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The Complete Cost-Benefit Analysis Of QE2, And How To Best Hedge For Federal Reserve "Fat Tail" Risks

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At least Bank of America is honest as to why it continues to recommend investors pursue risk assets: "Liquidity-friendly global central bank policies remain the lynchpin of our constructive view on risk assets...Our economics team believes that QE2 will come in the form of purchases of Treasury securities of $500bn - $750bn every six months until the economy reaccelerates." In other words, this is precisely what Morgan Stanley's Jim Caron said on Friday when he confirmed that in this market nothing else matters, except what side of the bed Ben Bernanke wakes up on: "Investment decisions across many asset classes today are tantamount to an educated guess on what the Fed decides to do regarding QE. In the near-term this trumps fundamentals, valuations and almost everything else. Thus the risk in the market is man-made, not freely determined by the market. In general, this is not a good thing because it may invite greater risks in the future." To be sure, the market is now trading nothing less than QE news, but with that comes the added uncertainty of how the world's central banks will react to this latest dollar debasement episode: while QE1 was crucial and needed by the entire world to prevent the collapse of the system, things this time around are far less clear cut. Yet it is so difficult to fight the tape: as the attached chart demonstrates, for the duration of QE1 (3/5/2009 through 3/31/2010), global equities surged 80.5% while since April 2010, and without the benefit of the Fed's generosity, global equities have only generated 0.8% in returns. Furthermore, Jim Caron points out that unlike QE1, there is a very distinct possibility QE2 will fail miserably (all fans of buying what David Tepper is selling would be wise to be very weary). Luckily, just like in the Morgan Stanley case, BofA now highlights that there is a distinct possibility of "fat tail" risks and advises clients how best to position against these.

But first: here is why the "market" is nothing less than a euphemism for liquidity overflow actuions by the Federal Reserve now.

It is thus painfully obvious that there is nothing in the economy that drives stocks: all risk assets do is correlate with near unity to what the Fed is doing or will do in the immediate future. In other words, stocks no longer discount the natural growth of the economy, but are merely an excess-liquidity discounting mechanism.

BofA's Jeffrey Rosenberg agrees that only those who believe in a November QE2 event should be involved in stocks:

Fourth Quarter Investment Drivers

The key drivers of our constructive fourth quarter tactical asset allocation are:

  • Our expectation that both liquidity-friendly global central bank policies and the absence of deflation or a double-dip in the economy will encourage a cautious consensus to reduce cash
  • Low growth and low rates will cause liquidity to narrowly flow to assets that offer growth, yield, and quality, such as emerging markets. Stronger-than expected growth is required to broaden the rally in risk into areas such as the global financial stocks and the energy complex in commodities
  • Our continuing belief that while we favor risk assets, the probability of “tail risks” is higher-than-normal and recommend multiple hedging solutions

In the beginning there was QE…

Liquidity-friendly global central bank policies remain the lynchpin of our constructive view on risk assets. The impact of Quantitative Easing (QE), the central bank policy of purchasing financial assets, has been profound on asset price performance. Buying risk assets when the first QE program was announced on March 5, 2009 and selling risk assets when QE programs were ended on March 31, 2010, yielded handsome returns (Table 3). Industrial metals (+98%), equities (+81%) and high yield bonds (+73%) were big winners during this period.

…then the “Japanification” of rates…

In contrast, since the end of QE, asset price returns have been more modest (see Table 3) with the exception of the “fear” trade of precious metals (+18%) and the “safety” trade of government bonds (+9%). Between the end of QE in March 2010 and the eve of Bernanke's "proactive" speech (26 August 2010) 10-year yields declined 100bps in the US, UK, Australia & Germany (see Table 4). The collapse in interest rates towards Japanese levels was encouraged by stagnant summer markets in both US labor and housing as well as a deceleration in global lead indicators. The “Japanification” of interest rates in developed markets further reduced the incentive for investors to hold cash.

…and now “Growth at Any Price”

But since late August, the absence of deflation and data to support a double-dip, coupled with the new promises of fresh liquidity injections from the Fed and the Bank of Japan, has caused a melt-up in certain asset prices. Within equities, investors seem prepared to invest in “Growth at Any Price” as a wave of liquidity hits emerging markets (with the notable exception of China), creating a classic situation of "too much money is chasing too few goods". Stocks in India, Indonesia, Korea and Turkey have soared. Similarly, commodities such as sugar, corn, silver have also seen recent dramatic gains in price.

High liquidity, low growth

We believe policy will ensure that ample liquidity remains in the financial system and this will be supportive of asset prices. The sources of fresh liquidity are the Fed and the Bank of Japan. In the immediate future we believe liquidity is likely to be particularly supportive of assets that offer growth, yield, and quality, and our allocation is skewed towards emerging markets and spread products in fixed income. The 4Q risk trade should be aided and abetted by upgrades to Chinese growth, one reason to raise commodity weightings. Stronger-than-expected data on US labor and housing markets is required to broaden the rally in risk into areas such as the global financial stocks and the energy complex in commodities.

The Fed promises more liquidity

Central banks want inflation and we believe the Fed has both the will and the ammunition to step up to the plate if the data begins to threaten deflation. We expect that the Fed will announce a new program of Quantitative Easing if the economic fundamentals deteriorate further over the next three months. Our economics team believes that QE2 will come in the form of purchases of Treasury securities of $500bn - $750bn every six months until the economy reaccelerates.

These purchases would not only keep the Fed balance sheet steadily growing, but would likely provide a “shock and awe” catalyst for financial markets. The implicit promise of QE2 has clearly caused investors to close short positions in September and may eventually mean that QE2 is not necessary after all.

The Bank of Japan has added liquidity

Meanwhile the August “crash” in the JGB market caused a surge in the Japanese yen, ultimately forcing the Bank of Japan to intervene in currency markets for the first time since 2004. The intervention was unsterilized and if sustained will cause Japan to finally expand their balance sheet in line with recent Fed and ECB actions (Chart 5). Note Japan has intervened to buy US dollars on three occasions over the past 20 years (‘94-‘95 ¥9trillion; ‘99-‘00 ¥10trillion; ‘03-‘04 ¥35 trillion) and on all three occasions, the Japanese successfully widened rate differentials and weakened the yen (though in 2002-2004 it took time to work).

Yet even wild-eyed optimists such as David Tepper who are betting the ranch (or at least giving those that will buy Tepper's stocks and bonds that impression) that QE will be a resounding QE1-like success will have the be careful: as Jim Caron follows up his Friday observations, there is no guarantee at all that doing "more of the same" will either help the economy (for a change), or have the same impact on risk assets.

