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The Communists Have Taken Over The Acropolis
Xerxes Blankfein's attempts to auction off Athens' monuments appear to have met with a resilient match in the face of the communist affiliated Spartans who have now covered the Parthenon with slogans that read: "The peoples have the power and never surrender - Organise - Counterattack." For indications of just what this "organized counterattack" will look like keep an eye on livestreams from Syntagma tomorrow, when the stakes will be far higher than during last week's vote of confidence.
Ironically, right on cue, here comes Stark to make it all too clear what the future holds in store for the Acropolis, and Greece in general:
STARK SAYS GREECE HAS 'ENORMOUS' PRIVATIZATION POTENTIAL
Talk about euphemisms.
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The thread topic itself concerned privatizing a cultural landmark, i.e. the Acropolis. In response your first post on the subject was this:
"What is wrong with privatization? I can never understand that point of their protest - can someone enlighten me here - seriously though."
I responded to this exact quote, not your future questions/points, and you immediately accused me of not being serious and told me to read the question next time. You must understand that your original question contained none of your future clarifications. It would be a bit like if I asked you "tell me what is wrong with burgers?" and you responded "well, they are greasy and--" and then I came back with "Did you read the question? How does this relate to Wendy's soda machines?"
You were not clear at all in the very beginning which privatization you were discussing, and this article isn't about utilities, unless Tyler was speaking metaphorically. It's fine if you want to change the discussion mid-stream; clarification is OK. But don't slam me and another poster for not having the clairvoyance to understand your incredibly vague initial post, and apparently having the unmitigated gall to assume it was about cultural landmarks -- i.e., the thread topic.
This is the point where you say: "Oh, that makes sense. Sorry dude." Then I reply "Likewise, no worries". Sound fair?
No, this is where I say that you need to read the whole story along with the link. In no place does it actually say that Akropolis is for sale or that the point of privatization is to sell Akropolis (unless you know who Xerses Blankfein is - another tongue in cheek reference) - just the headline here as many headlines get sensationalist or "tongue in cheek" ( http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1255449/Greece-debt-crisis-Germa... about half way through the story - it is a joke). They are protesting near Akropolis to create all the wrong associations with privatization spreading rumors that that is what Germans want. In reality, read up what spielgel.de and other have to say. A tonn of companies with outrageous inefficiencies - my question was in regards to privatization in general, not specific. Which is exactly why I wanted to get the greasy burger response, but got a Wendy's soda machine one that I got instead.
I am asking for a general question and getting the most extreme answer instead. Enjoy!
I clearly said that we are discussing privatization in the real world and not the hypotheticals/extremes as you brought up. If you do not understand that after I made it abundantly clear in every message above you are an idiot, and I am junking you everywhere now. There ought to be a GMAT minimum score verified to post here - seriously!!!!
Tyler Durden - can we have that? I do not know - 650 maybe or 700 minimum. It is a pain to verify, but might be worth it. I think that would be a good start then we can raise to 750+.
Imagine yourself standing before a sentencing judge whose pals operate the privately owned prison, where yet another pair of cellblocks are under construction.
Your example already happens right now. It took like 2 seconds to google this.
"Pa. judges accused of jailing kids for cash " http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29142654/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/pa-judges-accused-jailing-kids-cash/Things would be different under privatization. If the judge were corrupt, the private owner of the court would most likely fire the corrupt judge for jeapordizing his business and wealth. Inefficient courts that arrive at unjust rulings cannot survive in a system where entrepeneurs compete to provide the best arbitration and security services and strive to earn the best reputation.
Corrupt kangaroo courts - using archaic procedures, using gobbledygook terms like "replevin" and "trover", and costing astronomical amounts - can only survive when there is a government monopoly in place - i.e. when coercion is used to insulate service providers from market disciplines.
This suggests a deep change in paradigm.
Explaining how is required. They compete over making the most profits. Prisons sending people for wrong causes will have an edge.
Explain.
You describe a case for corruption - not privatization. Those are very different in nature and corruption under the government rule is much worse than in the private world.
Really? What a shallow cover up. Better to say that the constraints on government to prevent corruption are much stronger than on private parties, making corruption appear more.
In the private sector, quite easily, people argue that corruption is not corruption thanks to property rights, giving people the possibility to act the way they wish, included corruption.
