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Co-Founder Of Reaganomics, Paul Craig Roberts, "There Is Probably More Democracy In China Than There Is In The West"

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Paul Craig Roberts: "The west prides itself that it is the standard for
the world, that it is a democracy. But nowehere do you see democratic
outcomes: not in Greece, not in Ireland, not in the UK, not here, the
outcomes are always to punish the innocent and reward the guilty. And
that's what the Greeks are in the streets, protesting. We see this all
over the west. There is no democracy, there are oligarchies, some of
these smaller European countries are not even run by their own
governments, they are run by Wall Street... There is probably more
democracy in China than there is in the west. Revolution is the only
answer... We are confronted with a curious situation. Throughout the
west we think we have democracy, we hold ourselves up high, we demonize
China, we talk about the mafia state of Russia, we talk about the Arabs
and so on, but where is the democracy here?"

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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:33 | 1303425 mynhair
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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:59 | 1303528 SMG
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You can sigh or you can do something about it.  Tell people about the oligarchy even if it takes a few times.  Tell them about the oligarchy in things like the Federal Reserve, the banking and financial system, the large media companies, the K street lobbyists.

Many still don't know the truth and there is a lot of work to do to get the word out.  Every little bit helps.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:01 | 1303533 topcallingtroll
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At least in America you are allowed to get the word out.  You are allowed to protest.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:04 | 1303559 SMG
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As long as you're not really effective.  Then the oligarchy character assinates you, or just kills you.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:15 | 1303575 Ahmeexnal
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The sheeple can't handle the truth.



Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:18 | 1303604 topcallingtroll
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oh yeah...a pedophile schizophrenic.  That is a really good example.  He was too wacko for the davidians so he had to split from them and become the branch davidians.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:45 | 1303670 clymer
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you truly need a thumbnail image for your moniker. Perhaps a little penis

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:56 | 1303712 topcallingtroll
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I've been looking for a nice little troll picture.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:31 | 1303804 zaknick
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At least here people can protest.

Ask (if you could; they're dead):

congressmen Larry McDonald (Ga), Sonny Bono (Ca), and Larkin ;Ms).
Pulitzer Prize winner Gary Webb.
journalist Danny Cassolaro
ex-mil intel Steve Kangas who wrote The Origins of the Overclass
US special forces colonels Edward P Cutolo, Rowe and Baker
ex FBI agent Darlene Novinger's father and husband
USMC Col Sabow
those 2 kids by the railroad track near Mena, Ak., who witnessed a CIA drug smuggling op and were murdered by the CIA
ex-CIA Dois Gene "Chip" Tatum who wrote The Tatum Chrinicles

Google and YouTube these names.

You are an apologist for fascist genocide.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:53 | 1303843 topcallingtroll
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Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:54 | 1304268 silberblick
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Cornel West calls out Obama as being a part of the oligarchy and challenges Americans to rise up like people in Europe and the Middle East are doing (just like Max has been calling for). Read here:

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 04:09 | 1304353 Urban Redneck
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Cornel West can say whatever he likes, but it appears the most he can muster is "I don’t think in good conscience I could tell anybody to vote for Obama."  Come election day Cornel West will shut up and do what he's told to - vote for Obama.  Nothing has changed.

Cornel West sits at the peak of the academic infrastructure in the US that has destroyed the strength and character of the black community over the past decades.  He thoroughly enjoys the trappings of privilege granted to him for his obedient service to brother number one and the system they both serve.  If Cornel West ever found the courage to take the red pill it will result in an admission of his own complicity.  Cornel West is no Stokely Carmichael.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:15 | 1304440 taxpayer102
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Minister Farrakhan has been talking about the problem for years.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:13 | 1304833 Urban Redneck
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Minister Farrakhan set back the cause of progress when his parishioners assassinated Malcolm X for seeing the light and rejecting the diversion of racism and denying the incarnate divinity of WSM.  Both the NOI and the LDS are going to face some interesting challenges far greater than the philosophical differences between the religions which they are modeled after in the coming US economic cluster fuck.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:56 | 1303853 Spalding_Smailes
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And I bet your a union commy that has voted dem over the last 20 years ....

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:03 | 1303881 zaknick
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Let me get this right. I offer remembrance to fallen American heroes who died trying to warn you about the evil that has now unmasked its fascist bankster face for the world to see and Im a "union commy".

You got your head on backwards, sonny.

