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Clashes Break Out Between Pro And Anti-Mubarak Groups In Cairo's Tahrir Square As Political Turmoil Spread To Yemen
According to Al Jazeera, pro-Mubarak forces have clashed with the revolutionaries, in a sign that the "counter-revolution" has begun, and an Al Arabiya reporter has been stabbed by those who prefer Mubarak. It also appears that the pro-Mubarak forces are arriving on horseback, camelback and in chariots. Elsewhere, Egypt's armed forces on Wednesday told protesters that their demands had been heard and they must clear the streets: we are confident that everyone will disperse promptly and quietly... Another indication of how powerless the regime is, was that curfew hours were shortened even though nobody had been following the original curfew to begin with. Most importantly, the revolutionary concerns spread to Yemen, where president Ali Saleh followed in Mubarak's footsteps and vowed not to extend his term in 2013. Alas, his term will most likely be cut off well short of that optimistic estimate.
From Bloomberg:
The Egyptian army said protesters should return to their homes, in a statement by a military spokesman on state television. It came hours after U.S. President Barack Obama told Mubarak that transition to democracy must “begin now.” Supporters of the president rallied in central Cairo and there were scuffles with protesters. Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh today vowed not to extend his term in 2013 after Mubarak said late yesterday he won’t run for re-election in September.
Political turmoil is spreading through the Middle East. Saleh called for a national unity government in Yemen, Jordan’s King Abdullah yesterday sacked his prime minister, and in Algeria protesters have been killed in clashes with security forces. The unprecedented protests in Egypt, which followed a revolt in Tunisia that ousted President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali on Jan. 14, have left as many as 300 people dead and roiled international stock, bond and oil markets.
“There is no chance Mubarak can last until September, there is too much water under the bridge,” said Rime Allaf, associate fellow of the Middle East and North Africa Programme at London’s Chatham House. “The protests won’t stop until he leaves or is ousted. The opposition is clear that they want the fall of the regime, not just Mubarak.”
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And Krugman his.
If only these cronies would...
Meanwhile, CNN reports about a little girl in Afghanistan who can ride a skateboard.
Time to windex the teleprompters clean, and scurry back to Cairo. Our community organizer’s duties have been summoned.
Act 2 - Same sales pitch
Obama Speech in Cairo
Heavy gunfire reported on CNN. Not on AJ yet.
The people of Egypt must hang tough and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BIjCW2_Uik
Thought this might be appropriate:
What's that? Some old marching song from one of the Crusades?
Press conference as the massacre begins.
Cute.
Well done, guys.
Robert Gibbs: accessory to murder. Right now, motherfucker.
Gibbs is a fat piece of shit. Ridicules scrawny reporters at the press conferences. He's a tiny man except for his oversize lard ass.
The Army let the plain clothes riot police into the square. The army chiefs are playing a nice game, pretend to love the people while scaring them with prophesies of anarchy (false flag 101).
People go home, they remember the army didn't shoot them. Army hands the job of President to the next pro-U.S General in line for the job after Mubarak. Token reforms occur, back to normal.
Baradei doesn't have any guts. A real opposition leader needs to take control.
I cannot understand why the protesters are in anyway pro-Military. Do they not realise Mubarak was a military man?
The noose is tightening around Mubarak - as soon as the slaying of a woman or child is depicted, it's game over. However, let's hope this doesn't happen even though it looks like it may be inevitable.
All my supplies are laid in:
- Gold
- Silver
- Junk Silver
- Rice
- Oats
- Sugar
- Salt
- Freeze Dried Food
- Water
- Toiletries
- Camp Stove w/ fuel
- Generator w/ fuel
- Batteries / lanterns
- Guns
- Ammo
- More ammo
- More guns
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Put me in, coach!You're missing a camel for mobility.
i'd say you're ready IF then when this shit ever hits the fan.
however, that fact that it hasn't already has made me feel like the little boy crying wolf.