QE2 May Not Be a Panacea

However, it is not a foregone conclusion that QE2 is either necessary or effective for the following reasons:

QE2 will not necessarily lead to higher growth: Purchases of private sector assets or government bonds (Greece) can be useful when markets malfunction. However, when they result in sub-equilibrium levels of risk-free yields and/or artificially depressed risk premia on other assets, QE can result in further asset mispricing and misallocation of capital. The result could be another decade of poor quality economic growth, both in the US (zombie companies are allowed to survive) and globally (EM boom-bust bubbles);


Corporate and household borrowing costs are already appropriately low: Partly due to past QE measures, Treasury yields and 30y mortgage rates are already near historical lows in both nominal and real terms – see Exhibit 1, which shows 30y mortgage rates deflated by year-on-year changes in personal incomes and the core PCE deflator. QE(2) cannot by itself resolve the various factors – e.g., capacity, legal constraints or poor credit profiles − which have hampered a reduction in effective levels of mortgage rates paid due to a lack of mortgage refinancing options. Likewise, real corporate borrowing costs are not onerously high in either nominal or real terms (see Exhibit 2);

Deflation risks are modest: Although low levels of core CPI have raised Japanese-style debt deflation concerns, recent IMF research1 suggests that while economies with significant negative output gaps tend to post similar percentage declines in inflation (disinflation), outright declines in prices (deflation) – such as experienced in Japan − are very rare due to stickiness of prices and wages (see Exhibit 3).


Recent year-on-year increases in producer prices of finished goods, of core PCE and GDP deflators and signs of increases in rents and owner-equivalent rents also suggest a pick-up in core CPI in coming months, as also expected by Morgan Stanley economics (see Exhibits 4 and 5); and

QE imposes a carry tax on the banking system: As a result of Fed purchases, higher-yielding, low-risk Treasuries and mortgages on deposit bank balance sheets have been replaced by US$1,991 billion of current account balances of banks with the Fed remunerated at only 0.15%. Besides depriving deposit banks of higher yielding risk-free assets, this has imposed a tax on the banking system, making it more difficult for the banks to boost their capital ratios. In turn, we believe that QE could actually impede, rather than stimulate bank lending, which – besides credit issues – is hampered by a shortage of bank capital instead of bank liquidity.

Caron's daming conclusion is that the best the Fed may hope for is to retain the status quo rather than to generate any incremental improvement in assorted financial indicators, let along the economy. If correct, this is a sad summation, as it means that soon the Fed will be forced to intervene more and more often merely to preserve existing gains in risk assets, instead of achieving any new headway in the road to Dow 36,000.

Perhaps the best the Fed could hope to achieve is to cap any potential rise in US Treasury yields and/or realised Treasury volatility through additional purchases of US Treasuries in the event of significant further USD weakness. Certainly, the Fed’s QE measures already appear to have their desired effects in healing US/global credit markets. By contrast, a resumption of bank lending and/or a reduction in effective mortgage rates paid by households are more likely to be driven by a resolution of various structural factors (household/corporate deleveraging, easing of mortgage origination/refinancing constraints, etc.) than by additional QE measures.

And if there is one chart Mr. Tepper should look at, it is the following:

So should investors sit paralyzed at this point, now that QE2 is not the definitive catalyst for a surge in stocks that Tepper expects? Not at all - in fact it may be time to go all Taleb on Bernanke's ass. Here are the best ways to hedge risk according to Bank of America, along the 6 key verticals of the unknown which are summarized as: 1) negative growth shock, 2) positive G7 growth shock, 3) risk shock, 4) G7 deflation, 5) inflation, and surprised #6 being no surprise.

1) Cross-asset correlations remain high: use it to your advantage. Substituting another asset class as a hedge may be helpful, as we remain in a riskon/ risk-off world (Chart 13). For example, between April and June the Australian dollar fell almost as much as the S&P 500 despite put options being much cheaper.


2) Finding good hedges is easier than figuring out what will go wrong. Successful hedging involves identifying assets that predictably react to the most number of risk-off events. Equities, industrial commodities, credit and certain FX crosses have been consistently reacting to risk-off events. Hedging with rates may be more appropriate for specific tail risks.

3) The cheapest crash hedges remain in Asian equities and FX such as AUD. Chart 14 illustrates the relative cost of hedging with  out-of-the money puts on various assets vs. hedging with a S&P 500 put. Assuming a market decline back to 2008 lows, NIFTY, TWSE, HSI and HSCEI provide similar protection to S&P but at much lower costs (NIFTY is 56% of the cost for the same level of protection). Australian dollar puts offer crash protection at 80% of the cost. Most of these hedges also performed well during the sell-off in April/May this year when the S&P 500 fell 14% as they delivered greater protection at lower cost (For further details on how our favorite tail hedges performed during the risk-off events of 2010, see “Global Equity Derivatives Insights”, 21 September 2010.).

4) Sell expensive tail protection, and exchange for cheap. With tail hedging growing in popularity some obvious tail hedges such out of the money Eurostoxx 50 and S&P 500 options are still historically very expensive. Selling this protection through put spreads captures this premium to reduce the cost of hedging against modest declines. Cheaper tail protection can then be purchased elsewhere such as in AUD or Asian equity markets.

5) Hedging with credit remains expensive vs. hedging with equity options. With equity volatility normalizing faster than credit spreads, hedging with equity options is cheaper than buying protection on major credit indices. Option hedging also benefits from total hedge costs being known up front, versus credit hedging where hedge costs increase as spreads tighten (We are not considering credit options, as we believe they are even more expensive than hedging with credit).

Table 5 compares the cost of buying a one-year put option on the S&P 500 and Eurostoxx 50 to buying protection on major US and European credit indices. The hedge ratios are determined to provide the same protection if both credit and equities re-traced to their stress levels of 2008/09. Buying protection on U.S. HY credit appears the most attractive credit hedge, as it costs 67% of a 1 year at-themoney S&P put. However, we believe HY would only widen to ‘09 crisis lows in a major Sovereign scare, and would be less stressed in most other risk-off events, reducing the value of credit as a hedge. Also, our 1 year forecast for HY spreads of 440bps would increase the cost of a HY hedge beyond that of an S&P put.

6) VIX puts still a good way to pay for hedges if nothing bad happens. With shorter-dated equity volatility falling faster than other asset classes, the term-structure of S&P volatility is again approaching its steepest levels in 20 years. This allows puts on the VIX to roll down the term structure and provide a positive pay-out is nothing bad happens. The profits from these trades can then be used to fund other hedges that expired worthless and can be an effective way to reduce the overall cost of a hedging plan. The most efficient implementation is through VIX put spreads currently, rather than outright puts.

