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Complete Transcript Of Assange Guardian Livechat (And Possibly His Last Pre-Arrest)
Earlier today, record interest in what could be Julian Assange's last live chat crashed the Guardian's entire website (which is the 16th top ranked site in Britain on a regular day getting tens of millions of hits). To be sure, the Guardian's exhaustive coverage of Assange's travails have paid off in droves, and as the Alexa chart below shows, the site's rank has surged as ad revenues have exploded. We hope the Guardian is keeping at least some of the proceeds in escrow for the soon to be created "Free Julian" fund. And while a boredom-intolerant world awaits news of the Wikileaks creator's arrest, below is a complete transcript of what could be his last live interview before captivity.
But first, the Guardian's traffic spike since the whoe Cablegate affair:
Full transcript from the Guardian.
Fwoggie
I'll start the ball rolling with a question.
You're an Australian passport holder - would you want return to your own
country or is this now out of the question due to potentially being
arrested on arrival for releasing cables relating to Australian
diplomats and polices?
Julian Assange:
I
am an Australian citizen and I miss my country a great deal. However,
during the last weeks the Australian prime minister, Julia Gillard, and
the attorney general, Robert McClelland, have made it clear that not
only is my return is impossible but that they are actively working to
assist the United States government in its attacks on myself and our
people. This brings into question what does it mean to be an Australian
citizen - does that mean anything at all? Or are we all to be treated
like David Hicks at the first possible opportunity merely so that
Australian politicians and diplomats can be invited to the best US
embassy cocktail parties.
girish89
How do you think you have changed world affairs?
And if you call all the attention you've been given-credit ... shouldn't the mole or source receive a word of praise from you?
Julian Assange:
For the past four years one of
our goals has been to lionise the source who take the real risks in
nearly every journalistic disclosure and without whose efforts,
journalists would be nothing. If indeed it is the case, as alleged by
the Pentagon, that the young soldier - Bradley Manning - is behind some
of our recent disclosures, then he is without doubt an unparalleled
hero.
Daithi
Have you released, or will you
release, cables (either in the last few days or with the Afghan and Iraq
war logs) with the names of Afghan informants or anything else like so?
Are you willing to censor (sorry for using the term) any names that you feel might land people in danger from reprisals??
By the way, I think history will absolve you. Well done!!!
Julian Assange:
WikiLeaks
has a four-year publishing history. During that time there has been no
credible allegation, even by organisations like the Pentagon that even a
single person has come to harm as a result of our activities. This is
despite much-attempted manipulation and spin trying to lead people to a
counter-factual conclusion. We do not expect any change in this regard.
distrot
The
State Dept is mulling over the issue of whether you are a journalist or
not. Are you a journalist? As far as delivering information that
someone [anyone] does not want seen is concerned, does it matter if you
are a 'journalist' or not?
Julian Assange:
I coauthored my first nonfiction
book by the time I was 25. I have been involved in nonfiction
documentaries, newspapers, TV and internet since that time. However, it
is not necessary to debate whether I am a journalist, or how our people
mysteriously are alleged to cease to be journalists when they start
writing for our organisaiton. Although I still write, research and
investigate my role is primarily that of a publisher and editor-in-chief
who organises and directs other journalists.
achanth
Mr Assange,
have there ever been documents forwarded to you which deal with the topic of UFOs or extraterrestrials?
Julian Assange:
Many weirdos email us about UFOs
or how they discovered that they were the anti-christ whilst talking
with their ex-wife at a garden party over a pot-plant. However, as yet
they have not satisfied two of our publishing rules.
1) that the documents not be self-authored;
2) that they be original.
However, it is worth noting that in yet-to-be-published parts of the cablegate archive there are indeed references to UFOs.
gnosticheresy
What
happened to all the other documents that were on Wikileaks prior to
these series of "megaleaks"? Will you put them back online at some stage
("technical difficulties" permitting)?
Julian Assange:
Many of these are still available
at mirror.wikileaks.info and the rest will be returning as soon as we
can find a moment to do address the engineering complexities. Since
April of this year our timetable has not been our own, rather it has
been one that has centred on the moves of abusive elements of the United
States government against us. But rest assured I am deeply unhappy that
the three-and-a-half years of my work and others is not easily
available or searchable by the general public.
CrisShutlar
Have you expected this level of impact all over the world? Do you fear for your security?