BTW, Bill and that ugly duke Hillary where in murderous drug trafficking up to their necks in Arkansas. Vote "dem"... gimme a break. You need to grow up. It has always been the uber-rich against the people. Know your own country's tragic history, boy.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:23 | 1303936 gtb
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She's certainly ugly and likely a dyke...not so much a duke.  Nevertheless, well said.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:31 | 1303963 Spalding_Smailes
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Got Davison .... ? You bum 


I forgot more on the subject then your pea-brain could retain. Most of that does not matter. Shut off the t.v. and start reading something constructive ... try Milton Friedman : Capitalism And Freedom

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 00:41 | 1304194 Terminus C
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riiiight, because his system didn't produce fascists in Chile... oh wait.

Shit, broke my first rule, don't respond to trolls.

Oh well.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 04:29 | 1304364 Ivar Kreuger
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Fuck trolls.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 04:30 | 1304365 Ivar Kreuger
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And fuck Spalding.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 04:27 | 1304367 Ivar Kreuger
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He invented the helicopter drop.

Here is your other god, Ben Bernanke, extolling the virtues of Friedman,

 Friedman's monetary framework has been so influential that, in its broad outlines at least, it has nearly become identical with modern monetary theory and practice.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:35 | 1303968 Oh regional Indian
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Indeed. For most, difficult to swallow.


Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:01 | 1304426 tonyw
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What a load of rubbish, e.g. take number 26. The Pope claims to own the entire planet through the laws of conquest and discovery. (Papal Bulls of 1455 and 1493)

Maybe they did indeed claim it 500 years ago but in today's world who cares.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:17 | 1304517 I Am Ben
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thats the issue - noone does

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:36 | 1304920 Ahmeexnal
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ORI, the Vatican owns the UN.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1303978 cossack55
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Remind me to tell you sometime about my little TDY to Mena in 1987. Little did we know.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:46 | 1304014 SuperRay
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Don't listen to those morons, zak. You are right on the money with those names.  The Jackals are always waiting in the wings to murder anyone who seems dangerous.  That's why I worry about Ron Paul... Would love to see him president, but afraid he'll be murdered if it looks like he has a chance.  keep posting..

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:01 | 1304215 DeadFred
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It seems likely Dr. Paul doesn't have thing for hotel maids or they would have destroyed him by now. If you're going to poke at the big boys' hornet's nest be sure to keep your nose clean. Terrible mixed metaphors I know, but I hope you get the point.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:06 | 1304220 jeff montanye
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should paul get elected i believe we are looking at a president boehner (pelosi seems a stretch), assuming paul does better than gore did picking v.p. nominees.  it will look more fishy if there are two separate assassinations; better they avoid joint appearances.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:08 | 1303883 akak
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(PS: In this context, it is "you're", not "your", you dumbfuck illiterate troll.)

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:15 | 1303907 topcallingtroll
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that is a funny video.  If anyone has ten minutes to waste they ought to watch it.  I am going to watch it again.  I'm getting bored with porn.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:24 | 1303930 akak
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And just when I thought that nothing about that little clip could possibly make me laugh any more ....

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 00:28 | 1304180 Keri at Bankste...
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That's the happiest Russian I have ever seen.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:07 | 1304400 Husk-Erzulie
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akak, that is some of the weirdest, most brilliant shit I have ever seen.  Sheer poetry, it says many things but it is perfect in the context of "trollism".  Thanks :-)

Also, just to belabor the obvious, maybe for some self satisfied socialists who just don't get it...this is a perfect example of statist "product".

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 11:27 | 1305151 High Plains Drifter
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there was a man from nantucket..........

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:16 | 1303903 topcallingtroll
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I am not sure he can vote.

But if he does vote he votes democrat.  He just doesn't enjoy it much.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:45 | 1304003 swmnguy
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Sonny Bono?  I don't mean to be snippy; I'm asking in all seriousness.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:33 | 1304111 A Nanny Moose
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James Bond with the Ski Pole gun on Upper Orion.

