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Is CNBC For Sale?

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There may be some major changes in the NBC ownership structure according to media and financial pundits. Even as General Electric is dealing with significant balance sheet problems, which have been temporarily swept under the rug compliments of unjustified Goldman Sachs stock upgrades, it may be looking at getting rid of its "vanity play", the NBC TV station family, which of course includes CNBC. According to MarketWatch:

Even in good times, NBC can seem to resemble a loose shirttail in GE's body of assets. If you could figure out why GE has dubbed NBC a "core asset," then feel free to call GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt. He's likely wondering at times, too.

NBC's image was shaken in July when Ben Silverman, co-head of NBC's entertainment operation, exited the network. The Wall Street Journal observed that the executive's departure was "ending one of broadcast TV's high-profile experiments in re-inventing itself as its dominance continues to wane."

And while NBC is having few and far between successes, even as the popularity of the mainstay "Tonight Show" drops (from 18 million viewers down to 6 million), the network's other presumably profitable channels, CNBC in particular, have also seen a dramatic drop in their viewer metrics. The melting ice cube of the traditional media core holding has lead MarketWatch to observe the "the key question is when -- not if anymore -- Immelt will sell NBC, whose portfolio includes NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo and other assets."

Michael Holland adds:

"Immelt has shown that he is capable of disposing things that don't fit the mainstream at GE," Holland pointed out. Holland said Immelt would take seriously the prospect of selling NBC "if he were offered a bid for it today. But now is not the best time. They're not doing that well and valuations are down. This is not time to get a great price.

Unfortunately this very well may be the best time for a media venture, as the market gradually begins its reintroduction with gravity. Recall that Harbinger recently sold a major stake of its NYT holdings: it appears others have top ticked the media market. Jeff Immelt is likely not too far behind Phil Falcone in this regard. As such, it is unlikely that valuations will increase markedly from this point on. The only question is who will acquire the NBC family, and whether subsidiary companies such as CNBC and MSNBC will be included in the package. At first blush, it does not seem a practical move, as most major networks have been developing their own business related channels: if anything, the probability of selective picking off of specific anchors and personalities would make much more sense, than paying for the "intangible" value of a station like CNBC, which over the past 6 months has attained a definitive reputation of selective reporting bias and prejudice.

Perhaps this is the moment for CNBC to start being an objective TV station once again. After all, that is the only way it can hope to regain its floundering viewership. Yet, while it is caught in the Catch 22 of being a subsidiary of one of the most financially troubled conglomerates, the likelihood that it will promote objectivity and diligent reporting is next to negligible: GE has nothing to gain from CNBC spreading the truth about the domestic economy without 10 shades of rosiness. Thus CNBC is caught in a toxic spiral, whereby its value drops every single day it remains a GE sub. And Jeff Immelt is likely very much aware of this phenomenon. Which is why readers should not be too surprised if in the next several weeks or months Bob Pisani uses his "victory for the bulls" catchphrase a mere 10 times per day or less, as it may very well be time for a strategic shift in orientation of CNBC, and quite possibly, an outright sale.

h/t AsiaBlues


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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:46 | 80578 Ned Zeppelin
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Let's chip in and buy it!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:21 | 80597 Miles Kendig
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Given the current metrics shouldn't GE pay us to take it off their hands?

I suspect that merging CNBC with the Internet focused business forums may well be the only way left to save it.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:36 | 80606 MinnesotaNice
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CNBC is just a brand... with some anchor contracts... and commercial contracts... they probably lease the set... there would be nothing else really tangible in an asset sale with goodwill being the basis of the sale.  So I agree... GE should pay us... and wouldn't that be fun to have such a forum for ZH type material... but I bet the FCC would get busy on new regulations to assure that only appropriate financial information that is in the 'best interests' of the country can be played on network television.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:35 | 80763 Anonymous
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They have huge facilities on Sylvan Ave. in Englewood Cliffs, NJ.

Sun, 11/07/2010 - 00:52 | 706110 sohbetme
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I like your ideas and chat

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:20 | 80788 Miles Kendig
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but I bet the FCC would get busy on new regulations to assure that only appropriate financial information that is in the 'best interests' of the country can be played on network television.

