Co-Founder Of Reaganomics, Paul Craig Roberts, "There Is Probably More Democracy In China Than There Is In The West"

Tyler Durden's picture

Paul Craig Roberts: "The west prides itself that it is the standard for
the world, that it is a democracy. But nowehere do you see democratic
outcomes: not in Greece, not in Ireland, not in the UK, not here, the
outcomes are always to punish the innocent and reward the guilty. And
that's what the Greeks are in the streets, protesting. We see this all
over the west. There is no democracy, there are oligarchies, some of
these smaller European countries are not even run by their own
governments, they are run by Wall Street... There is probably more
democracy in China than there is in the west. Revolution is the only
answer... We are confronted with a curious situation. Throughout the
west we think we have democracy, we hold ourselves up high, we demonize
China, we talk about the mafia state of Russia, we talk about the Arabs
and so on, but where is the democracy here?"

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SMG's picture

David Koresh was evil, the oligarchy used that to bring even more evil upon us.

I know explaining this to people is difficult and sometimes they are resistant to hearing the truth about things.  But don't look at them as "sheeple".  The oligarchy does that, they believe they are better than everyone else.  That dehumanisation is a rationalization to do great evil upon the less fortunate.  

There but for the grace of the Creator walk I.

Any of we informed people, could have just as easily been born into the ignorance most of our brothers and sisters are currently enslaved by.

We are all created equal with certain unalienable rights, that is the foundation of the USA.

Spread the truth, talk patiently to your fellow citizen and help them understand.  This is the only way the evil upon us will be defeated.

Spalding_Smailes's picture

You mean T. " Bag' Abdµla Koresh Doomer™ " Mosley .... ?


akak's picture

Please stand at attention, as Spalding will now sing the national anthem of Trollistan:

Spalding_Smailes's picture



Chicago School of Economics •


I pledge allegiance to Uncle Ben
On the United States of America
And to the primary bankers for which he prints
One nation under Friedman 
With treasuries and dollars for all

bigkahuna's picture

Well put SMG - thanks.

cossack55's picture

similar to the methodolgy used to dehumanize the Japanese during WW2.  Made killing them not only patriotic, but fun.

Ahmeexnal's picture

Or the methodology used to dehumanize non-catholics by the church of Rome.

rbjmartin's picture

Or the methodology used by Queen Elizabeth or Oliver Cromwell to persecute Catholics.

High Plains Drifter's picture

david koresh was evil?  what the hell are you talking about?

topcallingtroll's picture

Randy Weaver is on record as having said he regrets the confrontation and should have taken his chances in court in the beginning rather than run to the mountains and fight it out.

BloodPigOnFeces's picture

big deal. they shot his wife and child in cold blood.

prole's picture

Yeah because when they kill your wife and kid it probably doesn't mess up your head and leave you with tons of regrets. (woops I did not see your post pig)

Calmyourself's picture

"Fight it out" How many shots did Randy shoot? Stick to fiannce fool..

topcallingtroll's picture

Well...I guess fight it out was a poor choice of words.

Calmyourself's picture

He refused to do the Feds bidding and then was set up and never fired a shot.. You are intelligent, do your research and come to your own conclusions vis a vis our Gov. You seem to be operating under the propaganda line not the facts.. I for one cannot believe I am talking like this, several years ago I would have considered my present set of attitudes and views somewhat radical and frankly fringe. I am now starting to think I was wrong for a very long time.

High Plains Drifter's picture

his statement is correct under the circumstances , when you have a government out of control and not under the rule of law. maybe his wife and child would still be alive. he got set up from the word go on it. it is the time of surrender now. it matters not where it is in the world. one must surrender now. it is the only way to stay alive. saddam hussein should have surrendered. his country would probably still be in one piece. gaddafi should  have surrendered. this beast, that is loose now, cannot be fought. it is too strong, filled with useful idiots who do what they are told without thinking. to stop this, one must  interrupt  this supply of fresh useful idiots.  until this is done nothing will change. fighting it , is  a  stupid option.  also the military industrial complex lives because of conflict.  surrender causes the conflict to die down. with no conflict, the sheep see the military industrial complex as it really is, not about defense, but all about offense. randy weaver was a convenient patsie and he had no idea ( I guess) what he was dealing with. Now he knows. Now he understands. He should have surrrendered. There was no other option.