Julian Assange:
I always believed that WikiLeaks
as a concept would perform a global role and to some degree it was clear
that is was doing that as far back as 2007 when it changed the result
of the Kenyan general election. I thought it would take two years
instead of four to be recognised by others as having this important
role, so we are still a little behind schedule and have much more work
to do. The threats against our lives are a matter of public record,
however, we are taking the appropriate precautions to the degree that we
are able when dealing with a super power.
JAnthony
Julian.
I
am a former British diplomat. In the course of my former duties I
helped to coordinate multilateral action against a brutal regime in the
Balkans, impose sanctions on a renegade state threatening ethnic
cleansing, and negotiate a debt relief programme for an impoverished
nation. None of this would have been possible without the security and
secrecy of diplomatic correspondence, and the protection of that
correspondence from publication under the laws of the UK and many other
liberal and democratic states. An embassy which cannot securely offer
advice or pass messages back to London is an embassy which cannot
operate. Diplomacy cannot operate without discretion and the
protection of sources. This applies to the UK and the UN as much as the US.
In
publishing this massive volume of correspondence, Wikileaks is not
highlighting specific cases of wrongdoing but undermining the entire
process of diplomacy. If you can publish US cables then you can publish
UK telegrams and UN emails.
My question to you is: why should we not
hold you personally responsible when next an international crisis goes
unresolved because diplomats cannot function.
Julian Assange:
If you trim the vast editorial letter to the singular question actually asked, I would be happy to give it my attention.
cargun
Mr Assange,
Can
you explain the censorship of identities as XXXXX's in the revealed
cables? Some critical identities are left as is, whereas some are
XXXXX'd. Some cables are partially revealed. Who can make such critical
decisons, but the US gov't? As far as we know your request for such help
was rejected by the State department. Also is there an order in the
release of cable or are they randomly selected?
Thank you.
Julian Assange:
The cables we have release
correspond to stories released by our main stream media partners and
ourselves. They have been redacted by the journalists working on the
stories, as these people must know the material well in order to write
about it. The redactions are then reviewed by at least one other
journalist or editor, and we review samples supplied by the other
organisations to make sure the process is working.
rszopa
Annoying
as it may be, the DDoS seems to be good publicity (if anything, it adds
to your credibility). So is getting kicked out of AWS. Do you agree
with this statement? Were you planning for it?
Thank you for doing what you are doing.
Julian Assange:
Since 2007 we have been
deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we
suspected suffered a free speech deficit inorder to separate rhetoric
from reality. Amazon was one of these cases.
abbeherrera
You
started something that nobody can stop. The Beginning of a New World.
Remember, that community is behind you and support you (from Slovakia).
Do you have leaks on ACTA?
Julian Assange:
Yes, we have leaks on the
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a trojan horse trade agreement
designed from the very beginning to satisfy big players in the US
copyright and patent industries. In fact, it was WikiLeaks that first
drew ACTA to the public's attention - with a leak.
people1st
Tom
Flanagan, a [former] senior adviser to Canadian Prime Minister recently
stated "I think Assange should be assassinated ... I think Obama should
put out a contract ... I wouldn't feel unhappy if Assange does
disappear."
How do you feel about this?
Julian Assange:
It is correct that Mr. Flanagan
and the others seriously making these statements should be charged with
incitement to commit murder.
Isopod
Julian, why do
you think it was necessary to "give Wikileaks a face"? Don't you think
it would be better if the organization was anonymous?
This whole
debate has become very personal and reduced on you - "Julian Assange
leaked documents", "Julian Assange is a terrorist", "Julian Assange
alledgedly raped a woman", "Julian Assange should be assassinated",
"Live Q&A qith Julian Assange" etc. Nobody talks about Wikileaks as
an organization anymore. Many people don't even realize that there are
other people behind Wikileaks, too.
And this, in my opinion, makes
Wikileaks vulnerable because this enables your opponents to argue ad
hominem. If they convince the public that you're an evil, woman-raping
terrorist, then Wikileaks' credibility will be gone. Also, with due
respect for all that you've done, I think it's unfair to all the other
brave, hard working people behind Wikileaks, that you get so much
credit.