Didn't one of the Dead Kennedy's die "skiing" as well?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 03:16 | 1304333 StychoKiller
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Hmmm, as Mayor of Palm Springs, what exposé was Sonny gonna go to the press with?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 11:24 | 1305112 Clay Hill
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Google is your freind.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:29 | 1304098 I Got Worms
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Add Matt "Hot Tubbin" Simmons to that list. RIP

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 00:32 | 1304186 OldPhart
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:25 | 1303944 BloodPigOnFeces
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if you believe that then you know nothing

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:43 | 1303995 Calmyourself
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Did you need lube to swallow that hook, line and sinker or are yo u naturally able to swallow post dated propaganda with ease? Riddle me this troll, why not take him while on his morning jog, mutiple agents in a hrose trailer and a full frontal assault was a better method, why? Setting fire to a compound full of women and children in a 40-55 mph wind with no firefighting gear aerial or otherwise allowed.. hmm. You should stick with fiannce I enjoy some of your commentary in that arena and you actually make sense.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:02 | 1304055 topcallingtroll
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At the risk of giving away who I am I was with the baylor child psychiatric team that had access to the compound.

We warned the government that they didnt understand who they were dealing with and we helped get a couple out.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:47 | 1304139 Calmyourself
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All the more reason to take him outside of his compound instead of a full frontal assault where he was then locked in with the children for how long? The entire thing stinks to high heaven of cover up from top to bottom, you know it and most here know it! Access to the compound when, prior to the fire or were (are) you forensic child shrinks working on the ashes?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:20 | 1304409 Husk-Erzulie
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One of those weird thread connections...

When Janet Reno testified before Congress about the final, fatal assault on the Branch Davidians at Waco, Bono was relentless in his questioning about the professed use of CS gas on the confined men, women, and children:

Representative Sonny Bono (R-CA), a member of the full House Crime Committee, was concerned that Ms. Reno had not conducted a more exhaustive study of CS before making a decision. He challenged her claim that she had done all she could to investigate the attributes and hazards of the substance, noting that the U.S. Army Chemical Research and Development Center had confirmed that it knew of no laboratory studies of CS in which the subjects were children. He pointed out that Army databases "contain virtually every study on CS that has ever been conducted by any government or private facility in the world," and stated that he found it "difficult to understand how, after extensive, exhaustive research you failed to uncover the following information that I uncovered in just one day: a report contained in the Journal of the American Medical Association, dated August 4, 1989, that states, I quote, 'Inhalation and toxicology studies at high levels of CS exposure have demonstrated its ability to cause chemical pneumonitis and fatal pulmonary edema.' According to an ear, nose, and throat surgeon that I talked to, pulmonary edema is caused when the mucous membrane is irritated, it secretes mucous which in children and infants plugs up the bronchi. They thus drown in their own saliva and mucous. As soon as the child breathes the fumes, the process begins. Soon after that, the child has little lungs left to breathe, and dies. I find it impossible to believe that with the most powerful law firm in the country, the Department of Justice, at your disposal you could not find this information out, that I found out in one day with two staff members .... So I am sorry to say, Madam Attorney General, that I think you failed there." He concluded with the observation that, in his opinion, "it is the responsibility of the Attorney General in cases like this to research every bit of evidence, and if there is counter evidence, then the error should be on the side of the children."

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:40 | 1304464 swmnguy
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Ah, thank you.  I hadn't understood the earlier reference to Sonny Bono.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:29 | 1303624 SMG
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David Koresh was evil, the oligarchy used that to bring even more evil upon us.

I know explaining this to people is difficult and sometimes they are resistant to hearing the truth about things.  But don't look at them as "sheeple".  The oligarchy does that, they believe they are better than everyone else.  That dehumanisation is a rationalization to do great evil upon the less fortunate.  

There but for the grace of the Creator walk I.

Any of we informed people, could have just as easily been born into the ignorance most of our brothers and sisters are currently enslaved by.

We are all created equal with certain unalienable rights, that is the foundation of the USA.

Spread the truth, talk patiently to your fellow citizen and help them understand.  This is the only way the evil upon us will be defeated.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:24 | 1303796 Spalding_Smailes
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You mean T. " Bag' Abdµla Koresh Doomer™ " Mosley .... ?