It is without doubt that QE2 will shape the face of risk assets over the next two years. And all those who naively have bought stocks in anticipation of a Tepper-endorsed outcome of a stock surge, may be wise to recognize that not only is there a distinct possibility that the Appaloosa founder is not only wrong, but currently on the other side of the trade. To all these, we highly recommend applying a basket of fat tail protection trades as suggested above. After all, the prevailing groupthink is that the Fed will succeed now as it always has (compare last week's CFTC COT data to see just how little debate there is on the topic). Should the crowd be proven wrong once again, as always eventually happens, watch out below.




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Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:07 | 622569 Mercury
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Our economics team believes that QE2 will come in the form of purchases of Treasury securities of $500bn - $750bn every six months until the economy reaccelerates.

Don't hold your breath...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:13 | 622581 kaiserhoff
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And when the fed owns 500% of the outstanding treasuries (through repo agreements and other creative accounting), then what?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:55 | 622902 egdeh orez
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So how does a retail investor buy puts on HSI?

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 10:31 | 623740 kaiserhoff
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Not something I have done, but any of the full service brokers could do the trade for you.  The trouble with trading options in a retail account is two fold.  You have to find a broker who understands options and a competent margin desk, especially if you are doing spreads.

                                                      Happy Trails

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:33 | 622686 B9K9
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I'm going to take a page from Johnny Bravo and declare that I will eat one US dollar if QE is implemented to any meaningful degree before the 112th Congress is seated in Jan 2011.

We are nearing a critical inflection point; Bernanke knows the cause is lost, yet he is still hoping for some kind of miracle. What he will not do, nor would anyone conditioned by a corresponding level of power & authority, is to make a unilateral move of this magnitude without sufficient cover.

It really is all over - people need to finally accept this and begin to prepare for what happens next. The initial bail-outs were designed to facilitate the transition from MBS to Treasuries and (excess) reserves for certain favored parties. Subsequent dollar destruction (hyper-inflation) serves absolutely no purpose to further these objectives. IOW, the power-elite think they are safe as long as the dollar survives.

(I grant small-scale QE served to pump equity prices, but that was a last ditch attempt to trigger animal spirits and reinvigorate organic credit growth. Who amongst the elite actually have their primary wealth remaining in these instruments? Could anyone get out at any significant volume? Of course not.)

So, we have a very natural human instinct not to make any rash/risky moves, especially without adequate support in a period of imminent, and potentially massive, political change, combined with the fact that the most powerful groups in the world are safely ensconced in their investment vehicle of choice. (With gold as added insurance.)

Now tell me again what Bernanke is going to do? QE you say? LOL - we topped and it's all downhill from here on out as the ride accelerates down the deflationary slope. As the next Congress of idiots are going to find out, hyper-inflation will come not from printing, but from the realization that the US is completely insolvent & the debt(s) can never (and will never) be paid. So they will have to start bailing and quick - the list below provides a brief synopsis of the repudiation order that will be coming next:

  • Unfunded mandates
  • Unsustainable entitlements
  • Un-payable debt

Now, what it's gonna be like in this kind of environment? Sure you still want to be around?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:34 | 622818 Shameful
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I fail to see why the dollar being saved would benefit them at this juncture.  Seems to me that a wave of outright purchases with freshly printed dollars would help them just fine, a glorious round of looting before the bomb goes off.  The dollar is doomed anyway as is the US, the math does not lie.  Why would they not steal the march on that fact?  Now an argument can be made that they would lose their fiat money monopoly, but that is unlikely.  What is more likely is that another faith based currency would step up in it's place, either emanating from the smoking wreck of the US or the IMF, or using an existing one.

Though I can see not announcing it.  Printed money spends like real money the first time.  There is little to prevent them from loading up on real assets with printed money at this point.


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:36 | 622882 kaiserhoff
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Printed money spends like real money the first time...little to prevent them from loading up on real assets...

Wonderfully said, except that all assets turn to steaming wookie doo in government hands.

PS  No offence meant to our esteemed colleague, of similar nomenclature.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:21 | 622933 Kayman
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Printed money spends like real money the first time.  There is little to prevent them from loading up on real assets with printed money at this point.


Shameful - am I in a time warp?  Isn't that what the crooks have been doing for 2 years ??


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:25 | 622942 Shameful
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2 years?  My number was about 97.  They have been using the monetary system to get real things without working for them for almost a century, why stop now?  I only point out that now that the big collapse is on us they will redouble their efforts to rob us.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:56 | 623020 Seer
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"Seems to me that a wave of outright purchases with freshly printed dollars would help them just fine, a glorious round of looting before the bomb goes off."

I'm not sure if you think that or whether you think that They think that...

As I've stated in the past, what the hell are they going to do with all the game pieces when no one else is going to play the game?  You want fucking maintenance headache McMansions, gas guzzling SUVs, big screen TVs that air nothing but shit, worthless dollars?  There's no future in any of this crap!  And this, friends, is exactly what's playing out, all the shit is being dumped.  But... NO ONE knows how to proceed in the future, because, well, because everyone played as though the game would go on forever- TPTB, those that tell us that they are "guiding" us, have been, like the folks at the SEC, asleep at the wheel (watching porn).

Slowly, everyone will turn away from this collapsing hulk we call an "economy."

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:35 | 623156 Shameful
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Bull, assets are assets.  And when they are effectively free who cares about upkeep if that is free to, and if it's not let them rot, or sell them back as scrap.  But you also miss what I mean by assets.  Land is always nice, or buying up companies.  Sure you might not put your hard earned money into them but when they are free would you turn down 50k shares of say Microsoft or Apple?  I doubt they are buying up lots of SUVs, but they could.  Why not it's FREE.

The game is radically different when one party basically gets free money.  Unless everyone decides to do without material things and we all ascend to become being of pure spirit and energy then I'm pretty sure free assets are a good deal for the person getting them.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:58 | 622911 minus dog
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"imminent, and potentially massive, political change"

Is this sort of like a sky-diver talking about "imminent ground-human juxtaposition attempts" or what?  

