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Complete List Of Which Countries Sold Weapons To Libya

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Wonder why nobody really cared about the Libyan regime until two weeks ago, when it suddenly became cool to hate on Muammar, especially by his former head of state "best friends"? Simple: weapon sales. While Libya was happily exporting oil, and using the proceeds to reinvest the money in the form of €62 billion or so of deposits in European (and apparently US) banks, bypassing Money-Laundering Provisions freely, it also used a fair portion of the proceeds to procure weapons. The amount, at just under €1 billion between 2005 and 2009 is not nominal, and certainly led to some very appreciated top and bottom line beats for a variety of arms makers. And while the data was not previously available, the Guardian now makes it public for the entire world to realize that while Italy relied on Libya for a great portion of its oil imports, it was also the biggest maker of Libyan weapons (which makes sense: the country needed to protect its investment) in 2009 and 2007, and was just behind France in 2008.

The total weapons exports by year is presented here:

And the full breakdown by year and country:

And some of the key highlights from Guardian:

  • The EU granted export licenses for €834.5m worth of arms exports in
    the first five years after the arms embargo was lifted in October 2004
  • 2009 is the highest amount ever: €343.7m
  • Italy is the top exporter, with €276.7m over the five years
  • The UK got off to a big start in 2005, with €58.9m of the €72.2m total. UK licenses over the five years are worth €119.35m
  • Malta saw some €79.7m of guns go through the Island en route to Libya in 2009 - apparently sold via an Italian company

We wonder when comparable data for the US will be made public?

Update: an amusing incident regarding Malta's weapon exports: it appears that fat fingers are not only involved when crashing the S&P.

From Malta Today: 'Typing error' by Maltese agent causes Malta embarrassment over arms exports to Libya

A ‘typing error’ in documentation submitted to the Maltese government
by a Maltese handling agent of Italian arms manufacturing firm that
exported weapons to Italy, has led to Malta being erroneously being put
into the spotlight by a European report that alleged €80 million, rather
than €8 million worth of weapons transited through Malta from Italy to
Libya in 2009.

Information Director Martin Bugelli claimed that contrary to what
many may have assumed, Malta had only issued a transit export licence to
weapons firm ‘Beretta’, and the arms were never physically in Malta.

In a letter to the The Times yesterday, Italian ambassador Luigi
Marras questioned government’s explanation and said that Italy had only
exported €8 million worth of small arms to Libya in November 2009.

Bugelli claimed that company’s local agent, WJ Parnis England, has
formally admitted it had made a “typing error on the documentation
submitted to the Maltese government.”

In an official letter, which the government received from the agents
earlier today and which it made public, the company admitted that an
“extra 0” had been inadvertently typed in.

MaltaToday is informed that shortly after knowing of the Italian
ambassadors official reply, an investigation was launched and the local
agents found the mistake.

A government spokesman argued that the whole issue was a “storm in a teacup.”


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Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:08 | 1012508 Rodent Freikorps
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Reagan wanted to kill him. Europe was outrageously outraged at the cowboy.

Europe should rot in hell.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:14 | 1012530 Sudden Debt
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Reagan was so demented he couldn't even remember his own name.

Bankers had full controll of the white house and took over ever since.





you can go to heaven with all the 80 year old virgins as a angel. (Angels have no dicks!)



Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:22 | 1012541 Rodent Freikorps
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Wow. What a typical EuroTrash response.

I had thought better of you.

Y'all need to pull your heads out your ass and realize the rest of the world does not love you simply because you fuck with the US.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1012562 Cash_is_Trash
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Sudden adores his caps lock hehe

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1012580 Sudden Debt
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If it's go a hole we'll fuck it! :)


I'm just messing with you RF, you're cool ;)


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:31 | 1012613 tmosley
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Don't blame him, he's Dutch!

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:55 | 1013158 camoes
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There are 2 things we at zerohedge hate: intolerance of other people's culture and the DUTCH!


Sorry, had to quote Goldfinger, I actually think the dutch are pretty cool and their country is awesome...and you guys gave Van Gogh and the Red Light District

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:20 | 1012557 Michael
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I hate Regan for what the puppet masters made him do, starting the mega deficit spending.

Stopping the war spending now will decimate what's left of the manufacturing sector in the US.

The only thing we manufacture here anymore is military weaponry.