Julian Assange:
This is an interesting question. I
originally tried hard for the organisation to have no face, because I
wanted egos to play no part in our activities. This followed the
tradition of the French anonymous pure mathematians, who wrote under the
collective allonym, "The Bourbaki". However this quickly led to
tremendous distracting curiosity about who and random individuals
claiming to represent us. In the end, someone must be responsible to the
public and only a leadership that is willing to be publicly courageous
can genuinely suggest that sources take risks for the greater good. In
that process, I have become the lightening rod. I get undue attacks on
every aspect of my life, but then I also get undue credit as some kind
of balancing force.
tburgi
Western governments lay claim to moral authority in part from having legal guarantees for a free press.
Threats of legal sanction against Wikileaks and yourself seem to weaken this claim.
(What
press needs to be protected except that which is unpopular to the
State? If being state-sanctioned is the test for being a media
organization, and therefore able to claim rights to press freedom, the
situation appears to be the same in authoritarian regimes and the west.)
Do you agree that western governments risk losing moral authority by
attacking Wikileaks?
Do you believe western goverments have any moral authority to begin with?
Thanks,
Tim Burgi
Vancouver, Canada
Julian Assange:
The west has fiscalised its basic
power relationships through a web of contracts, loans, shareholdings,
bank holdings and so on. In such an environment it is easy for speech to
be "free" because a change in political will rarely leads to any change
in these basic instruments. Western speech, as something that rarely
has any effect on power, is, like badgers and birds, free. In states
like China, there is pervasive censorship, because speech still has
power and power is scared of it. We should always look at censorship as
an economic signal that reveals the potential power of speech in that
jurisdiction. The attacks against us by the US point to a great hope,
speech powerful enough to break the fiscal blockade.
rajiv1857
Hi,
Is
the game that you are caught up in winnable? Technically, can you keep
playing hide and seek with the powers that be when services and service
providers are directly or indirectly under government control or
vulnerable to pressure - like Amazon?
Also, if you get "taken out" -
and that could be technical, not necessarily physical - what are the
alternatives for your cache of material?
Is there a 'second line' of activists in place that would continue the campaign?
Is your material 'dispersed' so that taking out one cache would not necessarily mean the end of the game?
Julian Assange:
The Cable Gate archive has been
spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries
to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us,
the key parts will be released automatically. Further, the Cable Gate
archives is in the hands of multiple news organisations. History will
win. The world will be elevated to a better place. Will we survive? That
depends on you.
That's it every one, thanks for all your questions and
comments. Julian Assange is sorry that he can't answer every question
but he has tried to cover as much territory as possible. Thanks for your
patience with our earlier technical difficulties.
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Thank you, Tyler.
I'm completely neutral to this whole wikileaks thing. I find myself very conflicted and find it difficult to take a side of for it/against it.
Is there anyone here that believes a government should have secrets? Does every conversation and thought need to be made public?
I just find it hard to define the line of what should be made public. Its a very grey area from my point of view.
Half of me wants to call him an asshole and half of me wants to have a beer with him. Does anyone else feel like this?
I hear you Bob.
Secrets are the lifeblood of the state. The more secrets, the more opaque their operations. The more opaque their operations, the more opportunity for abuse. It's no coincidence that the U.S. gov't has become increasingly abusive as it has simultaneously become nearly impossible to know just what the hell it is up to. If you're on the fence with this, then you're not thinking critically enough.
+1000 & Amen! Right on point. Milestones
Bob,
Are you ambivalent about Hillary Clinton's order that diplomats spy on UN delegats and officials? http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/11/clinton-ordered-diplomats-spy-un/
Those intrusted with "public service", on the public's payroll, NEED to be held accountable and responsible, UNDER THE LAW.
Its not like the UN is the purview of purity and truth either.
Wasn't Saddam gaming the system via the UN with some food program? I can think of 100's of shady dealings regarding the UN. It's like Iran using ambulances to smuggle weapons, because ambulances are 'off limits'.
I don't know how I feel as the corruption is so prevlant it has infected every facet of world affairs and is not mutually explicit to the US which seems to be the lone target of wikileaks. I guess thats par for the course, the world has always been corrupt, and it would be juvenile to think it will one day be wholly just and honest while being completely void of corruption and deceit.
Like I said...I'm confused.
Wasn't Saddam gaming the system via the UN with some food program?
A blockade is an act of war. What gave the UN the right to pretend to help starving children while supporting a belligerent act which led to the deaths of hundred of thousands of those same children?
The U.S. is not the sole target.
This is your problem at the base.
You can't see past this so you are conflicted.
Almost everything released so far has at least one otherer player involved.