Governments, particularly local and city, are hooked on spending just like everyone else.  They can't screw everyone, but that doesn't help the first victims when they decide to try.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:03 | 623046 DoctoRx
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Perhaps BB not hoping for a miracle, just doing what the Street wants; which is more business, meaning more debt to buy/sell/bundle etc.; and even more to the core point, doing what Timmay demands, which is buyers for the unending debt he has to sell.  What the abstraction called "the economy" does from quarter to quarter may be of little fundamental importance to what his role really is. 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:02 | 622726 masterinchancery
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In other words, until the year 2050 or the year in which starving hordes sack DC, whichever comes first.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:49 | 622774 Hansel
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I read that to mean we are going to monetize the deficit in perpetuity.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:15 | 622928 carbonmutant
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Time to start sacrificing small animals...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:08 | 622571 Rusty Shorts
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Tragedy of the Commons

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:10 | 622578 Sqworl
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Even the Devil hates fixed games!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:15 | 622588 Shameful
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So I'm reading "Our team believes the Fed will buy 500bn - 750bn in Treasuries every six months until the full recognition of a currency crisis".

On the plus side to our elected criminals it means that they don't need to worry about funding.  Zimbabwe Ben stands ready, willing, and able to make all the funny money they can spend.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:54 | 622777 Hansel
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Exactly.  How would this plan be any different from what Reichsbank did?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:19 | 622590 Mercury
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The cheapest crash hedges remain in Asian equities and FX such as AUD.

Be interesting to see the positions in chart 14 expressed in terms of their recent corelation to the S&P 500 too.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:28 | 622607 MsCreant
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The link to the video is sick assed stuff listened to in this context. 

Ben- A bankster's tribute.

Ben, the two of us need look no more 
We both found what we were looking for 
With a friend to call my own 
I'll never be alone 
And you, my friend, will see 
You've got a friend in me 
(you've got a friend in me) 

Ben, you're always running here and there 
You feel you're not wanted anywhere 
If you ever look behind 
And don't like what you find 
There's one thing you should know 
You've got a place to go 
(you've got a place to go) 

I used to say "I" and "me" 
Now it's "us", now it's "we" 
I used to say "I" and "me" 
Now it's "us", now it's "we" 
Ben, most people would turn you away 
I don't listen to a word they say 
They don't see you as I do 
I wish they would try to 
I'm sure they'd think again 
If they had a friend like Ben 
(a friend) Like Ben 
(like Ben) Like Ben 

For the record, Ben is a RAT. No doubt with a FAT TAIL.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:48 | 622706 Miss Expectations
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That was the karaoke version...who's drunk enough to step up to the mike?


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:31 | 622617 DonutBoy
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It surprises me that BofA would publish this.  They are parties to the fraud, yet they have the honesty to call it what it is.  The implicit assumption in their projection is that so few people will read and understand it that the shell game can continue.  We are in the Wiley Coyote runs off the cliff scenario, we're OK until we look down.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:01 | 622648 sweet ebony diamond
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The Wile E. Coyote metaphor is priceless.

Ben is just not smart enough.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 15:55 | 622641 davidsmith
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"this is not a good thing because it may invite greater risks in the future"


I wish people would stop peddling this myth.  This is not monetization, it is liquidation.  This is not risk, it is the decline of economic activity.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:05 | 622728 masterinchancery
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Wrong; when one govt entity buys the bonds of another with money created out of thin air, it is by definition monetization.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:27 | 622947 Kayman
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Think you missed young David's point.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:02 | 622649 kaiserhoff
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Is this or is this not a sea change?  This stuff makes my head hurt, and I am agnostic at best about macro-econ, but I don't see any inflation coming out of this, in spite of Ben's wet dream.

He would love to give cash to anyone who will spend it, but Europe is on an austerity kick.  He won't get much help from Merkel, et al. 

He would love to give a new cadillac to anyone who votes for Obama, but a new congress will queer that deal.

If the money is borrowed, even at zero rates, that isn't the same as spent, at least it wasn't in the seventies.  Rates will stay lower than a snake's navel in a wagon rut, but if the fed owns the treasuries, they are not available for reserves elsewhere.  I'm betting there will be no massive bailout for the states, because there would be hell to pay, but that's a wild card.  So too are commodities.

Commodities look inflationary, probably a chimera.  Remember $145.00 oil?  Commodity games bring swift penalties.  Some damn fool ends up with $100 per bushel wheat.  Then the lesson is learned for six months.

I keep coming back to the same point.  Ben is in fail mode because he can stuff money into assets, but he can't effect spending.  That only looks worse going forward, meaning less stability, and probably, more deflation.  What am I missing? 


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:59 | 622755 Dismal Scientist
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The biflation idea remains the most likely to continue for now. Inflation in things you need (food, energy etc), deflation in things you own (especially if bought with leverage). The US will have to go for the austerity route now to have any hope at all, and we know that it is a) too late for that anyway and b) impossible politically for a sitting Democrat president advised by rabid Keynesian money printers.


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:29 | 622814 kaiserhoff
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Well said, and of course, dropping wages unless you work for the government, and bad joke interest on savings.  This site is often criticized for being too negative.  As compared to what?  A complete reset due to depression or hyper-inflation looks better than this slow bleed out of all things decent and productive.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:02 | 622916 gwar5
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Yep. Biflation -- I like that one. Is that different than stagflation? I look at other countries that have gone through such things. Essential imports like oil skyrocket while local and domestic items don't, but no one can pay for the local items after they fill up the car. The oil thing is going to kill us.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:22 | 623117 Seer
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"but no one can pay for the local items after they fill up the car."

Exactly!  This is the kind of thinking that's missing.  It's as I'd long ago said, the concern isn't peak oil, it's peak oil export: I only ever ran into ONE person out in publication land that understood this!

Further, add in a reversal of "economies of scale" and one can clearly see that this has nowhere to go but down.  Deflation tends to kill the rich (who are saddled with tons of expensive worthless crap), and there's no way that Ben can rescue them.  They all thought he would drop money, that this was guaranteed to correct things, but clearly not so...

No one bothered to ask the most important question: can this System operate with NO/Negative growth?  Because, clearly we could not (ever) have perpetual growth on a finite planet.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:03 | 622650 Conrad Murray
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Table 3 makes me want to dive further into my bottle of rum.  This is a sad, sick joke of a world we live in.

For anyone that didn't catch the big support Barry rally in D.C. this weekend, here is a video you must see:

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:26 | 622743 Invisible Hand
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Those of us that risked our lives (small risk for me, not so small for others) to win the Cold War are proud and pleased to see how what the victory has led to. 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:29 | 622751 Anton LaVey
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True (and proud) socialists don't even support Obama anymore. That video was one the worst example of cherry-picking I have seen in a while...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:47 | 622893 gwar5
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70 democratic members of congress are members of the Socialist Party of America. This rally was also heartily attended by the Comunist Party of America, marxist pink ladies, amnesty for illegal communists, and every other crackpot group known to mankind. The Communist Party of America also advertised on Obama's "Organizing for America" website calling for people to show up as a sign of support and power.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:24 | 623131 Seer
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What?  No mention of the party of fascists?  The pro-slave group?

