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CME Hikes Silver Margins By 17%: 4th Hike In 8 Trading Days

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Nobody could have foreseen this. Nobody. At this point there is nothing left to comment on what is a concerted action to "mitigate" any and all risk in the commodity market but could as well be classified as executive order 6102.5. While we were joking before that soon one will have to post more cash than an silver contract is worth, we are now forced to reevaluate this sarcasm.

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240429 Vagabond
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Do they offer any explanation at all as to why they feel the need to do this in parts?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:41 | 1240457 Thorlyx
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Why buy paper anyway ? Physical sellers do not ask for margins. Just pay the full price and be done with it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:50 | 1240517 Cleanclog
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:49 | 1240532 Thorlyx
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Yeah, right.

You can make a small fortune with leverage. Provided you started with a bigger one.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:07 | 1240643 MrBinkeyWhat
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That is my favorite saying about the publishing business: To make a small fortune in publishing, start with a large one.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:17 | 1240686 Xibalba
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Corrupt muthaGOLDMANcocksuckerGENSLERmotherfucker!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:45 | 1240838 Xibalba
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:48 | 1240848 akak
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Release the (Bern)Kra(n)ken!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:04 | 1240950 nope-1004
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The ground work is being laid for QE3.  That's how I see this.  They know QE3 or some variant thereof will give PM's strength.  Beat it back down now and a new round of toilet paper can be printed going into H2.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:25 | 1241085 acrabbe
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options are the smartest way to buy or sell with leverage. Any other way and you are exposing your belly to the armed thieves.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:24 | 1241094 Gold 36000
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Burn it down.  Hit the reset button.  Gold 36000 for president.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:19 | 1241515 TwoShortPlanks
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It may be safe to say that the volitility in Silver of late indicates an attempted period without any will of course fail, and the US Dollar will die. Any QE program to come will be too late; fear in the markets will spread faster and wider than any liquidity injection.

As of 10am yesterday, the Perth Mint had 3 x 10oz Silver bars left in inventory...yes, I cleaned them out but left some crumbs...I even bought off people in the line waiting to sell...LOL!!!

Price no longer exists.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:53 | 1242380 GetZeeGold
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Confiscation is the idiots lining up to sell.


The endgame approaches.


GetZee hit the the ground gave way.


I am now taking all the physical I can find.


.....and the idiots are still not taking action.


You can't fix stupid.



Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:56 | 1242174 Michael
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I just thank God there are 200 million+ firearms in the hands of ordinary citizens. Just let them try to steal our gold and silver from us this time.

Every government agent will be targeted for death if that happens this time around.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 03:22 | 1242191 The Navigator
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And I would encourage the 80million firearms owners to also get (1) hearing protection, (2) breathing protection, (3) eye protection, (4) night vision equipment and (5) body armor - tho I suspect many of us already have that. Because this godzilla won't go down without a fight and it has a lot of high tech gadgets that out-do a 30-30.

Maybe the least costly fight is to educate our fellow countrymen as to the evils and corruption that have infected the system And that the right fight is to eradicate the Borg. I fear time is running short to do this; still, there may be a few minutes left of the clock.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:13 | 1240684 Id fight Gandhi
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You're missing the point buying paper silver or on margin. If I wanted to chase moment I'd go after the momo stocks instead.

Fiat is shit, holding cash means it wastes away, no interest paid anywhere so where else do you store wealth safely? Gold n silver.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:32 | 1240780 Pladizow
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So what' the total of the 4 hikes?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:48 | 1240525 AR15AU
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Anyone else notice that HL and CDE couldn't even fall today? They've hit rock bottom. No tricks are left in the playbook. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:21 | 1240719 candyman
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1240727 candyman
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yes they are a easy trade, Remember that HL reports on the 9 th

.10-.15 with avg of .12

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:32 | 1240761 Pladizow
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Carlos Slim selling silver futures to hedge his mine.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:41 | 1240824 Quinvarius
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At 18 he sold hedges.  LOL.  Lets keep the time line correct.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:09 | 1240963 Pladizow
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Thank you for confirming my statement is correct.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:26 | 1241553 TeMpTeK
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:30 | 1241900 Manthong
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I wish someone had a good take on why, even with Crimex and SLV being a shiny hologram, why PSLV isnt a reasonable (but premium priced) call on Ag until PSLV units can be sold off for fiat and exchanged for personal metal. 