That is precisely the reasoning behind my suggestion MnN.  That the broadest dissemination possible of the information contained here at ZH and many other online forums is in the best interests of the nation by serving to inform the nation.  You know... a well informed & engaged populace is the foundation upon which a responsible self governing society is built.  Once a broad portion of the populace gets to hear, read & see what we have to offer any attempt to regulate it away would have the most untenable consequences for the status quo. 

If Jeffrey Immelt wants in on the next big thing in media the time is now, as long as he is willing to take the hit to his other subsidiaries that being a true champion of the free flow of information would require.  I firmly believe that the time is fast approaching when we will discover who really has the power.  The monster or those that created and released the monster.  This is but one of a few options out there that are "off the shelf" that could be deployed in the attempt to corral the monster.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 08:54 | 80829 MinnesotaNice
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Very eloquent Layne... and so true...

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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:58 | 80617 deadhead
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great idea Ned.

The Tyler Durden Show could feature him with a different colored bag over his head everyday.

Mad Money would be replaced by the Gordon Gekko "buy gold or you're a moron" show. (you know i love you gg...)

Robo's reamjob and poleaxe plays of the day recap (naturally, Robo will demand contract extensions for MCC, or at least her cans).

Project Mayhem and "the end is near" segment, featuring a daily over/under on how many days the earth has left to exist.

Walstreet Pro guy will do live rant features using real sell side analysts as batting targets.

this has some possibilities....

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:01 | 80619 michigan independant
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OTC i assume

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:24 | 80635 arnoldsimage
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it would be more appropriate if tyler wore a guy fawkes mask.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:38 | 80792 Miles Kendig
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I would prefer this one DH & Co.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 08:36 | 80828 deadhead
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I've always enjoyed a common sense approach!

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:38 | 80793 Howard_Beale
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Love it DH...

Sat, 11/14/2009 - 02:24 | 130484 dnarby
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Andrew Jackson would be far more appropriate.

Dig it:

"“I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the Bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out and, by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out.” - From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson, February 1834, according to Stan V. Henkels, Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States, 1928"

Not to mention Fawkes tried to blow up his goverment, but instead got caught and executed.  I sympathise with the anti-statist sentiment, but do we really want to lionize an incompetent anarchist is beyond me...

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:53 | 80864 MsCreant
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I nominate deadhead as program director.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:55 | 80891 DaddyWarbucks
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LOL! That is quite a line up.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 06:49 | 81258 Anonymous
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Jerry and the boys music videos. . .

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:00 | 80585 arnoldsimage
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too late... blankfein wants his pet a wee bit closer to his vest.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:11 | 80590 Anonymous
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The unraveling of the Viacom deal with GE is probably playing a part in this. GE sure doesn' have the cah to buy Viacom out.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:14 | 80591 RobotTrader
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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:44 | 80612 bonddude
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Fukin A bubba...let's add Liz Claman and Rebecca Diamond and we're hard news reporting !

What an upgrade.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:40 | 80794 Howard_Beale
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Liz Clamen would never go back to CNBC...even under new leadership. And sorry Robo--MCC only gets to anchor if her mic is off.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:02 | 80618 deadhead
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robo...funny!  I swear under the penalties of perjury that I wrote my response before I saw yours....


too funny!

edit...the CIT tape under MCC cannot be a coincidence....

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:04 | 80839 ToNYC
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Animal prints are so over and she can't speak American..don't they want her where they drive on the wrong side? But now MCC for sure as long as she wears sweaters we don't need to watch the tape and remember there are gifts that nature provides that balance the whole package. The lip enhanced and psycho-clown rumor monger are toast indeed.

Mon, 09/28/2009 - 10:18 | 81386 Anonymous
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Love it!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:15 | 80593 buzzsaw99
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CNBC has jumped the shark more times than the law allows. They have been irrelevant since the tech crash. Mouthpiece for teh billionaires, that's all they are.