By the same measure, a government would be much less corrupt.
"I clearly said that we are discussing this and this and this my way!" The arrogance of the state. No matter what you pretend to be saying or implying, it is obvious that you are speaking down the barrel of a gun at your target. You are the state.
Addresses Tyler like "we" "we" "we" I guess this site is Tyler and Doode site.
Tool.
Mmm, no - that would be moderating. People choose to go off tangent and I do not want anyone hijacking my thread with random responses.
"Under Supervision", since when has this worked? I guess the "supervising" we've received, of financial institutions has worked? Or that the regulators (Supervisors) have NOT been captured?
Electric companies, are about to jack rates 30% + and where are the regulators? Supervisors?
like the privatisation of the US armed forces logistics. That's a real winner isn't it. Tax payers forking out billions of dollars to corporations to run empty trucks up & down highways to nowhere just to make a profit. Nice work if you can get it.
Preserving a country's history, great accomplishments, and culture, far outstrips your "best uses" doctrine. Money and private use, is not always the best course.
>Preserving a country's history, great accomplishments, and culture, far outstrips your "best uses" doctrine.
If you really believed that then you'd have no problem letting a monument go into private hands, where the private group most capable of protecting and maintaining the monument would get hold of it, as it should be. You can even donate to this group to help protect your treasured monument.
But, you don't really believe it. You fear the monument isn't as treasured by the people as you think it ought to be. You think they might find other uses for it. So you simply want to force your subjective values down other people's throats, and then coerce them into paying for it. Why work for some goal you want, when you can simply steal from others?
If so, how is the US explained as it was built through sheer denial of property rights?
US citizens can thank their government for protecting them from totally screwed world views. Just as kids who are free to believe in fairy tales because their parents pamper them.
Privatization means, they buy up as many of the essential resources, water, roads, fuel pipelines, airports and also anything that is already producing income, like casino's, resorts, Islands, shipping, etc. for pennies on the dollar and whatever money you get for them goes back to them to pay for past illegitimate, immoral and odious debts that they tricked you into signing on to several years ago. Plus the interest and penalties incurred while screwing you.
So your means of producing revenue is severely restricted, and they overcharge you for the essentials that they now control and you are further screwed as you try to extricate yourself from the situation.
Now the situation gets worse, it's like a plane trying to pull out of a dive, but is unable to because the wings can't take the g-force, break away, and you crash and burn to death.
Other than that, privitazation is fine.
Just like the USA, except they are in the Waffle house and Congress.
Blankfein V. The People
mmmm...who usually wins...The Bank or the little guy?
He mean to say Greece is so damn Cheap!!
turn greece into disneyworld. waterpark slides through the ruins, statues with mickey mouse hats on them. lololololol
I am thinking they could compete with ukranians in the escort service industry. Same price for your daughters, but greek girls have less HIV and hepatitis risk.
Hey Doode, privatization has not brought anything but looting, read some posts. It turns out bad every time
Hang Soros!
Did someone call me?
OK, so the Chinese global strategy is blatantly obvious by now. Spread communism in weakened social democratic states. You introduce communism, high speed rail, and the privatised (but not really) military is used to control resources....
Wait. We already have that. My bad.
Communists Have Taken Over The Acropolis!Communists have also taken over the White House!
Big Deal!
+++ Priceless
Give the man a gold foil "Hero of Capitalism Sticky Star" for his forehead.
Yea! They should take over that pile of debt, reinstate the Drakma and say bye bye Euro... LET THE SHTF !!!!
The easiest privatization would be the sale of all roads and sidewalks. Just imagine a monthly fee (toll) for the use of same. Issue a debit card and put fascist monitors at each end of a thoroughfare (and critical spots in between). Failure to pay = fines and jail. Already happening in Illinois (formerly public roads becoming toll roads).
>The easiest privatization would be the sale of all roads and sidewalks. Just imagine a monthly fee (toll) for the use of same.
That would be great. People who do not use those roads should not have to pay for them.
> Issue a debit card and put fascist monitors at each end of a thoroughfare (and critical spots in between).
Why would someone monitoring their private road be "fascist"? Is it also fascist when I enter a McDonalds and they have a security camera pointing at me?
