Is CNBC For Sale?

There may be some major changes in the NBC ownership structure according to media and financial pundits. Even as General Electric is dealing with significant balance sheet problems, which have been temporarily swept under the rug compliments of unjustified Goldman Sachs stock upgrades, it may be looking at getting rid of its "vanity play", the NBC TV station family, which of course includes CNBC. According to MarketWatch:
Even in good times, NBC can seem to resemble a loose shirttail in GE's body of assets. If you could figure out why GE has dubbed NBC a "core asset," then feel free to call GE CEO Jeffrey Immelt. He's likely wondering at times, too.
NBC's image was shaken in July when Ben Silverman, co-head of NBC's entertainment operation, exited the network. The Wall Street Journal observed that the executive's departure was "ending one of broadcast TV's high-profile experiments in re-inventing itself as its dominance continues to wane."
And while NBC is having few and far between successes, even as the popularity of the mainstay "Tonight Show" drops (from 18 million viewers down to 6 million), the network's other presumably profitable channels, CNBC in particular, have also seen a dramatic drop in their viewer metrics. The melting ice cube of the traditional media core holding has lead MarketWatch to observe the "the key question is when -- not if anymore -- Immelt will sell NBC, whose portfolio includes NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, Bravo and other assets."
Michael Holland adds:
"Immelt has shown that he is capable of disposing things that don't fit the mainstream at GE," Holland pointed out. Holland said Immelt would take seriously the prospect of selling NBC "if he were offered a bid for it today. But now is not the best time. They're not doing that well and valuations are down. This is not time to get a great price.
Unfortunately this very well may be the best time for a media venture, as the market gradually begins its reintroduction with gravity. Recall that Harbinger recently sold a major stake of its NYT holdings: it appears others have top ticked the media market. Jeff Immelt is likely not too far behind Phil Falcone in this regard. As such, it is unlikely that valuations will increase markedly from this point on. The only question is who will acquire the NBC family, and whether subsidiary companies such as CNBC and MSNBC will be included in the package. At first blush, it does not seem a practical move, as most major networks have been developing their own business related channels: if anything, the probability of selective picking off of specific anchors and personalities would make much more sense, than paying for the "intangible" value of a station like CNBC, which over the past 6 months has attained a definitive reputation of selective reporting bias and prejudice.
Perhaps this is the moment for CNBC to start being an objective TV station once again. After all, that is the only way it can hope to regain its floundering viewership. Yet, while it is caught in the Catch 22 of being a subsidiary of one of the most financially troubled conglomerates, the likelihood that it will promote objectivity and diligent reporting is next to negligible: GE has nothing to gain from CNBC spreading the truth about the domestic economy without 10 shades of rosiness. Thus CNBC is caught in a toxic spiral, whereby its value drops every single day it remains a GE sub. And Jeff Immelt is likely very much aware of this phenomenon. Which is why readers should not be too surprised if in the next several weeks or months Bob Pisani uses his "victory for the bulls" catchphrase a mere 10 times per day or less, as it may very well be time for a strategic shift in orientation of CNBC, and quite possibly, an outright sale.
h/t AsiaBlues

on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 18:46
#80578
Let's chip in and buy it!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:21
#80597
Given the current metrics shouldn't GE pay us to take it off their hands?
I suspect that merging CNBC with the Internet focused business forums may well be the only way left to save it.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:36
#80606
CNBC is just a brand... with some anchor contracts... and commercial contracts... they probably lease the set... there would be nothing else really tangible in an asset sale with goodwill being the basis of the sale. So I agree... GE should pay us... and wouldn't that be fun to have such a forum for ZH type material... but I bet the FCC would get busy on new regulations to assure that only appropriate financial information that is in the 'best interests' of the country can be played on network television.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:35
#80763
They have huge facilities on Sylvan Ave. in Englewood Cliffs, NJ.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:20
#80788
but I bet the FCC would get busy on new regulations to assure that only appropriate financial information that is in the 'best interests' of the country can be played on network television.
That is precisely the reasoning behind my suggestion MnN. That the broadest dissemination possible of the information contained here at ZH and many other online forums is in the best interests of the nation by serving to inform the nation. You know... a well informed & engaged populace is the foundation upon which a responsible self governing society is built. Once a broad portion of the populace gets to hear, read & see what we have to offer any attempt to regulate it away would have the most untenable consequences for the status quo.
If Jeffrey Immelt wants in on the next big thing in media the time is now, as long as he is willing to take the hit to his other subsidiaries that being a true champion of the free flow of information would require. I firmly believe that the time is fast approaching when we will discover who really has the power. The monster or those that created and released the monster. This is but one of a few options out there that are "off the shelf" that could be deployed in the attempt to corral the monster.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 07:54
#80829
Very eloquent Layne... and so true...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:58
#80617
great idea Ned.
The Tyler Durden Show could feature him with a different colored bag over his head everyday.