How many jobs would be lost if we stopped military spending?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1012566 Rodent Freikorps
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Democrat controlled congress. Who controls the purse strings?

And he still won the cold war.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1012582 Michael
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It's better to have thousands of slaughtered American soldiers and tens of thousands of maimed soldiers then hurt profits of arms manufacturers.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:33 | 1012615 Rodent Freikorps
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Reagan had to rebuild the military after Dems nearly destroyed it. He did, but if you think he could without deal making with the commie/libs, you are crazy. He did what was necessary to keep you free. The fact that the Bush family betrayed him does not make him a lesser being. Bushes are Ivy League. Betrayal is in their nature.

And the most important point:

He fucking won the Cold War.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:52 | 1012703 Pants McPants
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Red Fascist ::  Reagan ::  Obama  :: Blue Fascist

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:59 | 1012728 Rodent Freikorps
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It was Bush the Elder and the Democrats who decided how to spend the Peace Dividend. Traitors all.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:11 | 1013423 zaknick
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You are extremely uninformed. You even suffer under Bush the elder's (& his bankster cohorts) propaganda. Let me tell you something: Reagan ran didley squat in the White House. It was made clear to him by Hinckley's bullet just who was in charge (Hinckley's brother was at Neil Bush's house that evening and the two families have known each other a long time).

I am telling you that Reagan was a nobody and had no hand in the critical themes that shaped this country in the eighties. Nothing whatsoever. All of it is a propaganda coup against sheeple like you who dont do their own due diligence on what the scum on TV spout at you.

I remember after Reagan beat the fascist scum Bush for the Rethuglican nomination, he was asked if Bush was to be his veep. Reagan roundly rejected the idea, at which point the actor was taken backstage and ingormed that indeed Bush was to be his veep. He came back out and confirmed the "rumor".

Also, the "cold war" you so highly tout was another mk-ultra strategy directed more at the American population than anything else. When the Berlin Wall fell, the C!A was still claiming the Soviets were a massive threat (MIC budget considerations).

The cold war, the drug war, the war on "terror", all fascist garbage designed to hurt you, the world while enriching these scumbags.

Hope I've given you a clue.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:57 | 1012722 ZakuKommander
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Yeah, the Chinese and Russians have left the world stage.  LOL.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:11 | 1012770 Questionmark
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Reagan didn't win shit. The cold war was ended when the USSR collapsed on its own due to economic failure and the solidarity movement.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:14 | 1012780 Rodent Freikorps
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The Cold War ended when the Soviets understood they could not keep up with our rate of expansion, dumbass. Their economic model, being socialist, doomed them.

Reagan knew their true names and ass fucked them.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:16 | 1012789 Flakmeister
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I'll give you a hint.... follow the oil. The West completely outmanuvered the Soviets taking advantage of the North Sea, Prudhoe and the Saudis as strategic assets...

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:34 | 1012858 ZakuKommander
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Russia has done a fine job maneuvering oil and gas assets in the last several years . . .

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:44 | 1012898 Flakmeister
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 Look at the Russian production profile and factor in the hard cash they were getting at the time. They imploded because they had no other source of hard currency. It took a collapse before it could recover. And now with US and North Sea production down by about 3 mmbd, they are holding an ace.

The greatest irony of the end of the Cold War is that the Americans "won" only by going down the same path as the Soviets...

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:47 | 1012909 Rodent Freikorps
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Putin is Europe's daddy now. Heh.