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:06 | 1303891 akak
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Please stand at attention, as Spalding will now sing the national anthem of Trollistan:

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:43 | 1303996 Spalding_Smailes
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Chicago School of Economics •


I pledge allegiance to Uncle Ben
On the United States of America
And to the primary bankers for which he prints
One nation under Friedman 
With treasuries and dollars for all

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 13:11 | 1305693 WaterWings
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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:34 | 1303973 bigkahuna
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Well put SMG - thanks.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:41 | 1303990 cossack55
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similar to the methodolgy used to dehumanize the Japanese during WW2.  Made killing them not only patriotic, but fun.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:27 | 1304101 Ahmeexnal
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Or the methodology used to dehumanize non-catholics by the church of Rome.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 11:26 | 1305171 rbjmartin
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Or the methodology used by Queen Elizabeth or Oliver Cromwell to persecute Catholics.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 09:48 | 1304763 High Plains Drifter
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david koresh was evil?  what the hell are you talking about?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:37 | 1303971 johnnynaps
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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:32 | 1303636 mynhair
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Ruby Ridge?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:09 | 1303765 topcallingtroll
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Randy Weaver is on record as having said he regrets the confrontation and should have taken his chances in court in the beginning rather than run to the mountains and fight it out.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:27 | 1303947 BloodPigOnFeces
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big deal. they shot his wife and child in cold blood.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:42 | 1303970 prole
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Yeah because when they kill your wife and kid it probably doesn't mess up your head and leave you with tons of regrets. (woops I did not see your post pig)

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:46 | 1304005 Calmyourself
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"Fight it out" How many shots did Randy shoot? Stick to fiannce fool..

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:10 | 1304064 topcallingtroll
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Well...I guess fight it out was a poor choice of words.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:45 | 1304582 Calmyourself
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He refused to do the Feds bidding and then was set up and never fired a shot.. You are intelligent, do your research and come to your own conclusions vis a vis our Gov. You seem to be operating under the propaganda line not the facts.. I for one cannot believe I am talking like this, several years ago I would have considered my present set of attitudes and views somewhat radical and frankly fringe. I am now starting to think I was wrong for a very long time.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 09:55 | 1304791 High Plains Drifter
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his statement is correct under the circumstances , when you have a government out of control and not under the rule of law. maybe his wife and child would still be alive. he got set up from the word go on it. it is the time of surrender now. it matters not where it is in the world. one must surrender now. it is the only way to stay alive. saddam hussein should have surrendered. his country would probably still be in one piece. gaddafi should  have surrendered. this beast, that is loose now, cannot be fought. it is too strong, filled with useful idiots who do what they are told without thinking. to stop this, one must  interrupt  this supply of fresh useful idiots.  until this is done nothing will change. fighting it , is  a  stupid option.  also the military industrial complex lives because of conflict.  surrender causes the conflict to die down. with no conflict, the sheep see the military industrial complex as it really is, not about defense, but all about offense. randy weaver was a convenient patsie and he had no idea ( I guess) what he was dealing with. Now he knows. Now he understands. He should have surrrendered. There was no other option.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:44 | 1304957 SilverBaron
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In your mind are there any principles worth dieing for?  Wouldn't it be better to die a martyr for a worthy cause than to live a like a scared rat?  How many Egyptians are grateful to the one guy who set himself on fire because he was willing to die for a cause?

Do you think they will stop if everyone surrenders?  NO!  They will continue to encamp everyone until they have them in the ovens.  They will decide that the world population needs to be immediately and drastically reduced, and guess what.  You will die anyways, or live a 1984 style of life that is not worth living anyways.

We shall fight in the fields, we shall fight on the landing grounds, and in the streets.  We shall never surrender!

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 13:25 | 1305735 WaterWings
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I agree with both of you. My take is that if one's number comes up early, before major dislocation occurs, you might (you can never know) be better off taking a major jolt of pain, but still be around for the dislocation, with your family, intact. It's a personal gamble because few will stand with you - they would rather watch teevee and not be bothered. Until critical mass is reached we have a waiting game.

Coward: A man in whom the instinct of self-preservation acts normally. ~Sultana Zoraya

To live with fear and not be afraid is the final test of maturity. ~Edward Weeks

Courage is knowing what not to fear. ~Plato


A coward is a hero with a wife, kids, and a mortgage. ~Marvin Kitman

The only real progress lies in learning to be wrong all alone. ~Albert Camus

So, each man must decide what he will do. Full Spectrum Domination quickly winnows out those who cannot patiently wait.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:31 | 1303640 unununium
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Many here believe that the agents of power available to Americans -- in particular, the president and congress, are universally corrupt and worthless.

Whom does a belief like that help?  It helps those who fear the power of the people.  These are the agents empowered by the founders to transmit our will.

When someone like Bernie Sanders can still filibuster for 36 hours against extending tax breaks for the rich, I propose that not quite all is lost.


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:42 | 1303667 israhole
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But Bernie will still spend all our money supporting wars for Israel.

