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Coast Guard Says BP Saw Has Become Stuck In Riser Pipe

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Hopefully JPM's prop team managed to dump all their shares in time. Breakingnews.com reports that the "Coast Guard says saw has become stuck in riser pipe in the latest effort to contain the Gulf Oil spill." Of course, all those who expressed a bullish outlook on BP today certainly foresaw this, and all future unexpected events...

 

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Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:04 | 389226 Mako
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Boy didn't see this one coming.  :)

Eventually 50/50 a nuke is going to have to be used, wake me up in a few years when they have that plan all ready to go.  Good chance a nuke will work but there is also a chance the nuke makes it worse as well.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:13 | 389241 Sudden Debt
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I bet the saw marking has "MADE IN THE U.S.A" printed on it :)

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:21 | 389270 101 years and c...
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BP can't afford a saw newer than 48 years old?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:42 | 389299 Carl Spackler
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No, everything we use here is Made in China, these days.

 

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:21 | 389269 Mission Stupid
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We should just outsource the whole nuclear bomb approach to the Russian govt/oligarchs. 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 17:01 | 390378 Scarecrow
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Why not ask the Mexicans to fix it? They did it in 1980 and would probably do it cheaply as and better than we can as well.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:42 | 389301 gmrpeabody
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I have no way to verify camera angles, but the shot I saw (no pun intended) yesterday, looked like they positioned the saw to cut from the bottom up. Suerly, they wouldn't have overlooked the fact that that my crimp the saw blade, would they?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:58 | 389342 Mad Max
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Given the keystone kops team that's been working on things so far, who knows...

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:56 | 389485 duo
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Anyone who had ever used a saw to cut down a tree would know that about halfway through, the cut would collapse and pinch the saw.

 

Now cut a wedge from the other side.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:06 | 389231 Cursive
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Of course, all those who expressed a bullish outlook on BP today certainly foresaw this, and all future unexpected events...

Exactly.  This is why the Credit Suisse analysis is really just guess work.  Since the Gulf Coast tourism and fishing industries won't survive it, I don't think BP survives this.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:10 | 389528 sushi
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BOP is commencing other revenue streams. New to market is BP BBQ Lighter Starter. Each 16oz bottle comes direct from the GOM and is bottled by hand under Amercian supervision.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:09 | 389233 docj
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Pfft - who cares.  Pending home sales were an upside "surprise" so it's RALLY ON!!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:10 | 389236 Tigers Wood
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June 2 (Bloomberg) -- BP Plc’s failure since April to plug a Gulf of Mexico oil leak has prompted forecasts the crude may continue gushing into December in what President Barack Obama has called the greatest environmental disaster in U.S. history.

 “The worst-case scenario is Christmas time,” Dan Pickerig. the head of research at energy investor Tudor Pickering Holt & Co. in Houston, said. “This process is teaching us to be skeptical of deadlines.”

Ending the year with a still-gushing well would mean about 4 million barrels of oil spilled into the Gulf, based on the government’s current estimate of 12,000 to 19,000 barrels leaking a day. That would wipe out marine life deep at sea near the leak and elsewhere in the Gulf, and along hundreds of miles of coastline, said Harry Roberts, a professor of Coastal Studies at Louisiana State University.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:13 | 389239 Mako
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"The worst-case scenario is Christmas time"

That is not the worse-case scenario, that is worse-case if that works.

They should be working on a plan for a nuke in case that falls through.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:14 | 389246 Sudden Debt
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Obama should call Iran and ask if he can use one of their nukes.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:16 | 389377 sumo
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It's faster if he asks Israel

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:31 | 389411 Mad Max
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I heard that our very own USAF has a couple o'nukes lying around, not doing anything.

See my comments below, however.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:18 | 389255 jdrose1985
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If they won't at least try to divert a big portion of the flow into empty tankers to try to mitigate the damage being done, they need to nuke it now and get it over with, already.

Sick of the worst case scenarios.

Worst case scenario? 1/3 of the seas become toxic and TEOTWAWKI. End of story.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:17 | 389379 Chicago_CTA
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I'm in favor of using EXPLOSIVES to close the well off.  Anyone see "There Will Be Blood?"  How do oilmen seal off wells?  Dynamite, of course...dig a hole to the sides of the pipe, fill it with high-grade explosives and that should seal it off.  

NUCLEAR WEAPONS?  Maybe that would work, but I'd be in favor of conventional methods first.  Why haven't they done this?  

This will cost BP upwards of $30bb to $50bb before this is fully over.  People along the gulf coast should be out in the streets with pitchforks. 