If say Wikileaks gets a million docs a day what do you think would be the U.S. number of those given our vastly larger footprint in all things of this nature.
Plus , what does it matter?
Saddam was gaming the U.N.? SO WHAT. We game the thing every day. It's what diplomats do. Did Colin Powell game them?
The FIRST country and only country we have a right to question and/or fix is THIS ONE!
it is not a defense under the law, certainly criminal law, that other parties are also guilty
that's the funny thing about it. There are over 1200 out there now. Yet somehow we are only seeing the filtered version, mainly because people are lazy shits and most are functionally illiterate.
So, I can actually tell you there is worse stuff in the leaks than the nonsense of US foreign policy and bad mouthing countries. That's just the embarrassing shit.
What will blow your mind, if you actually can read, if the endless discussions on food shortage and the brokering of oil supplies and the assumed oil rationing. With China explaining in no uncertain terms the US can and will go fuck itself if trying to dip into, what China percieves, as China's puddi of Middle Eastern Oil.
Thanks for this insight. If possible, please post links.
those subjects should surprise no one who is paying attention. What's amazing is the bald face lying they do in public
Where is that expressed? Honestly, I'm not even sure where to go to get the document dump, much less what all is contained therein.
You can download the torrent and wait for the big password, then you load the databse into whatever platform you want because it's in a csv format. Then you write a query in T-SQL, or whatever SQL language you want honestly doesn't matter.
Then go hunting for keywords.
And it's not BAC, it's JPM they'll do a dump on.
BIG one.
Admit it, man: You don't wanna get tagged. I'm with ya.
Like it could make a difference, but still . . .
Oh, I've got much bigger problems than that. I'm sure my comments on this cite have set off a few alarm bells somewhere.
I know, man! We have definitely long since passed the point of no return. :>)
It's quite possible that ZH could become the new front lines. Great times to be alive . . .
We don't have much time left to speak out. From the Washington Times:
EDITORIAL: Wave goodbye to Internet freedom
FCC crosses the Rubicon into online regulation
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/wave-goodbye-to-internet-freedom/
cpl-
lol. Most people have jobs and families, lacking the time to read through 100,000's of documents relating to shit we already know happens deep down in the inner cockles of our hearts.
I have the database. I type in a T-SQL query looking for keywords and cross relationships.
80% of it is just crap, 20% is people geniunely worried about 2008, 2009 and 2010 being too hot and crop failures, with the hope that argentina can help feed the world with it's newly ploughed farm land.
China will snuff out the US if it takes it's cheedar in the middle east and doesn't care about the brokered deals. China is offering the middle east life; in terms of manufactured good and food which the middle east can't even remotely do with the population they have to sustain currently.
Nice compilation for the lazy. Thanks.
Could we crowd source this a bit, folks? It would be nice to know if this characterization holds up.
Hey, man, I said I'm lazy!
I'm planning on downloading the data this weekend and start exploring it. I'm also interested in the cables that aren't being highlighted by the MSM. I'll post if I find anything interesting. And as someone with an interest in data mining - its going to fun!
I do 50 hours a week in college and a job, the rest of the time I look after my 3 kids while the wife works. I still make time to read. Sleep is your enemy.
Agreed on being conflicted. I hate to see our nation being shown as so clueless (both in the cables and in reaction), but I revel in the idea that TPTB are losing control.
Ultimately I defer to the idea that there are way too many secrets and not enough transparency.
In a perfect world, no government would be compelled to keep secrets from the citizens. And no government would engage in activities regarding which the citizens would not approve. And any government would feel comfortable going to the citizens and saying "Folks this is the lay of the land, it sucks but we have to deal with it. Give yourselves a day to talk about it and get back to us. We need your input here."
Sounds great, huh?
Nothing really stops that from happening. Nothing in the real world that is. You can come up with all sorts of dire scenarios with despicable villians and mad tyrants laying just over the horizon looking for weaknesses to exploit for that crushing blow against democracy and all that, but in the end those are just nightmares we've learned to fear from our masters at the top. If you set aside fears for a moment and look at reality, it's pretty simple.
Government do not serve the people as a whole. They serve the wealthy, serve corporations, and serve their own bureaucracies including the military. Governments keep themselves in the money and off the radar. They do this via secrecy. They all do this and they cover for each other while doing this. It's a small club and you and I are not in it.