Sat, 11/14/2009 - 02:26 | 130485 dnarby
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I disagree - They jumped it once, and never came back down.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:18 | 80595 putbuyer
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I think people know in an increasing wave that the whole NBC propaganda machine is bullshit. Just look at the Nielsen numbers across the board - FOX is killing them. The only way CNBC has a chance is if they let Santelli run the network.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:30 | 80639 Anonymous
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Fox is nothing but Rupert Murdock's mouth piece or triple bullshit.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:43 | 80768 Anonymous
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If Santelli goes on Fox, CNBC goes into rigor mortis.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:45 | 80859 Anonymous
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That has more to say about the intelligence of the vast majority of the American people than it does about anything else.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:18 | 80899 DaddyWarbucks
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I won't attempt to defend the general public except to remind you that the U.S population has been the subject of the worlds largest mind control experiment for the last 60 years, by many, many, times the largest and most extensive effort. There are two facts about propaganda that one should never forget

1. It works on everyone to some degree or other( Yes, believe it or not, even all the uber-intelligent types.)

2. For any given individual, within some range of response, greater exposure has greater effect.

With number one in mind, different vehicles are constructed targeted at different groups. The CNBC sound byte group gets the Kramer flavored koolaide and the meet the press crowd gets the Roubini flavor. The complexity and nature of the deceipts may vary but it's all good as long as the thoughts, decisions, and actions of the audiences are moved in the same direction. If the ZH audience becomes large and influential enough ZH may get coopted and put on the menu as well. It's been done before.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:38 | 80909 Problem Is
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Absolutely correct analysis, Daddy W.

For a well documented primer on the massive US propaganda onslaught of the 20th century, read:

"Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"
Alex Carey

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:32 | 80602 Manfred
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CNBC is a useful economic propaganda machine. MSNBC is even more useful to the dems and NBC proper a derivative (ironically) of the former. Should they be sold it will be to a "friendly". Reference Zero's article from a few days ago:

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:33 | 80603 1TAAT
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Sell now while you can, you putz. I turned off CNBS a few years ago, and don't miss a thing.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:33 | 80604 ShankyS
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Good riddance.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:37 | 80607 putbuyer
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Even more problems. This story broke last night.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:37 | 80608 Bubby BankenStein
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The leadership @ CNBC have destroyed their brand and are steadily damaging the credibility of GE.

GE, the great industrial company, lost it's way by misadventures in finance and media.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:39 | 80609 Missing_Link
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Looking forward to Zero Hedge TV.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:45 | 80613 bonddude
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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:55 | 80615 putbuyer
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I think you are on-the-money. Look how big has gotten. Also love watching Denninger videos. Of course, our leaders would have to wear masks. The ladies can go topless. Anyway, great idea because my lazy want to know whats going on, but to lazy to read friends, would at least watch and forward.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:43 | 80611 digalert
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Contemplating the sale, two things keep appearing in my mystic powers mind, taxpayer $$$ and Obama. NBC media is a propaganda machine that will be spared, ratings or not, at our expense of course.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:55 | 80616 Anonymous
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shut it down for good

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:03 | 80621 River
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Alas, their current cast can hardly perform an about-face without exposing themselves for the shills that they are. Without at least some of the current line-up, what are they? Where's the value? Art Cashin is the only voice I hear any more when it comes to CNBC. I only watch on rare occasions now, and then it is just to hear what yarns the road-to-recovery puppet masters are spinning today. Pasani must go. Dennis (the moron) Neal must go entirely. Erin Burnette must go. Steve Lies-Man must go. All the liars and cheerleaders need to be shown the exit if CNBC is to regain any semblance of believability again. But they cannot let them all go and still lay claim to be anything but a few sets and some call letters. They deserve a slow ratings death for the lies they have helped to spread these many months.


Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:32 | 80626 putbuyer
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Dennis the Menace has bit the dust already. Great story and i think they should hire this big knockered reporter.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:28 | 80854 McGriffen
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unfortunately Dennis is on at mid-day...only his show took the axe

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 13:40 | 80932 MsCreant
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She is pregnant so the knockers will not stay big. Deal breaker for you?

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:08 | 80625 RobotTrader
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Applications for Anchorettes for

Zero Hedge TV

now being accepted.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:17 | 80629 putbuyer
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3rd top row. Looks like Brooke Shields - the one from vagina. Regardless, she is the type that apears in my dreams. Awake, I lean torward the goth and nerdy chicks.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:03 | 80670 Thurgy
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did you mean to say third top toe?