 

This is death in slow motion.  A new low, even for homosapiens.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:34 | 389421 Cognitive Dissonance
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The well casing itself is so damaged (possibly down to the field itself 4 miles below the sea floor) that they can't cap it in any manner without risking a blowout sideways, through the rock and dirt, the result being oil and gas popping up all over the place from the sea floor.

This was the take away from the failed "Top Kill", that the well itself is seriously damaged and won't hold pressure if it is sealed. This is why they have stopped trying to seal it from the top. This is why the relief wells are the only long term hope for stopping the oil.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:00 | 389498 DaveyJones
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 "so damaged...that they can't cap it in any manner without risking a blowout sideways"  - kinda like the country

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:38 | 389286 cossack55
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You may wish to review the interaction between nukes and methane as described by the Ryskin theory.  The dinosaurs asr still unhappy about the whole tar pit thing.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 16:58 | 390372 merehuman
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1 it keeps spillen and a fillen the great blue sea-black!

2 everything dies in the ocean after 2 years and nasal refugees go north to fight for food.

3.As hot oil comes out, sea water goes in. Comes to a boil down below.OOPS!  have an earthquake with your fish and fries as the Gulf explodes in a gargantuan manner. A truly epic moment as the earth begins to spin faster  and our day shortens into infinity.

4. We  soak up the oil with printed money. Our currency has sound backing and we die. No more problem!

5. Damn i forgot the spaced aliens, me

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:44 | 389305 Votewithabullet
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Tigger , you have to program that thing before you post? Whiskey tango foxtrot.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:17 | 389251 Postal
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My dad used to do this all the time with his chainsaw. Repeatedly. Didn't learn. *grumbles*

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:11 | 389366 silvertrain
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Yep..You can do it but you have to use wedges to keep the gap from closing up..In there case any moron knows you cut a limb or in this case a metal pipe where the weight works with you..THE TOP DOWN..Somebody is going to have to get them out of there..

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 17:03 | 390384 merehuman
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wedges, we dont need no stinken wedges, we got MAN TOYS. LOL

I bet there is a lot of machismo about the use of these million dollar tools.

Often the simple way is harder but more effective. its the elbow grease and committing to the task thats missing

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:19 | 389259 SheepDog-One
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I say send down Erin Burnett to yap the oil back in the hole!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:48 | 389311 gmrpeabody
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+100

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:20 | 389262 Fish Gone Bad
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Wait until the hurricanes spread the oil hundreds of miles inland.  This oil spill might be able to kill farm land hundreds of miles inland, forests, fresh water lakes, alligators, and all of Florida.  Chernobyl is still a mess, but at least its a green mess http://www.kiddofspeed.com/).

The only winners here will be the fishermen, and BP.  The fishermen will get paid, but everyone that made a living off of their catch, will be destroyed.  The fish warehouse? Gone.  The fish restaurants?  Gone.  The waitresses, cooks, bus boys, etc?  Gone.  The tax base? Gone.  The truck drivers, mechanics, parts sales people?  Gone.  So how will BP be a winner?  They might get to buy the poisoned land for pennies on the dollar.  There they can put in more wells!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:40 | 389293 cossack55
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Again, you may wish to pay more attention to the phytoplankton in the Gulf.  I have seen no figures on this anywhere, but you may wish to lie on the beach with oxygen tanks soon.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:56 | 389334 Hansel
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I think there is a good chance of food inflation from this.  All the protein fished from the gulf will have to be found elsewhere.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:01 | 389350 OpenEyes
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will likely create additional demand for alternate sources of protein.  Look for increases in consumption (and prices) of pork, beef, chicken etc.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:33 | 389417 silvertrain
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Im thinking the same thing but comming from problems with ships being able to navigate the mississippi river..If they are delayed due to having to be cleaned or even stopped all together food inflation is going to pop..

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:31 | 389596 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I was thinking of bugs. 200 million per human on earth. Anything fried or covered in sugar will go down easy.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:56 | 389483 Calculated_Risk
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I can see it now... a category 5, oil soaked hurricane barrelling through the gulf states.. then as it peaks in its ferocity a lightning bolt sets the bitch on fire.. now you have a giant flaming hurricane shooting fire accross the land. One giant Apocalypse Now napalm death...

Got Popcorn?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:58 | 389494 duo
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Seals 2 thru 5, all at once.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:13 | 389545 Mad Max
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Quite an image.  And it would be something to see that hit the Bible Belt.  Now if only it could somehow whip all that oil up and transport it about 1000 miles inland to hit Chicago (not only the purported vacation home of the Obummer, but also of BP), that would be something.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 17:06 | 390395 merehuman
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Oh here you go. A full blown hurricane catches afire all the way to DC.