I no longer care.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:01 | 1013180 High Plains Drifter
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Reagan was a actor (as they all are to some varying degree) and he was a puppet on a string. He won the cold war? I think not. Those are just words that mean nothing. Do you know how he got to be President?  The same bunch that got Obama elected , also got him elected to first the governorship of California and then the Presidency. They figured they would help him out since he sucked as a actor and why not, when he got elected, he did as he was told, like the good little slave that he was. The idea of him being a conservative was invented while he was still not in politics. They figured they could work that angle better than the "liberal" option. Reagan was a traitor and no friend ot liberty or this country. Sad but true. For reference material on all of this, read the book "supermob" by Russo. In it he outlines the backgrounds of many of so-called conservative heros that were only fictions. So many of our elected officials are bought and paid for. The Chicago outfit, (Russian jewish) owns the states of California, Nevada, and Arizona and I dare say, most if not all of the politicians in those respective states. I wish I could agree with you about Reagan. For his first term, that was the last time I voted in any election. Even though I had not really woke up that much, I still have always had a healthy distrust of politicians and government and the way I figured it, even back then, is that it didn't matter what we thought and who we voted for, things always got worse. And so they have.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:22 | 1013456 zaknick
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I think the best insight I've read on Reagan was that while the banksters C!A pushed McCarthyism and the red scare upon ignorant Americans, Reagan was their fair haired boy in persecuted Hollywood. That tells you how far back he was a tool.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 21:24 | 1013566 High Plains Drifter
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I think actually he was a communist, but the boys from Chicago thought it might be a good idea for him to change his stripes and become a "conservative" So he did and the rest is history. He became friends with the boys from the outfit when his family used live above a particular pool hall, that was below their apartment. Some members of the outfit used to hang around there. He met them and did little favors for them and sucked up them and they liked the boy and took him under their wing. So when they went out west to start Hollywood etc, they told him to come out with them and they would make him a actor in the movie businesses they were starting. So he did. But they realized he sucked as a actor , after a while and they decided to use him in politics as a "conservative" candidate. Ha ha ha. Man we are such fools. Goldwater was the same way, same deal. He was all mobbed up. So is McCain( just like his father) His wife is the daughter of a late local made man, Jim Hensley. He made his bones by going to prison and not squealing on his boss and was rewarded for it when he got out. He worked for the Arizona mob boss , Kemper Marley, who is connected to the Chicago outfit through Samuel Bronfman, father of Edgar, of Seagram's whisky fame. The Bronfmans got well, shipping tainted whisky across the border to Al Capone and others, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws at that time. At the zenith of its power, the outfit powers stretched all the way into Canada and to Chicago and into California and the west.

information like this is all over the internet available for anyone to read if they so choose. Just more bad news for those who need to know real truth.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 21:36 | 1013589 High Plains Drifter
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Oh by the way, Reagan used to go around and give speeches sometimes , as former Presidents often do, for money of course.  I remember hearing him talk one time a long time ago. They were playing it on PBS one evening or Saturday afternoon. This man did not sound anything like a conservative. He sounded exactly like someone from the CFR talking up the coming new world order.  Of course I noticed that, but probably many of the coolaid drinkers did not I suppose.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 23:16 | 1013860 nedwardkelly
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"Reagan had to rebuild the military after Dems nearly destroyed it"

The situation is hopeless so long as people still think any of this is about Dems Vs Repubs.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:24 | 1013046 mynhair
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Hey, Reagan had Granada!  What, 2 wounded?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:48 | 1013344 nmewn
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Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union...the left will always hate him for that ;-)

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 21:29 | 1013574 rich_wicks
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The Soviet Union collapsed because it was an entirely socialist nation.  Communism always fails.  China isn't even communist anymore, they are a hybrid of fascism and capitalism, but they are moving increasingly to capitalism.

The only thing Ronald Reagan destroyed was any sense of fiscal responsibility in either parties, and what they will ultimately destroy is the United States.  Reagan doubled the national debt during his two terms.  So did Bush Jr.  Obama is going to outdo them all.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 00:13 | 1014002 Jerome Lester H...
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Reagan didn't double the debt. Taxes were cut and revenues taken in by The US Treasury increased substantially. The debt increased because the Congress increased spending at such a rate as to eclipse the increase in revenue thus increasing the debt. Overspending by the Congess gave us the increase in debt. Congress controls the spending, not the Executive branch. People need some civics lessons here!

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 00:43 | 1014075 pods
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The debt increased because the debt has to increase.  If it doesn't, the debt system collapses.

Ain't any more complicated than that.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 21:32 | 1013581 High Plains Drifter
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At the time, the Soviet Union had outlived its usefulness and so was broken up, as it now occuring in the middle east. The communist are still around. They are just listed under different names such as neocons, etc. The neocons are trotskyites. Trotsky had a falling out with Stalin because Stalin wanted Russian communism to be based upon him and his viewpoints on the subject and the Trotskyites wanted it to be international in scope. This was when Stalin (who was I believe half jewish) started his purge of jewish intellectuals in the party because he did not trust them. So we have two basic flavors of communism, stalinism and trotskyism.  They are about the same however.  When the Trotskyites decided to become "conservatives" it was because they realized they could never achieve their goals within the democratic party and that they needed the Christian right to help them. So now we see what the game is and how it is being played out before our very eyes.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 03:10 | 1014304 AnAnonymous
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Reagan destroyed the Soviet Union...the left will always hate him for that ;-)


The Soviet Union would have died its natural deathl, just like slavery in the US.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:35 | 1012621 tmosley
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He didn't win the cold war, the Soviets lost it.  Instead, Reagan set us down the same path, by confusing socialism and fascism with free markets and democracy.