You party/ideological morons get so fucking tiring...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:37 | 623282 RockyRacoon
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They have to hate something and are easily swayed by the political games.

Easy to play but impossible to win.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:35 | 622955 Kayman
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Uh... scuze me Senior Trotsky, but  a fellow socialist has come to visit.... 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:04 | 622651 DonS
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In other words, this is precisely what Morgan Stanley's Jim Caron said on Fridaywhen he confirmed that in this market nothing else matters, except what side of the bed Ben Bernanke wakes up on: "Investment decisions across many asset classes today are tantamount to an educated guess on what the Fed decides to do regarding QE. 

What a sad state of affairs. Really. Their was a time when sector and stock analysis used to mean something; when stock pickers and analysts used to try to put all of their best ideas forward and pick the next winners. I remember alayzing balance sheets and cash flows and industry trends and the old green chart books which came out once a week, looking for the breakout stocks. That shit was fun and rewarding. Now, i just trade on 2 minute time intervals, having to think like a robot does to scalp 20 cents when I can 2x a day.

There was a time when people and market makers and specialists and investors and entrepreneur ment something. Where they contributed. Where the industry produced new people to get into the game and wanted to excel at it. To do good and the right thing. 

NYC was so great!

There was an article written in 2003 or 2004 in either Fortune or Money Magazine. It was fictional and it talked about the transparency that was to come in the market and how ultimately we all would get the same returns, how nothing was real, how no individual stocks and no individual companies would prosper on their own, and how it all moved together as one, up and down. How the market was static and fixed and how the original purpose of capitalism, of the markets, would be compromised. How individual stock picking would be and has been morphed into something unintended.

I wish someone could find this article and post it. I tried Google it and cant find it. It would be so timely today. There are no more markets and It is not even a casino, I dont know what it is.


Look at the floor today at the NYSE, its vacant. Its boring looking.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:29 | 623146 Seer
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Computers run the game now.  These people have been out of jobs for a long time now.  They too ar ebeing propped up by the System/TPTB to cheerlead for the System run by computers.  Hm... seems that we were warned about this a long time ago...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:12 | 622664 jm
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@ DonS... amen.


“Our economics team believes that QE2 will come in the form of purchases of Treasury securities of $500bn - $750bn every six months until the economy reaccelerates.”


Does it come down to this?  Providing opinions on what some team thinks some other team will do at some unknown point in the future?


“…recent IMF research suggests that while economies with significant negative output gaps tend to post similar percentage declines in inflation (disinflation), outright declines in prices (deflation) – such as experienced in Japan − are very rare due to stickiness of prices and wages”


Stickiness of wages? U6 = 16%.  And accelerating numbers of people dropping off welfare…  


“the probability of 'tail risks' is higher-than-normal and recommend multiple hedging solutions.”


People spend more time worrying about tail risks than trying to get the center (FAR more likely to occur) right.  If you are really going into stocks because of what someone thinks that someone else will do, the best thing is a stop-loss or a conservative VaR.  Why not just spend time pick a few names that can generate superior returns and buy the bond (if they have debt) AND the stock?


“Sell expensive tail protection, and exchange for cheap.” 

This is how you blow up, not how you hedge.  You are supposed to build a hedge book that generates some basis points, and then sell VIX just in case your hedge isn’t needed? Am I missing something here?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:24 | 622679 frankTHE COIN
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Once you're born a dog you cant die a cat. This bitch is gonna crash.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:27 | 622681 mynhair
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QE2 = capital flight = guaranteed 'double dip'.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:37 | 622885 gwar5
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Yep. Firsters left in 2008 with the new regime. We all live in a Latin Banana Repuublic now. I think the Fed foresaw this 2-3 years ago and was closing off access to foreign bank accounts per expectations

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 04:27 | 623470 merehuman
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Dollar terminator, future killer tonite channel 7! 6 oclock watch burnankey fly

free toasters!   The end is near, save your ends!  Nothing makes sense, flow with it..ride the tsunamy   29.95 w/ coupon

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:49 | 622712 TheGreatPonzi
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The cause is lost and the FED knows it since the beginning. I don't know what they're wanting right now. I don't think they hope for a miracle. Bernie may be dishonest, but he's not stupid.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:27 | 622745 Anton LaVey
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As Albert Einstein used to say: "There are only two things that are really infinite: the Universe and human stupidity. And I am not so sure about the Universe".

Food for thought. Make of that what you will.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:40 | 623288 RockyRacoon
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They are not quite looting the Treasury yet.  There is still a little life left in the old girl.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:25 | 622741 wawawa
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what is ""fat tail risks" ?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:39 | 622761 Implicit simplicit
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Economists try and apply the bell curve to their pseudo-science to "guess" the pobability or risk/reward of events and/or trades. However, the economy and stock market are full of extremistan events that warp the bell curve at the low end tails, and cause a bulge in the low probability section of the curve. Hence the name- fat tail risks. Nobody expects or plans for these but they have a dramatic effect on the stock market and economy e.g- CDS blow-up, 9/11, the invention of the wheel or computer chip, etc... 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:27 | 622746 hamster wheel
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We've been watching all this unfold before our eyes for a few years now, and more or less understand how this is probably going to end.  But at times I still have difficulty believing what is going on right in front of me.  It is just so stark.   

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:28 | 622748 Implicit simplicit
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When traders first analysed QE1, they didn't know if the stimulus would work, but they knew it would create liquidity for the banks; they jumped on the bandwagon with the banks.

This time they know that QE1 didn't work, and therefore it is likely to have the same non-effect on the real economy.

The all in follow up trade rarely works because too many are looking for it. It must have the early-in traders from QE1 questioning the risk-reward this time.

Expect volataility with nevous buyers with tight stops the HFTs can capitalise on. The trade is simply too obvious, and lacks fundamental substance, especially this time.


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:06 | 622793 eddybaby
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Well Put.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:26 | 623214 t0mmyBerg
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Not only is it too obvious, but it is starting with indexes at a much higher level, having already run up in anticipation, with the credibility of the administration and the Fed finally in the gutter where it belonged all along, and there will be no concomitant elimination of the FASB mark-to-market rule, which I would submit was more important than QE1 in picking the market up off the floor in March 2009 (<sarcasm>or wait, was it el Presidente saying that now is a good time to buy stocks that did it?</sarcasm>).  Add in the fact that we were on the downside of mortgage resets in March 2009 whereas right now we are climbing a new hill of them.  There may be a bump, but whereas it has been always wrong to fight the fed in the past, the time has come when fading the fed may be appropriate.  The next round presents a question of timing, but probably not outcome.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:47 | 622771 tom
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Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:31 | 622875 gwar5
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LOL, thanks that made my day!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 17:42 | 622765 tom
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This is the most important paragraph I found out of all of the above, despite a couple number errors in the first sentence, and a lame effort to portray the banks as victims.