Does anybody think that PSLV could break from Crimex spot and more closely track the physical market?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 05:14 | 1242237 DrStrangelove
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umm, leverage

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1240514 HelluvaEngineer
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I sincerely hope that everyone is doing their patriotic duty and buying physical silver at sub $40 prices.  Everyone is expecting it to go to $35 and then take off like a rocket, which means that it probably won't.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:53 | 1240541 Sierra Hotel
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I am expecting that it will, which means that it won't.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:57 | 1240589 JLee2027
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39 is the bottom.

This is it. Get physical while you can at a discount. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:05 | 1240627 Hearst
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I'd say wait till Monday and see where the price is at and if any further hikes are anounced for later in the week.  Either way, dry powder, ready to fire.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1240708 augie
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on my walk home i stopped in on a random rare coins dealer on 57th street. Guy said he's out of eagles but has "500 coming in" only 500? i bought a 10 oz troy on the spot. I'd love to buy more but at the same time i'll feel like a dick if it goes to 25. When a dealer is hoping for 500 eagles in two weeks I start to wonder if 39 isn't the bottom.


If i'm a tool and it goes to 10 you can all say what a jackass i am, but at least i listen to my instincts. Besides, its only money.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:50 | 1240876 flacon
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I bought 500 Maples today. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:08 | 1241265 Captain Benny
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What place on 57th?  I need to stock up...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:26 | 1241329 augie
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"stacks" is the name. addres is


123 west 57th street. inbetween 6th and 7th. Cool place its a family business since "1935" according the the card. I'm not sure what you are looking for but they had some kilo's for sale. A little to much for my budget right now unless the /es drops another 40 handles...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:48 | 1240880 Quinvarius
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No one is actually offering a discount.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:12 | 1241016 Chappaquiddick
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No zero is the bottom and that is where this is headed.  They are clearly signalling with these marging hikes that the market cannot cover the millions of outstanding ounces on this cycle - they are upping these margins in the most bearish way possible to shake out every hand they can.  If we stand for delivery the market will collapse as they don't have and can't source the metal needed.  This is game over for the comex.  BUY and stand for delivery and lets blow these fuckers out of the water.  This has been going on for too long and the corruption is so obvious and so all encomnpassing - this market needs to be broken and these odious criminals need jailing. This way is the only way - fuck the lot of them.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:13 | 1240672 Whalley World
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Just ran up the street and picked up a 100 oz Bar at $3940 (CAD).

I love it when the Evil Doers on the Comex and JPM discount my Shiny Stuff!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:56 | 1240882 spooz
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Waiting for Eagles to come down on ebay, but they are still going for $50.  Where do you find sub $40 physical?

Oh, guess I could take delivery on a comex contract, but 5 1000 oz bars? Not much arb opportunity there.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:59 | 1240926 KinorSensase
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i am so fucking patriotic that my rent is gonna be late.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:27 | 1241334 augie
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just tell em'

"loook maann I ain't got no money to pay the rent..."

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:37 | 1242157 AgShaman
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George T.

One of the best concerts I've been lucky enough to catch.

Thanks for the reminder

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:37 | 1241909 Manthong
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Yeah, and how many people realize how hard it is to move this crap around when you are saddled with a stash that requires a comma to total.

Patriotism is a heavy responsibility.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:48 | 1242117 dark pools of soros
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easy..check @ 1:59 in this vid


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:55 | 1242168 Manthong
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Pretty bars,  nice God nod. Premium looks steep though, site appears to ask near $400 on 100 oz.

I'm used to $100 or so on Englehards.

Oh, yeah looks like a 9mm and a couple .40's on a 10 oz. Does that mean I can appropriate labor to haul them?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:55 | 1240531 Rynak
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Their excuse for doing it, which is the same as that one used by the troll brigade, is that it is done because the silver market is so volatile. The problem is that those hikes strongly helped making silver as volatile as  it is now, in the first place!

So, it's cause and effect mixed up..... and some kind of selffullfilling prophecy... they don't like the high silver prices, and justify the hikes by "high volatility".... then after they repeated this often enough, these measures result in a silver market that is actually "volatile". At that point, they in terms of argumentation have reached a loop.... do it because of the volatility that is caused by doing it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:30 | 1240656 akak
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Like the burly white trash husband to his meek and frail wife:

"It's all your fault! Why the fuck are you always making me beat you?!"