He said the right things, but he did not do what he said.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:38 | 1012640 Michael
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Why are you trying to shatter peoples fantasies about Regan with facts?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:52 | 1012702 kridkrid
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Of all the silly narratives, "Reagan won the cold war" rates right up there with the most dangerous.  Hoover as the do-nothing president is also good.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:02 | 1012738 Michael
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And don't get me started about Clinton either;

NAFTA, Glass-Steagil, Monica Lewinsky, Changed formula for calculating unemployment that skews it downward.

Surpluses? You got to be kidding me. Move his presidency up 6 months and he would of had the NASDAQ crash on his plate.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:28 | 1013466 zaknick
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Thats nothing. All u need to know about the drug trafficking Billary:

google: the crimes of Mena, Arkansas.

Chip Tatum ( the Tatum Chronicles) was (murdered) a good witness.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:21 | 1013454 High Plains Drifter
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Reagan had this organization called the kitchen cabinet.

The mob spent a lot of money getting him elected and they had sex tapes on him to blackmail him in case he got out of line but they wanted to keep eyes on him at all times. So their man to do this was the heir to the Bloomingdale fortune, Alfred. He was friends with the boys from Chitown. He died in 1982 of cancer. I said that they had blackmail material on Reagan. I believe this was the case. A woman surfaced , not long after Alfred died complaining about needing money, after Alfred's wife found out about his long standing affair with her and cut her off from the money supply. Her name was Vickie Morgan , a woman who came to Hollywood to seek her fortune but ended up being a party girl for the rich and famous and well connected. It is my understanding that these parties were wild sex parties and anything went. Reagan used to go to these , as did his little buddie Alfred. So when Alfred died, this party girl surfaced and let it be known that she needed money and she had some shall we say very delicious video tapes, of powerful men doing weird sexual things, which was her specialty by the way. She also threatened to write a tell all book. All of this was not a good idea. They found her dead, beaten to death by a baseball bat and the murder was framed on her homosexual drug addict roommate.

And to think, I used to look at this man and think he was such a nice man, etc. Ha ha, my bad.

Also there had been testimony by a young male prostitute that both Reagan and Bush used to go these parties in Washington DC where underage young male boys and girls were used there to satisfy the sick sexual desires of these sick men. This young male prostitute ran into a Hospital one night saying that men were trying to kill him. They sedated him and put him in a room. The next morning he was found dead.

The reference material for this can be found in a book called "The Franklin Coverup"

Incidentally, the boys for these sick events in Washington DC, came from a nice Catholic place in Nebraska , called Boystown, which I might add was at one time, according to the above book, a favorite pick up point for our little old rich buddy, Warren Buffet , back in the day. Maybe that is why he lives in Omaha, ha ha ha .....

It is like one of the voice characters on the Phil Hendrie show used to say,

Its a big shit sandwich and we all have to take a bite......

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:01 | 1012736 Rodent Freikorps
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He won it by bankrupting them. Very little blood was spilled.

Now that his legacy has been betrayed, the blood will flow in rivers. Good luck with that you idiots.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:05 | 1012743 Michael
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And Osama Bin OBL is singlehandedly winning it by bankrupting the US.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:16 | 1012786 Rodent Freikorps
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I did mention the Bushes being Ivy League traitors, didn't I?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:28 | 1013276 High Plains Drifter
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Here is one of Reagan's little buddies.

Sidney Korshak, the Fixer. Russian jewish man who moved out to California after the Chicago outfit decided to create the town of LA and Las Vegas, mostly on stolen Indian lands, but who cares right? He was friends with Reagan. He was one of many "friends" of Reagan. So I ask you, how did this Ronald Reagan get mixed up with the Chicago outfit? Well where did he grow up? Hmmm? Sidney Korshak's goomah, was James Bond girl, Jill St. John, aka, Jill Arlyn Oppenheim who was born in Los Angeles, California. Most people have never heard of this man, but he was one of the most powerful men in California and beyond.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:09 | 1012762 Flakmeister
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TM, my opinion of you has just risen....