"As a result of Fed purchases, higher-yielding, low-risk Treasuries and mortgages on deposit bank balance sheets have been replaced by US$1,991 billion of current account balances of banks with the Fed remunerated at only 0.15%. Besides depriving deposit banks of higher yielding risk-free assets, this has imposed a tax on the banking system, making it more difficult for the banks to boost their capital ratios. In turn, we believe that QE could actually impede, rather than stimulate bank lending, which – besides credit issues – is hampered by a shortage of bank capital instead of bank liquidity."

There's closer to $1 trillion of excess reserves and they pay 0.25%. You'd think these guys get paid enough to know such details. And calling the unavailability of risk-free, high-yield assets a "tax on banks" is an asinine, ass-backwards way of looking at things that just shows the culture of assumed privilege these guys are living in.

But anyway the underlying point is very insightful: because of QE the quality assets on bank balance sheets mostly pay low interest, which is not enough to compensate for the (read between his lines) junk assets weighing down banks' capital ratios. With QE, the yields on quality assets will fall further, giving banks less compensation for the junk, and thus less capital, and thus less willingness to lend.

I bet this is what happened in Japan, given its big zombie banks and small alternative financiers.

I have to admit, it's a good argument against what I've been saying, which is that QE2 will be more inflationary than most people are expecting. But since it applies only to banks, and alternative financiers bring most of the liquidity to US markets, I think it's only a mitigating factor.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:32 | 622817 Implicit simplicit
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Is it possible the banks might hold onto more of the cash this time because of the rekindling of  mortgage foreclosure issues with the faulty paperwork and lack of clear titles?

Regardless, I would think reserves would need to be shored up in order to continue with foreclosures which will bring prices away from mark to market.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:07 | 622920 tom
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Well, basically what you're asking is: will the faulty mortgage paperwork crisis turn out to be as bad as September 2008? That seems a stretch to me.

I guess it could happen if the MBS pools are unable to enforce foreclosure, ever. That is, if this developed into a situation where absolutely anyone with an MBS-backed mortgage could stop payment and never be evicted, living rent free, probably at the federal government's expense. If a GSE or agency sponsored mortgage goes bust, the federal government is on the hook, the holder of the MBS does not see those losses.

I can't see federal courts ruling in such a way that would create such havoc for the federal government, which after all pays the federal courts' bills. It is a big mess and it will cause delays, some extra losses on private ABS or private insurance thereof, and a lot of extra public debt. But I don't see it generating a Lehman-class panic.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:42 | 622778 Yardfarmer
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BOA is a walking zombie, long dead save the infusion of Federal fiatscos last summer. QE accomplished nothing but the precious maintenance of the illusion of solvency for BOA and several other zombies as well. QE-accelerate the economy indeed. Press that pedal to the metal and flush some more trillions into a black hole of derivatives. We have reached economic entropy and all the charts, graphs and bull shit analysis from hell won't save BOA, CITI, or the USS Default from oblivion.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:07 | 622796 Peak Everything
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Would someone please explain to me why all the attention on QE2 when the fed is continuously monitizing via lending free money to the big banks and buying toxic assets? Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:46 | 622830 Shameful
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People are waiting for one specific trigger.  Like Zimbabwe Ben announcing "I'm going to print and I will not rest till the Dollar is at par with the Dong!".  Most people like big announcements, when most things are done quietly and with little fanfare.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:59 | 622832 kaiserhoff
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Not stupid at all.  We are all grasping and confused here.

Try this.  Lending at the window, QE 1-QE 16, matters very little.  Ben is pushing on a string.  There is no loan demand and his policies have failed.

What worries many of us are the unintended consequences of throwing a few trillion more dollars on the fire.  That's more or less what Bruce has focussed on in a couple of posts.  We are in uncharted water.

No one expects this to work, but that much liquidity has to go somewhere, like squeezing a balloon.  

Thanks for the question.  Good questions may yet lead to coherant answers, but probably not from Ben and Timmy.


Mon, 10/04/2010 - 02:14 | 623419 Assetman
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Very well put, indeed, keiserhoff.

Right no, this liquidity is essentially being trapped in the form of excess reserves, though some of it is actually making to the equity markets.

What I think could be interesting is how the dollar gets treated with any QE2 announcement.  I think this is akin to Lucy (the rest of the world) holding the football for Charlie Brown (U.S.) to kick. 

Now, most specators know that Lucy is likely going to react adversely and take that football away.  Charlie Brown, however, is ideogically committed to kick that ball as far as he can.

If you believe Lucy will take the football away, the USD will likely get buried, as global investors start to question Charlie Brown's sanity (or intelligence). 

If Charlie Brown is allowed to kick it again, there might be little near term damage, but some else may just take that kick and run it all the down our backsides.

I think the game is over.  But I also think that Ben Bernanke will play this game as long as possible.  Whether he is allow to will depend on whether faith will be maintained in USD terms.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 18:51 | 622835 MsCreant
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You did not ask me but here is the truth. They are already sticking money anywhere they feel like it. There is some order to it so that it leaves a trail and us trying to "guess" the mind of the Fed, and react, but it is all a distraction. WE ALL KEEP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS WHEN THERE IS NO SENSE TO BE MADE. THEY ARE DOING AS THEY PLEASE.  Back to your reasonable question. We are attending to it because we are falling for the distraction ploy. Nothing being published is the truth. Nothing. And it all is being done in the name of "security." It is insolvent, but worse than that, broken and logistically impossible to steer out of. We are in the land of the absurd, home of anomie.

I submit the current housing paperwork clusterfuck as evidence that it is logistically going to close in on us. THIS IS A LOGISTICAL COLLAPSE, IN OUR FACES, ON OUR BACKDOORSTEPS. Computing has sped things up to the point that the laws can't keep up with what is possible, and enforcement is difficult because no one can see the big picture any more. IT IS TOO COMPLEX.

Friend, we are fucked.