Governments exploit people once they have them in the dark. We work for them without representation, they hurtle us carelessly into their wars of expansion, and they pit us against each other to consume our life energy so we cannot unify and oppose them in a systemic way.
And through all this, run lies. Lies about threats, lies about wealth, lies about our responsibilities, lies about their duties. Lies about enemies, lies about allies, lies about history, lies about all the lies. They lie to us until we doubt even each other and our own selves. They lie to keep us angry, to keep us confused, to keep us fearful, to keep us distracted. To keep us off the scent of all the lies they have already told us.
It's a Ponzi scheme of lies. Each lie begets the next, and with leverage, until it is nothing more than a towering citadel of lies and misdirections without handles or form, just a mass of lies and deceits.
Enter, doubt.
If I believed much of what my leaders said, I would have doubts about leaks. If I believed even half I might have a divided mind on the matter. But actually I believe nearly nothing my governments says. I don't believe them on matters of diplomacy, mattes of money, matters of enemies, matters of economics. On matters of anything. They serve the wrong masters. They lie. They create wars that do not end. They devour our children. They have no credibility with me. Just none at all. I wish I could get rid of them and go about our business some other way. Right now we're stuck with them.
The only defense any of us has is doubt.
My advice is to pursue doubt with a vengeance.
Damn, you're blowing me away with your work, Cat.
Thanks.
It is only the work of the moment. This like all things too shall pass.
But you are entirely welcome.
Word.
you wouldn't be so conflicted if you had a better grasp of how your government has become nothing more than a bought and paid for tool of the sociopath oligarch plutocracy that now owns and controls the former USA.
The guy's a tool and his arrogance shines through. That said, I 100% agree with what he's doing.
did you see how the weasel could not answer the former diplomat's question? because he had no answer. what a douche bag.
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Loaded questions based on false premises don't deserve an answer.
Vergeltung refuses to answer the question, thereby proving that he must have raped a Swede.
Stranger even still is that Assange attempted to answer direct questions of the police, face to face:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/2/attorney_confirms_wikileaks_founde...
With apologies to the Bard, something's rotten in Sweden.
I hear that. DHS doth protest too much.
"Murder will out." Should be the Wikileaks motto.
Somebody actually trying to make a difference in this f'd up world. We must lock him up immediately.
FWIW, the Swedish "rape" charges are bizarre. reports today (read it on Ace of Spades HQ), indicate that its a Swedish crime classification called, get this, "sex by surprise".
I sheet you not! apparently, in Sweden, if you say you're going to wear a condom and don't. it's a criminal offence! one of the "accusers" is a life-long feminist who was once kicked out of Cuba for "subversive" activities.
you can't make this schitt up!!!! Frankly, I thought the "surprise" would be that this pasty phuck would be having sex with a woman. go figure.
Funny how upset people get when they find out the truth about their government. Why don't you just go back to sleep?
Ranks right up there with:
"I won't cum in your mouth."
"I'll still respect you in the morning."
"The check is in the mail.", etc -- dudn't it?
"The Cable Gate archive has been spread, along with significant material from the US and other countries to over 100,000 people in encrypted form. If something happens to us, the key parts will be released automatically."
You can't stop the signal, Mal.
But you can kill the propogator with a sword.
Wikileaks might be a PsyOps form Mossad or CIA or whatever. I am not really sure about that. However, I think Julian Assange has some really good points. As another example, here:
http://zunguzungu.wordpress.com/2010/11/29/julian-assange-and-the-comput...
Anyway whatever are the official statements from Wikileaks, they deserve the same credibility as any official statements coming from any "democratic" government. We should just judge the facts (who do these leaks benefit, for example?).
So I hope he continues to receive media attention, because I think he can open a lot of people's eyes. Even if in the end it is just that.
Don't be ignorant.
Please read this: http://georgiebc.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/who-were-wikileaks/
and then this: http://cryptome.org/wikileaks/wikileaks-leak.htm
Taggart, thanks for the links.
I totally agree with the philosophy behind. I really hope this is their motivation, but I can't help being suspicious, anyway. I'll read the cryptome leak in more depth.
Don't get caught up in the names and faces. There's a principle in operation here, and it makes no difference whether Assange really subscribes to it or not.
The game is afoot as reality unfolds.