Now there is a derivative spinoff! derived and spun.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:20 | 389263 bugs_
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Need Russian Space Station fix!!!

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:20 | 389264 JLee2027
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And I thought the gubermint could do anything!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:20 | 389266 Amish Hacker
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I hope they're working on more than one relief well. My recollection is that one of the reasons the Ixtoc disaster took so long to stop is that the first relief well helped, but it didn't solve the problem.

Even if we get lucky and seal the well by August, we're probably in for a 20-year seminar on the effects of oil on marine biosystems.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:12 | 389539 Mad Max
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I believe they're working on two relief wells, from separate directions.

Not so many drill ships available to do more than that, I expect.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:22 | 389273 Gully Foyle
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This is starting to become a Terry Thomas comedy.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:19 | 389384 sumo
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BP could use the "Benny Hill" theme music at its press conferences, to set the tone.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 21:11 | 390880 JethroBodien
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The man was brilliant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MyT6d4FWpw

 

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:37 | 389281 Thorny Xi
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It was obvious last night when the cut began that the saw was placed improperly, since the bent riser section was positioned to one side of the cut.  The saw should have been placed on the opposite side of the weight of the bent riser, so the as the cut progressed the weight of the pipe would have opened the cut, not pinched the blade.

 

Moronic.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:46 | 389307 Me XMan
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Maybe they can use a rope to pull the other way. HHEEEELLLLOOOOOOOO!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:50 | 389317 Cognitive Dissonance
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I was thinking the same thing last night. There was obvious pressure on the riser from the bent pipe (even though it had been cut short) and even though they had a sling holding up the short section of bent riser, how exactly do you measure the bending force from a mile underwater?

Ask anyone who cuts trees for a living. You let the tree do the work for you and you use the tree's natural lean to open the cut if at all possible. Metal is actually more efficientat transmitting internal stress than trees so they should have been thinking of this if a novice like me was. I think they positioned the saw for the best possible camera view from the other ROV, not for the best possible result.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:51 | 389321 Votewithabullet
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I didnt see the final bind but the several I saw were fucking perfect. You'd think multiple engineers would have to sign off before the cut was made. Poor bastards opened pandora's boxer.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:37 | 389282 truont
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live feed from bp.com is down.

uh ohs...

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:37 | 389284 three chord sloth
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How can the damn thing get stuck? It's got to be the most lubricated saw blade in the history of the world!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:42 | 389300 Sudden Debt
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+10 :)

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:52 | 389324 aheady
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ba ha ha ha thank you for that

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:49 | 389471 carbonmutant
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Totally!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:03 | 389510 DaveyJones
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a cut above the rest, with teeth and a nice spin

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:43 | 389303 DavidC
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three chord sloth,
Loved it!!

DavidC

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:48 | 389312 AnAnonymous
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Dont know if that is always the same coast guard... If yes, this guy has seen things and is a well-informed person.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:51 | 389322 Sniper
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Kind of want to go long on a swing trade

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:15 | 389375 Crab Cake
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Well, as long as you have what's important in mind, by all means.  A region of the country is dying, let's see how we can profit shall we?  No wasted crisis, right?  You are a person that deserves this kleptocracy, it suits you just fine in my opinion. 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:22 | 389389 Sniper
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Umm, I went long based on a technical setup, a bounce and am in no way profiting off "a region of the country that is dying" - just the volatility that comes with it.

If you are trolling, then excellent job sir. If not, then you should know better than to have a problem with taking a trade such as this, especially on a finance blog.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 17:12 | 390409 merehuman
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CC. I so long for the day money doesnt matter and people actually care about the other guy MORE than themselves. Those seeking to profit on misfortune will find their own.      Karma

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:54 | 389328 bada boom
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Hasn't getting something stuck in the pipe been their objective all along?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:07 | 389361 LMAO
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Yeah,

Hoping it's a really broad saw blade that got stuck and we're halfway there

 

LMAO

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:12 | 389368 msjimmied
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The bummer is that it's a diamond encrusted chain! No help at all.

http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6541

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 10:57 | 389337 geminiRX
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I was discussing this oil leak situation with an experienced geologist. The nuclear device option is NOT a smart idea and in fact could make the leak much worse than it currently is. They must maintain the integrity of the rock bed and riser....anything the would risk destabilization of such is risky. The only safe option is the relief wells. As bad as the oil slick is, the oil spill consequence may not be as bad as the media makes it out to be. For one, oil is not a man-made product and it is biodegradable. The fortunate aspect of this leak is that it is in a very hot climate - therefore making the oil degrade at a faster pace. If this occurred in the arctic - it would be much, much worse. The dispersants are probably making the situation worse.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:02 | 389352 AnAnonymous
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Many things are biodegradable. Doesnt mean a high dose of them are easy to digest.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:12 | 389370 Crab Cake
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"As bad as the oil slick is, the oil spill consequence may not be as bad as the media makes it out to be."