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:18 | 622858 kaiserhoff
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Speaking of the end of the world, how are things in Florida?  Lived there briefly a few years ago, and it's hard to think of Floridians as being depressed.  Any signs of hope?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:17 | 623105 MsCreant
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Nice of you to ask. I am, at heart, a Floridian, however I do not currently live there. I was born there, got my degrees there, have family there that I worry about. They are not optimistic, I have a distinct sense of folks battening down. Real estate is a disaster, property taxes are onerous, there are no jobs. My family is industrious and smart so I hope for the best for them. Meanwhile, I quietly plan for taking them in, if needed. I have others I figure I'll need to take in too. Got one now, she needs to come in, but we are letting her work it out for herself. I wouldn't want to live with us if I were a 20 something!!! We are so booooring.

I love Florida, the beach, the palms, the warm breezes, the sounds of the gulls and the riggings on the boats clacking against the masts. Hating on snowbirds! Us ignorant kids proclaiming, "go back home Yankees" not realizing they are feeding our economy. Florida was innocence for me. But when I flew in a couple years ago, it was frightening to see how over built it was. You can know, if you want to, things are not right.

And what of Kaiserhoffland?

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:14 | 623310 RockyRacoon
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I grew up as a kid in Melbourne.  Lived in Palm Bay and it was just a backwater area with a few homes and trailers with cabanas.  Little country store at the intersection at Hiway 1.  Fished off the piers and bridge on the Indian River.  Went to the St. Croix theater to watch the serials, cartoons, and a movie on Saturday afternoons.  A silver half dollar bought all that, a Coke, popcorn, and candy.  That was about 1958.  I don't want to go back and see what it looks like now.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 10:49 | 623777 MsCreant
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I loved Coco Beach, north of you. Quieter than Daytona, good place to sneak away and pretend you are an adult when you are a teen. Like you, I don't want to see what came of it. My peeps are in Boca, I was raised Tampa/St.Pete and got my Ph.D. from Gainesville.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 10:18 | 623711 kaiserhoff
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The Midatlantic is in a complete state of denial.  Everyone thinks his FHA tract house is worth 1.5 million, but wait, they added a nice deck and a bird feeder.  Make that 2 million.  Nothing is selling.  The banks are dead.

Saw a sign in front of a BB & T branch that said "we're still here".  Saturn was saying the same thing two weeks before GM finally pulled the plug.

Tough time to be young.  Rents are sky high, and there are no jobs, as in none!  The government hacks are still employed, but they know the fuse has been lit.   Every county has it's dead foundry and abandoned tobacco and dairy farms.  Really sad.  Everyone knows what doesn't work anymore, but what will work in the future?

Beautiful country though, especially this time of year in the Shenandoah Valley, the New River Valley, the Blue Ridge.  Maybe we can all live off venison and "medical" pot.  The place has a bootlegging tradition.


Mon, 10/04/2010 - 10:51 | 623780 MsCreant
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Venison and pot are not so bad! Cheers back at cha' and see you around the blog.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:04 | 623045 Hephasteus
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It's scary isn't it.

You got your husband and you got your wits.

Take care of yourself.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:19 | 623115 MsCreant
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You too Heph. I enjoy your quirky smartness here. You are at ease out of the box. You add a lot for me. 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:16 | 622929 Peak Everything
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Thanks to all of you for responding. I am certain this will end very badly. We are living beyond our means. Instead of reducing our expenditures to align with our means we are intentionally widening the gap. And to make matters worse our means will be declining soon due to peak oil.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:22 | 622938 tom
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The Fed stopped buying toxic assets and making large loans to commercial banks in 2009. It then unwound almost all the loans and used the money to buy MBS.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:55 | 623019 Kayman
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All of Ben's actions are logical and reasonable if viewed in the light of him providing a fighting retreat, by providing liquidity and time for the criminal elite.

Anyone want to bet on the timing of the last flight out of New York to Switzerland. Does anyone think the Bonuses went into the stock market instead of Gold (the real thing, no counter parties).

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:00 | 623030 Peak Everything
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I keep hearing about stealth monetization via free loans to banks that then buy UST. So this is not true?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 19:39 | 622887 non-anon
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and the beat goes on

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:02 | 623035 MsCreant
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Loddy, doddy, dee

Loddy, doddy, dah.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:13 | 622927 Pillage
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And all those who naively have bought stocks in anticipation of a Tepper-endorsed outcome of a stock surge, may be wise to recognize that not only is there a distinct possibility that the Appaloosa founder is not only wrong, but currently on the other side of the trade.


BULLSHIT, the market always goes up, damn anyone who thinks otherwise.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:22 | 622935 bugs_
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The monetizations will continue until morale improves.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:38 | 622962 JR
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The only way the country is going to be saved is to pull this authority to take the nation’s wealth to save insolvent banks and their failing system from them.  This is the Crisis; they are falling off the cliff and they are grabbing people to try and hold themselves.  These people are in crisis, screaming maniacs…  and they can’t get enough value—that’s what Mr Bean is about…  Someone who says QE1 was a great success is absurd—these people were bailed out by taking value from taxpayers.  Now they want more… Quite an attitude for those who represent a bank...

Hey,  I work for this money…

excerpts from AN INFLATIONARY COCKTAIL IN THE MAKING by Richard Benson, :

…Below are some Commodity Price increases over the past year:

Commodity Price % Increases 

Year over Year 

Agricultural Raw Materials 24% 

Industrial Inputs Index 25% 

Metals Price Index 26% 

Coffee 45% 

Barley 32% 

Oranges 35% 

Beef 23% 

Pork 68% 

Salmon 30% 

Sugar 24% 

Wool 20% 

Cotton 40% 

Palm Oil 26% 

Hides 25% 

Rubber 62% 

Iron Ore 103% 

Yep, looking at key raw material prices compared to last year, the recession is over. These prices are getting loaded into the system now and will flow through to the consumer in higher prices to come at the supermarket and elsewhere.

But it’s not just raw materials soaring; it’s everything. One example is my health insurance bill that came with the usual 20 percent annual increase. With Obamacare starting to take effect, insurance companies are rushing to push in price increases to cover expanded care and no caps on total payouts. Airline fares are already up 14 percent from last year, and if you plan to book a flight over the holidays, the rates have been jacked up to total price gouging levels.

Worst yet, for consumer prices, it actually looks like our government has made a conscious decision to throw the dollar under the bus and go for a 20 – 40 percent dollar devaluation against the Yuan to try and boost exports, limit imports, and create American jobs. Moreover, with higher wages and a higher currency, those 1.3 billion hungry Chinese will be better positioned to bid in the world for oil, wheat, and pork bellies. So, the likely trend for commodity demand will be up in a world where the Russian wheat crop failed, and the world’s coffee and cotton crops were duds.