Mad Money would be replaced by the Gordon Gekko "buy gold or you're a moron" show. (you know i love you gg...)
Robo's reamjob and poleaxe plays of the day recap (naturally, Robo will demand contract extensions for MCC, or at least her cans).
Project Mayhem and "the end is near" segment, featuring a daily over/under on how many days the earth has left to exist.
Walstreet Pro guy will do live rant features using real sell side analysts as batting targets.
this has some possibilities....
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:01
#80619
OTC i assume
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:24
#80635
it would be more appropriate if tyler wore a guy fawkes mask. http://tigerpr0n.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Guy-Fawkes-mas...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:53
#80656
not bad arnold...i'd go this route.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oTwEGiup_Wo/SkrxGS4-aoI/AAAAAAAAE3o/HRbfAGQeEHM/s400/Kneale_Dennis_.jpg
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:38
#80792
I would prefer this one DH & Co.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Thomas_Paine.aspx
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 07:36
#80828
I've always enjoyed a common sense approach!
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:38
#80793
Love it DH...
on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 01:24
#130484
Andrew Jackson would be far more appropriate.
Dig it:
"“I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the Bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the Bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out and, by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out.” - From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson, February 1834, according to Stan V. Henkels, Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States, 1928"
Not to mention Fawkes tried to blow up his goverment, but instead got caught and executed. I sympathise with the anti-statist sentiment, but do we really want to lionize an incompetent anarchist is beyond me...
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:53
#80864
I nominate deadhead as program director.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:55
#80891
LOL! That is quite a line up.
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 05:49
#81258
Jerry and the boys music videos. . .
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:00
#80585
too late... blankfein wants his pet a wee bit closer to his vest.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:11
#80590
The unraveling of the Viacom deal with GE is probably playing a part in this. GE sure doesn' have the cah to buy Viacom out.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:14
#80591
Hired.
Fired
Hired
Fired
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:44
#80612
Fukin A bubba...let's add Liz Claman and Rebecca Diamond and we're hard news reporting !
What an upgrade.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:40
#80794
Liz Clamen would never go back to CNBC...even under new leadership. And sorry Robo--MCC only gets to anchor if her mic is off.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:02
#80618
robo...funny! I swear under the penalties of perjury that I wrote my response before I saw yours....
too funny!
edit...the CIT tape under MCC cannot be a coincidence....
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:28
#80622
lololol the man, RT, you are the man right?
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:04
#80839
Animal prints are so over and she can't speak American..don't they want her where they drive on the wrong side? But now MCC for sure as long as she wears sweaters we don't need to watch the tape and remember there are gifts that nature provides that balance the whole package. The lip enhanced and psycho-clown rumor monger are toast indeed.
on Mon, 09/28/2009 - 09:18
#81386
Love it!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:15
#80593
CNBC has jumped the shark more times than the law allows. They have been irrelevant since the tech crash. Mouthpiece for teh billionaires, that's all they are.
on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 01:26
#130485
I disagree - They jumped it once, and never came back down.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:18
#80595
I think people know in an increasing wave that the whole NBC propaganda machine is bullshit. Just look at the Nielsen numbers across the board - FOX is killing them. The only way CNBC has a chance is if they let Santelli run the network.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:30
#80639
Fox is nothing but Rupert Murdock's mouth piece or triple bullshit.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:43
#80768
If Santelli goes on Fox, CNBC goes into rigor mortis.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:45
#80859
That has more to say about the intelligence of the vast majority of the American people than it does about anything else.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:18
#80899
I won't attempt to defend the general public except to remind you that the U.S population has been the subject of the worlds largest mind control experiment for the last 60 years, by many, many, times the largest and most extensive effort. There are two facts about propaganda that one should never forget
1. It works on everyone to some degree or other( Yes, believe it or not, even all the uber-intelligent types.)
2. For any given individual, within some range of response, greater exposure has greater effect.
With number one in mind, different vehicles are constructed targeted at different groups. The CNBC sound byte group gets the Kramer flavored koolaide and the meet the press crowd gets the Roubini flavor. The complexity and nature of the deceipts may vary but it's all good as long as the thoughts, decisions, and actions of the audiences are moved in the same direction. If the ZH audience becomes large and influential enough ZH may get coopted and put on the menu as well. It's been done before.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:38
#80909
Absolutely correct analysis, Daddy W.
For a well documented primer on the massive US propaganda onslaught of the 20th century, read:
"Taking the Risk Out of Democracy"
Alex Carey
http://www.amazon.com/Taking-Risk-Out-Democracy-Communication/dp/0252066162
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:32
#80602
CNBC is a useful economic propaganda machine. MSNBC is even more useful to the dems and NBC proper a derivative (ironically) of the former. Should they be sold it will be to a "friendly". Reference Zero's article from a few days ago:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/curious-snag-debt-equity-restructurings...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:33
#80603
Jeffrey,
Sell now while you can, you putz. I turned off CNBS a few years ago, and don't miss a thing.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:33
#80604
Good riddance.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:37
#80607
Even more problems. This story broke last night.
http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/26/update-group-stands-ground-over-clai...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:37
#80608
The leadership @ CNBC have destroyed their brand and are steadily damaging the credibility of GE.
