Clarification From Charles Schumer On Flash Ban

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Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:47 | 24550 Anonymous
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Mr Schumer, Mary...."toxic liquidity/dark pools" have cured a symptom about the disease?

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:52 | 24569 Veteran
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Crime is the disease


Cobretti, I mean ZH, is the cure


Sorry, couldn't resist

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:03 | 24744 Anonymous
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Flash trades have little, if any, relation to "toxic liquidity/dark pools"

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:25 | 25047 erich
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You are killing the mood!  There is a CONSPIRACY here, run with it!

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 21:01 | 25092 MinnesotaNice
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I really wish the SEC could do some original investigative work themselves that leads to a change in regulation that they initiate... rather than simply reacting to what is put before them... they certainly are not a dynamic, nor especially intelligent organization... they seem to spend the majority of their time out-maneuvered by someone or something.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:47 | 24552 Anonymous
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Pending approval and public comment period.

And what about in the meantime?

They can ban shorting in an instant but not this?

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:50 | 24555 D.O.D.
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Your Shorts!!! Bring out your shorts!!!

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:08 | 24610 cougar_w
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Old Day Trader: "I'm not short."

The FED: "Err... he says he's not short."

Goldman Sachs: "Well, he will be soon."

Old Day Trader: "I'm feeling long SPY."

GS: "No you're not, you'll be stone short in a moment."

The FED: "Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations"

Old Day Trader: "I don't want to go all-in cash."

GS: "Oh, don't be such a baby."

The FED: "I can't take him."

GS: "Oh, do me a favor."

Old Day Trader: "I think I'll go long in PM."

GS to Old Day Trader: "You're not fooling anyone, you know."

Old Day Trader: " I feel happy. I feel happy."

The FED hits Old Day Trader with a an abrupt change in monetary policy.

GS: "Ah, thank you very much."

The FED: "Not at all. See you on Thursday."

GS: "Right."

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:28 | 24662 Dr. Kenneth Noi...
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That must be Lloyd Blankfein?

How'd you know that?

He hasn't got shit all over him!

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:50 | 24561 GoldmanSux
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Plus, I would like to know who approved it, and what procedures/methodologies/hearings were used. If they approved it without the above, they can eliminate it today.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:51 | 24565 Anonymous
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Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:56 | 24581 peterpeter
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Feel free to peruse and do a search.  This did not just happen one day...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:11 | 24620 . . .
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True, but the SEC did put Goldman's SLP program in place effective immediately without a notice and comment period.  If Goldman gets guidance ASAP, why shouldn't Senator Chucky S?

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:09 | 24612 . . .
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Very true.  If the SEC feels it is appropriate, they can issue temporary guidance that is effectively immediately without a notice and comment period.  Along with a proposal of the identical rule as final guidance, that becomes effective after the notice and comment period and hearing (if any).

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:50 | 24563 Cheeky Bastard
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This is nothing more than a fucking game show for the general public ... They know they are gonna lose in the next elections, and they know that they have to do something to remain in W.DC ... i don't believe nothing they say, and the latest game that is being played is the one between Rahm, Issa and the dude from Arizona ... and the SEC will " vote " on this as long as they can so they present themselves to the public as if they actually have some power ...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:51 | 24566 Anonymous
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Mary is fronting for her masters. Make no mistake,
the brokers(government sax) that pay her, however indirectly, control her actions. She's a liar.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:52 | 24568 Anonymous
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so now the russian hedge funds and the Antiguan hedge funds and the israeli hedge funds can now relax and not worry about front running by the goldman sachs squid. there is no honor among thieves. thank you chuckie for looking out for your boys.....

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:01 | 24593 Cheeky Bastard
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Goldman couldn't care less about banning this stuff ... they are already focused on their next scheme ... Climate exchange and trading carbon credit .... they have been setting the grounds based on blatantly un-true fairy tale of global warming since mid-90s ... and to them that cash cow is worth app. 2 trillion a year so they don't even break a sweat about this ...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:04 | 24600 Project Mayhem
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Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:18 | 24636 . . .
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Goldman has bipartisan support for their carbon emmisisons trading, for example Senators Boxer and Ensign.

It is a strange world we live in when the people fighting GS' carbon trading are regarded as extreme left (Dorgan and Sanders) or extreme right (demint and inhofe).

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:23 | 24653 Cheeky Bastard
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that's the kind of game they play ... since they have no valid argumentation to support global warming, they discredit and marginalize the people who oppose them with name calling and funding their political opponents when the election time comes ..

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:02 | 24740 ZerOhead
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Finally something I know something about. Thirty years of global satellite temperature measurements and EXACTLY .001 degree C. warming to June of 2009. Remember these multi-million dollar thermometers have been flying since before global warming was an issue. Meanwhile Hansen at NASA GISS still measures temperatures in parking lots and actually adjust these temperatures up further. Google UAH MSU Global Temperature Anomally June 2009 if you don't believe a stupid cat!!