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:16 | 80630 deadhead
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absolute brilliance robo.... funny, funny shit.


Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:18 | 80631 MinnesotaNice
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No way Robo... Zero Hedge TV will have intelligent, yet beautiful women of substance... and a few sexy men thrown in... and you are not on the official selection committee... your taste is very questionable  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:23 | 80634 Lothar the Rott...
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Update your resume, MN. :)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:27 | 80636 MinnesotaNice
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Clearly I am going to have to... as are Lizzy and MsCreant... this male dominated ZH world is getting to be a real problem  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:35 | 80644 Lothar the Rott...
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I think they should as well.  Y'all can have your own segment on ZHTV.  Triple threat anchors!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:04 | 80728 Sqworl
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I'm a girl too!!!!  :-(

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:09 | 80730 Lothar the Rott...
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Erm, sorry about that as yes you are.  Join the XX-chromosome movement on ZH. :)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:28 | 80743 Lothar the Rott...
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Erm, sorry about that as yes you are.  Join the XX-chromosome movement on ZH. :)

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:43 | 80795 Miles Kendig
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I am sure that there is ample cake available to go with the cookie segments MnN.  hehe

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:12 | 80872 MinnesotaNice
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This is hopeless... just hopeless  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:32 | 80640 MinnesotaNice
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You are off the selection committee also!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:43 | 80648 putbuyer
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I would guess the landing strip is not a requirement

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:58 | 80665 deadhead
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i'm thinking that landing strip is Andy's subtle way of reminding us that airplane orders are an indicator to watch for.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:22 | 80900 DaddyWarbucks
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I'm glad the curtains match the drapes. I like a woman with taste.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:47 | 80653 MinnesotaNice
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If you have to ask why... then that in itself is an immediate disqualifier for the selection committee... and she is practically naked Andy... your taste is equally as bad as Robo's  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:54 | 80659 MinnesotaNice
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Because she has to have more qualifications than see-thru panties  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:58 | 80664 MinnesotaNice
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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:26 | 80691 Hephasteus
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Let me handle it. I already have casual friday uniforms ready.

We'll have to slowly convert them from the vacuous model types. LOL

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:33 | 80701 MinnesotaNice
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lmao.... I really don't think we need to go that far... I was thinking perhaps a nice tailored suit from Talbots without cleavage necessarily having to show.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:09 | 80870 mikeyv1970
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Nothing is hotter than a spectacularly intelligent woman AND one who is stunningly beautiful as well.  The use of a woman (or man!) for such eye candy is obvious.  IE: She will instantly get the attention of MEN and WOMEN as well.  A man can be decent as long as he in Intelligent and can articulate well to garner the attention of both men and women.  Greta Van Sustern is intelligent as hell but I can't get past that fucking nose she has to really listen to her.  I am NOT advocating wearing revealing clothing...etc for EITHER sex as it would detract from the message.  However, having eye candy of either sex WILL draw in more viewers as they will be interested now only in the hotty factor but will also be captured into LISTENING to the message.  There is a reason why CNN and Fox News have hot women on period.  You may not like may not be politically correct BUT it WORKS as a means to get folks attention.


Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:59 | 80666 Cheeky Bastard
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can i be on teh titty commiteh :D ... i kid i kid ( don shoot woman )

actually, i was thinking in applying for a job at ZHTv; something including insulting people while giving a 6 hr lecture on the idiotic nature of EVERYTHING.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:01 | 80668 MinnesotaNice
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Perfect... you can have your own spot... but you are not on the selection committee... I think the only one I would trust would be Deadhead...

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:08 | 80678 Cheeky Bastard
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oh noes, no titteh commiteh pour moi, Cheeky sad. 

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:09 | 80679 MinnesotaNice
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lol... you'll get over it... you have more important brainiac work to be doing anyway...