GE, the great industrial company, lost it's way by misadventures in finance and media.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:39
#80609
Looking forward to Zero Hedge TV.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:45
#80613
+10
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:55
#80615
I think you are on-the-money. Look how big breitbart.tv has gotten. Also love watching Denninger videos. Of course, our leaders would have to wear masks. The ladies can go topless. Anyway, great idea because my lazy want to know whats going on, but to lazy to read friends, would at least watch and forward.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:43
#80611
Contemplating the sale, two things keep appearing in my mystic powers mind, taxpayer $$$ and Obama. NBC media is a propaganda machine that will be spared, ratings or not, at our expense of course.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 19:55
#80616
shut it down for good
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:03
#80621
Alas, their current cast can hardly perform an about-face without exposing themselves for the shills that they are. Without at least some of the current line-up, what are they? Where's the value? Art Cashin is the only voice I hear any more when it comes to CNBC. I only watch on rare occasions now, and then it is just to hear what yarns the road-to-recovery puppet masters are spinning today. Pasani must go. Dennis (the moron) Neal must go entirely. Erin Burnette must go. Steve Lies-Man must go. All the liars and cheerleaders need to be shown the exit if CNBC is to regain any semblance of believability again. But they cannot let them all go and still lay claim to be anything but a few sets and some call letters. They deserve a slow ratings death for the lies they have helped to spread these many months.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:32
#80626
Dennis the Menace has bit the dust already. Great story and i think they should hire this big knockered reporter.
http://www.breitbart.tv/vfw-members-duct-tape-flag-burner-to-pole-in-front-of-kids-soccer-picnic/
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:28
#80854
unfortunately Dennis is on at mid-day...only his show took the axe
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:40
#80932
She is pregnant so the knockers will not stay big. Deal breaker for you?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:08
#80625
Applications for Anchorettes for
Zero Hedge TV
now being accepted.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:17
#80629
3rd top row. Looks like Brooke Shields - the one from vagina. Regardless, she is the type that apears in my dreams. Awake, I lean torward the goth and nerdy chicks.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:03
#80670
did you mean to say third top toe?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:16
#80630
absolute brilliance robo.... funny, funny shit.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:18
#80631
No way Robo... Zero Hedge TV will have intelligent, yet beautiful women of substance... and a few sexy men thrown in... and you are not on the official selection committee... your taste is very questionable :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:23
#80634
Update your resume, MN. :)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:27
#80636
Clearly I am going to have to... as are Lizzy and MsCreant... this male dominated ZH world is getting to be a real problem :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:35
#80644
I think they should as well. Y'all can have your own segment on ZHTV. Triple threat anchors!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:04
#80728
I'm a girl too!!!! :-(
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:09
#80730
Erm, sorry about that as yes you are. Join the XX-chromosome movement on ZH. :)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:28
#80743
Erm, sorry about that as yes you are. Join the XX-chromosome movement on ZH. :)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:43
#80795
I am sure that there is ample cake available to go with the cookie segments MnN. hehe
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:12
#80872
This is hopeless... just hopeless :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:30
#80637
I like
this one:
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:32
#80640
You are off the selection committee also!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:40
#80647
may I ask why?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:43
#80648
I would guess the landing strip is not a requirement
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:58
#80665
i'm thinking that landing strip is Andy's subtle way of reminding us that airplane orders are an indicator to watch for.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:02
#80669
+100
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:22
#80900
I'm glad the curtains match the drapes. I like a woman with taste.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:47
#80653
If you have to ask why... then that in itself is an immediate disqualifier for the selection committee... and she is practically naked Andy... your taste is equally as bad as Robo's :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:50
#80655
I happen to find Petra Nemkova to be a very attractive young woman, this is a kosher magazine photo, wtf?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:54
#80659
Because she has to have more qualifications than see-thru panties :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:57
#80661
I happen to know she is spectacularly intelligent, in addition to her borderline photos, (every man's dream)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:58
#80664
arghhhhhh...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:00
#80667
mhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yeah
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:26
#80691
Let me handle it. I already have casual friday uniforms ready.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/womens/a09b/zoom/
We'll have to slowly convert them from the vacuous model types. LOL
http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/womens/5e34/action/21032c9/
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:33
#80701
lmao.... I really don't think we need to go that far... I was thinking perhaps a nice tailored suit from Talbots without cleavage necessarily having to show.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:09
#80870
Nothing is hotter than a spectacularly intelligent woman AND one who is stunningly beautiful as well. The use of a woman (or man!) for such eye candy is obvious. IE: She will instantly get the attention of MEN and WOMEN as well. A man can be decent as long as he in Intelligent and can articulate well to garner the attention of both men and women. Greta Van Sustern is intelligent as hell but I can't get past that fucking nose she has to really listen to her. I am NOT advocating wearing revealing clothing...etc for EITHER sex as it would detract from the message. However, having eye candy of either sex WILL draw in more viewers as they will be interested now only in the hotty factor but will also be captured into LISTENING to the message. There is a reason why CNN and Fox News have hot women on period. You may not like it..it may not be politically correct BUT it WORKS as a means to get folks attention.