SilverBaron's picture

In your mind are there any principles worth dieing for?  Wouldn't it be better to die a martyr for a worthy cause than to live a like a scared rat?  How many Egyptians are grateful to the one guy who set himself on fire because he was willing to die for a cause?

Do you think they will stop if everyone surrenders?  NO!  They will continue to encamp everyone until they have them in the ovens.  They will decide that the world population needs to be immediately and drastically reduced, and guess what.  You will die anyways, or live a 1984 style of life that is not worth living anyways.

We shall fight in the fields, we shall fight on the landing grounds, and in the streets.  We shall never surrender!

WaterWings's picture

I agree with both of you. My take is that if one's number comes up early, before major dislocation occurs, you might (you can never know) be better off taking a major jolt of pain, but still be around for the dislocation, with your family, intact. It's a personal gamble because few will stand with you - they would rather watch teevee and not be bothered. Until critical mass is reached we have a waiting game.

Coward: A man in whom the instinct of self-preservation acts normally. ~Sultana Zoraya

To live with fear and not be afraid is the final test of maturity. ~Edward Weeks

Courage is knowing what not to fear. ~Plato


A coward is a hero with a wife, kids, and a mortgage. ~Marvin Kitman

The only real progress lies in learning to be wrong all alone. ~Albert Camus

So, each man must decide what he will do. Full Spectrum Domination quickly winnows out those who cannot patiently wait.

unununium's picture

Many here believe that the agents of power available to Americans -- in particular, the president and congress, are universally corrupt and worthless.

Whom does a belief like that help?  It helps those who fear the power of the people.  These are the agents empowered by the founders to transmit our will.

When someone like Bernie Sanders can still filibuster for 36 hours against extending tax breaks for the rich, I propose that not quite all is lost.


israhole's picture

But Bernie will still spend all our money supporting wars for Israel.

All our wars are for Israel, but that's coming to an end as more "Goyim" wake up to facts every day.



SMG's picture

Lucifer worshipers not Jewish people are the source of our problems.

Spalding_Smailes's picture

You mean the Arabs ... ? I mean the Muslims .... 

jeff montanye's picture

oh that is funny.  israel founded in '48 and the first arab attack outside the middle east is what '68?  waited a generation seeing if there was a chance?  that's patience.

bigkahuna's picture

Again, well put. The luciferians would like nothing better than to demonize the Jewish people and the Christians in the eyes of everyone else. They are doing a fine job too. They have taken control of the US, Europe, and Israel and turned our countries and people toward greed, spite, and perdition.

It has not hit the fan yet, but it will and the game is almost up.  

High Plains Drifter's picture

by jewish people, you mean converts to talmudic judaism, correct?  i think the term "jewish people" is not technically correct. Jewish people would signify a people who belonged to the tribe of Judah in the Biblical record. Those people disappeared long ago. Rabbis will say that , well we jews are not evangelistic. but i am here to tell you, that this has not always been the case. I am reading a old , somewhat rare book right now, about the history of a country called Khazaria. It was a nation that during the first millenium, converted in mass, to judaism. These people were the foundation, if you will of the Ashekenzim branch of world jewry. Of course such little facts, are overlooked and I realize we should not talk about such things.

Head for the Hills's picture

But Bernie will still spend all our money supporting wars for Israel.

All our wars are for Israel, but that's coming to an end as more "Goyim" wake up to facts every day.


This stupid garbage flies around here all the time.  The US neither hates Arabs nor loves Jews.  Most Americans wouldn't give a shit if all Arabs and Jews wiped each other off the face of the earth.

America loves oil.  Israel is a forward military based located next to the oil wells. It is populated by people encircled by enemies who desparately need powerful friends at any cost.  Allowing the failure of Israel would not appease relations with oil rich Arab states, only take away a key military post.