Are you kidding, are you fucking kidding me?  You don't know shit, ok, you got that?  A whole region is about to die, and you spew this conjecture? 

How dare you!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:18 | 389382 bingaling
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+1000 - I think the media may be downplaying this one if anything -

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:44 | 389453 taraxias
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He's right about the biodegradable part. In another 6-7 thousand years we'll be looking back laughing at this.

What a dork.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:11 | 389537 TBT or not TBT
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I'll take a flyer on minimizing as well.   This is still as nothing compared to the size of the body of water, nevermind the oceans, or the planet.   It sucks to see all that oil go to waste and even more so a vital, productive company destroyed by a moment of inattention on top of bad luck.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:26 | 390002 Ropingdown
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The well failure was not the result of "a moment of inattention." It was the result of failing to use double casing on the well, failing to install redundant POP's, failing to specify the stronger material for the cementing, and on top of all that, failing to head the results of tests which are mandatory and produced unacceptable results.  This is one of the largest and highest-pressure oil reservoirs in the world.  And BP repeatedly chintzed. As for a previous comment, the explosives would not damage the riser, but rather the well casing.  Further, with 15,000 feet from sea-floor to reservoir, well-planned explosives can succeed. The amount of crude being dumped is huge and the gulf is shallow.  The ration of pollutant to sea-water is actually becoming very high.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 16:59 | 390369 DaveyJones
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"It sucks to see all that oil go to waste and even more so a vital, productive company destroyed by a moment of inattention on top of bad luck."

dude! I know, I feel the same way about Eyeraq

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:47 | 390054 geminiRX
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Relax....the world is not ending. Just saying it is best to educate yourself with such matters before employing the famous American "just nuke it" clause. Would you rather have 20,000 barrels leaking per day or 200,000? . I guess Fort Macmurray tarsand oil is no longer as "dirty" as people think it is.... We are just trying to "clean up" a naturally occuring oil spill up here.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:12 | 389371 bada boom
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Are you saying our best friend and confidant, the russians, would steer us the wrong way.

Although Bush did stare Putin in the eyes and sees his goodness.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:23 | 389390 Votewithabullet
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He saw into the "soul" of an russian. FAIL. 8  years of that shit and "condy" was a russian "expert". She could have told dumb ass russians dont have souls.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:35 | 389423 bada boom
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Yes, good ole condy.  Where is she now?

And just clarify, russians refers to their leaders only.  Sure you meant the same.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:38 | 389628 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Per sourcewatch.org:

In March 2009, Rice returned to Stanford University in California, and its Hoover Institution. "Her new role on campus will start less formally, with guest lectures, seminars and personal writing projects," including two books for which she reportedly has "a $2.5 million contract with Crown Publishers." Rice plans to teach courses on "international politics, with a focus on decision-making. Specifically, she seeks to teach 'decision simulation,' where students are pressed to think about real-life questions and choices and not just abstract policy. She told the campus newsletter Stanford Report that she would enjoy teaching a simulation of the Russian invasion of Georgia." [1]

You can add your own joke on that last bullet point.

Oh, and she's probably on craigslist trolling for someone who's into angry republican lesbians...

Who the f&*^ would read a book by Condi, or any of these other hyenas? Oh, and there's a Chevron tanker named after her.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:10 | 389523 DaveyJones
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bush saw a man who could use the central intelligence agency, the energy industry, and his country's resource to enrich himself, and he saw love

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:33 | 389415 Mad Max
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Funny, I was also discussing the spill and "nuke option" with an experienced geologist (30 years, drilling, deep holes), certainly not the same one you were talking with, and he was telling me that the idea of using a nuke to "Fix" the problem was basically insane.  Something about fracturing enormous amounts of rock and creating millions of new channels for oil to leak up instead of just the one channel through the borehole.