-Michael
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:59
#80666
can i be on teh titty commiteh :D ... i kid i kid ( don shoot woman )
actually, i was thinking in applying for a job at ZHTv; something including insulting people while giving a 6 hr lecture on the idiotic nature of EVERYTHING.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:01
#80668
Perfect... you can have your own spot... but you are not on the selection committee... I think the only one I would trust would be Deadhead...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:08
#80678
oh noes, no titteh commiteh pour moi, Cheeky sad.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:09
#80679
lol... you'll get over it... you have more important brainiac work to be doing anyway...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:15
#80684
every work pales in comparison when there is an opportunity to evaluate external forms mammal glands of female humans
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:20
#80687
See... that is exactly my point and why you are not qualified for the selection committee... we are going to have other criteria for the anchors other than breasts and see-through panties... OK... I know this strategy has worked well for CNBC to disguise their lack of knowledge and insight into most financial topics... but we will not need breasts here on ZH... we will actually have insight and knowledge :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:28
#80694
breasts and insight and knowledge are not incompatible; IMHO.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:27
#80693
+1000
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:30
#80696
OK... I give up... and the men dominate once again... but you can't blame a girl for trying :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:36
#80704
we don't want to rule ZHTv, just be on teh titteh committeh, you can be the CEO Minnesota. IMHO, women make more rational judgement than men. BUT in your PMS days you will be stripped of your CEO title until that passes. We would not want to see WWIII erupt. ( of course this was pure irony; ok not entirely, but from BUT. )
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:44
#80713
We are not giving up!!
As a canuck, the successful financial business news model is BNN. And therefore that is the model (pun intended) that we are going copy.
Notwithstanding the fact that for mocking, there is no better, than CNBC (why is it whenever i see a picture of cramer the first thing that pops into my head is "run forest run"!
Andy, CB, RT, you boys get amanda for the 8pm hour. You produce that one hour, ENJOY!
As for Petra, Andy i agree she is stunning. She was also opening shtupping Sean Penn when he was a very much a married man. So, she may be beautiful, she may be brillant, but she lacks something i like to call class.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:46
#80716
Thank god Lizzy has arrived... I was outnumbered... and I could feel my strength waining :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:54
#80720
I found your logging correspondant.
http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/8/4/633534864162326883-canadiangirls...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:57
#80723
That is bad... just by virtue of that photo... you now have a lifetime exclusion from the selection committee :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:51
#80779
OHHH. So the girls just dismiss the guys one by one and then take over. LOL
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 20:42
#81124
awesome pic, i guess i am banned also
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:48
#80862
Lizzy, did not know that about Petra. As to class, that is a rare commodity. Still, it being the weekend, I decided to indulge into some (high degree of) levity... That picture is something else...
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:20
#80876
watching your governor blather on MTP.
agghh.....
you don't need to defend, your levity. she is an absolute rocket!! and my bad for trying to infuse class into that picture (when clearly, in this context doesn't really matter......).
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:39
#80886
Your point was well taken, mhhh, I know about "the model too hot to handle" situation and to tell you the truth, I am not sure it's worth the effort... that forbidden fruit has caused a lot of grief over the centuries...
And then you remember your uncle say: "Children, there is nothing else" as he is playing with his grand kids, you start to become more conservative and philosophical about life and what is really worth the effort... (weekend levity of half naked supermodels excluded) hahaha
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:50
#80935
very introspective, for weekend levity.
almost everyone gets, gotten by forbidden fruit. and i don't want to know the ones that have never been gotten.
grief is evidence of living.
and the moments of pure joy generally catch you so off guard, that you are left in awe of their occurrence.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:57
#80936
The haircut on Sting is beyond ridikulas, but has the best lyrics... no such situation here, but he says it well
on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 01:27
#130486
Someone
please
find
us
a
chat
room!!!