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:00 | 1240816 strannick
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To paraphrase Chris Rock on domestic violence:

CME's Jeff Christian: "I neva, eva, EVA hit a (silver market), but I shore shake the shit outa her"

Meanwhile CFTC Commisioners Dunn Omalia and Sommers sit drinking malt liquor on the front yard next door and shout 'atta boy Jeff, hit 'er agin! (with another margin hike) Show her whose boss!'

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:49 | 1240888 flacon
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Wives can be just as cruel. "Now see what you made me do!"

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:41 | 1241375 Hephasteus
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One of the methodologies of cruelty is mocking and instigating a fight with a weaker opponent. Gives you an excuse to say they brought it on themselves.

See bankers with psychopath armies flaunting 2008 to 2011.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:53 | 1240552 Dr. No
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They are doing in parts to allow a few select large specs to unwind long positions and to add to short positions.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:14 | 1240683 Hook Line and S...
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Continuous reminder to the weak of hand that they better bow down to their paper lords Will. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:38 | 1240438 Hearst
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:38 | 1240439 Roy Bush
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Boy oh boy, am I taking a bath....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:43 | 1240476 tmosley
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Eliminate your margin, and go all physical.  No pressure on those of us who are doing that.  Well, some.  That is, trying to time the next buy.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:44 | 1240494 Ray1968
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Same here.

Tyler rightly points out the hypocrisy of not raising margins on the Mini S&P. Evidence of hypocrisy, fraud, manipulation.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:54 | 1240533 hambone
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And you expected what? 

Get over it from here on...there is a war being waged to maintain TPTB...if you are on the other side, you risk everything. 

Hard money is revolutionary and threatens TPTB.

It may be a risk worth taking but risk all the same.  And the risks will only likely become more grave regardless leverage or physical.

Understand this.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:00 | 1240591 cossack55
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I have been at war with TBTF for years.  All wars have csualties. I'm still breathing and still buying the dips. I will never sell. These are Estate Purchases. Like antique furniture and fine art, only portable and easily hidden.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:34 | 1240805 DoChenRollingBearing
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Exactly right cossack55.  Estate Purchases, nicely put.  To be quietly given away.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:45 | 1240859 Hulk
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Our $1500 drink on Friday night DCRB?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:41 | 1240440 Id fight Gandhi
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Are they in on the manipulation? When was the last time anything had margins hiked this much in a short period of time?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:44 | 1240458 Burnbright
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I've been reading market news for the last three years for at least an hour to two a day and never heard of anything like this.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:21 | 1240737 Id fight Gandhi
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They're obviously doing these hikes to protect investors.

ES is just too safe.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240697 Hook Line and S...
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Stop playing in the crooks corner. Buy physical and focus on something else.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:41 | 1240441 Goofy Bastard
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God damn things must be close to a major breaking point.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:57 | 1240587 Creed
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God damn things must be close to a major breaking point.



no shit


I smell something burning

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240695 Eternal Student
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The Comex Gold and Silver vaults are on fire.

It's a funny thing, though. I didn't think that PMs could burn.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:41 | 1241396 Fagin_Lives
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They can if they're made of nothing but paper.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240443 JustPrintMoreDuh
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Circling drain.  Speed increasing.  Keep firing assholes!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1240580 Crack-up Boom
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lol!  A comma between "Firing" and "assholes" would make this comment much less funny.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:23 | 1240734 Troublehoff
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I like the way you think, Crack-up Boom...

I'm with you on the Crack-up Boom prediction too.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240444 Id fight Gandhi
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Shitnbc had a news alert that Carlos slim was selling silver futures.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:49 | 1240518 Calculated_Risk
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Yeah, they were also screaming how the high volumes in slv is "lunacy!!!!"


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:54 | 1240544 Missiondweller
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Isn't it interesting how they ignored silver's rise but are covering its decline hour by hour?

I have no respect for them, none at all.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1240576 Id fight Gandhi
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Only thing that matters is momo stocks and spinning news. Little wonder their ratings suck balls

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:59 | 1240601 ZapBranigan
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Totally dude...couldn't have said it better myself.  Unreal.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240447 Burnbright
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HAHAHAHA 4 margin hikes and silver is only down 20%. Bring it comex. Fix that price dipshits, it will be the end of you.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:04 | 1240629 JLee2027
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My guess is these extensize and coordinated margin hikes were the ace up their sleeve, and it didn't work. 