All our wars are for Israel, but that's coming to an end as more "Goyim" wake up to facts every day.



Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:47 | 1303691 SMG
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Lucifer worshipers not Jewish people are the source of our problems.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:49 | 1303695 Holodomor2012
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You say tomato.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:11 | 1304230 jeff montanye
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now that's funny.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:33 | 1303803 Spalding_Smailes
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You mean the Arabs ... ? I mean the Muslims .... 

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:18 | 1304234 jeff montanye
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oh that is funny.  israel founded in '48 and the first arab attack outside the middle east is what '68?  waited a generation seeing if there was a chance?  that's patience.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:44 | 1304010 bigkahuna
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Again, well put. The luciferians would like nothing better than to demonize the Jewish people and the Christians in the eyes of everyone else. They are doing a fine job too. They have taken control of the US, Europe, and Israel and turned our countries and people toward greed, spite, and perdition.

It has not hit the fan yet, but it will and the game is almost up.  

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:05 | 1304820 High Plains Drifter
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by jewish people, you mean converts to talmudic judaism, correct?  i think the term "jewish people" is not technically correct. Jewish people would signify a people who belonged to the tribe of Judah in the Biblical record. Those people disappeared long ago. Rabbis will say that , well we jews are not evangelistic. but i am here to tell you, that this has not always been the case. I am reading a old , somewhat rare book right now, about the history of a country called Khazaria. It was a nation that during the first millenium, converted in mass, to judaism. These people were the foundation, if you will of the Ashekenzim branch of world jewry. Of course such little facts, are overlooked and I realize we should not talk about such things.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:30 | 1304538 Head for the Hills
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But Bernie will still spend all our money supporting wars for Israel.

All our wars are for Israel, but that's coming to an end as more "Goyim" wake up to facts every day.


This stupid garbage flies around here all the time.  The US neither hates Arabs nor loves Jews.  Most Americans wouldn't give a shit if all Arabs and Jews wiped each other off the face of the earth.

America loves oil.  Israel is a forward military based located next to the oil wells. It is populated by people encircled by enemies who desparately need powerful friends at any cost.  Allowing the failure of Israel would not appease relations with oil rich Arab states, only take away a key military post.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:14 | 1304832 High Plains Drifter
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friend, poor little israhole , would wipe any of these arabs off of the planet if they even dared to try anything remotely what you are talking about. they may be surrounded by enemies but that fact in and of itself is one of their own making. after all, these europeans came there and stole the land from its rightful owners, owners as said by shlomo sand, to be about a thousand times more "jewish" than anyone who came there from europe. so please, talk to the hand about "poor defenseless Israel" that misinformation ship has sailed a long time ago....israhole is not our friend and never was. any conversation along those lines is contemplated by ignorant people who really don't know what is going on. the internet is still alive. do due diligence and maybe you will finally get it......but then again, maybe not...........

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:25 | 1303940 SerfDude
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Let's do some irony shall we... ... Iran... at least in America.. you're allowed to protest on Iranian televison

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:47 | 1304009 ronin12
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Free Speech Zones?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:28 | 1304106 Bananamerican
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yea, I LOVE that one!

Free Speech Zones...

"enjoy your Liberty amerika. You EARNED it!"

saw this in the NY Times today...

"Steady Decline in Major Crime Baffles Experts"

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:34 | 1304250 fajensen
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... In the designated Free Speech(tm) Zone!

Isn't everything just great now that Bush is Black?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:36 | 1304557 tarsubil
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I clapped when I saw it!

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 02:08 | 1304283 Hobbleknee
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Yes, you're allowed to protest as long as it's not outside a designated free-speech zone and you obtain a permit to speak from your masters.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 09:11 | 1304644 Weisbrot
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Wynn seems to have it right        <<<<----------






Tue, 05/24/2011 - 00:14 | 1304171 Mariposa de Oro
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They don't want to hear it.  It's like teaching a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and it annoys the pig!

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:52 | 1304266 silberblick
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Cornel West calls out Obama as being a part of the oligarchy and challenges Americans to rise up like people in Europe and the Middle East are doing (just like Max has been calling for). Read here:

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 03:21 | 1304338 StychoKiller
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You seem to have a penchant for posting the same thing on every thread on ZeroHedge.