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:15 | 80684 Cheeky Bastard
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every work pales in comparison when there is an opportunity to evaluate external forms mammal glands of female humans

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:20 | 80687 MinnesotaNice
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See... that is exactly my point and why you are not qualified for the selection committee... we are going to have other criteria for the anchors other than breasts and see-through panties... OK...  I know this strategy has worked well for CNBC to disguise their lack of knowledge and insight into most financial topics... but we will not need breasts here on ZH... we will actually have insight and knowledge  :-) 

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:28 | 80694 Cheeky Bastard
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breasts and insight and knowledge are not incompatible; IMHO.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:30 | 80696 MinnesotaNice
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OK... I give up... and the men dominate once again... but you can't blame a girl for trying   :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:36 | 80704 Cheeky Bastard
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we don't want to rule ZHTv, just be on teh titteh committeh, you can be the CEO Minnesota. IMHO, women make more rational judgement than men. BUT in your PMS days you will be stripped of your CEO title until that passes. We would not want to see WWIII erupt. ( of course this was pure irony; ok not entirely, but from BUT. )

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:44 | 80713 lizzy36
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We are not giving up!!

As a canuck, the successful financial business news model is BNN.  And therefore that is the model (pun intended) that we are going copy.

Notwithstanding the fact that for mocking, there is no better, than CNBC (why is it whenever i see a picture of cramer the first thing that pops into my head is "run forest run"!

Andy, CB, RT, you boys get amanda for the 8pm hour. You produce that one hour, ENJOY!

As for Petra, Andy i agree she is stunning.  She was also opening shtupping Sean Penn when he was a very much a married man.  So, she may be beautiful, she may be brillant, but she lacks something i like to call class. 

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:46 | 80716 MinnesotaNice
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Thank god Lizzy has arrived... I was outnumbered... and I could feel my strength waining  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:54 | 80720 Hephasteus
Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:57 | 80723 MinnesotaNice
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That is bad... just by virtue of that photo... you now have a lifetime exclusion from the selection committee  :-)

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:51 | 80779 Hephasteus
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OHHH. So the girls just dismiss the guys one by one and then take over. LOL

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 21:42 | 81124 Hrundi V. Bakshi
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awesome pic, i guess i am banned also

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:20 | 80876 lizzy36
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watching your governor blather on MTP.


you don't need to defend, your levity. she is an absolute rocket!! and my bad for trying to infuse class into that picture (when clearly, in this context doesn't really matter......).

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 13:50 | 80935 lizzy36
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very introspective, for weekend levity.

almost everyone gets, gotten by forbidden fruit.  and i don't want to know the ones that have never been gotten.

grief is evidence of living.

and the moments of pure joy generally catch you so off guard, that you are left in awe of their occurrence.

Sat, 11/14/2009 - 02:27 | 130486 dnarby
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Sun, 09/27/2009 - 21:37 | 81122 Hrundi V. Bakshi
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on the bright side she does not have problems with full disclosure nor transparency.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:04 | 80756 chumbawamba
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Ugh, you are so annoying.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:14 | 80833 MinnesotaNice
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Chumbawamba... we are going to have to bury the hatchet sometime... and BTW I liked your post below from Pastor Lindsey Williams... new twist on a familiar story  :-)

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 16:41 | 81009 chumbawamba
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Hatchet buried (I don't hold online grudges against anonymous people).  It's just this whole sexist thing you brought up.  We're just being guys.  Blame God.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 16:52 | 81015 MinnesotaNice
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I know... I'm just teasing... that's all... men will be men... I work with enough of them... but I am glad to know the hatchet is buried  :-)

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 21:51 | 81128 Hephasteus
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I liked that post too. It makes sense. I think I got the right playbook with Mary Summer Rain because she predicts alot of natgas leaks with fires and explosions and well pumping billions of gallons of nat gas back into the wells is going to come back out and well explode. I like how they use 5 747 engines to pump it back in. I want 2 of those if I go full on terrorist. Strap those puppies to a big fuel truck and you could wreck some stuff. LOL

Drive it through the parking lot at the pentagon. Yelling you bastards may be able to steal 2.3 trillion dollars and kill people all over the world but you're taking cabs home tonight!!!! Then when they get to heaven. I can be all. Hah ha! I made you car insurance go up.

