioned substances."
And on the front of the can is a recipes for Tuna-in-concrete CrunchyRock Tuna Flambe.
The best part is due to high radiation, it will last longer than the can it is packaged in.
+ 5 ounces/141 grams, and LOLouderAndLouder
And maybe that CrunchyRock will sell better subtitled 'TunaToothKrackay'
What is it with all the 'tuna' postings?
Just curious ...
Here;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1skI4507Rs
'Fish trafficking' - free-enterprise at work without encumbering UN resolutions and restrictions ...
For or against?
As a side note, they don't seem to have 'run out of fish' yet (if this sort of activity is still on-going, and they are still hauling-in tuna) ...
Thank you for posting this. And thank you to all of the people working on a solution.
SAD
What other word is there?
Fukushima is a physical manifestation of the hubris of humanity.
It is a physical manifestation of the banking/housing/currency/human hubris bubble.
In the markets, finance, government, and in our cultures and societies we have leveraged generations of work and sacrifice for immediate gratification and a sense of self unsubstantiated by reality.
Pushing reactors 10-20 years past their design life? Bailing out banks that hit the roulette wheel with generations of savings and retirement? Governments and central banks that support legerdemain and malfeasance, the rescinding of individual rights dating back over 900 years!?!?!?
If only HELL could rain down upon the guilty only!
Just in case :
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/survival/books/doomsday/index.htm
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/index.htm
I found this description of the accident progression by Areva to be informative:
All I want to know is:
When reactor 3 exploded where there three distinct explosions?
I am going to the bar and when I return I expect an answer.
Was reactor three the first reactor that exploded or the second reactor that exploded?
If it was the first reactor, i think I remember there were two distinct explosions.
"Who's on first, What's on second, I Don't Know is on third..."
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Sequence as follows:
1 - 3 - 2 - 4
#1 - 12 March, Saturday, 18:36 Reactor building #1 at Fukushima I, wrecked by explosion.
#3 - 14 March, Monday, 11:15 The outer building containing reactor Unit #3 at Fukushima I is severely damaged by an explosion,
#2 - 15 March, Tuesday, 06:14 3rd explosion involving Rx #2 bldg, the pressure-suppression system (the torus) is feared damaged
#4 - 15 March, Tuesday, 08:54 Explosion and fire reported at Unit 4.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_I_nuclear_accidents
It looks like two to me. The yellowish one first on the bottom side facing #4 then she went up all at once after that, with several big objects in the mix. .
When reactor 3 exploded where there three distinct explosions?
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Asked and answered several times over previously, counselor ...
By my count there were THREE (3), not two (2) and not just one (1) report (or boom). I say again THREE (3) as in one-two-THREE booms were heard on the audio accompanying that video clip of #3 reactor bldg going up. (What - did everyone just watch the video - and didn't listen to the SOUND? Just curious ...)
Here's the thinking on echoes -
-IF there were echoes from some large, nearby structure(s) (the reports sound verry close in amplitude to each other, there is a little differnce, but not much; could have been ALC or AGC on the audio levels by the recording video camera though) the number of observed/heard echoes would have been DOUBLED (for each echo-producing structure), therefore, an observation of THREE 'reports' (booms) doesn't seem to be adequately explained by simple 'echoes' being heard ...
Yeah, it's one of the big mysteries, along with why no video of the #4 explosion?
I saved the various videos of #3 blowing up. Re-ran to listen to the bangs, trying to see any evidence of visibly distinct explosions. Allowing for time delay of the sound wave. Yes, three very distinct and almost identical audible bangs, roughly equally spaced. But nothing in the visible explosion to match.
It's very odd. That and the vertical jet of debris was what made me initially think the core pressure vessel had blown. But now I'm pretty sure that can't be so.
Only faint possibility I can come up with for the 'three bangs', is that there were atmospheric temperature inversion layers, and the distant observation point got one original and two longer-path inversion layer reflections of the sound wave.
But I think that's grasping at straws. So I dunno.
Might be interesting to extract the sound track and have a look at it in a waveform editor. Round tuit..
redundant article...
One point needs to be taken to heart "without isotope analysis," there is no way to know wtf is going on either in the water or on the land.
Is the geiger guy in Tokyo still broadcasting?
Hey Mr. 7777 DisInfo thug: If you don't know wtf is going on in the water or on land, why not change your handle to: "I-Is-A-Dope" ?
He may be an asshole but he is not a disinfo thug.
I wouldn't even go so far as asshole. Maybe abrasive but that's about the extent of it. This place features more than a few hysterical types who post about how dire things are in the world without really having a clue about the subjects being discussed.
Given that most people here don't understand banking, capital markets, economics and finance in general, it should come as no surprise that some regulars here get called out for their misinformed (or badly formed or not formed at all) opinions nuclear energy and physics.
Wow, that's a little presumptuous, no? What do you think you know about ZH regulars? You've only been posting on this Japanese crisis lately. Does one need a PhD in Econ to understand the financial debacle; the gross criminal behavior and open plunder?
Nope.
+100 I've only been here over a year and still consider myself a newbie here. Respect is a plus.
PS- RoboTrader, this one is for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hon7o8nV7s4
yes, I am drunk... lmao!!! Doesn't diminish water wings point!!! :)
I like 'im.
Why All Governments Will Go Down
Governments think because they have been in charge,...that they will continue to be in charge. You can't keep lying to people while you try and figure out a way to lie yourself out of the CRISIS or pull a rabbit out of your hat. And in the example below millions of lives and families are at stake.
Those DAYS ARE GONE
I'm not picking on Japan, because we have more deception, misinformation, outright lies and hipocracy right here.
Here is an example;
GREENPEACE Measures EXTREME RADIATION 40KM From Fukushima - Why No Evacuation? By: Alex2245 From WhatReally Happened.comMaximum Annual Dose In Few Days!
Regardless of what anyone thinks about GreenPeace and their stance on fraudulent man made warning, this video clearly shows that levels at least 40km from the plant are EXTREMELY high!
People NEED to be evacuated from the area. The Japanese government is involved in a CRIMINAL cover up that possibly extends to the IAEA and various other governments who are openly lying about the situation.
A specialized contractor I know very well went to Japan last week to provide some support for these units. He thinks it is worse than is being reported on MSM, but the chaos there makes it hard to get a clear assessment. Says TEPCO management is absolutely paralyzed.
Not surprised. I was reading today about a mayor of a town beyond the enforced evacuation zone but in the suggested one and he was pleading for water, food and fuel for the people. I suspect beyond the plant itself communities have just been forgotten. The whole thing is truly heartbreaking. If the people in control are paralyzed it makes me wonder why they won't be open and ask for help.