If Cornel West had his way, he would institute a Socialist Utopia with himself on top of the "Pyramid."  Sometimes, one has to look at the messenger, even when they speak truth.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:24 | 1304880 High Plains Drifter
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west is a war criminal and a puppet for the zionist.  after he won his election with jewish help, he immediately went to the so-called wailing wall in jerusalem ( which is by the way , nothing but the ruins of a Roman temple to Jupiter) and sucked ass and bowed the knee to the the good little slave  that he is........

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 07:10 | 1304404 falak pema
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Thank you TD for this awesome MK+ DPCR interview, which confirms everything I have ever posted here on ZH; a place I feel honored to be allowed to share with you people from the other side of the pond, as a Net surfing foreign visitor that I be.

After the magnificent testimony of Perkins in his series "Financial hit man", now this interview and scathing diatribe of the US oligarchy by the inventor of "Reaganomics" : Dr Paul Craig Robert. He must be squirming in his skin to see how this brave new "supply side scheme" has played out over thirty years. It shows on his honest, sad but determined face as he faces up to history. As did Robert McNamara in that wonderful film "The fog of War" on his involvement in decisions on Vietnam, as well his earlier experience of fire bombing Tokyo during WW2, as strategic staff of Curtis LeMay in charge of air battle.

Can't beat history to reveal, by getting to the bottom of major events, with gems like these interviews. Thanks again.


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:38 | 1303434 topcallingtroll
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I used to think Paul Craig Roberts was interesting.  But to compare the complete suppression of free speech and the virtual complete lack of individual rights in china favorably with the USA is nonsense.

Even poets just disappear for days or weeks at a time and police are not required to notify family.  Even the tiniest protest is met with police in the disguise of taxi drivers and cleaning crew.  china is an evil dictatorship.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:41 | 1303445 mynhair
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Not to mention, when has a 'Merican had to stand in front of a tank?

Plus the bill to the family for the bullet.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:39 | 1303449 tpberg7
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The time is soon coming when these things will happen every day.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:49 | 1303496 Cleanclog
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In "merica, there are capitol controls on the individual people - can't park our money offshore for tax dodges, but no problem for the corporations.  Go oligarchs!  Soon our feudalistic state will be acknowledged.  Most of us in the serf category.


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:00 | 1303530 topcallingtroll
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and overseas capital controls are not even more rigid in china for the average citizen?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:39 | 1304254 jeff montanye
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alright.  perhaps p.c.r. took some poetic license.  concede to your point that the chinese "communist" dictatorship is more "fascist"/"police state" than the u.s. currently.  however it is more than surprising how fast basically bush and obama (though nearly each war brought us lower) turned the u.s. into a proto-orwellian dystopia.  with new laws and legal precedents and newspeak and a department of homeland security and all.  

cloture on the patriot act, with zero reforms, passed the senate 74 to 8 yesterday. 

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:50 | 1303486 cossack55
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The SWATs kill them before they get that far.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:33 | 1303638 serotonindumptruck
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The SWAT people have families that need protection also. While SWAT is killing your family, who is watching out for their families?

(Don't answer that. It's merely an academic exercise.)

Civil war is coming. Better get ready.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:39 | 1303993 johnnynaps
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I like! I watch these protests/protestors in other countries and wonder...........

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:33 | 1304416 Ace Ventura
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Now you know why those oinkers stage far away from their intended target, and why they almost always don face-covering garb.

Their increasingly criminal behavior won't stop however, until they begin to experience the very consequences you mentioned.

Wish there was a clear-cut way to get ready, but I am in agreement.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:17 | 1303600 I am a Man I am...
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ever heard of the kent state massacre, or when they burned those people up in waco?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:22 | 1303608 topcallingtroll
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the difference is scope and scale.  Mostly isolated acts of poor training and stupidity and bad management versus a systematic suppression of the people.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:32 | 1303956 BloodPigOnFeces
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no it's the training of pigs and the condoning of tyranny

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:33 | 1303639 mynhair
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Kent State was justified.  Too bad Jane Fonda wasn't present.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:51 | 1303704 topcallingtroll
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you are such a troll! LMFAO

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:43 | 1304257 jeff montanye
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yes.  they were said to be throwing those dang rocks.  don't forget jackson state (nearly everyone does -- neil young didn't write "mississippi").

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 10:28 | 1304901 High Plains Drifter
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let me ask you. why would a student fire a gun at fully armed NG troops?  also where in this country are students allowed to carry pistols to school?  no, that shot was not fired by students. if it was not fired by students, then who , may i ask , fired it. you see, back then plans were being cemented in place as our nation was being destroyed....