Silver appears perfectly stable to me at 39. We consolidate and then it's upward again.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:40 | 1240449 Yen Cross
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Off shore. CFD's. 2%

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:45 | 1240452 mynhair
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I luv it.  Project 13 more to get to 100%.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:11 | 1240661 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I think they only need to get down to the point where JPMs back in the money. Of course, if they did kill it 95% down (on paper) that'd be fine too.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:44 | 1240461 A_MacLaren
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If the amount of margin is supposed to be relative to the value of the contract, why are Margin Requirements still being raised as the price is falling?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:46 | 1240487 Burnbright
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Captian obvious: Because they don't have silver?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:46 | 1240489 mynhair
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To hammer paper, dear boy.  Buy the miners now.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:35 | 1240798 NidStyles
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Already started that last week when the first down turn started.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:33 | 1240799 NidStyles
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Already started that last week when the first down turn started.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:51 | 1240501 Yen Cross
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If you have the means.  5,000 TOZ XAG contract @ 50:1 is tick by tick 39.34 times 5000 is 196,570.0  Divide by 2 and pick your posistion size! Just watch your Base Margin! That is all I pay attention to. It's all about margin, not leverage!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:00 | 1240618 cossack55
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If I understood what you just said, I might be tempted.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:25 | 1240699 Yen Cross
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I stand corrected. Thank You. 5000 (toz /xag)x2% xag is (4000 usd) @40.00.(xag) @ 50:1

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:50 | 1240878 akak
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You forgot the MethMan coefficient:

X ($5 to dig from the ground)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:22 | 1241306 Sabibaby
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Sweet, you'll give me $5 for each shovel full of dirt!?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240681 Yen Cross
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Your margin cost is current xau price ( leverage your choice) ME 50:1. 2 percent of 200k is 4000. Your account margin is your business.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:42 | 1241164 acrabbe
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Yen Cross. You appear to be a real trader. I just took my trading account public for consumption by the unknowing masses. Tell me what you think. You might even be moved to subscribe and/or autotrade.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1240584's picture

If the amount of margin is supposed to be relative to the value of the contract,


Not my area of expertise but I believe that the margin is a fixed dollar amount per contract for a fixed amount of silver (1000 oz?)  and is not calculated as a percentage of the value of the silver.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:04 | 1240631 A_MacLaren
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(It is/was a rhetorical question... The criminal actions and intent of the Paper Price Suppression Silver Cartel are obvious.)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:44 | 1240467 gimli
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This is starting to sound like an SNL skit

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1240493 tmosley
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1240516 gimli
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....... yes, more cowbell ......... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:50 | 1240519 gimli
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....... yes, more cowbell ......... LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:45 | 1240472 Hal n back
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Pretty soon CME wil be competing with Tulving.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:43 | 1240475 mr. mirbach
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And how exactly does this effect JPMourge?


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:43 | 1240477 Re-Discovery
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Idiots on CNBC said it's because of all the volatility.  Immediately, as if someone was pulling a string in their back.  Reeaally?  Thanks guys for that incisive and questioning reporting. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:53 | 1240484 plocequ1
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Gee, Who didn't see this coming? You are dealing with a power greater than The almighty himself. Denninger warned about this. Like little kids playing with matches, You get burned. Im Just playin', Im just sayin'

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:00 | 1240592 dumpster
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  denneenger warned // yep the guy who said you cant have sex with gold


  the guy who looks in the mirror 6 times and day and says yes

denneger the guide and profound guru of gurus


are you changing your diapers yet for new bee ,, in the markets guy where denneger is the new pivot point


so you just bought a new lap top and found how to bookmark


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:42 | 1240831 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha ha, dumpster!

Good seeing you around.  If you see Hulk, tell him it's OK to have that drink he asked about at gold at $1500.