A lot of talk about fonts and symbols and images.
http://www.last.fm/music/MC+900+Ft+Jesus/_/Dali%27s+Handgun
I hear all this tribble about how Assange wil endanger lives of innocents, etc. I think if someone says/writes that, they should point to a specific example of a person so harmed by these leaks. After all, if you have seen the video "Collateral Murder" you have to admit that Assange has actually pointed to specific innocents who have been harmed by the policies pursued by the Unites States government. And what of the 700,000 (or so) killed in the Iraq war? Were not a very many of these innocents? Don't even mention Afganistan/Pakistan. What about the innocents on 911? What about building 7?
The diplomats, the MSM, Bernanke and his ilk, Congress, Bush/Cheney, Blair, Obama, etc.............are all failures.
I'll believe in Assange if he actually succeeds in ending war or takes down any banksters. Until then ZHers, keep skeptical, follow the money.
"Bankster" Govt conspiracy. You know who caused this countries economic problems. Not bankers, not even politicians - GREEDY Americans that is who. Those who lived the good life and borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. It is a collective guilt. If any one party is to blame it is those over 65 who are literally raping this country of its wealth. Julian is a terrorist sympathizer and to be honest I think most people who support hima are as well.
You just don't know when to stop making an ass of yourself.
Give it a break!
MORON!
Keep talking. No insult hurled at you could make you look like an ass more effectively than your own words.
+1231
Proud to be a terrorist, fighting for?
Bubba per Section 9, Paragraph 3 of the United States Constitution:
No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
http://www.constitution.org/constit_.htm#con1.9.3
Why do you hate the United States Constitution and the founding fathers? Are you anti-American?
Tyler: Why aren't you posting the information out there that Assange is actually being arrested for having consensual sex without a condom?
This is an absolute outrage and I can't believe that there is a total media blackout on this information. He is being portrayed to the entire world population as a rapist. What the hell is this??? Is "1984" becoming reality before our eyes?
You have done a spectacular job thus far Tyler, but you must post this info on your main blog (as everyone else should in the blogosphere). George Washington blog has the info posted right now.
If people do not stand against this outrage, what democracy do we have left?
Strikes me as a good suggestion. Info wars take us into strange places, but it is what it is.
I beleive he did this yesterday?
BErnard,
GW ALSO says OBL didn't commit 9/11.....
bubba1231,
Please examine the evidence first then let me know.
Here are the links for you:
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1276130/pg1
http://m.gizmodo.com/5705430/wikileaks-julian-assange-is-not-accused-of-...
This reflects extremely badly on Sweden and on the entire world media.
What a total unmitigated disgrace.
.
Bernard,
I am sure the "Real" story of Julian will come out. But rape even forced rape is the LEAST of his crimes. I really don't care even if he is completely innocent. He should found, hauled to face justice here. And if has broken no laws than new ones should be created. Either way he is a scumbag and anyone who supoorts him or his "project" should be ashamed. Also Bernard - was OBL responsible for 9/11. Tyler is too big a coward to answer - will you?
Go on over to www.themanurepile.com and join in with SmokeyQuinn and his sycophantic MORONS there. They would love to have another 9/11-Idiot join them in their sheep dung paddock as they molest ewes... sans condoms.
He should found, hauled to face justice here. And if has broken no laws than new ones should be created.
That's unconstitutional. Why do you hate America?
"If he has broken no laws then new ones should be created" ?????????????????????????????????????????????????
WTF are you smoking?
Can I please be the first to tell you to go and phuck yourself with a sharp and filthy stick from the woods?
Better yet, how's about we "create some new laws" that make the crap you spew a crime and lock you up.
You are openly advocating complete totalitarianism, advocating that people who have committed no crime other than speaking the truth be punished, and that if this is not yet a crime, that legislation should be created to make it so.
There are no words to express how scummy you are.
US Constitution: "...Congress shall MAKE NO ex post facto Law(s)..."
Jam it buddy -- either you're a real patriot or, most likely, a Progressive/Socialist shill. Judging by your calls for "new laws", I suspect you to be a Socialist.
political labels matter much less than the psychological ones
Although I am swayed as to the potentiality of Mr. Assange to be a plant as he is still alive, his candor strikes me as being authentic.
bubba1231,
The issue I am talking about here is the issue of RAPE and the issue of our civil liberties (which you don't seem to give a damn about). You are attempting to distract attention away from the issue that I raised.
Would YOU want to be arbitrarily thrown in jail for 2 years because you had consensual sex without a condom? Is this consistent in any way with a free republic?