I suggest my real friends buy some PM's but I don't tell any of my real friends what I have in my bunker, because
1) they think I'm crazy
2) as soon as they realize I'm not crazy, they'll want in
Tyler, please change the headline on this post. The MSM just cut and paste the Mubark Press release. I blogged this earlier:
Mainstream Press Calls Mubark Agent Provacateurs "Pro Mubark Demonstrators" - Giving Mubark Media / Politcal Cover for Violence.It is Immoral that Al Jazeera, and most of the US Mainstream Press is reporting the Complete Fabrication that "The Clashes between the Anti-Mubark Protesters" is with "Pro Mubarak Protesters." These so called Pro Mubarak Protesters are clearly Violently Agents Provocateur, seeking to provide political cover for Violent Crackdowns on those seeking freedom from the Military Police State in Egypt. When the mainstream goes along with this kind of Propaganda, freedom has a real challenge. The Protesters and Bloggers and everyone needs to be pointing out the truth here.
That the mainstream is going along with the Lie that the armed "Mubarak Security Forces" are "Pro Mubarak Protesters," rather than agent's of Mubarak's Security Forces which are practicing Classic Agent Provocateur tactics and False Flag tactics to justify a massive Violent Crack Down. The Military is Not Stopping the Security Forces (masquerading as "Pro Mubarak Protesters") from entering the Square and other areas, even though they are armed. Yesterday, everyone entering the demonstration areas had their ID's checked and was searched for Weapons. Now, it Perfectly Clear that the corrupt Military, who's leaders are the elite businessmen in a defacto military dictatorship are not for the People of Egypt in my opinion.
While the real Protesters carried on a very respectful and non-violent protest yesterday, it is Clear that Mubarak and his security forces have alliance only to Mubarak and given the behavior of the Military today, it seems so does the military.
As with all False Flag Operations, its designed to give political cover for immoral, unethical and violent crack downs by the government. The US is very familiar with false flag operations, as it has used them to justify virtually every major conflict it has entered going back to world war one.
The Egyptian Security forces are "thugs" and probably among the only actual "Mubarak Supporters" remaining. To call the Military and Security forces "Pro Mubarak Demonstrators" is the height of propaganda and Al Jazeera and the US Mainstream should be ashamed for not revealing the truth about what is really going on and should get the story right about this evil deception of Pro Mubarak supporters. Why is the military letting these violent people into the protest areas now? I think it becoming clear where their loyalties really are.
Duffminster
FWIW, CNN has been making a credible effort to run the story of who the thugs probably are.
I guess Mubarak better have secured access to guns, ammo, gold and food if he wants to maintain control.
Excellent post.
I like to think that out of the current population of Egypt (approx. 83 million), there will be enough of a popular resistance to oppose and defeat a thoroughly corrupt and tyrannical minority, regardless of the methods applied to suppress such resistance.
Wishful thinking, perhaps?
al jazeera is perhaps the only news force doing a continous live feed. AC Cooper and the rest fled when the violence first broke out. Al Jazeera needs to be able to stay in the square because they help keep it safer than it would be otherwise. If they are forced to leave then it could get even worse than it already is. They need to be allowed to stay put. So what if they report pro-Mubarak supporters rather than the military police and security forces, and BTW they have had plenty of citizen interviews stating the obvious to all who are watching. It is just not the reporters stating it. They are letting that be done by those they interview.
I've been watching on youtube on and off last night and today. I have only had a few lock ups and only after I was away from it and then came back to watch after pausing it. Once I had to go out of the site and come back into it to unfreeze.
http://www.youtube.com/aljazeeraenglish
IMHO, the CIA realized that Egypt would inevitably cease to be allies with the West (and Israel) and will likely fall into 'enemy hands'. Therefore, Egypt had to be preemptively destroyed. Best case, a new puppet will be put into power; worst case, enemy rulers will have no resources: no income via tourism (recall the destruction of the museums), no income from foreign government (e.g. the U.S.), no subsidies, no organized military, a real-estate crash, bank runs, a stock market crash, crushing government debt, embargoes and sanctions, civil war (perhaps more like genocide), food shortages, no taxes, no centralized government, anarchy, etc. Egypt will essentially look like Somalia.
Well no. Somalia is Somalia. For the West Egypt=Suez Canal. The Canal would need to be secured. Israel would do that. Given the instability in the region who knows what happens after that.