Sat, 11/14/2009 - 02:30 | 130488 dnarby
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Great idea. :p

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:39 | 80765 arnoldsimage
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holy smoly andy... give me a break. i just cleaned my keyboard yesterday.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:59 | 80780 Comrade de Chaos
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I can see Alaska from my shmoffice.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:53 | 80914 MsCreant
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I nominate this woman, as a compromise, and somehow, (can't say quite why) there is an aesthetic that seems to work with some other images posted around here. Sorry Marla.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:58 | 80917 MinnesotaNice
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OK... she will work... at least there is some depth and realness to her... and the boys will like the cleavage :-) 

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 23:15 | 81163 Anonymous
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Yeah, I agree with the "realness" part. She's had some really good facial surgery done on her which, as we all know is an absolute prerequisite for any serious on-air journalist today. I expect, with having all those kids (the ones she birthed), she's about ready to have some Mae Wests inserted in her to protect her from drowning too.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:17 | 80773 Comrade de Chaos
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what about 'em IQ tests and integrity pledges?

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:22 | 80851 Sqworl
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Room Temp

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 04:52 | 80802 Dayton Ohio
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waz up burnett? what choo got?


answer: a whole lotta nothin'.


(but then i'd actually tuen in to watch the tryin')


Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:07 | 80842 ToNYC
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Georgia would have stopped Gen. Sherman in his tracks.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:10 | 80627 Lothar the Rott...
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Trial balloon on media bailout was just floated.  All those fierce defenders of the First Amendment squealed "but we don't want or need your help."

Hahaha.  There is some fat CRE sitting across the street from the ocean in Miami.  Call McClatchy if you want to cut a deal - no one else has yet.

Plus, let's not forget how ugly this could get when the fatcat execs of all these mediacos have to start completely eliminating the guys who run the presses, drive the trucks, and even witness the reporters' unions getting manhandled by the money folks.

You're sniffing in the right direction, digalert.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:44 | 80649 MinnesotaNice
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Maybe CNBC will go non-profit so it can get the financial help that the government appears to be considering for non-profit news organizations... and this is the most ridiculous bailout yet... pretty soon everything that used to have any meaning in this country will be financially captured and under the thumb of the government.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 23:21 | 81167 Anonymous
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Uhhhh...didn't you get the memo? The rules changed almost a year ago. Now, only highly profitables can get financial help from the government. Get with the program MN.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:45 | 80650 MinnesotaNice
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Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:42 | 80628 putbuyer
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Dr. Rudolph, Dentist: Hello Mr. De-Sick-o.
Beldar Conehead: DeChicco, my name is DeChicco.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:33 | 80641 Anonymous
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Does anyone know if the Naked News format is copyrighted? could be some money here.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:33 | 80642 Anonymous
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CBS will prob. bite the dust sooner or later too. Wonder if the NY Times will be around to report it. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of leftists. buh-bye.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:58 | 80651 Manfred
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'Barrelling toward collapse'

September 26, 2009


Chris Hedges, the American author and Pulitzer Prize winner, does not care much for the popular notion of optimism, the idea that every situation has a silver lining or a neat solution. It is far better, he said, given the awful state of his country, to be realistic. "I was a war correspondent for many years and we never used the words optimism or pessimism," said the former New York Times reporter, who spent 20 years covering conflicts in Latin America, the Middle East and the Balkans. "Either you had a realistic and sober understanding of what weapons were at the end of that road, and the capacity of those people at the end of the road to use them and kill you, or you didn't last long. The first capacity, the most important element that creates a capacity for change, is the acknowledgement of what's real."


And what's real, in the grim and steely-eyed Hedges world view, is that America, in its morality, its culture and economy, is crumbling.




Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:06 | 80675 putbuyer
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The problem, he argues, is the nearly psychotic need to satisfy every human craving. It infects every aspect of American life, from the loss of cultural nuance to the growth of pornography to spending beyond one's means.

Great stuff, but so much has changed as seen in savings rates. People reset.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:43 | 80767 Anonymous
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Superb read, putbuyer.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:53 | 80658 Cheeky Bastard
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Jeffrey, if you are reading this, i offer 2 dollars and a half pack of 2 week old chewing gum for the entire NBC structure.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:57 | 80662 MinnesotaNice
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I'll raise you and offer 3 dollars and the piece of gum off the bottom of my shoe...  what are you doing awake so early... or would that be awake so late?