>Failure to pay = fines and jail
I don't agree with the jail part but failing to pay for services enjoyed is essentially theft. Just like eating at a restaurant and then fleeing is theft. For people who don't pay and continue to trespass on the road, the obvious thing for the road owner to do is to forcibly seize the driver's vehicle and auction it off and deduct the costs owed to him.
The jail part is unarguable. Insolvent people have to be thrown in jails (or terminated) to extract wealth from them by charging society for protection.
That would be great. People who do not use those roads should not have to pay for them.
We already paid for the roads and sidewalks with our taxes. So for the benefit of the corporations we should pay daily and let them make a profit ? Why? You should be in politics you would fit right in. You could sell them at a discount then let corporations reap huge profits in return for payoffs, favors, future employment, ect... The corporations would have control of our public roads and sidewalks which most of us must use to get to our destinations.
>The easiest privatization would be the sale of all roads and sidewalks. Just imagine a monthly fee (toll) for the use of same.
That would be great. People who do not use those roads should not have to pay for them.
Also, look at the Internet and how companies like Amazon and Newegg compete vigorously with one another to provide cheap, safe, and trusted services - all simply to please the customer. Now imagine how safe and cheap roads would be if they weren't Soviet-style roads run by a monopoly government provider - but rather by entrepeneurs competing to please the customer. Imagine how many needless deaths would be prevented.
> Issue a debit card and put fascist monitors at each end of a thoroughfare (and critical spots in between).
Why would someone monitoring their private road be "fascist"? Is it also fascist when I enter a McDonalds and they have a security camera pointing at me?
>Failure to pay = fines and jail
I don't agree with the jail part but failing to pay for services enjoyed is essentially theft. Just like eating at a restaurant and then fleeing is theft. For people who don't pay for a very long time and continue to trespass on the roads, the just and obvious last resort for the road owner is to forcibly seize the driver's vehicle and auction it off and deduct the costs owed to him (road usage plus enforcement costs).
Acula I have seen a movie about this before. I can't remember what the title was? King gets a new friend. Townspeople find their previously free roads now have tolls, exacted by an alien people who didn't build the roads (or anything). What was that movie?
It would be really cool for other groups, not just the communists, to join TOGETHER in the protest.
Unity as Greeks, not as a group identified by their politics.
I have no doubt that all Grecian citizens (well maybe except for the elitists, who only want to stay in power) want a better life for their children and their country. They just do not know how to get there and disagree on the approach.
Nothing will change until bullets penetrate skulls. That's just the way it is. It's the only thing bankers would fear.
Enough skull to suddenly appear with an aperture about the size of .45 and a lot of what's wrong in the world would suddenly disappear with them.
the NWO will crumble into the dustbin of history now that we have the Sino-Greco Axis
This is one time I'm rooting for the Commies. Go you Commie Rat Bastards! Go! The last time I wanted them to win was the Battle of Stalingrad and the Eastern Front.
If the Greeks have plenty of privatization potential -- Fine! -- when they default, they can be the ones to restructure a new economic model around it on their own terms. They'll still be around, the EU won't.
What strange bedfellows these interesting times make.
Those f*king Greek lazies should be walking in American shoes at least.. Retire at 65 Y.O, work 50+ hours a week and have 1-2 weeks paid vacation + few sick days. Bill those M* f*ers for everything, NO free medicine or education. Tight those bitchez up, so they have no air to breath.. They well deserve it.. Work, bitchez, work and pay Taxes!!!
No free lunch for you, m* f*kers!
gReeks make me laugh. They are fighting the communists, while claiming they are communist. Do they not realize thier shitpipe dreams include no production high taxes and a crippling police force? Carry on gReeks. I laugh and laugh. Your communist EU brethern are confused and sad. I am amused.
+10. I might laugh if America wasn't just as screwed. And just as full of nation-wrecking pond scum.
If you notice in the photo a piece of the Acropolis suspended by the crane, check Ebay in about 2 hours so you can bid on it.
Gringos: do not be despairing...
by some portentous momentary dsylexia I read the headline here as Columnists Take Over the Acropolis...
I believe some kind of lurking truth has been revealed. The media, which feeds upon itself, churns up plankton to create the necessary links in the food chain by which it can ultimately be regenerated for another day of excretions.
At this point, there is no news no more. Only a recycling of bait through the compression chamber. Eat or be eaten!
http://www.thecheckoutgirl.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/soylent_green-...