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:21 | 1013033 New_Meat
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c'mon tm, you've played poker.  RR, Maggie, and THE Pope sitting at the table with Brezhnev, who died, followed by Mikey.  25% of GDP was all-in for the Soviets.  So they busted out and as RR said admittedly simplistic: "We win, they lose."  Made it happen.

- Ned

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:33 | 1013085 SilverDOG
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Cold War was a propaganda/paranoia, oligarchy directed, beginning of the middle class elimination. 

Enslavement by accrued fear driven debt. 


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:05 | 1013195 High Plains Drifter
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The communist never really went away. They are still there as they are all over the place. They just change their colors like a chameleon. As we look at the middle east and realize that most of this activity is at best, contrived and produced by someone , then we can also ascertain, that the event in Russia was also a contrived event. Nothing has changed. Our enemies are created for us so we have someone to fight and to get mad at. Wars break out and men and women die for nothing and nobody ever really cares about it. Such is life in the matrix.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1012569 Cash_is_Trash
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Faber says we make beer and whores... and he's doing his part to keep the economy alive!

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:29 | 1012598 dejapfc
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Hahahahahahaha,you rule .....

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:58 | 1013166 camoes
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Not even beer anymore, the brazilians own Anheuser-Busch

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1012570 Sudden Debt
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You can't hate him for it. They took abuse of him.

And by they, I mean GS when they started to dictate the new economics.

He was a good actor.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:28 | 1012590 Thorny Xi
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The only thing this country manufactures is paper money and derivatives of same.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 00:21 | 1014015 Jerome Lester H...
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I'll be sure to tell that to one of my customers whose company manufactures commercial printing ink here in The US.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1012674 gorillaonyourback
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purgatory has a better climate, not quite as hot, little more subdued, suits my lifestyle better

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:14 | 1013224 gaoptimize
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SD, You should spend some time thinking about what a loving God has made in heaven.  There are many rock stars who's appetites for parties and sex are satisfied, and they still are not happy.  Really, does your comment about 80 year old virgins mean you think God disapproves of sex?  Within a decade or two, it is very likely the physical pleasure of sex will be simulated to a degree of intensity beyond coventional person-to-person interaction.  And what for you then, and your thoughts of heaven and hell?  Have you not seen joy in the eyes of a child you made with a woman you love, and the enduring hope that they live to see joy in the eyes of their children, and so forth forever?  Not knocking them, but there are ways to be happy beyond sluts and parties.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:30 | 1012608 tmosley
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Your wish is granted.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:07 | 1012752 falak pema
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Typical cowboy talk. But to set the record right, he tried and failed.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:06 | 1012758 kaiten
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" Reagan wanted to kill him. Europe was outrageously outraged at the cowboy.

Europe should rot in hell. "

Oh, yes, like you listen what Europe tells you. Iraq, anyone?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:09 | 1012763 falak pema
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Iraq is the shameful show of the cowboys and their poodles.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:19 | 1012796 Rodent Freikorps
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The hell of it is, you idiots think "cowboy" is an insult. That is why you will lose.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:40 | 1012879 kaiten
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Cowboy is not an insult, it´s just history.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:10 | 1012764 Rodent Freikorps
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France only had Iraq's back because Total wanted the oil in the marshes. France might possibly be the most evil nation on earth.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:19 | 1012797 Flakmeister
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Looking into the mirror is a bitch, eh?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:33 | 1012851 kaiten
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"France might possibly be the most evil nation on earth."

Im sure your Founding Fathers would disagree with you on that.

But anyway, France is only one of the european nations, the rest of Europe, and pretty much the whole World, was against that war as well. And you started it regardless. I mean, why making excuses, Reagan could kill Qadafi had he really wanted so. It was his decision not Europe´s.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:42 | 1012889 Rodent Freikorps
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Wow, the French thought helping the US would weaken the Brits. Then they fail to help the Confederates.

The only thing France cares about is France. I can understand that. I cannot understand the hypocrisy of claiming they are anything but self-interested EuroTrash.