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 20:37
#81122
on the bright side she does not have problems with full disclosure nor transparency.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:04
#80756
Ugh, you are so annoying.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 08:14
#80833
Chumbawamba... we are going to have to bury the hatchet sometime... and BTW I liked your post below from Pastor Lindsey Williams... new twist on a familiar story :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 15:41
#81009
Hatchet buried (I don't hold online grudges against anonymous people). It's just this whole sexist thing you brought up. We're just being guys. Blame God.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 15:52
#81015
I know... I'm just teasing... that's all... men will be men... I work with enough of them... but I am glad to know the hatchet is buried :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 20:51
#81128
I liked that post too. It makes sense. I think I got the right playbook with Mary Summer Rain because she predicts alot of natgas leaks with fires and explosions and well pumping billions of gallons of nat gas back into the wells is going to come back out and well explode. I like how they use 5 747 engines to pump it back in. I want 2 of those if I go full on terrorist. Strap those puppies to a big fuel truck and you could wreck some stuff. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7S_QgE5MN8&feature=related
Drive it through the parking lot at the pentagon. Yelling you bastards may be able to steal 2.3 trillion dollars and kill people all over the world but you're taking cabs home tonight!!!! Then when they get to heaven. I can be all. Hah ha! I made you car insurance go up.
on Sat, 11/14/2009 - 01:30
#130488
Great idea. :p
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:39
#80765
holy smoly andy... give me a break. i just cleaned my keyboard yesterday.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 08:09
#80832
LOL
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:59
#80780
I can see Alaska from my shmoffice.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:53
#80914
I nominate this woman, as a compromise, and somehow, (can't say quite why) there is an aesthetic that seems to work with some other images posted around here. Sorry Marla.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/03_02/AngelinaJolieR_468x605.jpg
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:58
#80917
OK... she will work... at least there is some depth and realness to her... and the boys will like the cleavage :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 22:15
#81163
Yeah, I agree with the "realness" part. She's had some really good facial surgery done on her which, as we all know is an absolute prerequisite for any serious on-air journalist today. I expect, with having all those kids (the ones she birthed), she's about ready to have some Mae Wests inserted in her to protect her from drowning too.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:17
#80773
what about 'em IQ tests and integrity pledges?
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:22
#80851
Room Temp qualifies...lol
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 03:52
#80802
waz up burnett? what choo got?
answer: a whole lotta nothin'.
(but then i'd actually tuen in to watch the tryin')
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:07
#80842
Georgia would have stopped Gen. Sherman in his tracks.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:10
#80627
Trial balloon on media bailout was just floated. All those fierce defenders of the First Amendment squealed "but we don't want or need your help."
Hahaha. There is some fat CRE sitting across the street from the ocean in Miami. Call McClatchy if you want to cut a deal - no one else has yet.
Plus, let's not forget how ugly this could get when the fatcat execs of all these mediacos have to start completely eliminating the guys who run the presses, drive the trucks, and even witness the reporters' unions getting manhandled by the money folks.
You're sniffing in the right direction, digalert.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:44
#80649
Maybe CNBC will go non-profit so it can get the financial help that the government appears to be considering for non-profit news organizations... and this is the most ridiculous bailout yet... pretty soon everything that used to have any meaning in this country will be financially captured and under the thumb of the government.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 22:21
#81167
Uhhhh...didn't you get the memo? The rules changed almost a year ago. Now, only highly profitables can get financial help from the government. Get with the program MN.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:45
#80650
duplicate
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:42
#80628
Dr. Rudolph, Dentist: Hello Mr. De-Sick-o.
Beldar Conehead: DeChicco, my name is DeChicco.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106598/quotes
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:33
#80641
Does anyone know if the Naked News format is copyrighted? could be some money here.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:33
#80642
CBS will prob. bite the dust sooner or later too. Wonder if the NY Times will be around to report it. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of leftists. buh-bye.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:58
#80651
'Barrelling toward collapse'
September 26, 2009
http://www.nationalpost.com/story-printer.html?id=2035867
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:06
#80675
The problem, he argues, is the nearly psychotic need to satisfy every human craving. It infects every aspect of American life, from the loss of cultural nuance to the growth of pornography to spending beyond one's means.
Great stuff, but so much has changed as seen in savings rates. People reset.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:43
#80767
Superb read, putbuyer.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:53
#80658
Jeffrey, if you are reading this, i offer 2 dollars and a half pack of 2 week old chewing gum for the entire NBC structure.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:55
#80660
lololol
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:57
#80662
I'll raise you and offer 3 dollars and the piece of gum off the bottom of my shoe... what are you doing awake so early... or would that be awake so late?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:05
#80673
was finishing a paper ( adding references and checking spelling and grammar ). i will be off soon, have to wake up tomorrow to watch Singapore GP.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:10
#80676
What is the paper about... I just wanted to feel that sensation of my head exploding again after I spend a half hour googling the words...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:11
#80680
cylindric, poli-cylindric forms of vector spaces over the S5 spatio-temporal semantic structure in the context of epistemic logic. ( basically, the notion of an agent, modality and numerability of worlds )
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:13
#80681
I second Minnesota. Look, mom, I know a genius.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:14
#80682
nope... I'm not going to do it to myself this time... but the part about 'numerability of worlds' looked interesting... can you translate into normal people language?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:26
#80689
in a standard modal logic of Lukaszewicz type there is a notion, introduced by Kripke in his proof of completeness theorem in 1959, that there is multiple worlds for which some modal statement is either necessary, possible or contingent. Although Kripke did not produce the definition of what a world is ( axiomatic system, system of rules, etc etc ) some metaphysical notions had been formulated over the years. But, modal logic, specifically the necessary part is important in mathematical logic and proof theory. The main goal is to show that a) every modal statement of S5 type of Lukaszewicz multi-value type is conditional to the existent of an agent b) is on the interval T(lambda) c) is on the interval S(lambda) d) has a function of F(x)=2y for all the point on the vector spaces and e) to show possible cylindric forms of vectors. I dont have enough space here to introduce everything. But the proof of possible categorical morphisms is the thing we search.