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:20 | 24773 Anonymous
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Since ground meteorology stations went electric they have been placed mainly near building, on rooves and many are near car parks. The heat island effect is real. Plus places that have been irrigated that were dry are now heat sinks and show up warmer. The data is dodgy but debate is frowned upon.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:52 | 24570 buzzsaw99
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Piss on Schumer. GS already made their nut this year. Schapiro is Goldman's bitch.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:54 | 24575 Anonymous
Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:35 | 24684 Anonymous
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What good does it do to fine the present stockholders? The fines should go to the people who pulled this crap.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:00 | 24590 Anonymous
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Still avoiding the question of whether it was illegal in the first place. - Pitchforks

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:00 | 24591 Anonymous
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You might also want to look into the regulation that prevents US indices from ending the day in the negative. This is *^%@%# unreal!

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:01 | 24592 Anonymous
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--"Steal from the Taxpaying Masses, just don't show them what you are spending it on"....Suck it up and fly commercial until this thing blows over and we have taken over the country...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:09 | 24613 Anonymous
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did HAL / WOPR wake up 15 minutes prior to market close?

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:13 | 24625 jdoo
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Tried to find a post where this comment may be more relevant but I failed.

Can anyone explain what the hell is going on with GGC?

Based on my read these shares should be nearly worthless, not +250% from 5days ago close....

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:18 | 24634 Anonymous
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How can I find out about those moves in advance. I'm trying to get in on risk-free money by the boatload.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:23 | 24651 mule65
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15% shares short = squeeze.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:14 | 24875 Anonymous
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Their earnings were supposed to be released an hour ago but I can't find... Guess someone got word they're still solvent?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 11:39 | 25764 Gilgamesh
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They restructured debt and amended credit agreements last week.  So, no BK - at least in August.  And you're left with no more stock sellers, and lots of shorts to cover/bought-in.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:15 | 24627 Anonymous
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Public comment is hereby solicited as to whether front-running and officially sponsored theft on a colossal scale should be impeded. Somewhat. Temporarily.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:20 | 24644 Comrade de Chaos
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well, check this out:

" Aug. 4 (Bloomberg) -- American International Group Inc., the insurer rescued by the U.S. government, will release second- quarter results without a conference call this week as Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy prepares to step down."

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:28 | 24663 Anonymous
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Seems we can't stop Chucky Schumer's mouth from front running.

Don't get me wrong, flash trading should totally be banned it's just that this blowhard's prematured exclamations are not helpful.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:31 | 24676 Anonymous
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$4 MIL -> $0 < 1 YEAR.
Gotta feel kinda sorry for the determined shorts who blow up...

"I shorted 500 ES contracts at 1003.75 today. Possible target is around 935. This is more like a short term trade and the only opportunity I have to recover, as I expect this move to happen in days."

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:36 | 24689 Anonymous
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Turned $350K into $4 mil in six months. Turned $4 mil into 0 in about 5 months.

Greed is not good.

Nice job...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:32 | 24681 Anonymous
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July 15: Denial
July 20: Anger
July 27: Bargaining
July 31: Depression
August 3: Acceptance

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:03 | 24734 Comrade de Chaos
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September 3: Truth

October 3: Survival

January 3: Triumph

p.s. I doubt it's a diligent practice to evaluate returns on bi-weekly bases.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:02 | 25027 Anonymous
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Touché Comrade, persist in your ass-kicking ways.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:37 | 24799 Anonymous
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Tyler, would you be interested in what Irene has to say?

“Unfortunately, flash trading gives a bad name to high- frequency trading,” said Irene Aldridge, author of “High- Frequency Trading: A Practical Guide to Algorithmic Strategies and Trading Systems.” “Most high-frequency trading has nothing to do with flash orders, so it’s going to continue as business as usual.”

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:49 | 24821 Anonymous
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Tyler D,

Good work on this one. I think you are the real reason why this issue even came about in the first place. I don't usually post here but I thought I'd come by and say good work. Just shows how successful your blog has become.


Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:53 | 24838 KOZ
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This sounds a lot like it is coming from someone running for reelection very soon....


"We of course expect the SEC to follow its procedures for the implementation of this new rule, but there is every expectation the Commission will vote for it. The bottom line is, this practice will be eliminated."

--Senator Charles E. Schumer



"We of course expect the SEC to follow its procedures for the implementation of this new rule, but there is every expectation the Commission will vote for it. The bottom line is, this practice will be eliminated."

--Senator Charles E. Schumer

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:01 | 24852 D.O.D.
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Hello.... if anyone is reading...

The M$M keeps referring to Flash Trading as a "sub-set" of HFTPs, but I would argue the correct phrase would be, Flash Trading is a function, among thousands of funtions, of an HFTP. 

Please correct me if I am misunderstanding something...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:02 | 24855 Cheeky Bastard
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nope, you got that right, its just one of components of HFT, but nevertheless, a significant one ...

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:00 | 24853 D.O.D.
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stupid lag....

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