He also said that the relief wells were the only realistic fix, and that drilling technology should allow those to work - eventually.  Not a fast fix.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:01 | 389502 duo
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The thinking being that the many cracks would be filled with the sediment that is carried with the oil, eventually slowing or stopping the flow.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:16 | 389551 Mad Max
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Interesting idea, but intuitively I don't see it working, and this really doesn't seem like the time for experimental approaches.

If I were going to spend money on one fix at this time, it would be finding more drill ships to drill additional relief/kill wells, in the hopes that one of them would hit the existing borehole on the first attempt.  One or two relief wells that hit will fix the problem, but you are trying to hit a 10" target more than two miles below the seafloor, coming in from an angle from a mile away horizontally... the fact that it's even possible is amazing, but a direct hit on the first shot isn't likely.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:02 | 389351 bingaling
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A long time ago I worked as an apprentice under certain engineers . This one guy would always seem to get caught up in all kinds of problems no matter what job we were on .His solution was always the same . " Go to my tool box and get the big fuckin hammer."

He was let go from the company for his incompetence. I am now wondering if he is working at BP. I will know if I see a big fuckin hammer underwater in the robots arm.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:06 | 389355 Crab Cake
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I've tried writing something intelligible for almost five minutes now, and all that comes out are expletives.

I have family in SE TX and S LA who work the refineries.  

I'm seriously about to lose my shit. 

Do something, do anything, please, for the love of all things holy stand up for yourselves.  Stop working, stop paying taxes, stop paying the mortgage.... Speak in a language these criminals can understand.  Please.  Please, stand up before it's too late.  The captured governments, the crooked corporations, the corrupt two party system... They don't give a shit about you and me.  Stand up. 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:25 | 389395 sumo
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If you want to incentivize BP executives, give them jail time.

Until then, they'll umm and ahh and fuck around, because the mess is not on their side of the Pond. But when the executives start to believe orange jumpsuit ensembles are in their near future, BP will actually do something effective.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:28 | 389404 Votewithabullet
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CC...we're all dying, act accordingly.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:42 | 389446 sporb
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Crab Cake: I feel your pain, and have lots of friends in the effected area, but - this isn't about Govt - it's about the collapse of professional standards. They had no "worst case scenario". Same as what brought on the financial collapse. It was all "happy case planning".

A different government structure, or the proper execution of justice, would not address this basic problem. Gotta engineer for failure, or else. This is the "or else" part. The engineers who signed off on this should be strung up in the public square.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:11 | 389536 bada boom
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Yes, worst case planning promotes negativity.  We can't have any of that.

There is no ice ahead, if there is our ship will bust the ice up.  All engines ahead, full power!

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:17 | 389543 sumo
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Not the engineers. Management.

Example: Challenger space shuttle disaster. The two engineers at Morton Thiokol who knew the most about O-ring technology were overruled by their higher paid shit-for-brains management (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster):

"The engineers at Thiokol also argued that the low overnight temperatures would almost certainly result in SRB temperatures below their redline of 40 °F (4 °C). However, they were overruled by Morton Thiokol management, who recommended that the launch proceed as scheduled"

Remember, this was a LIFE OR DEATH situation, and the EXPERTS were overruled.

Put management fuck-ups in jail. THEN you will see dramatic improvements in safety records.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:19 | 389560 bada boom
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Yeah, you know it dude.   I can only imagine those execs bitching on how much it was going to cost to delay the launch.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:23 | 389571 Crab Cake
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If you feel my pain then you know that this is so much bigger than a collapse of professional standards, or one corrupt and captured government. 

Look around.  Our world is shit.  The illusions that most of us have been comfortably blanketed with our whole lives are just that, illusions.  We, the bottom 90%, are nothing but consuming taxstock for the bottom line.

Representation?  A captured government, and two corrupted parties.

Justice?  A police state, and a buggy whip for the lower and middle classes.

Truth?  Lies and spin.

America?  A corporatist expansionist empire, one nation under the Fed.

I could go on, but I feel sick...

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:33 | 389605 bada boom
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CC, "Don't let the bastards get you down"

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:43 | 389643 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Sporb - I can tell you that you can trust the engineers. It's the fucktard middle mgrs paying more attn to revenue related delays than any safety issues. The engineers probably didn't sign off on any of this, but some mgmt twerp at the well head decided to chuck the plan and make (the last) executive decision of his life.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:48 | 389660 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Crab Cake,

Be at cause on this where ever you can. Give your relatives any support they need, and yes, let people know that it's better to walk away than spend life as a debt slave.