EDIT: shit, that didnt make it much more simple to understand, now did it.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:29
#80695
OK... I tried really hard... really, really hard... even re-reading it twice... it is hopeless... the only thing I pulled out was metaphysical... which then made me wonder all the more what the rest was about... but thanks for trying... my head hurts now... I have to go and ice it :-)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:32
#80697
here a wiki link, that should make it easy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possible_world http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modal_logic
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:38
#80705
That cleared it right up! ;)
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:42
#80711
So are you really looking at the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics... as it relates to the collapse of the wave function? Is the paper more mathematical... or does it really engage metaphysical concepts?
Please speak not-as-smart-as-you-English please...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:52
#80718
I could try but it would still be gibberish to me. It's no fun being stupid, but it happens.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:59
#80722
the quantum pre-requisite of preserving the wave function is not a must have, therefore, we introduce the notion of n-cylindric forms over time and space fields. Im not looking into the notions of quantum mechanics, but more on the logical side ( call it meta-logic or meta-mathematics if you wish so ). The notion of the world in quantum mechanics is the equivalence of a dimension ( i.e n-dimension of whatever space you think is n-dimensional, i.e Euclidean, hyperbolic, elliptic ), whereas the notion of the world in modal logic is unknown; and by unknown i strictly imply that it is not AXIOMATIZED what a world is; it is a mapping on-to-something by some map preserving morphism; it is some kind of an invariant of the all beings known. So there is a question of what world is; and consequentially, what are the worlds; are they mappings, independent structures, co-domains, domains. And what, by whom, where and how can be known. Also the notion of restrictions is highly complex to present it simply here. But it is known, that we dont know anything. But, you can find the minimal number of possible worlds for a vector space of some function to be compact; i.e no up or down cylindric forms for every point on the vector space.As i said it is complicated, because the question is not, like in QM, of a descriptive nature, but more of a epistemological; but restrictive. Again, really, really, really complex for me to be able to just throw it into everyday language.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:01
#80725
You did really, really good... I understood about 75% of it that time... and it is really interesting... I love the fact that you incorporate such abstract metaphysical concepts in such a mathematical way...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:08
#80729
it will take me about a week or so, to get accustomed to the everyday language and everyday concepts, so i will probably vary from highly vulgar to highly incomprehensible posts for that time period, also i hope my disgust of humanity will become weaker in that time :D
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:09
#80732
Perfect... I am sure we all look forward to getting the old Cheeky back again :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:15
#80786
CB, here is a little something to restore your faith in humanity.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTby_e4-Rhg
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 05:49
#80815
hahahahahahaha awesome; thanks defender; a nice way to start a day ....
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 13:37
#80965
I'm glad that it put a smile on your face. I hope the rest of your day also goes well.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:18
#80875
That was hilarious! :) Math geeks do have a sense of humor...
-Michael
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 05:03
#80812
"my friend Will is wicked smahhtt!"
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 12:06
#80920
Oh, well heck, Cheeky just does deconstructionist political science, that's all. He should read Jacques Derrida.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 15:11
#80999
MsCreant; Cheeky is very well familiar with the writings and teachings of Mr. Derrida, and Cheeky even had the pleasure to be on more than just one seminar Mr. Derrida held back in the days. Mr. Derrida, loved his pipe and his philosophy. Cheeky liked Mr. Derrida and his philosophy. Baudrillard has no idea of which Derrida im referring to. ( i hope you get the Baudrillard joke; if not; GOOGLE )
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 15:54
#81016
There is no original Derrida, only a Simulacra. If Heidigger were alive he would say so.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 20:58
#80663
Hey man I haven't been around lately when you have. Good to see you here when I am.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:06
#80672
woof woof dawg. I was, also, absent last couple of week and a half ( ha ha on the tim interval ), buried myself into some academic work. left a comment or two, but thats all. but im back now. and nice to see you to, and all the old crew. STRAIGHT UP
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:57
#80796
Interesting tangents CB. Good to see you around.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:14
#80683
I sense CNBC will be sold but for a more obvious reason than Immelt offing tired properties.