High Plains Drifter's picture

friend, poor little israhole , would wipe any of these arabs off of the planet if they even dared to try anything remotely what you are talking about. they may be surrounded by enemies but that fact in and of itself is one of their own making. after all, these europeans came there and stole the land from its rightful owners, owners as said by shlomo sand, to be about a thousand times more "jewish" than anyone who came there from europe. so please, talk to the hand about "poor defenseless Israel" that misinformation ship has sailed a long time ago....israhole is not our friend and never was. any conversation along those lines is contemplated by ignorant people who really don't know what is going on. the internet is still alive. do due diligence and maybe you will finally get it......but then again, maybe not...........

SerfDude's picture

Let's do some irony shall we... ... Iran... at least in America.. you're allowed to protest on Iranian televison

Bananamerican's picture

yea, I LOVE that one!

Free Speech Zones...

"enjoy your Liberty amerika. You EARNED it!"

saw this in the NY Times today...

"Steady Decline in Major Crime Baffles Experts"

fajensen's picture

... In the designated Free Speech(tm) Zone!

Isn't everything just great now that Bush is Black?

tarsubil's picture

I clapped when I saw it!

Hobbleknee's picture

Yes, you're allowed to protest as long as it's not outside a designated free-speech zone and you obtain a permit to speak from your masters.

Mariposa de Oro's picture

They don't want to hear it.  It's like teaching a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and it annoys the pig!

silberblick's picture

Cornel West calls out Obama as being a part of the oligarchy and challenges Americans to rise up like people in Europe and the Middle East are doing (just like Max has been calling for). Read here:

StychoKiller's picture

You seem to have a penchant for posting the same thing on every thread on ZeroHedge.

If Cornel West had his way, he would institute a Socialist Utopia with himself on top of the "Pyramid."  Sometimes, one has to look at the messenger, even when they speak truth.

High Plains Drifter's picture

west is a war criminal and a puppet for the zionist.  after he won his election with jewish help, he immediately went to the so-called wailing wall in jerusalem ( which is by the way , nothing but the ruins of a Roman temple to Jupiter) and sucked ass and bowed the knee to the the good little slave  that he is........

falak pema's picture

Thank you TD for this awesome MK+ DPCR interview, which confirms everything I have ever posted here on ZH; a place I feel honored to be allowed to share with you people from the other side of the pond, as a Net surfing foreign visitor that I be.

After the magnificent testimony of Perkins in his series "Financial hit man", now this interview and scathing diatribe of the US oligarchy by the inventor of "Reaganomics" : Dr Paul Craig Robert. He must be squirming in his skin to see how this brave new "supply side scheme" has played out over thirty years. It shows on his honest, sad but determined face as he faces up to history. As did Robert McNamara in that wonderful film "The fog of War" on his involvement in decisions on Vietnam, as well his earlier experience of fire bombing Tokyo during WW2, as strategic staff of Curtis LeMay in charge of air battle.

Can't beat history to reveal, by getting to the bottom of major events, with gems like these interviews. Thanks again.


topcallingtroll's picture

I used to think Paul Craig Roberts was interesting.  But to compare the complete suppression of free speech and the virtual complete lack of individual rights in china favorably with the USA is nonsense.

Even poets just disappear for days or weeks at a time and police are not required to notify family.  Even the tiniest protest is met with police in the disguise of taxi drivers and cleaning crew.  china is an evil dictatorship.

mynhair's picture

Not to mention, when has a 'Merican had to stand in front of a tank?

Plus the bill to the family for the bullet.

tpberg7's picture

The time is soon coming when these things will happen every day.

Cleanclog's picture

In "merica, there are capitol controls on the individual people - can't park our money offshore for tax dodges, but no problem for the corporations.  Go oligarchs!  Soon our feudalistic state will be acknowledged.  Most of us in the serf category.


topcallingtroll's picture

and overseas capital controls are not even more rigid in china for the average citizen?