I don't think that's a fair statement at all. If the Greeks start to kill/arrest their politicians and overthrow their government they do have a real chance of ousting these scumbags.
I knew that the Greek National Guard dress like clowns but now Greece is a real joke. Poor people of Greece...
http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/Proedriki.jpg/...
The dude on the right looks a bit formidable, the shoe pom-poms not so much.
Crocs is trying to make a comeback. Doesn't look successful to me, but I'm not a fashion freak so what do I know?
Great. The bankers have gotten so bad I'm rooting for the communists. Sheesh.
They are one in the same. One set of genocidal one-world pushing control freaks vs another. I'd prefer they started eating eachother.
On one hand, I'd really like the Greeks to stick it to the banks and just default. On the other hand, I'd really like the banks to stick it to the lazy, tax-evading Greeks. So in the end I decided to just sit back and enjoy the circus. I think both will be fucked, which would be justice.
More entertaining than network tv for sure.
This is the pushback that I predicted: "austerity" is nothing more than the banksters saying :"we want you people to pay for this".
As I've said all along: they Will bail out Greece. Period. The only question is can they palm off some of the bill off the ECB and onto the Greek people?
Stark as in Tony Stark?
yawn....another banner
It is kinda funny.
In essence by demanding a no vote the communists support a balanced budget ( greece living within its means)
How hysterical can you get! Communists as tea party?
When I read the headline I thought the Chinese had taken it over, I forget the reason the Greek's are in so much trouble is because of their communistic leanings.
How is it that China has enough money to bail out the rest of the world when the rest of the world is broke?
I demand a recount. I'm with the communist bitchez!!!
Is this me???????
Off topic but of interest to me, msn and yahoo have stopped publishing my comments in which I label the federal government a criminal organization.
"something wicked this way comes"......fuck 'em.
Why criminal?
Don't worry, bitchez, there is always Welfare! :)))
Something is UP, I think Bernank already printing QE3..
Go, Benny, go!!!!
Laugh at the Greeks all you want but they will keep fighting against the oligarchs and the bankstas: what happens in Greece will not stay in Greece!
bullshit.
what certain people want to happen in Greece, will happen in Greece and everywhere else these certain people want that to happen.
exactly
Hear Hear aeriel view!!!Bravo!!!!
"Peoples" are "stupids"
Who is paying the efforts of these "communists"?
Ah, I love a good "organised" spectacle paid for by the financial cabal holding the short end of the stick... or should we say.. short end of the bet?
for every trick in Blankfein Xerxes's war book, the Greek's have infinite wisdom and power to outsmart and win...temples torn down do not take away anything...the power of the Greek's is in their indomitable spirit!
http://www.artemisagrotera.org/en/actions.asp
Wait, hasn't Greece been communist for like decades at least?
The Euro - Privatizing national resources for foreign elitists since 1999
I remember the EMU malinvestment thingy back in 1995 / 96 - there was a stench of corruption about as private credit flooded into the Irish economy.
The Spivs and bottom feeders began to rise to the top of the pond blocking out the light and killing organic business photosynthesis and civilised culture.
The Blackness got blacker during those years as the Irish character got consumed by Greed - whatever magic remained in my country died back then.
Privatisation of utilties rapidly increased - this reduced goverment debt temporally as the banks filled the money hole with private credit and thus increasing leverage dramatically.
The ECB and indeed the EU has been at constant war against the European nation state since the beginning.
Communists are the best argument against Communism.
Let them reign.
In a year, without Western handouts, they'll rename it the Necropolis.
+666
So.......the the government is the friend and hero when it's doling the cash out, but now the government is the enemy for the 'peoples' to attack. Too bad people can't learn to take of their own shit and not be looking for someone else to do everything for them.
Glad to see that they are finally finishing that building in the background.
<quote>The citizenry will capitulate as they grow weary from fighting what appears to be an unwinnable contenst, and they'll return to work and slowly get every last drop of blood squeezed from them every day to service their PERPETUAL debt.</quote>
I fear that you are right.
I think the Greek traitors..err parliament will pass the austerity measures, parts of Athens will burn, and nothing will change.
The Greeks are fast coming to conclusion what is in store for their country if they allow this stuff to go on. They will be a third world nation for a long time if they allow the banks and offshore interest to take over their country essentially.