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:05 | 80673 Cheeky Bastard
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was finishing a paper ( adding references and checking spelling and grammar ). i will be off soon, have to wake up tomorrow to watch Singapore GP.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:10 | 80676 MinnesotaNice
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What is the paper about... I just wanted to feel that sensation of my head exploding again after I spend a half hour googling the words...

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:11 | 80680 Cheeky Bastard
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cylindric, poli-cylindric forms of vector spaces over the S5 spatio-temporal semantic structure in the context of epistemic logic. ( basically, the notion of an agent, modality and numerability of worlds )

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:13 | 80681 Lothar the Rott...
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I second Minnesota.  Look, mom, I know a genius.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:14 | 80682 MinnesotaNice
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nope... I'm not going to do it to myself this time... but the part about 'numerability of worlds' looked interesting... can you translate into normal people language?

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:26 | 80689 Cheeky Bastard
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in a standard modal logic of Lukaszewicz type there is a notion, introduced by Kripke in his proof of completeness theorem in 1959, that there is multiple worlds for which some modal statement is either necessary, possible or contingent. Although Kripke did not produce the definition of what a world is ( axiomatic system, system of rules, etc etc ) some metaphysical notions had been formulated over the years. But, modal logic, specifically the necessary part is important in mathematical logic and proof theory. The main goal is to show that a) every modal statement of S5 type of Lukaszewicz multi-value type is conditional to the existent of an agent b) is on the interval T(lambda) c) is on the interval S(lambda) d) has a function of F(x)=2y for all the point on the vector spaces and e) to show possible cylindric forms of vectors. I dont have enough space here to introduce everything. But the proof of possible categorical morphisms is the thing we search.


EDIT: shit, that didnt make it much more simple to understand, now did it.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:29 | 80695 MinnesotaNice
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OK... I tried really hard... really, really hard... even re-reading it twice... it is hopeless... the only thing I pulled out was metaphysical... which then made me wonder all the more what the rest was about... but thanks for trying... my head hurts now...  I have to go and ice it  :-)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:32 | 80697 Cheeky Bastard
Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:38 | 80705 Lothar the Rott...
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That cleared it right up! ;)

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:42 | 80711 MinnesotaNice
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So are you really looking at the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics... as it relates to the collapse of the wave function?  Is the paper more mathematical... or does it really engage metaphysical concepts?

Please speak not-as-smart-as-you-English please...

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:52 | 80718 Lothar the Rott...
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I could try but it would still be gibberish to me.  It's no fun being stupid, but it happens.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:59 | 80722 Cheeky Bastard
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the quantum pre-requisite of preserving the wave function is not a must have, therefore, we introduce the notion of n-cylindric forms over time and space fields. Im not looking into the notions of quantum mechanics, but more on the logical side ( call it meta-logic or meta-mathematics if you wish so ). The notion of the world in quantum mechanics is the equivalence of a dimension ( i.e n-dimension of whatever space you think is n-dimensional, i.e Euclidean, hyperbolic, elliptic ), whereas the notion of the world in modal logic is unknown; and by unknown i strictly imply that it is not AXIOMATIZED what a world is; it is a mapping on-to-something by some map preserving morphism; it is some kind of an invariant of the all beings known. So there is a question of what world is; and consequentially, what are the worlds; are they mappings, independent structures, co-domains, domains. And what, by whom, where and how can be known. Also the notion of restrictions is highly  complex to present it simply here. But it is known, that we dont know anything. But, you can find the minimal number of possible worlds for a vector space of some function to be compact; i.e no up or down cylindric forms for every point on the vector space.As i said it is complicated, because the question is not, like in QM, of a descriptive nature, but more of a epistemological; but restrictive. Again, really, really, really complex for me to be able to just throw it into everyday language.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:01 | 80725 MinnesotaNice
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You did really, really good... I understood about 75% of it that time...  and it is really interesting... I love the fact that you incorporate such abstract metaphysical concepts in such a mathematical way...