Don't forget to take a walk and see the goodness in life. Pick some flowers and pet some puppies, you'll feel better. Sometimes the internet can get your knickers in a twist.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 16:20 | 390290 Fascist Dictator
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I've never understood why people say that shit. Why should I stop working, paying my mortgage or my taxes? Why should I 'cut off my nose to spite my face'? Have you stopped working (or were you laid off)? Stand up to what? The elites laugh at us especially when they hear that kind of nonsense. You need a stiff drink or a valium or something, calm down and think through what you said above. Why should people you'll never meet listen and lose everything they have just cause you say/suggest to do so?????

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 17:04 | 390391 DaveyJones
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do you moonlight as a support group leader?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 18:57 | 390614 Crab Cake
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I say things like that, because doing "shit" like that enables the kleptocracy. 

Hey, if you're happy about the state of affairs, and you feel like your vote actually matters; then by all means don't sacrifice anything.

The elites won't laugh if a decent sized minority, or even a small majority, work/tax strike I assure you. 

Actually, the elites are laughing at you because you soldier on no matter how much shit they dump on you.  Hilarious!

I'm telling you to listen because there is no other way, it's violent or peaceful revolution at this point.  If you don't feel that way tune me out.  If you want a violent revolution, more power to you.  If you are looking for a peaceful way to bring TPTB to heel, then maybe you should listen.  God forbid you lose your job or your house to save your country, the horror.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:32 | 389413 ihot
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If the saw was stuck - it is a blessing in disguise as it will block some of the flow.  Where the blade has cut through, BP engineers need to slide in more thin blades of that saw to block the flow of oil. Now they can build on that blockage to block it some more.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:26 | 389572 Printfaster
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In my best Mr T voice:  Fool, the pressure is so high that a thin blade will get sheared off by the oil before it gets halfway through.  That is why they are using a diamond wire saw.

And by the way the diamond wire was sheared off by the oil flow last night.  The lack of thought by the rescue engineers is breathtaking.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 11:36 | 389431 walküre
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People will have to be moved somewhere.

Further North, maybe much further. Canada?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:13 | 389544 TBT or not TBT
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There's oil up there too.   Got any more like that one?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 13:13 | 389751 Mad Max
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The Canadians are already doing a bang-up job of despoiling northern Alberta with the oil sands project, thanks.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:17 | 389552 Printfaster
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OK, I saw the BP live feed.

My question is why has no one taken the bolts off the top of the blowout preventer and bolted a new blowout preventer over the old one?  That is what is normally done above ground.  The underwater tools are capable of turning the bolts, or they can shear them or freeze them with LN2.

All this cutting and sawing is a joke.  The US is screwed with all the incompetence.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:25 | 389577 bada boom
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"The US is screwed with all the incompetence."

Some shit sinks to the bottom, some shit floats to the top.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:32 | 389602 Printfaster
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Actually this is looking more like a scripted diversion.

Have a look at this film, where the Russians had to nuke a blowout:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpPNQoTlacU

Assuming that everyone is competent, what is actually happening is that the blowout is really in the casing below the surface of the ocean bottom and seeping out like the Russian blowout.

What we are being shown is a diversion and sideshow, to draw attention away from the real problem.  Unless the relief wells can take this out, there will be no diminution until pressure is relieved.  This is all meant to appear that everyone is doing what they can, and that no one really wants to cap the well or oil will be coming out everywhere and will be impossible to stop, and will destroy the whole field.

 

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:50 | 389668 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Given the instability of the seabed, nukes may not be the right answer. However, I think the real reason is that they don't want to irradiate such a large, juicy oil/gas supply.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 13:06 | 389724 Printfaster
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Check the film out again.  The oil and gas are not made radioactive.  The key is finding a capping layer and setting the explosive at the right point below the capping layer.  Salt domes will do nicely.

Besides if you are so concerned about radiation, the C14 from cars and oil fired power plants is a big issue.  If anyone ever offers you a brazilnut you best run away from its big dose of radiation.  There is enough radioactive material in one or two brazilnuts to set off the alarms at the entrance to a nuclear power plant.  All natural by the way, from the monazite sands that they grow in.

 

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 13:14 | 389757 Mad Max
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Besides if you are so concerned about radiation, the C14 from cars and oil fired power plants is a big issue.