Interesting tidbit from Tony Bourdain's show in Egypt-
Seeing what’s happening in Egypt on the TV, I think back to when we made our show there. The price of flour had just gone up and there had been bread riots recently. The army, someone told me, controlled bread distribution. And bread makes up as much as 70% of the average Egyptian’s daily diet (more by some accounts). We wanted to shoot “ful”, the all-too-typical working man’s breakfast for much of Egypt; a watery plate of chick peas and broth, accompanied by a stack of flatbread–usually sold in the street. But our government handler wouldn’t allow it. So our resourceful producer feigned an emergency need for a bathroom and distracted him while we quickly snapped off a quick ful scene. I get what it was all about, now. This humble, dirt cheap, but filling breakfast was (as the government was all too aware) all that stood between
maintaining a hated and corrupt status quo–and the uprising we are seeing now. They were afraid. And what they were afraid of has come to pass. What’s next? It certainly doesn’t bode well for us that we’ve been supporting and arming a particular despicable (but obliging) character. Let’s hope the new guys–whoever they are– don’t hold a grudge.
http://blog.travelchannel.com/anthony-bourdain/read/here-come-the-warm-j...
It's ironic how those in the U.S. who prepared themselves for Armageddon enjoy nothing but peace and comfort while those who in Egypt who found it heretic to store more than 2 days' worth of food are the ones to perish in the chaos.
The US and the EU have peace and security while the rest of the world lives in chaos!
Well said.
'TD' seems to be missing a lot of plural tenses in this post.
The title should read
"Mubarak Security Forces in an Act of Agent Provacateur Initiate Violence Against the Peaceful Freedom Protesters so that Mubarak can Find Political Cover for His Continued Brutal Crack Down on Freedom"
It is Immoral that Al Jazeera, and most of the US Mainstream Press is reporting the Complete Fabrication that "The Clashes between the Anti-Mubark Protesters" is with "Pro Mubarak Protesters." These so called Pro Mubarak Protesters are clearly Violently Agents Provocateur, seeking to provide political cover for Violent Crackdowns on those seeking freedom from the Military Police State in Egypt. When the mainstream goes along with this kind of Propaganda, freedom has a real challenge. The Protesters and Bloggers and everyone needs to be pointing out the truth here.
That the mainstream is going along with the Lie that the armed "Mubarak Security Forces" are "Pro Mubarak Protesters," rather than agent's of Mubarak's Security Forces which are practicing Classic Agent Provocateur tactics and False Flag tactics to justify a massive Violent Crack Down. The Military is Not Stopping the Security Forces (masquerading as "Pro Mubarak Protesters") from entering the Square and other areas, even though they are armed. Yesterday, everyone entering the demonstration areas had their ID's checked and was searched for Weapons. Now, it Perfectly Clear that the corrupt Military, who's leaders are the elite businessmen in a defacto military dictatorship are not for the People of Egypt in my opinion.
While the real Protesters carried on a very respectful and non-violent protest yesterday, it is Clear that Mubarak and his security forces have alliance only to Mubarak and given the behavior of the Military today, it seems so does the military.
As with all False Flag Operations, its designed to give political cover for immoral, unethical and violent crack downs by the government. The US is very familiar with false flag operations, as it has used them to justify virtually every major conflict it has entered going back to world war one.
The Egyptian Security forces are "thugs" and probably among the only actual "Mubarak Supporters" remaining. To call the Military and Security forces "Pro Mubarak Demonstrators" is the height of propaganda and Al Jazeera and the US Mainstream should be ashamed for not revealing the truth about what is really going on and should get the story right about this evil deception of Pro Mubarak supporters. Why is the military letting these violent people into the protest areas now? I think it becoming clear where their loyalties really are.
Duffminster
The whole f'n thing is so bizarre. What if some other nation would tell our prez to step down because THEY think we are not free.....?
The Completely Insane Assholes [CIA] has not had a good track record lately; events in Egypt are seriously raising questions about their mode of operations following the cessation of WWII. A paradigm shift looks like it may be happening - the CIA now has to contend with mobile phones, digital cameras, social media, an empowered youth - can their methods work out in the open as in the past?