I would appreciate a simple "yes" or "no" answer.
Thanks.
You want to clarify that it is consensual sex with the same species.
Assange is currently running second in Time's 2010 Person of the Year Award.
Behind Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Erdogan.
Who is himself implicated in several cables.
Cast Your vote here and now...
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2028734,...
The revolution will be leaked.
Wikid.
And that's no secret.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVVvpW_5vgw
Nice one. I like it!
Bernard, The answer is NO - he should not be persecuted or prosected if the "rape" is as you say. But the BIGGER issue is he is a criminal and a terrorist with blood on his hands. THAT is what he should prosecuted on. Now - did OBL commit 9/11?
"Now - did OBL commit 9/11?"
NO!
You A.D.D. MORON!
GET BACK IN YOUR SEAT DO SOME BASIC HOMEWORK!
ZH is not special class for helmeted retards just off the short bus.
Jeesus Kee-riste. Isn't it time for you to clock out, tool?
Even if you're collecting time-and-a-half.
Is that you Adolf?
So, let me get this straight. Nobody in government is making any effort at all to say any of this information is false.
They are basically saying - "Yes, we are all evil, two faced, scum lacking any honor or trace of truth or honor in our dealings, and we can't afford to have it revealed."
No apologies or shame at all for BEING scum, just anger at the public seeing the aweful truth.
Does anybody see a problem here?
Uh, destroying the messenger?
People have been saying that the leaks are either an extreme danger or "nothing new, nothing important". Both things can't be true. But both can be untrue. I would ask: who knew about the undisclosed murders of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans before they were leaked; or about "Collateral murder"; about the contents of the cable leaks? Can anyone say right now what's in the other 2,5 million documents that we want to stop so badly? Do we know what's in the bank documents WikiLeaks is about to post? Do we know what other things are being hidden from us? The short answer is "no". The only question is: "do we want to know"? Despite being sick and tired of seeing the ugly face of our political and economic system, my answer is still "YES".
DavidPierre,
No OBL had nothing do do with 9/11 or if he did it was in concert with the Bush Admin and the Obama admin as well - is this correct? You are an idiot my friend
Bubba, clock out and go home.
"CLASS !!! CLASS !! CLASS!"
{Damn I hate teaching these fucktards!}
"BUBBA !!! Stop picking your nose... take off your helmet ... get in your seat.
"Now... I know how hard it is for those of you here to read ... so I'm going to have a simple film for you today. Please stay awake ... try your hardest ... understand what all the big words and fancy, moving pictures are telling you."
"It is called...Fabled Enemies. There will be a short quiz after the movie ... pay attention!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM&feature=fvw
"BUBBA !! Get your filthy hands out of SmokeyQuinn's sheep-shit stained underwear! YOU TWO!... Sit Down !"
{Damn it!...Why always Special Class? ... MORONS off the short bus?}
Here is a pretty decent video playlist I found online. Pretty good. Covers both sides of the debate: http://www.youtube.com/user/prayfortruejustice?feature=mhum#p/c/98A652DEBE5C62DD/2/hnfQfBhfrMw
Nothing like a red pill enema and he's not even from Illinois.
"The intellectual void and political autism of America's diplomats is self-evident; they can only "understand" the Other: the world in terms of good guys and bad guys."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LL04Ak02.html
It's show time.
"And while a boredom-intolerant world awaits news of the Wikileaks creator's arrest, below is a complete transcript of what could be his last live interview before captivity."
or, more likely:
...below is a complete transcript of what could be his last interview...period. What are the odds that he will survive?
Martyrdom. Right up there with ideas.
Ideas. Right up there with revolutions.
Comes with the territory, I guess. Otherwise, being just another bullshitter is good enough.
And I am guessing Lieberman doesn't ever want to hear the 1812 Overture again either.
Here's one view of who Assange works for: http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/12/wikileaks-us-hits-back-at-israel/
Yeah... can't get my head around that. PsyOps for Mossad? I don't feel it.
Thursday December 2 5:00pm
http://archive.wbai.org/
Five OClock Shadow
From inside WBAI’s own studios: Underground WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. Excerpts from Julia n’s April 7, 2010 visit to WBAI, where he spoke with Emmanuel Goldstein and the Off The Hook crew about the WikiLeaks release of the Pentagon’s shocking fly-by snuff video of Iraqi civilians and a REUTERS photographer in the streets of Baghdad.Also, an interview with American University Communications Professor Christopher Simpson, on US military and intelligence capabilities to shut down WikiLeaks websites. Plus the latest world news.