Not so much.  But you might want to stay on a different planet from any coal-burning power plants, since they emit far more radiation, through uranium traces in the coal, than anything else we're currently doing including all nuclear power plants worldwide.  Roughly 1000 tons/year globally of uranium emissions from coal, if I remember correctly from an article at The Oil Drum.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:21 | 389566 Paul Bogdanich
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Anyone who has ever felled a heavy tree with a chain saw foresaw this.  That's why you cut in wedges so the weight of what you're cutting doesn't jam the blade.  These guys don't sound too thoughtful sometimes. 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:32 | 389600 kleeee
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What would happen if the hurricane season comes and arrives to the Gulf area

Are we gonna see oil flying all over the place

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 12:56 | 389691 Screwloose
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Get a grip girls.  This is verging on eco-paranoia.

It's oil; natural, organic - and very biodegradable. 

Yes; it's messy and extremely bad news for wildlife, but it oozes out of the seabed in many parts of the world - and always has done.  Amazingly - nature copes.

The more volatile fractions evaporate; most of the rest quickly emulsifies with the water, is then eaten by bacteria and the lumps of, sticky, tarry residue either sink to the bottom, or eventually wash up on a shore where UV radiation slowly breaks them down.

Even huge tanker spills more than 60 miles offshore just disappear before making landfall - and they're far bigger than this dribble and happen all at once.

Far from making it worse; a hurricane would clear it all away.  When the Braer went aground on the Shetland Isles; after only one stormy night, not only was there no sign of the 80,000 TONS of oil - there was no trace of the ship either.  www.iosc.org/papers/00193.pdf

A few PAHs in silt was the only trace that cargo ever existed.  When this blowout is eventually stopped, everything will get back to normal in just a few days and the wildlife will eventually recover.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 13:48 | 389873 cluelessminion
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You're serious aren't you?

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:23 | 389990 Screwloose
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Yes; oil has spilled from wells and tankers hundreds of times - and at a far higher rate than this leak, although it definitely holds the depth record.  [The Braer spill was twice the size of the Exxon Valdez and that oil disappeared literally overnight.]

The press screamed: "It's the end of our way of life" every single time.  Flocks of wailing enviro-mentalists preaching doom to gullible reporters on every beach. 

A few days, or months, later it was hard to find any visual evidence that it had ever happened - nature is actually very good at clearing up our mess, our puny efforts usually make it worse. 

I'm not overlooking the disastrous and distressing effects on the wildlife, but they are mostly resilient and numbers recover back into balance with their food resources over time.

Plenty of back-up evidence on Google - from the Torrey Canyon onwards.

 

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:02 | 389918 sumo
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Yep, biodegradable, which will turns much of the Gulf of Mexico waters into an oxygen-free zone. Fish all die, bye bye (http://www.examiner.com/x-325-Global-Warming-Examiner~y2010m5d17-Good-an...)

BP executives' options still vest, so STFU, there's nothing to worry about.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 15:31 | 390172 Screwloose
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No body of water is homogenous; it's stratified vertically and broken into currents and eddies horizontally.

Yes; there will be localized dead zones where the oil emulsion has caused bacterial population explosions to use up all the oxygen; but fish are brighter than they look, tend to be hyper-aware of water quality and most will avoid such patches.

Many will indeed die, but not all - and few things exceed the breeding recovery rate of fish.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 16:33 | 390325 huggy_in_london
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radical thought i know, but do you think these fish that you claim are all going to die might, oh I don't know, swim away to somewhere else??!!!

Thu, 06/03/2010 - 01:45 | 391208 sumo
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Damn, I forgot. It's only a small spill, affecting a small well-contained area. It will be fixed Real Soon Now.

The fish can just move out of the way. Smart thinking.

 

http://tvnewswatch.blogspot.com/2010/05/gulf-leak-worse-than-exxon-valde...

...Experts fear that due to factors such as petroleum toxicity and oxygen depletion, it will result in an environmental disaster, damaging the Gulf of Mexico fishing industry, the tourism industry, and the habitat of hundreds of bird species for years to come...

 

I'll take YOUR word for it over an expert's, ANY day.

Have you thought of a career in management? I'm sure BP is hiring. Your radical ideas will be right at home.

 

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:27 | 390005 Anarchist
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The Prince William sound shoreline is still contaminated a few inches below the surface. The goal of Exxon was to only clean what was visible. This oil is not "weathering" so it will remain deadly for years to come. Many species have not returned to the sound.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 15:48 | 390218 Screwloose
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Yes; their cosmetic efforts would have concentrated only on the visible effects - thereby dispersing the oil and driving it deeper, away from the light.

At those frozen latitudes it will take decades before the buried oil breaks down and stops tainting the water - at least the GoM is nice and warm with plenty of hot sunshine.

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 14:54 | 390074 moneymutt
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So, what does it say when a stuck saw could cause 10's of million stock value loss...maybe, you were living on the edge...