We should all meet if/when we reach FOFOA's $50k and have a REAL party!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:49 | 1240886 Hulk
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Right here DCRB. Keep swinging Dumpster, they have been on our ass since $18 and $900, LOL! How about that $1500 drink Friday night DCRB?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:01 | 1240623 Creed
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lol @ Denninger & his sycophants


he's been in a mad funk for months over silver,

years over the rise in metals




Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:06 | 1240638 mynhair
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Doucheinger just can't reconcile that he voted for ODammer.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:02 | 1240953 spooz
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He's a Trumpster these days, still lookin at that birth certificate with his magnifying glass. Oh, wait, maybe its the college records now.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240668 akak
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Herr Oberstgruppenforumfuhrer Denninger is just a financial idiot savant ---- with emphasis on the "idiot".  His innumerable and historically ignorant tirades on the "threat of deflation" (and other unicorns), and his positively rabid, spittle-flecked disingenuous rants against gold that exceed even the worst anti-gold hypocrisy of Jon Nadler, are just some of the many proofs that his arrogant bluster hides an ignorant and insecure, pathetically intellectually weak little man.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:32 | 1240782 Bananamerican
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both of them

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:37 | 1240815 akak
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I simply had to post that, partly because I strongly suspect that Karl "MarketStalag" Denninger regularly reads these comments, if in fact does not actually take part in them ---- most likely as one of the ever-present, arrogant, disingenuous anti-PM trolls.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:47 | 1240857 High Plains Drifter
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yeh i think he uses the zh for market ticker subject prep too.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:00 | 1240892 akak
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Is his gulag of a forum still actually operating?

I actually used to daily read his MarketTicker blog, until his complete ignorance of monetary theory and history, his cluelessness on the value of holding gold and the precious metals in general, and his arrogant intolerance of ANY dissenting opinions in his mockery of a forum, made themselves fully evident to me.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:12 | 1241003 spooz
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He is an expert on SOOOOOO many things, from nuclear safety to graphics to any and everything financial.  Latest is his definition of "natural born citizen".  He's a legal scholar now too.

Far be it from me to defend Obama.  He's a tool who promised everything and delivered nothing other than another round of kick the can. There is enough he is doing wrong without making stuff up.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:04 | 1240965 spooz
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I see this all the time.  He comes out with a breaking story and when you look at the time its like 20 minutes behind ZH. Except for his birther stuff, he's way ahead of the curve there...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:13 | 1241009 High Plains Drifter
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its just like jim willie said one time. he never has had a original thought in his life....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:59 | 1241842 trav7777
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no, he said gold made a good doorstop.  Now that may be utterly stupid, but it IS original!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 04:12 | 1242208 Stormdancer
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No Trav, it really isn't.  I've heard that phrase from people who couldn't mount a coherent argument many times before I even knew who Denninger was.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:29 | 1241107 acrabbe
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hear hear!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:48 | 1240497 Global Hunter
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If it moves up hike margins, if it moves down hike margins, if they release pics of bin Laden hike margins, if they don't hike margins.

A coin dealer here in Toronto seemed bemused I wanted some silver maples today.  Things economically have been decent here, my American friends should come up here to live.  Please bring your 2nd amendment rights with you when you come, I can't get any ammo up here.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1240521 mynhair
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2nd Amendment.  Do I have to clear it with Queen Kate first?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:52 | 1240551 Global Hunter
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2nd is the right to bear arms one I hope.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1240572 mynhair
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Yes. Sorry, a cigarette ash on the screen made your 2 look like a 5.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:27 | 1241330 Global Hunter
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crap, I had 5th and immediately edited I should have pointed that out. Really admire the US constitution and didn't want to disrespect it with my brain fade.  Like silver/gold I hope it comes back after being ignored for so long.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:23 | 1240749 Abitdodgie
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I live in North Dakota Iwill ship it over for you.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:45 | 1240500 Goldenballs
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Quite simply if no one buys it because thats the only way the corrupt paper silver market can be saved from official public collapse will we end up with physical Silver at $500 per ounce and Silver paper at $0.00 per ream.Sure looks like it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:03 | 1240621 Timmay
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Bingo man, that's the REAL decoupling....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:43 | 1240843 Double down
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Entirely right.  It is the market place that fails not the monetary metal.  That obviousness begins to stand out.  Corrupt liquidity is worse than an illiquid market.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:46 | 1240502 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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What a criminal enterprize the U.S. has become, 100% corruption everywhere you look. 100% fascism. 100% stinking turd.

Markets act normal until the U.S. opens... then it's all criminal intervention for the rest of the day.

Turn to Russia today if you want to see what a free news media looks like.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:53 | 1240557 Tracerfan
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Russian media is much more informative than the media in the U.S.  It is for people with brains who are capable of independent thought, unlike the mind-mush zombies the U.S. has created through the Tube.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:06 | 1240635 topcallingtroll
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Russian media is now held up as honest!

