Coeur d'Alene CEO Sees Gold At $1,500, Silver In Mid-$40s "This Year" As Pan American Silver Reduces Production Forecast

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:26 | 1095896 Turd Ferguson
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The Cartel is going to try to hammer on the Globex.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:27 | 1095903 redpill
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Roger that, in a holding pattern waiting to BTFD.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:54 | 1096054 unwashedmass
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ah, do we need to ask ourselves if this could have anything to do with the options expiry next week, and the bind that JPM finds itself in?

could PAAS be trying to "do a favor for the gods"....

while CDE's management figures they've been fucked with so many times over the years by JPM  that they want a little revenge?

do not underestimate personal motives in this stuff....

and it would be very, very, very interesting to see how many shares of PAAS that JPM owns. .....

very interesting. let's all look that up.....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:58 | 1096068 unwashedmass
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well slap me upside the head and paint me my eyes deceive me or does JPM own 1.6Million shares of PAAS......

oooooooo busted!!!!!!!

this is getting beyond ridiculous as these guys manipulate markets, data, and everything else.....

and there is NO accountability. sickening. sickening.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:31 | 1096193 AR15AU
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And JPM is probably skimming some of that AG fresh from the mines, meaning that in all likelyhood, PAAS is producing far above their stated target.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:36 | 1096214 OutLookingIn
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Bear in mind that Pan American Silver has switched from trading in the US dollar to trading in the Canadian dollar. Joining an ever growing list of global companies that are abandoning the USD, in favour of less "volatile" currencies.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:31 | 1095925 Kaiser Sousa
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Turd  -

the shit is fucking obvious...right a 12:30 close n london the metals fall off a cliff....

for what??? because of what??? aint a damn thing change relative to global and domestic macro-economic dept spiral but somehow the Fraud Market stays green and the only 2 forms of real money suddenly halt n a clear march to the sky...

fuck all bankers.......

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:37 | 1095964 Cash_is_Trash
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Thing is the price dumps and dumps.. never know when it'll correct

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:41 | 1095981 Turd Ferguson
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THIS is all you need to know:

BTFD if it gets to 37.20

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:44 | 1096006 bankrupt JPM bu...
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already at $37.20!! haha SHEEEEEESS BAAAACCKKKKK!!!

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:48 | 1096257 Thomas
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But she is a lot hotter than Jon Nadler.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:41 | 1095979 Bay of Pigs
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Yeah, new all time high London PM fix at $1447 and then, WHAM!

This kind of price action shows the desperation the cartel is having these days. All they can manage is a beatdown/retreat. Too many people now know their game plan.  

BTFD if you can time the 2-3 minute low. Lol... 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:48 | 1096014 long juan silver
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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:48 | 1096015 long juan silver
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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:48 | 1096258 Ruffcut
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Shows this cartel, still has a sizable battle hammer to come down in a heart beat, too.

Lehman and Bear stearns gone.

"too many cooks, spoil the broth, bitchez!"

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 17:03 | 1096318 Bay of Pigs
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What is shows is what you can do with regulatory capture and bribes. Madoff looked invincible too at one time. This Ponzi will collapse as well.


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:56 | 1096059 themosmitsos
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Dude, HOW the fuck are you ALWAYS first, second, third comment? WTF?! [not hostility--amazement, curiosity & alarm]

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:55 | 1096060 themosmitsos
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Dude, HOW the fuck are you ALWAYS first, second, third comment? WTF?! [not hostility--amazement, curiosity & alarm]

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:17 | 1096325 Sophist Economicus
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Well, I just got an email from WELL KNOW PM BEAR technical analyst firm to short Gold and Silver around the highs of today - email was time stamped 14:15 EST....Nobody believes in these poor PMs, therefore, we're still good to go for awhile!   Yippee

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:26 | 1095899 Threeggg
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Look at that slamdown right before metals closes

No one seen it comming   ;)

You would think someone was trying to paint a chart. ?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:28 | 1095916 docj
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Yeah, who knew.  Totally news-free scalpling.  Beautiful in it absolute viciousness.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:43 | 1095949 Threeggg
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Can they paint an outside reversal for the "Metals have peaked" media fodder.

Faux News Headline @ 1:00PM  = "Have Metals Peaked"  ?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:49 | 1096021 long juan silver
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It's not the headline that's humorous it's your viewing choice.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:31 | 1095927 bull-market_3.0
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Silly article, this is old news

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:49 | 1096030 long juan silver
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How dare you challenge the hegemony of PMs on this website! Try instead.  It may be friendlier.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:09 | 1096319 oddjob
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It would seem Bob Moriarty was/is short Silver.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:41 | 1098103 slvrizgold
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Bob Moriarty is an absolute douche when it comes to silver.  He is either living in lala land or has an agenda to keep people out of silver.   He is a bombastic arrogant cranky old man.   That said, he does think Israel sucks and the War of (t)Error is a bogus scam based on a pack of lies so he's an ok guy with me.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:33 | 1095933 pragmatic hobo
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perhaps demand isn't there?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:39 | 1095976 Cognitive Dissonance
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Unlikely based upon other indicators.

However, maybe they don't want to pull it out of the ground now and sell at these prices when they know in 2 or 3 years they can get a whole hell of a lot more fiats for the same metal. With the price going up, they can mine less and still increase income and profits.