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:28 | 1303631 Ura Bonehead
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when has a 'Merican had to stand in front of a tank?


You are joking, right? I've now seen the ultimate juvenile rant on ZH. Friend, just so you are clear on your history.... Hundreds of thousands of us 'Mericans' have "stood in front of tanks" on every continent, in countless wars. And rarely were those ‘Merican’ lives offered for 'Merican' freedoms but for the freedoms of others.

Tell you want. Try posting in 30 or 40 years when you're mature enough to have something of a point. Jeez.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:37 | 1303649 mynhair
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Wow, 'hundreds of thousands' of 'Mericans have stood in front of tanks.

In the US when, dip?  Too young to remember Tiananmen Square are you?

Get a life, or learn to read.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:50 | 1303699 topcallingtroll
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He is apparently talking about our overseas adventurism where we Americans heroically stand in front of tanks to end the communist scourge.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:03 | 1303743 robobbob
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Those tanks were Pz Mk IV's and VI's

They didn't stop for photo opps.

or if you want examples on US soil

then M1917's under Gen. MacArthur

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:42 | 1304001 cossack55
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Good reference.



Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:45 | 1304265 jeff montanye
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very good indeed.  most of the time tptb don't need to send in the tanks and the cavalry.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:03 | 1303744 serotonindumptruck
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"One could make all kinds of explosives, using simple household items...if one were so inclined." -- Tyler Durden


Tue, 05/24/2011 - 01:08 | 1304222 geekgrrl
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"If you can bake a cake, you can build a bomb." Stella Marrs

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:48 | 1304140 Ura Bonehead
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I've been to Tiananmen Square more times then you are years old, pal.  All you know about it is from a picture.  Your politics and ignorance of life are really boring.

Here's a version of events a little more age appropriate for you.

Done with this.  Moving on...

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:11 | 1303771 Caviar Emptor
Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:35 | 1303819 Eternal Student
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Thank you for posting that; I was going to.

The Bonus Army march was especially notable in that it was Veterans who were getting screwed after having served their country.

And to top it off, the action against them was led by Douglas MacArthur, Dwight Eisenhower and George Patton. All of whom were later lionized as heroes by this country, while their actions against the Vets has been pretty much white washed.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:38 | 1304124 I Got Worms
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I just read "War is a Racket" by Smedley Butler (2 time recipient of the Medal of Honor). That should be required reading for every American. I'm about to buy a bunch of copies and hand out to family and friends.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:20 | 1303917 Baptiste Say
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Thankfully for "Mericans" the US govt has recently been too busy making Iraqis, Libyans, Afghanistanis, Vietnamese, Pakistanis, Serbians, Somalians, Panamese, Koreans, Grenadenes, Lebanese and more feel the brunt of the US MIL.


Look back in history though and you'll find the Utah war where the military shut down mormon religious freedom, you'll find the civil war where the US killed over a quarter million Southerners wanting freedom, you'll find a genocide of American Indians and you'd be naive to expect such things to never happen again.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:47 | 1304012 cossack55
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Please do not forget our happy subjects the Hawaiians and Phillipinos.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:45 | 1303465 Shell Game
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Difference is the Chinese know they are slaves to the State.  Americans, on the other hand, believe they are free.  Who is quantifiably more enslaved?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:48 | 1303495 Landrew
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CD would be proud of you Shell Game! Very well said, to know you live in a slave state is one step closer to breaking the bonds that tie you.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:57 | 1303520 gmrpeabody
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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:59 | 1303540 topcallingtroll
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What do you think would happen to a site like zero hedge in china?

What do you think might happen to people who post negative stuff against the state in china?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:21 | 1303582 Shell Game
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I do not disagree with you that the Chinese government is heinous, to say the least.  I do disagree with you that they are more heinous.  When a monster behaves badly is anyone surprised?  How about when a boy scout master molests the vulnerable..?

For the U.S. to take the descriptors of 'republic', 'defender of liberty', 'land of the free', and so on..  For the propaganda machine that is our schooling system, entrenching the hive mentality into our children; for the MSM to feed us their outright lies and lies of omisssion; to lull the populace into a dreadful complacency.  Our leaders are traitors of the highest caliber, while the Chinese are, well, being Chinese..

Edit:  even the Chinese .gov is encouraging citizens to buy physical gold. Ours?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:23 | 1303621 topcallingtroll
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the sheeple, if they ever get out of their stupidity, have the right to change the government in the USA.