They have their agenda. Be careful with their brand of kool-aid

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:12 | 1240680 Creed
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Russian media is now held up as honest!




Al Jazeera too


seems like there's a whole crop of folks that forgot the history of the last 100 years



Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:33 | 1240787 McPoopypants
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+ Roubles

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:45 | 1242032 roninmd
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Roubles Bitchez!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:48 | 1240505 Gubbmint Cheese
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keep pressing comex.. your end is coming

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1240509 TruthInSunshine
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Bart Chilton is my hero.

When are they going to raise the margins this many times on wheat, crude, corn, sugar, coffee or copper?



Cash & Carry, bitchez! That'd be the ultimate solution to deal with punk ass bitches like Bernanke, Masters & Jameeey Dimon.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:11 | 1240652 Franken_Stein
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Once the big boys on Wallstreet go down in a giant crash, the funk and stench of a thousand years will be released in the process.


All the concentrated tarry evil will flow out of it.


Reminds me of one of those "Star Trek TNG" episodes,

the one where Tasha Yar dies.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:01 | 1241845 trav7777
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that episode sucked.  Because they killed the chick with the big tits

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:22 | 1240725 buzzsaw99
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When are they going to raise the margins this many times on wheat, crude, corn, sugar, coffee or copper?


When JPM is caught short.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:49 | 1240511 GFORCE
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Setting up for the largest weekly drop in silver EVER, which highlights further the herd piling in to the trade du jour on the way up. JPM loving it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:50 | 1240540 SilverRhino
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Setting up for the largest weekly drop in silver EVER

That's fine by me ... I'm waiting for my back the truck up moment.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:46 | 1240513 Korrath
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Noob question, so bare with me; don't the margin increases bite the shorts in the ass as well? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:57 | 1240590 Quintus
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Yes, but they have a money pipe that runs directly from the basement printing room of the Mariner Eccles building straight into their trading accounts.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:59 | 1240599 hambone
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JPM and it's ilk have no trouble coming up w/ more fiat @.025% for the raised's the physical silver they having a bit of difficulty with.  This is a huge win for the Morgue.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:19 | 1241295 Imminent Crucible
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Huge win for JPM? No, a reduced loss, for now.  It's Gresham's Law: Paper silver drives physical silver out of circulation.  The more they crush the paper price, the higher physical premiums get and the harder it is to find.

Silver eagles are back to $6 to $7 above spot, if you can get any.  JPM is burning the house down to keep from freezing to death.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:19 | 1242081 hambone
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Point granted.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:12 | 1240674 Long-John-Silver
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1's and 0's in a binary file cost almost nothing to create. Even ink impregnated  linen cost's more.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 04:22 | 1242216 Urban Redneck
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There aren't enough intaglio printers in the world to keep up with the digital bernankasarus, and if they even tried to create  FRNs to back QE, cotton futures would finally reach an all-time high.   

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:51 | 1240746 dogbreath
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if somebody went short at say 49 their account would be +++ 47500 (Si @39.50) clams so a margin call would not be triggered though the shorts as well as longs must maintain whatever the current margin is.  The longs depending on their entry point will be underwater to varying degrees.  If you were long at 38 you would still be up 7500 but the additional margin requirements might get you a margin call depending on how flush your account was to begin with.  Brokerage will sell your contracts at market if you don't come up with the dough quick. 


As optimistic as I was with Ag/Au making new highs,  this is the same modus operandii as every top/margin call squeeze since the bull was born.  Where the bottom is I don't know but would make a guess at below 30.  BTFD.  There will be summer doldrums and a period of consolidation.  

RobotTrader was right about saying they can throw tons of paper at the market to force it down.  As for the put buyers at 48-49,  i eat humble pie.  good call for a trader.

My experience is that when margins are increased, it is a foolproof sell indicator for the reason of the second example above.  Undermargined longs still get margin calls although their strike price is lower than the current one.


Jim Rogers has said several times that futures should be traded with 100% margin.  The current cascade is contract liquidations at market createing more volatility and insider selling into the crash,  raising margins and in this case for the forth time,  more liquidations..............wash rinse repeat.


I was cleaned out a while back.  The squid will destroy all the small specs and some of the larger ones before we hit bottom.

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