Nothing changes.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:10 | 1012995 kaiten
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So you have hundreds of bases all around the world from purely altruistic reasons, right? Hypocrisy? There´s one country that keeps talking and moralizing about democracy and human rights while backing medieval autocracies, like Saudi Arabia, for example. How you call this?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:14 | 1013008 Rodent Freikorps
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We should end the Pax Americana and let Europe implode. Then re-institute it when the surviving Euros beg us to.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:39 | 1013098 kaiten
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Haha, Pax Americana? Seems like somali pirates and afghan goat herders didnt get the memo.


Im not going to comment on your wet dreams about imploding Europe ;)

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:02 | 1013184 Rodent Freikorps
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May all your wishes come true. I am tired of defending Europe.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:15 | 1013226 kaiten
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If my wishes come true, yours will come true as well. I say, let´s disband NATO and no more foreign troops on european soil. The time for common european army has arrived.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:16 | 1013232 Rodent Freikorps
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We can agree on that.

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 00:25 | 1014033 Jerome Lester H...
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We both know that Europe can handle their own affairs just fine except when starting world wars.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:36 | 1013099 SilverDOG
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You do not comprehend. Your responses are hilarious. J.Leno on rhoids.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:04 | 1013190 Rodent Freikorps
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Yes, I do. Wishful thinking is not a good way to live your life.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:10 | 1012516 Sudden Debt
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ps : please also don't forget to pick up some chocolat and beer on your way out.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:12 | 1012520 Rodent Freikorps
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Belgians were the only folks who acted honorably in Rwanda. I do have to give you that.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1012546 Cash_is_Trash
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I love how Farage calls Belgium a non-state.

It broke the record for longest time a country goes without government; I thought America had won that one...

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:41 | 1012655 BobPaulson
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Depends what you call a government. Has Japan ever had one?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:08 | 1012761 falak pema
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are you interested in discussing the list where the US acted like bully, worse?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:11 | 1012771 Rodent Freikorps
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The US is cleaner than Europe. European propaganda will fail eventually. Feel free to feel superior until the end.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:16 | 1012537 Cash_is_Trash
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Finmeccanica must have made a nice profit...

Ruby Heartbreaker homies

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1012543 Harmonious_Diss...
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I'll take a few of those fine beers my good man!

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1012670 hugovanderbubble
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FN Herstal

That company is so huge and powerful

Belgium Armor the whole world with this company.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:00 | 1012726 Sudden Debt
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They make some of the coolest weapons on the planet.

The P90 and FS2000 are my favorites.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:23 | 1012807 Rodent Freikorps
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P90s are underpowered. I still think the best weapon is the M1 Garand. Yes, I know the M1a is clip fed. I am talking about the one weapon you would want to take into the apocalypse. The clip would mess up my snipering.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:29 | 1013066 mynhair
Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:35 | 1013092 Rodent Freikorps
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If I need to re-ammo at Joe's Bait N Tackle, I'll stay with the .06.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:38 | 1013104 mynhair
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Reloading dies are available.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:13 | 1013223 New_Meat
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RFK-u got junked by someone who doesn't know what the "M-1 Thumb" is.

Me, '03 Springfield if we are goin' retro.

- Ned

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:20 | 1012517 hugovanderbubble
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Spain , Tyler, Spain...


No matter where the money comes from, is just business, no ethics in this freaking world.


*Malta 79.000.000 USD in small guns¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡...........WOW¡¡¡¡ Thats why Malta is the NEW OFF SHORE PARADISE


Close Malta¡ Intervention in La Valetta¡



Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:16 | 1012538 AnAnonymous
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All these weapons are put to good use by killing Al Qaeda fighters who are trying to capture another Muslim country.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:16 | 1012542 DoChenRollingBearing
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The old saying once again:

Follow the money.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:18 | 1012548 claycalhoun
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The US needs to come clean about what it has supplied also.

I have much admiration for the US but some of your issues are freedom and transparency.

Why would you be so exercised by Wikileaks ????

It's good for freedom and transparency, stops them lying and covering up quite so much

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:04 | 1012967 pods
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Oh I thought it was common knowledge that we have supplied all the Al-CIA-DUH fighters that Mickey Rourke was babbling about?