I don't think recently allowing people to buy gold is a sign of freedom, given the totality of the other circumstances.


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:39 | 1303776 Bay of Pigs
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I guess that's true if you have your head totally up your ass.

Blame the Chinese? Nice try...hardly the case for them or anyone in the USA trying to preserve their money.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:20 | 1304516 BigJim
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The only reason the sheeple have the 'right' to change the government in the USA is because they're stupid.

The moment when a sufficient number of them have woken up to start changing the ponzi, is when their 'right' to change the goverment comes to an abrupt end.

"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."

            - Frank Zappa

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:44 | 1303665 Ricky Bobby
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Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:45 | 1304004 johnnynaps
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comparing the US to the most technologically advanced communist controlled country is an insult in itself. I keep saying, if Bin Laden were in the US after 911, he would have been caught in weeks. Had he been in China, days! Sad

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 06:17 | 1304406 XPolemic
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What do you think might happen to people who post negative stuff against the state in china?

Good point, and that is why it fails. When people know they are being censored, silenced, filtered, harrassed, persecuted, jailed for their words, they resist it, without end.

But the spectacular achievement of modern propaganda in the Western world, is to enslave people, when all they while they think they are free!

There are so many ways to deal with serious dissenters in the Western world, that you rarely even have to apply force. You can character assasinate them, begin a tax audit, frame them for a crime (you don't even need to get a conviction, the time, effort and disruption to their lives is often sufficient).

More to the point, when people believe that they are free to speak, they are incredulous at any type of censorship at all, and yet censorship is constantly going on. Even Google, champion of free speech, censors comments on youtube.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 11:21 | 1305121 High Plains Drifter
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zerohedge is probably not in china.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 23:14 | 1304074 VyseLegendaire
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Goethe reference?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 05:51 | 1304394 Tenma13
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well said.


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:48 | 1303493 cossack55
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Stick to finance or risk exposing yourself as a moron.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:56 | 1303527 topcallingtroll
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How do you justify such harsh suppression of freedom of speech/

How do you justify arbitrary detention for poetry of all things?

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 08:28 | 1304530 BigJim
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We can say what we like... because 99% of the people aren't interested. And if people do start listening, we'll probably wind up ruined (Spitzer) or dead (see zacknik's list above)

No-one's justifying China's suppression of free speech. They're just saying the US isn't much different. How do you justify arbitrary detention for smoking the 'wrong' plant? Or not paying 'your' taxes? Or resisting US occupation of your country?

Most people would rather live in the US than China.... but will that still be true in 10 years? China appears to be getting freer. Can't say the same about the US.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 19:55 | 1303512 Pepe
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Well you are obviously not a poet, but just as an exercise go out there and tell the truth in public. You may get a free trip to Checoslovaquia. I don't think you have to worry about lodging, it will be free also. 

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:01 | 1303544 topcallingtroll
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I don't see anyone putting the posters and bloggers at zero hedge in jail. 

Seriously are you that delusional?  What do you think would happen to a site like zero hedge in China?

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:00 | 1303734 Crumbles
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WOW - best example of creative spelling to date - impressive - even got the capital C there.

BTW, it's Czechoslovakia.  You should ask your teacher to borrow a map?


Mon, 05/23/2011 - 21:45 | 1303837 topcallingtroll
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BTFD comrade

Actually there is no check o slavaquia or however you want to spell it.

It disappeared.  We now have the check and slovaque republiks.

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 22:14 | 1303894 MayIMommaDogFac...
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LULZ!  Czechoslovakia and Planet Pluto teaming up for hockey in a way-future olympics! 

(in Constantinople)

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 12:49 | 1305587 akak
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We now have the check and slovaque republiks.

Actually, they are properly referred to as "Czechia" and "Slovakia", respectively.

(It drives Czechs nuts that the American media steadfastly refuses to call their nation by its proper name!)

Mon, 05/23/2011 - 20:32 | 1303634 Raymond K Hessel
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You're not getting the news that's been squashed on the major networks.  Check out the youtubes on police brutality in the Pittsburgh G20.


Our rights are dying via the "boil the frog method".  The method implies our rights are being violated in a very slight but increasing manner, to the point where before we realize it, we are in a police state.

We now have TSA at high school proms, AMTRAK, etc. The 4th Amendment is now void.  The President will soon have the power to conduct war abroad and within our own borders.


Our rights are being taken away a little at a time.


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