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:08 | 80729 Cheeky Bastard
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it will take me about a week or so, to get accustomed to the everyday language and everyday concepts, so i will probably vary from highly vulgar to highly incomprehensible posts for that time period, also i hope my disgust of humanity will become weaker in that time :D

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:09 | 80732 MinnesotaNice
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Perfect... I am sure we all look forward to getting the old Cheeky back again :-)

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:15 | 80786 defender
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CB, here is a little something to restore your faith in humanity.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 06:49 | 80815 Cheeky Bastard
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hahahahahahaha awesome; thanks defender; a nice way to start a day ....

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 14:37 | 80965 defender
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I'm glad that it put a smile on your face.  I hope the rest of your day also goes well.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:18 | 80875 mikeyv1970
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That was hilarious!  :)  Math geeks do have a sense of humor...


Sun, 09/27/2009 - 06:03 | 80812 bonddude
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"my friend Will is wicked smahhtt!"

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 13:06 | 80920 MsCreant
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Oh, well heck, Cheeky just does deconstructionist political science, that's all. He should read Jacques Derrida.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 16:11 | 80999 Cheeky Bastard
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MsCreant; Cheeky is very well familiar with the writings and teachings of Mr. Derrida, and Cheeky even had the pleasure to be on more than just one seminar Mr. Derrida held back in the days. Mr. Derrida, loved his pipe and his philosophy. Cheeky liked Mr. Derrida and his philosophy. Baudrillard has no idea of which Derrida im referring to. ( i hope you get the Baudrillard joke; if not; GOOGLE )

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 16:54 | 81016 MsCreant
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There is no original Derrida, only a Simulacra. If Heidigger were alive he would say so.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:58 | 80663 Lothar the Rott...
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Hey man I haven't been around lately when you have.  Good to see you here when I am.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:06 | 80672 Cheeky Bastard
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woof woof dawg. I was, also, absent last couple of week and a half ( ha ha on the tim interval ), buried myself into some academic work. left a comment or two, but thats all. but im back now. and nice to see you to, and all the old crew. STRAIGHT UP

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 02:57 | 80796 Miles Kendig
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Interesting tangents CB.  Good to see you around.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:14 | 80683 Anonymous
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I sense CNBC will be sold but for a more obvious reason than Immelt offing tired properties.
CNBC runs too close to the home team sidelines with the tacit pumping of parent G.E.

Just the other day some hedge fund operative held up a G.E. stock research paper and gave G.E. a huge STRONG BUY type cheer.
The SEC should be all over that crap.

Another consideration is the viewership is comprised of day traders and those of us that keep an eye out really don't like what we see.

For my money Bloomberg is much better because they simply report fact and news. CNBC tries to make news. Plus lately they are Obama water carriers. John Harwood is the worst reporter in DC and never utters an unbiased report supporting The One.

They hold up the Wizard of Omaha as a god and he is not.

Sell them. I could see Rupert making a run. Dump the regulars, bring in some beauties to read the business news and be gone!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:17 | 80686 Anonymous
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Responding to Minnesota Nice:

Yeah, there's no way the government can let their official propaganda network, with their propagandist extrodinaire Steve (I'm not a real economist but I play one on TV) LIESman) go down the tubes.

So look for : Next bailout -CNBC.

Or something called Cash for Network Clunkers.

CNBC is a Clunker if ever I saw one. ;)

BTW...It's good to see some more females posting in here. I was starting to feel lonely.

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:22 | 80877 MinnesotaNice
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I wonder if they bailed out CNBC by way of GE Financial for $140B... money is fungible...

And you need to register and get an avatar... the more women on here the better things will be... kind of like in the real world... women just seem give a better balance to things  :-)  

Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:30 | 80904 Ich bin ein whatever
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BTW this comment was me.  I didn't realize I wasn't signed in.

Too much partying on a Saturday night I guess.

My disgust for Steve LIESman shines through on every post regarding him, doesn't it? lol

Anyway, count another female heard from. 

In case this reply gets posted at the end, which mine always seems to do even though I always post under "reply", I an referring to comment #80686.

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:32 | 80698 Anonymous
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shit this made my weekend!

Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:34 | 80702 putbuyer
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Back to NBS - National Bullshit System. The late-night host is taken to the hospital after hurting himself in a "Tonight" stunt.

I believe this is a real stunt for ratings. He makes the front page of Yahoo and Lycos et al. More NBS

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