BTW, the issues that we promote (freedom, et all) are only used to sell hot dogs and Chevys.  Nobody really believes that anymore.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1012564 redpill
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Sounds like the Italians should be the ones cleaning up this mess.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:25 | 1012574 Rodent Freikorps
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Told ya.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1012678 TeamAmerica
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Yes, but they remember what happened to them last time they visited Libya.  Couldn't win even with the Germans watching their back.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:43 | 1013116 optimator
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years ago a German DAK vet told me that the favorite saying was, "A German with a frying pan is worth five Italians in a tank."

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1012577 treasurefish
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Where do you think Q-Daffy got all his mustard agent artillery rounds?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:36 | 1012636 Sudden Debt
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Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:05 | 1012975 pods
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I don't care who y' are, that is funny!


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:42 | 1012654 Rodent Freikorps
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Soviets. Same as most Arab nations. I'm betting 90% of them won't work if you get the typical Insh Allah attitude toward maintenance.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:33 | 1012617 lsbumblebee
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This may be why his friends suddenly had a different attitude:

Palestinian refugees should capitalize on the wave of popular revolts in the Middle East by massing peacefully on the borders of Israel until it gives in to their demands, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi said Sunday.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:37 | 1012641 Sudden Debt
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Wouldn't the jews have a fieldday with that one.

It would be like duckhunting.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1012675 Michael
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Israelis and by proxy America, killing people good.

Muslims killing people, bad.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1012689 TeamAmerica
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Damn straight.  First sensible thing you've posted. :-)

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:54 | 1012712 Michael
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I kinda wish the US would intervene in Libya. That would give the Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan an incentive to go after the puny American troops in their countries and drive them out. I wound prefer they made the decision for us to pull out over there.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:10 | 1013210 still kicking
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umm, I don't disagree with all your points, I don't agree with a lot of them, but that was just stupid, US troops are anything but puny and I guarantee you if you asked a trained soldier which army they would like to face least (if that army is allowed to fight all out) it would be the US troops.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:16 | 1013438 Michael
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Anymore American mass killing of Muslims will be televised. That's why they are puny.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:19 | 1013448 Rodent Freikorps
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I didn't know Alex Jones was a tool of communism. Learn something new every day.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:48 | 1012687 lsbumblebee
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Here's the kicker:

"Israel’s Channel 2 News last year interviewed two Israeli women of Libyan origin who claimed to be distant relatives of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

If the story told by Brown and Saada is true, Gaddafi is entitled to immigrate to Israel as a Jew under Israel’s Law of Return. Even if every other country on earth refused him entry, Israel would be obligated by its own laws to take Gaddafi in."

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:10 | 1013213 still kicking
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now that would be funny

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:32 | 1012619 AldoHux_IV
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Another way that global trade has been part of the great world economic ponzi-- a facade to distract academics and pundits alike to the truth behind closed doors: the top 2% are willing to profit any way and any how even if it means that innocent people are continually oppressed or put down.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:38 | 1012634 serotonindumptruck
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Which CBR/NBC weapons were sold by Spain, France, Germany, Italy, and the UK?

Sarin, Soman, and Tabun, perhaps?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1012668 Shameful
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Latvia selling war planes?  Was there some old Soviet spare parts laying around?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:47 | 1012680 topcallingtroll
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A billion euros in four years?

You cant even keep a small division going with that, much less a real airforce.

This piddly amount proves libya's benign intentions these last five years.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:53 | 1012714 Rodent Freikorps
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Labor cost are hella high even in the US military. Eventually even the the US military will say, "Fuck it", and demand a return to the loot system.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:00 | 1012732 Sokhmate
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+1Billion Euros

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1012691 hugovanderbubble
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Imagine what Iran has....All the Soviets...



This world is completly a mess.

"Están todos los gobiernos pringados hasta arriba". All governments toasted and corrupted. ALL

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:56 | 1012719 serotonindumptruck
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Got Moskit?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1012725 Pants McPants
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Is this good news or bad news?  Because the US military doesn't like to invade anyone who can fight back.  Nuclear-equipped countries are immune from attack altogether.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:04 | 1012742 serotonindumptruck
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Highly unlikely that Libya was sold radiological weapons.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:05 | 1012751 Rodent Freikorps
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Even most Muslim nations try to avoid a MAD outcome, moron. Iran is different. Stand the hell by.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 21:07 | 1013530 zaknick
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Just wanted u to know that a lot of people in this world (the majority) think u are the evil scum who needs a final solution.