You can be sure that most all CIA assets currently in Egypt are likely holed up in various embassy settings, perhaps cowering in fear as the building takes small arms fire, wondering to themselves if they'll ever see their families back home.
Thats what they signed up for. As soon as it is no longer a coffee and cake run everyone gets introspective. DEFEND THE US AND THE BERNANK NOW!!!
Mubarack is America's bought lackey and not a representative of the Egyptian people
and who pray tell owns the Egyptian military? They kept Mubarack in power for 30 years. And yet the protesters supposedly love the military.
The people love the military because the average soldier is a conscript who is their brother, cousin, father. The military leadership loves Mubarak because he gives them some of the $2 billion a year of American taxpayer money so they can buy lots of shiny shit.
The BBC have reported (sorry if its been mentioned) that the camel/horse guys who charged the crowd earlier were only the blokes who do the trips round the pyramids and pissed off at losing tourist business and not government types. Couple took a right kicking
Message from a daughter in Cairo to her family about the events she is part of-
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=59463146
Blokes riding camels is fucking up my head.
But if Mubarak would step down, things would begin to mend, there are enough bright and capable people who can adequately run the country. What can an 82 year old man do? He probably has a hard enough time taking a shit...
The military, which had been controlling strict checkpoints in and out of central cairo before today, was mysteriously missing from said checkpoints today.
They aren't as neutral as they claim to be apparently.
"It also appears that the pro-Mubarak forces are arriving on horseback, camelback and in chariots..."
They're f*cking going medieval over there. We're not afraid.
Just watch your back, the Goldman Sack and the JP Morgue probably have polo ponies and awd luxury vehicles.
According to Al Jazeera 'Al Arabiya reporter has been stabbed by those who prefer Mubarak' Al Arabiya is pro Moubarak if it would be AlJazeera i would understand, Propoganda of Alajazeera and there extreme right Shaikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani who is muslim brotherhood.
You're not suggesting that AlJazeera is less than objective are you?
I love the smell of revolution in the morning, or is that Camel shit I smell?
How does this benefit Israel?
I think that's the question we need to ask.
3...2...1
I know, I know... antisemitism. Blah, blah. Bring it on.
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As someone fiercely hostile to Apartheid Israel, I couldn't disagree more.
Perhaps the Zionist Land-Grabbers have a very short window of time to do something bestial, but what?
Bomb a nursing home?
Gang rape a kindergarden classroom?
To what end?
Medium and long-term, ANY replacement for (Mu)Barak will be net bad for Apartheid Israel. Especially if the new government represents the masses on the issue of support for the White Settler Colony to their east.
Holy shit. Per A-J phone-in reporting, pavement/sidewalk being ripped up in Tahrir Square by the demonstrators to defend themselves from proMubarak (stooges) "demonstrators". Reportedly several proMubarak individuals caught by citizens -- and found to be in possession of police/internal security IDs. While not necessarily the most tactically effective, road covering as weapons is rather strongly symbolic.
Cobblestones, bitchez...
Cairo may soon come to resemble Mogadishu.
Should be great for the tourist industry.
You seemed a little less cynical of Egyptians' efforts earlier... Seems to me to be a very different situation -- there is an intact C&C structure, organized military and internal security force in existence that COULD, theoretically "take control".
The issue is, would it be possible to do so without a tremendous massacre that would inflame not only the ENTIRE populace but also the entire region. Yes, tourism is an important source of revenue, but I have a feeling there are slightly larger issues looming on the minds of Egyptian people.
Apologies for failing to include the "</sarc>" tag in my post.
I knew I was missing something...
The demonstrators seem woefully unprepared for more serious false flag attacks. I can just see the reproachful UN & US condemnatory statements after the fact...
While the removal of HM seems very likely, there are a whole bunch of likely outcomes (and paths to get there) that would be very bad for the people. I just hope there are no foreign "peacekeeping" forces sent in for 'humanitarian' reasons.
If President Obama would grow a pair, he would cutoff all military and economic aid, once the generals realize their troops won't be paid, they will deal adequately with Mubarak. I believe that the Egyptian people are realizing that the "Only thing they understand about a hard line is that it has to be erased." - to paraphrase Pablo Neruda.
The first side to use observable force is the loser, sorry Hosni...