Is the bird worth more in the hand, from which it is promptly sold, or more in the bush, where it can be sold tomorrow at a much higher price?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1095988 Cash_is_Trash
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Cog, this seems to explain the contango.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:48 | 1096016 Cognitive Dissonance
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Judging from the Gold and Silver charts, the bird in the hand just shit all over me. :>)

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:34 | 1095935 Temporalist
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I think todays pullback was just traders securing gains.  No big deal the trend moves on.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:37 | 1095959 outamyeffinway
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I agree it could be as simple as that. It's a fixed market but still a market and many sell right before close on the Dow and S&P as well. We can't know for sure.

Peak silver? I think we hit that years ago. The fact that production rose in 2006 is meaningless becuase we don't know what accurate prices were. Peak (blank) is rising cost as supply dwindles. We know supply is dwindling and the cost was suppressed. The realization of the true supplies of silver will shock the world.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:04 | 1096289 Ruffcut
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Gee. copuld we have ever of thunk that goldbeast had a down day last week, and they needed to do a quick pump and dump?

Like taking candy from a baby, while the baby mama was going for a smoke.

Oh, and you can rig fut option volitility for more premium with their behavior. The mena issues might have cost them a few bucks to contain, even if the whole thing was planned. But, the little tremor in japan may have changed the mix.

If you are not thinking out of the box, then realize these credos are acting out of it.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:35 | 1095944 Oh regional Indian
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If you like the upswing, you should love the down-turn. Only then can you survive the coming swing-o-rama with a heart and head intact.

These guys making statement could be talking a play, sending a message, whatever.

The reality is quite simple. What did Gold and Silver do just before and during the great wars. 


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:34 | 1095945 rosiescenario
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In a well managed mining operation lower grade ore is used during periods when the price for the metal produced is high. This extends and actually results in an increase in the mines reserves. This is a pretty basic mining practice for any well run operation.


I would expect all the silver and gold miners to be using as much low grade ore as possible right now. Obviously, when you run lower grade ore through your mill you end up with a lower amount of the metal....for example, if your mill can handle 200 tons per day of ore and you feed it ore with a lower net yield of the metal you are producing, you get less of that metal on an annual basis.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:38 | 1095957 Flakmeister
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Correct....problem with a lot of Ag miners is that they were breaking even or loosing money at $18....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:34 | 1096412 rosiescenario
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....with the very notable exception of Hecla which actually has a negative cost per oz of silver due to the bi-metals produced....


Another miner I own has costs running about $3 / oz for silver, after allowing for their lead, zinc, and copper sales. Since the company has good management, I expect they will be mining more low grade ore this year, thus increasing their reserves, but also increasing their production cost per oz. and decreasing the number of oz produced due to the mill capacity.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:18 | 1096649 Flakmeister
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Hecla was not in great shape for a while. One of the very few miners that were making money when Ag was ~$14 was Impact Silver, a company that I have touted here on a number of occasions. I am currently looking at a 16-bagger on the shares I still own.

BTW, I prefer the Hecla preferreds, HL.PRB, not very often you get convertable cumulative preferreds in a PM company. There is plenty of pure equity exposure elsewhere to be had

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 16:20 | 1096659 Flakmeister
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And yes, the smart miners manage their ore in such a fashion. By smart I imply the ones that I want to own! 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:36 | 1095947 tmosley
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Eh, what do you do?  I ordered at $37.96 today for my regular monthly order.  Need to learn to take my own advice and buy at the end of options/futures expiry.  These rises just have me scared, I guess.

The truth is, I want lower prices.  The lower the spot price, the more impossible it is for these jokers to cover their shorts with physical, and the sooner this charade is over.  If physical silver is not delivered, then it is a default, and the exchange will no longer be used to influence the price of physical.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1095986 Threeggg
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Next Tuesday is "Roll" day for the March 11th contracts

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:44 | 1096007 tmosley
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That is what has me scared.

Who knows what will happen in the short run?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:53 | 1096045 long juan silver
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Your scared of gold bears that's for sure! Drink the rootin tootin raspberry and watch the metronome tick HAhahahahahehehe

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:56 | 1096056 tmosley
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Way to be incoherent, Willy the Loser.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 14:22 | 1096172 Richard Head
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What a douche, moron "the bastard" had to change his name.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:19 | 1096338 I Am The Unknow...
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William you Fucktarded Bastard/You Wish You Had A Long Juan:

It is way too early in the day to be drunk dude.  We all know your trolling job isn't going well, but either sober it up or get into another line of work.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 15:25 | 1096359 Mark McGoldrick
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....That is what has me scared.....


In all seriousness, you've repeatedly said that price doesn't matter.  So why does price matter today, and why are you scared?

By the way, I know you'll think this is antagonistic, but it's not.  For months, I've been trying to learn why price doesn't matter, so I'm just curious when I see a contradiction of sorts.  I'm hoping you may be able to provide some good advice why today is different - that's all.

In virtually everything I buy, price matters quite a bit.  Am I wrong?  


Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:35 | 1095952 Flakmeister
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Nowhere near peak silver yet... but, the number of mines currently operating is peaked for now and new ones take time. This rise in price will bring some formerly marginal properties into play.

Ratio of Au to Ag production is 1:9

Crustal ratio is 1:16

IIRC ~25% of Ag production is basically investment, whereas ~100% of Au is. This implies 1:36 ratio of production going into investment.

Draw your own conclusions....

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 13:42 | 1095995 outamyeffinway
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Silver has been mined for 6,000+ years. The USGS tells us that at CURRENT rates of production and use (not including new technological demand) silver will no longer be able to be economically mined in 20 years. If the world uses silver at HALF the rate as the US does it will not be available after 9 years. How in the world can you claim we are nowhere near peak?

Perhaps in the life of a nat!!!

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