CNBC runs too close to the home team sidelines with the tacit pumping of parent G.E.
Just the other day some hedge fund operative held up a G.E. stock research paper and gave G.E. a huge STRONG BUY type cheer.
The SEC should be all over that crap.
Another consideration is the viewership is comprised of day traders and those of us that keep an eye out really don't like what we see.
For my money Bloomberg is much better because they simply report fact and news. CNBC tries to make news. Plus lately they are Obama water carriers. John Harwood is the worst reporter in DC and never utters an unbiased report supporting The One.
They hold up the Wizard of Omaha as a god and he is not.
Sell them. I could see Rupert making a run. Dump the regulars, bring in some beauties to read the business news and be gone!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:17
#80686
Responding to Minnesota Nice:
Yeah, there's no way the government can let their official propaganda network, with their propagandist extrodinaire Steve (I'm not a real economist but I play one on TV) LIESman) go down the tubes.
So look for : Next bailout -CNBC.
Or something called Cash for Network Clunkers.
CNBC is a Clunker if ever I saw one. ;)
BTW...It's good to see some more females posting in here. I was starting to feel lonely.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:22
#80877
I wonder if they bailed out CNBC by way of GE Financial for $140B... money is fungible...
And you need to register and get an avatar... the more women on here the better things will be... kind of like in the real world... women just seem give a better balance to things :-)
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:30
#80904
BTW this comment was me. I didn't realize I wasn't signed in.
Too much partying on a Saturday night I guess.
My disgust for Steve LIESman shines through on every post regarding him, doesn't it? lol
Anyway, count another female heard from.
In case this reply gets posted at the end, which mine always seems to do even though I always post under "reply", I an referring to comment #80686.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:32
#80698
shit this made my weekend!
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:34
#80702
Back to NBS - National Bullshit System. The late-night host is taken to the hospital after hurting himself in a "Tonight" stunt.
I believe this is a real stunt for ratings. He makes the front page of Yahoo and Lycos et al. More NBS
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 21:35
#80703
NBC is no longer able to accurately broadcast on any media with any thing for any length of time with any audience.
There are millions of dum dums who are changing channels to other shows that count like Fox for example.
NBC should fade into history along with all the other dozens of TV broadcast material.
I am old enough to remember Romper Room and think I will be old enough to bury NBC.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:02
#80727
What journal are you planning on publishing in, Cheeky Bastard?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:14
#80734
i don't know. i wrote the paper for shits and giggles ( i was bored, so i decided to do something ). Probably in one about mathematical logic or modal logic, or something third. Maybe i don't even publish it at all; just attach in on scribd and leave it there.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:26
#80741
Publish on i09. Love the site. I choose science from dropdown, but lots of goodie here. We are not alone - and I always thought we were. hmmmm.
http://io9.com/5362294/superhot-mega+earth-discovered-in-distant-solar-s...
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:09
#80731
Is this for real? If it is then we are in deep sh**...
http://zentrader.ca/blog/?p=2322
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:45
#80749
CNBC for sale? i'll pay $10 bucks for it....recognizing up front i might be paying more than its real value.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 22:51
#80753
You should get it published if you think it is decent, Cheeky Bastard.
And you don't deprive the world of your insight, even if it is a specialized subworld. ;)
Peer review sucks but it sharpens your wits.
Has anyone here read "Secrets of the Temple" by Greider?
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:06
#80758
And once again, time for the hot blondie cutie in distress. Mike Oldfield's mega hit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YyiFhfzQRA
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:04
#80771
She's a skag, so is he, and so is the music.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:12
#80759
I would like to urge all of you to stop what you're doing and watch this presentation by Pastor Lindsey Williams:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
It will take you more than an hour (conveniently broken into 8 ten minute clips), but it is very worth it.
If you only watch one thing, please watch starting at 2:20 on Part 8:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0&NR=1
He discusses the fate of some of the folks who signed the Declaration of Independence.
The presentation is about how the world is controlled through oil, and how the dollar is tied to oil sales, and is the only reason why the dollar has lasted as long as it has.
Ok, I'll say it: it's a must watch. No, seriously. Stop what you're doing and watch it.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:27
#80761
Saw part 8. Will verify. Very interesting and important brother. Thanks
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:34
#80762
this is old news pardner. now here's some current news... oil will fall and BREAK the 32 dollar. i know i know. doesn't seem likely. watch and be amazed what happens in a deflationary depression.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:32
#80772
I was skeptical, but desperate for a distraction from what I'm doing. Wow. You really weren't kidding. Part 7 of 8 is also quite riveting and current (despite being dated 2007), I will definitely watch the whole presentation. Check out a more recent "rocking-chair chat":
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2219026291450576553
I am just curious as to who "they" are... The elite of the world is a little broad a definition. I will try to take some time to fact-check some of this, but the logic seems internally consistent thus far.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 14:45
#80989
It's a little US centric, overassuming of human intellect, and underestimating of greed.