As our government officials continue to scare us with a phony deflation scare, the Federal Reserve is geared up for QE II… Rising commodity prices, a rising Chinese currency, and a world money supply – growing at double digits in a world where output is hardly growing at all – are all the ingredients needed in a recipe for a very potent inflationary cocktail…

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:01 | 623034 Kayman
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Always glad to hear from you JR.  My other life allows limited time for Fight Club.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:16 | 623203 JR
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But when you do arrive, Kayman, you pack a powerful Fight Club punch!!!  Rocky Marciano has nothing on you. And Ring Magazine once measured Marciano's punch and found it to carry the same amount of energy needed to spot lift 1000 pounds 1 foot into the air!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:12 | 623090 DoctoRx
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Thanks, JR.  Marvelous summary . . .

The joke being that IEF and TLT have total returns about 9-10% as well.

"Something's got to give, something's got to give, something's got to give."

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:49 | 622964 Pillage
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Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:41 | 622968 Lady Heather...UNCLE
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sorry everyone to digress from the erudite analysis heretofore visited...a newbie checking login capabilities...."nothing to see here, everyone move on"

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:12 | 623083 Sisyphus
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Welcome aboard!

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:21 | 623325 RockyRacoon
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If you can spell heretofore and use erudite in a sentence you are welcome!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:44 | 622985 CombustibleAssets
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This is very True and the solution is very scary.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 20:59 | 623029 gwar5
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When a government is rapidly going broke, and is capable of printing it's own money, we know what happens. Everything else is a distraction. 

Financial wonks at BAC should have seen this coming by at least 2006-7 if they were just merely slow. People made billions betting short the sub-prime. Buffet publicly bailed on the USD in 2005 and on the bank re-insurance business, calling it a time bomb. Even supermodel Gisele Bundchen was saying in 2007 she no longer wanted to be paid in USD, for God's sake.

If BAC is just now waking up to market distortion contingencies and hedging to protect against destructive Fed policies then they are stupider than Jupiter. BAC took TARP $$ and immediately bought into a Chinese bank, so they're perhaps not hapless victims of the FED that their wimpering would suggest. 

Part of active Fed policy is talk. By scaring devaluation of currency it moves cash off the sidelines. If that doesn't work (it won't) they'll do QE II but will still talk it to death some more.

There's still no way to avoid going back to a little stone age. 

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:14 | 623101 ArkansasAngie
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So ... let me get this straight.  The Fed's going to print money and thisnewmoney is going to immediate migrate to the developing world.  It isn't going to stick around long enough to create jobs here.

How about we invest locally

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:34 | 623160 Hephasteus
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Cash for Crunkers would be a good program.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:32 | 623157 AgileArjuna
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Fire up the stove, there'll be plenty of dollars to keep us warm this winter.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:37 | 623161 fresbee
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Off topic but the position trader in me speaks out.

EUR/JPY hits 115 and is clearly broken through its upper channel. Huge upside potential 118,120 and 125 does not look impossble in a short time frame. EURO has been pummeling against the YEN even while yen was taking down the sterling and the dollar. Its an important pair as it is a proxy for the fear factor in the EU markets. Given traders are slowly jumping off the YEN into EURO is the markets way to observe that EURO gains are going to be massive in the coming months. And for starters, markets move many days ahead of the actual news so debt problems of EU are already priced in. 


Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:37 | 623163 fresbee
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This also has the potential to put a bottom for USD/JPY.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:37 | 623164 RobotTrader
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Funny how virtually every asset class except for energy is getting front-run by the PigMen expecting QE2.

Kospi hitting new highs tonight.

Bombay/Sensex at new highs.

Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Brazil on the verge of new highs.

Bond futures trading near new highs

Gold new highs

Softs on fire

Anything else?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:47 | 623234 RoRoTrader
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Why would that be Robot?.........all the frontrunning except energy?

And, what if Oil catches a big bid to a $ does that serve Bernanke?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:03 | 623249 Fast Twitch
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Or maybe QE +/- 2 has already come?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:50 | 623176 gousnavy
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Raw greed will cause the elites to engorge themselves at the trough until they burst. Like always, they will seek help and forgiveness which for the first time, won't be available.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:56 | 623181 Rusty Shorts
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U.S. issues "Europe travel Warning" ... nice.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:01 | 623188 Rusty Shorts
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EUROPE issues "U.S. travel Warning" ...  

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:13 | 623201 Hephasteus
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Warning. Internet Consortium issues travel alert for the following IP addresses. Click heels 3 times if you encounter suspcious behavior.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:06 | 623254 Rusty Shorts
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 - thanks Malaria !!

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:09 | 623257 Rusty Shorts
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 'uh, Hepatitis, thanks guy.

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 09:47 | 623678 Hephasteus
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Apologies if you felt attacked. 127 is home, local host local domain.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 21:59 | 623184 thegr8whorebabylon
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ok,  for retards, in summary, it's a race to the bottom for all currencies and gold is good in the inevitable hyperinflation coming soon.

(is canada in on that bet?)  pls advise.

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:04 | 623192 thegr8whorebabylon
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...retards like me!~

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:09 | 623198 RockyRacoon
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...soon the Fed will be forced to intervene more and more often merely to preserve existing gains in risk assets...

Anybody but me see a similarity to a junkie needing more and more to maintain?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:37 | 623225 fearsomepirate
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You realize that by "reaccelerates," they mean "explode into inflation," right?

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 22:51 | 623239 gwar5
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Fat tail = extreme event

Fat finger = HFT event

Fat toe = frozen chicken event

Fat ass = HF eating event

Fat bitch = divorce event

Fat lip = loudmouth event




Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:11 | 623258 Madhouse
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Everytime I here the term Shock and Awe, somebody is doing something stupid..

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:12 | 623261 Madhouse
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Fed's buying ?  Mmmm say the Chinese, we now sell...

Sun, 10/03/2010 - 23:14 | 623262 Madhouse
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B of A. Same guys that bot Countrywide. Sure, here are the keys to my retirement account. Don't go killing me now,,,

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 00:37 | 623343 Grand Supercycle
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Updated GOLD monthly chart:

Mon, 10/04/2010 - 03:30 | 623440 Highrev
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How stupid are these banks? Or should I say, how stupid do they think we are?

Australian dollar puts offer crash protection at 80% of the cost.

How nice. And just what does the Australian CB's balance sheet look like? Oh, so the AUD/USD might just continue going up in the face of further dollar debasement?

One fine hedge that one is! More like adding insult to injury.

Now returning you to our simpleton world where all correlations are fixed in stone (until after you lose your money and they tell you they're surprised that it changed).

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