Wed, 06/02/2010 - 19:05 | 390639 Apocalypse Now
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My thoughts:

Geopolitical, and these are just interesting what ifs I am throwing out:

  • It is possible this was all just an accident, but the reported 700+ of safety violations that BP has had in the last number of years is mind boggling compared with only 1 violation for exxon over the same period.  It just boggles the mind and seems impossible when looking at the other oil companies.  It's like this company is the perfect "devil" created as the fall guy that we can all direct our rage at - gunny sacking. 
  • It is interesting that on March 28, UK MPs stated that the special relationship between the UK and the US is over - not sure what they knew at that time about this spill and the ramifications?  UK Pensioners may now be bankrupted by the bankruptcy of BP since most of them had it in their stock portfolios along with UK banks.
  • I "hope" this whole thing Is real.  We needed a catalyst for oil independence, while at the same time countries in the Middle East including our ally depend on US aid to the region (they all need the US interested in their region for aid).  If the US was energy independent, it would not care as much about its ally in the Middle East.  If they had blamed it on Iran, we would know it was faked.
  • With this massive oil reservoir now in question, the US is even more dependent on the ME for oil.  Wouldn't it be interesting if this was a wag the dog type of event where the world was fixated on a video feed of the bottom of a pool somewhere showing an oil leak with a pump like a fountain?
  • The attempt to push through cap and trade indicates a political angle.  Cap and trade is an attempt to push through a global tax for global governance that benefits the globalist bankers.  Remember the connection between Goldman Sachs and BP, both sinister organizations.  This move by BP will benefit GS if cap & trade is passed since they own the exchange and remember the connections.
  • Imagine if this was actually war pre-planning for a major war involving ME oil countries.  We know that the oil shipping lanes would be mined/compromised and most of the oil tankers are rented out and floating at sea waiting for oil prices to rise.  The bankers have purchased many of those tankers at sea.  If the oil could be contained it would be like a second strategic oil reserve for the US, although the coastline would be sacrificed.  We have super computers that provide unique solutions to complex problems that are goal seeked.
  • I can't help feeling that this is a huge diversion for either cap and trade or the military buildup that could result in WW3.  Insiders will know about any military action first, and will try to profit from it - we should watch markets for the same tells that preceded other significant geopolitical events.

Opinion on Fixes assuming this is real (just conjecture):

  • Considering all the trillions we have spent on defense and space exploration/materials, it really strikes me as unusual that there hasn't been a solution that has worked yet.  I really wish we had taken a few billion to study how best to cap deep oil wells and have clean up and containment plans ready to go.  While the ridiculous EPA tries to state CO2 is a pollutant (for the bankers), BP is dumping harmful chemicals into the oceans.  Let's not make it worse, stop adding the chemicals.
  • Comments on the difficulty of the relief well drill intersecting the original drill hole seem unusual in that we have GPS.  Our military satelites in conjunction with adding a GPS device to the relief well drill should enable us to hit the drill hole on the first try.
  • They need to try to use the pressure to their benefit to stop the leak "if real".  I believe the fix must involve using the pressure to our benefit if they truly are trying to stop the leak and not just trying to maintain their investment by attempting to slow the flow so they can add a pipe and continue to use the well in the future - jeopardizing the gulf.
  • The way to use the pressure to their benefit is to drop a robot/device extremely heavy and dense that is shaped aerodynamically/fluid-dynamically like a bullet or missile that can drive in the opposite direction of the flow using gravity and its shape.  A propeller or propellent could be used to fire the "bullet" or missile down the drill hole.  This device should have GPS and a camera at the rear which won't be impacted by the flow up the pipe (indented or inside a hollow in the rear center).  Once the device travels past the drill hole and into the reservoir, it should have arms that can deploy beyond the circumference of the circle, turn the props in the opposite direction, and the flow will keep the device with its arms pushed up against the reservoir/drill hole.  Something like a threaded drywall toggle anchor.
  • If they originally drilled a hole and then capped it, why can't they just drill a bigger hole with the center at the original hole with a larger bit and then cap it in the same manner they did the first time? Obviously a no go if the first drill hole was the largest available.
Wed, 06/02/2010 - 19:10 | 390652 Buck Johnson
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Here's something to read about what a hurricane may do with this oil spill from the horizon.  Many scientists don't really know, but they do know that hurricanes can move and evaporate salts and microorganisms (hmmm, if they have mass they can have oil on them too) hundreds of miles inland.

 

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1492

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