While I admit some simplifications need to be made for brevity, he made a few which were very misleading but used as reenforcement nevertheless.
My biggest problem with him (and like a lot of other Americans) is that he makes it seem like the US is in power. Taking what he is saying at 100% face value, you can easily come up with the conclusion that the US is helplessly getting f'd in the a, but it is somehow more reassuring to believe that wealthy Americans still hold all the cards.
on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 23:56
#80770
TheStreet.com should buy CNBC.
...then Cramer can stop holding back and pump his stocks ad nauseum
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 00:49
#80778
wow CB is on the roll tonight.
Do you think ever increasing entropy in the Universe has something to do with appearance of complex systems = life as the result? In a way ever increasing disorder of the total system (universe) is balanced out by increasing complexity within the universe. So is the equilibrium between increase in chaos and increase in "islands of complexity" possible?
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 04:28
#80807
Perhaps.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:11
#80782
celente's latest interview. pretty darn good. http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2009/9/25_G...
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:20
#80789
Barofsky Sees a 'Far More Dangerous' Financial Situation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvwKzF6TLKo
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 01:23
#80791
and last but not least, since i'm a hardcore call of duty freak... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4PMRFkx07g
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 06:13
#80817
The rally from March is actually the cnbc rally, ever since Hanes proclaimed his "Hanes bottom" they have been pumping this "new bull market" crap non stop.
cnbc actually is powerful enough to change the sentiment and the "tick" direction on mere HYPE.
This type of power can be very dangerous and valuable in the hands of say Goldman, Barclays or JPM, so, the value of CNBC resale value is a lot higher than most here presume, just think of all the manipulation and hype any of the above could and would deliver.
In reality a class action suit should be initiated for this fake CNBC "NEW BULL MARKET" crap, when in fact the world is on the verge of depression
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:06
#80841
The carnage is already evident by the way they shift the same anchors around to cover all their bases on various programs. I mean seriously, as we speak, that dumb bimbo Trish is on Meet the Press and being portrayed as some kind of financial expert.
Is America ready for Beaker on Sunday morning?
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:42
#80858
CNBC is just load of stupid...trying to watch it for 5 minutes makes one stupider already. It's just amazing how crap like that can be even produced.
Loud mouthed heads screaming obscenely stupid things by the soundbite and expect that to be of interest? Please.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 09:48
#80861
Re: Pastor Lindsey Williams
His 1980 book "The Energy Non-Crisis" is a must read. He served as a chaplain while the Alaska pipe line was being built in the 1970s. He became a confidant of many oil execs that made him privy to some very confidential information. Conspiracy theorists will love it because he seems to be very credible and it confirms a lot of suspicions. btw the book is out of print and used copies were selling for over 1k last summer during the time that the Squid drove oil to $147/barrel. Pastor Williams mysteriously withdrew from public life last year. Once you read his shit you'll understand why.
I was able to read his book that had been posted online. Copies are hard to find.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:00
#80866
Seeing CNBC go TITS UP would be the greatest satisfaction in the world. To know that all those shameless cheerleading shills and pump and dump queens like Maria Bartiromo would be standing in the unemployment line would be the ultimate KARMA.
They are nothing more than a mouthpiece for their corporate masters!!
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:05
#80869
Dylan Ratigan left CNBC for a REASON!!
It has never been the same without him and the crazy bald guy that at least told the truth now and then.
Those idiots on "Fast Money" just look like the biggest bought and paid for shills in the nation right now. Man..where is your PRIDE? HOW do you sleep at night?????
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 10:15
#80873
If I'm feeling extra clever I watch Power Lunch to dumb down.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:36
#80908
Can't a rich libertarian buy the damn station?! It would be great to hear mention of that old constitution on tee vee!
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:55
#80915
Let it burn.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 19:23
#81097
We could buy CNBC for our own propaganda network.
As I turn my pockets inside out, I find I have twenty bucks and some pocket lint to contribute to the cause.
Considering the depth of the talent at CNBC, I think we can get the whole damn thing for my pocket lint and a stick of gum.
Anyone have a stick of gum they are willing to part with for the cause? Then all we have to do is contact Imhelt with our offer.
I think he would be willing to part with LIESman and CarusoCabrera for some pocket lint and a stick of gum. That's about all they're worth.
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 19:28
#81100
Zero Hedge could at least email them the offer of, what 30 some odd bucks have been pooled here, some gum, and the pocket lint. You just never know, they might say yes. But then we'd get the bills they can't pay too, huh?
on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 23:15
#81183
GE/Jack Welch is bust. Thats why they have a 300 billion$ gift from the federal government/taxpayor. (Some business guru, this Welch.) Is this what they taught him Harvard Bizness Skuhl? They bought CNBC to control the media/people. They bet big on NFL ratings. They lost. They need to go bust.
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