Ignorance + guns= dead innocents.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:26 | 1013055 New_Meat
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Libya gave up its "nuclear" "program" in the mid 2000s.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:01 | 1012734 gratefultraveller
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US air force members shot dead at Frankfurt airport

I guess that's the equivalent of what happened to the roman legionairs in their outposts far from home when the Roman Empire started cracking at the edges.

Once the awareness of the growing weakness of the aging predator spreads, the tide turns.

Karma is a bitch (and silver bitchez!!!)

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:06 | 1012754 Rodent Freikorps
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Fuck you.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:15 | 1012783 falak pema
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the ostrich speaks...

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:25 | 1012824 Rodent Freikorps
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America will survive because of Reagan's oft maligned Star Wars program. Feel free to suck Iranian dick.  It might be your only option to continue breathing. Idiot.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:49 | 1012899 Miles Kendig
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The primary reason the US is unconcerned with what others think, or of replacing personnel & equipment.

I suppose that makes us both redundant..

You were talking about idiots & breathing?

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:55 | 1012936 Rodent Freikorps
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DARPA rocks. Make sure it is filled with patriots, or suffer accordingly.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:20 | 1013013 Miles Kendig
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If by rocks you mean the power of the self, and by extension ones sugar daddy over accomplishment of the mission or loyalty to the institution you are quite correct.

I'm sure the ASA is hearing what I'm saying

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:22 | 1013039 Rodent Freikorps
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US Navy rail guns, bitch.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:30 | 1013045 Miles Kendig
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Are worthless without INSCOM

I suppose that why Buffett, tweakers, coke & crack heads love to do rails


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:39 | 1013103 Rodent Freikorps
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Why we Americans will always rule the world.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 18:49 | 1013132 Miles Kendig
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As you take vacation at Universal Studios .. Gonna make an appearance on a kids game show next?

Catch up or get crushed.  Regardless, you're boring

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:31 | 1013290 Rodent Freikorps
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Excitement is an indication of poor planning.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:13 | 1013425 Miles Kendig
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No wonder your spouse insists on lunching with me & mine.  Thanks for carrying that the rest if the time you excessively Twitterized fool

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:15 | 1013437 Rodent Freikorps
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Going personal is admitting defeat.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 20:17 | 1013443 Miles Kendig
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Hardly personal, it's business  Like the rise & fall of empire.  It's called an M&A cycle for a reason

Thu, 03/03/2011 - 01:35 | 1014177 MsCreant
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I'm getting personal so I guess I am admitting defeat. This Miles guy is trying to love you and you can't hear it.

You are funny and smart. You also need your ass kicked for your own good. You may not have had any cool-aide, but those fuckers at .gov gave you something way worse. I'm sorry it is highly likely you won't even see this message.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:06 | 1013196 SilverDOG
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Is your historical knowledge beyond your last hand cramp? EVERY empire fails. Exactly as any champion team or player. Once upon the pedestal, only one direction remains. A dozen  empires that have fallen readily come to mind. USA is NEXT; guaranteed. The cascading demise began long ago. 1913 and 1971 two key dates, shackles were applied.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 19:29 | 1013285 Rodent Freikorps
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America is not an empire...yet.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 23:47 | 1013939 pods
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I think you forgot the sarcasm tag.


Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:25 | 1012820 gratefultraveller
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1. I was wondering wether to add that I am sad about the loss of human life

2. Your comment makes me wonder once more what makes us react emotionally like you just did, when we are faced with the suffering or death of someone we are somehow connected to, by family ties or some kind of (professional?) affiliation, while most stay completely indifferent to the hundreds of thousands of human beings that die to make our western lifestyle possible.

Earth is a closed system, and for you and me to have so much more than the average, *a lot* of others must have a *a lot less* than that same average.

I'm not sure how much of your or my share of that "above average" is due to our own personal efforts, and because of that, it might be useful (if humbling) to raise our eyes from our f*cking overflowing plates every now and then, and look at the mountain of skeletons our table stands on.

May you walk in peace

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:31 | 1012839 Rodent Freikorps
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Us vs Them is baked into the human DNA pie. It will never change.

The current self-destructive ethics of the Ivy League, and their useful idiots, will end about the same way as the French aristocracy. Nature, and Darwin, hate morons. Especially self-important morons.

Wed, 03/02/2011 - 17:42 | 1012885 toto
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You sound like a very intelligent person.

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