Australians are not citizens, they are subjects; they do not have citizenship, they have nationality. It is unfortunate that this misconception is repeated again and again. Australia operates under common law, citizens fall in the jurisdiction of Roman law.
It is also important that all Australians become aware that the Prime Minister is currently charged with treason, and concealing treason. Both crimes come with a sentence of life imprisonment. These charges have been covered up by the judicial arm of the government. As the minister, other MPs and senators are aware of this, they are also committing the crime of concealing treason. As they are attainted with treason they cannot legally sit in parliament. Parliament is sitting illegally and ALL their actions have no lawful authority!
For more visit the following web site: http://www.elijahschallenge.net/legal.htm
If, as an Australian you become aware of this and take no action, you are also committing the crime of concealing treason.
I think it is high time we all contacted that Justice Anna Skarhed in Sweden who had initiated an investigation into the leaking of Assange's dossier to the tabloids by prosecutor Maria Kjellstrand.
Justice Skarhed can be reached at:
anna.skarhed@justitiekanslern.se
http://www.gearlog.com/2010/12/wikileaks_defended_by_ron_paul.php
Medal of Honor to Dr. Paul.
Would you expect less from a Man of Truth?
wow. I hope the released Bank documents break the fiscal blockade.
I want to focus on the substance of the leaks and the legality of their publication. I could give two shits about Assange on a personal level, hell we could all have a pop at doing the same thing. Is it a question of "i disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? or is it a question of "these are state secrets that only the qualified are allowed to see, because they are too stupid to know what's at stake".
The substance to me is around information that senior political figures say one thing and do another (no surprises there, how else would they ever be elected) but also that state department officials can supply and bias to influence state officials to a non a-political point of view.
Telling the truth is not a crime. Reporting the truth could be. Is the Government employed by the people, for the people and as a servant, OR is a Government employed to keep the people in the dark and play its own games with no possible checks and balances.
I would rather know that we have oversight of what they were doing and had done. If that makes diplomats and politicians uncomfortable then too bad. The oversight doesn't need to be public. It can be reviewed by a jury based system of reasonable men and women. Make it democratic oversight, in secret, but sure as hell dont let Foreign policy the preserve of diplomats and politicians. These people will generally promote friction, conflict and the imposition of rules like we see at airports.
oh and by the way..does anyone else notice a very slow response time in typing in comments? could this site (or any others like it that mention Assange) be being monitored as we type? WE CARE don't you know.
At first it felt a little weird, but now I'm comfortable with it. Yes, for those who are "too interested"in the wrong things and hang with the wrong people, i.e., post frequently at ZH, Dept of Homeland Security has assigned a special, secret personal friend who monitors each of us in the cyber-shadows. I've named mine Andrea and I try to keep her interested and entertained. I like to think she's come to undertand and care about me as a person--that she knows and appreciates me for who I truly am.
One day, when this untimely national disaster is behind us, I expect that we'll meet in real time and she'll open up to me as deeply as I have to her. I hope she has kids or wants to have them. We'll surely live happily ever after. I believe in her.
Good night, Andrea.
Seems Australia has abandond rule of law a human rights.
Basically saying they are willing to fit Assagne up with a charge one way or another. Good to see we learned so much from the USA.
Yes I too now am ashamed of my government.
It is apparent that Julian Assange is effectuating paranoia in the corrupt elite of the world. I view him as a hero, because he is slashing the innards of the beast and is really kicking up dissent to the status quo. He is a guardian of free speech and should be supported with much gusto. It disgusts me that sychophants like Jamie Dimon can keep their throne with no opposition from the regulatory field. I put full faith in Zero Hedge and Zero Hedgers et al for winning this fight against such a tyrannical regime. I spread the word whenever and wherever I can. There is nothing more abominable than a thief. Unfortunately, the universities in the field of finance and accounting do not support ethics. I recently completed a forensic accounting class which preached that one should not whistleblow, unless they were guaranteed that something would be done about the transgression. Utter fucking bullshit. Sharpen the guillotines and off with their heads!
You guys have any reason to believe that Soros is really involved re: WikiLeaks?
http://truthrss.com/2010/07/28/wikileaks-cointelpro/