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Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot "Point Blank In The Head" At Town Hall Event In Tucson

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 01/08/2011 14:25 -0400

From Breaking News: Local media is reporting Congresswoman Gabby Giffords, a Democrat, was shot ‘point blank in the head at a town-hall like event in northern Tucson. Is this the beginning?

Update from NBC News: Dem Party in Tucson saying Giffords taken to hospital, 5 others also shot. Shooter apparently in custody.

Update 2: from Fox Phoenix: 12 people shot at Gabby Giffords community meeting. Congresswoman among the injured, while CNN reports 6 dead and 15 wounded.

Update 3: NPR confirms Gifford has died.

Update 4: Reuters refuting the previous NPR news, and states that Giffords is still alive, in surgery, nine other patients brought in from shooting, per a hospital spokeswoman

The best coverage of this event we have found so far is, ironically, on Sky News:

And now it gets pathetically political: Breaking news reports that a liberal blogger blames Sarah Palin for Gabrielle Giffords assasination attempt.

“F*** it. I’m going there” One liberal blogger wrote on Saturday
after news of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot dead in point
blank range at a Tuscon rally. The blogger TBogg
blamed former Alaskan Governor Sarah Palin for the congresswoman’s
death after Palin named Giffords as one of her ‘targets’ during the 2010
mid-term elections. Palin was caught in controversy when she published on her Facebook
page a graphic that showed several ‘target’ districts, including
Giffords 8th district in Arizona.

Gawker has provided a description of the shooter:

A gunman indiscriminately fired into a crowd at a gathering for Democratic representative Gabrielle Giffords outside a Safeway in Tucson, Arizona this morning. Giffords and at least five others were shot, according to NPR. The gunman was tackled and arrested.

Update: We spoke to an eyewitness, Steven Rayle who
was on the scene at the time of the shooting and helped to hold the
suspect down while waiting for police. Here's what he said:

The event was very informal: Gifford had set up a table outside the
Safeway and about 20-30 people were gathered to talk to her. The gunman,
who may have come from inside the Safeway, walked up and shot Gifford
in the head first. According to Rayle, who is a former ER doctor,
Gifford was able to move her hands after being shot.

After shooting Gifford, the gunman opened fire indiscriminately for a
few seconds, hitting a number of people, including a kid no older than
10 years old. Rayle hid behind a concrete pole and pretended to be dead.
When the gunman apparently ran out of ammunition he attempted to flee,
but a member of Gifford's staff tackled him. The Rayle helped hold him
down while waiting for the sheriff to arrive, about 15-or 20 minutes
later. 30 minutes later the EMS came. Rayle said he was "stunned" by how
long it took medical help to arrive.

The man was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short
hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or
while being held down. He didn't look like a businessman, but more of a
"fringe character," our source said.

From Giffrods Wikipedia page:

Gabrielle Giffords (born June 8, 1970) is the U.S. Representative for Arizona's 8th congressional district. She is a member of the Democratic Party.

She is the only member of the U.S. Congress whose spouse, astronaut Mark E. Kelly, is an active duty member of the U.S. military.^[1]

Giffords is known as a strong proponent of solar energy as well as for her work to secure the border with Mexico.^[2] ^[3]

Giffords was first sworn in as a congresswoman on January 3, 2007.
She is the third woman in Arizona's history to be elected to serve in
the U.S. Congress. In her inaugural speech on the floor of the House of
Representatives, Giffords said a comprehensive immigration reform
package needs to include modern technology to secure the border, more
border patrol agents, tough employer sanctions for businesses that
knowingly hire illegal immigrants, and a guest-worker program. In her
first month in office, Congresswoman Giffords voted to support increased
federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, raising the minimum wage, endorsing the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission,
and supporting new rules for the House of Representatives targeting
ethical issues. Giffords also voted to repeal subsidies to big oil
companies and invest the savings in renewable energy. "We put our national security at risk by relying on oil from unstable regimes in the Middle East and Latin America," Giffords told her colleagues in a speech on the House floor during debate on the Clean Energy Act. The act repeals $14 billion in subsidies given to oil companies and establishes a Strategic Renewable Energy Reserve to increase research in clean renewable energy, to develop greater energy efficiency, and to improve energy conservation.

During the 2007 session of Congress, Giffords introduced a bill (H.R. 1441)^[4] that forbids the sale of F-14 aircraft parts on the open market.^[5] She also voted for the contentious May 2007 Iraq Emergency Supplemental Spending bill,
saying, "I cannot, in good conscience, allow the military to run out of
money while American servicemen and women are being attacked every
day".^[6]

Giffords is a member of the Blue Dog Coalition and the New Democrat Coalition.

More as we see it.

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Sun, 01/09/2011 - 02:59 | 861268 Dr. Sandi

Never bring a bathtub to a gunfight

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 09:56 | 861608 velobabe

yeah in the 70's, damn doctor's would tell us pregnant woman not to take showers. i finally had to ask why in the hell not take a shower? hot water damage to the fetus? no he said, laughing, you might slip in the bath tub and hurt yourself! what the fuck, ?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:08 | 859544 FatFingered

Dubs! Dat chu?

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 04:56 | 861339 thegr8whorebabylon

ACHTUNG BITCHEZ

LINK IN NEXT POST INFECTED

DO NOT CLICK LINK BELOW

VIRUS WARNING!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:28 | 859589 Captain Benny

"Beginning of what, exactly?" Well... this is what: http://stashbox.org/1052758/map2.png

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:57 | 860107 darkaeye

BEWARE OF ABOVE LINK! Highly infected site.

Captain Contagion is more like it. Asshole.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:31 | 860395 Eric Cartman

I reported it to IC3. Also emailed the guy and told him. He called me a doucewad. lol.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 22:26 | 860709 Captain Benny

Please tell me how a standard PNG "infected" you and why you're using such a shitty browser if that is the case. This is the map that Sarah's PAC put on her website.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:34 | 859676 Thanatos

The beginning of the Gifford Gun Control Act of 2011.

1. There was NO Law Enforcement closer than 15 minutes away from this scene.

2. At a Congresswoman's PUBLIC OUTDOOR meeting.

3. Remeber James Brady? Shot in head. Wheelchair bound. Brady Bill.

4. This is Way too obvious.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:42 | 859733 rampancy777

+++ 1 ton .999 fine silver

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:07 | 859872 Terminus C

That is a likely motive, also she may have been leaning away from voting for the debt ceiling raise.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:42 | 860248 Cistercian

+inconvenient second amendment repeal...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:32 | 860399 Eric Cartman

It was a Safeway. One would assume that if you're at a Safeway, you'll be safe. I guess I was wrong. Maybe the police should patrol all areas, even Safeways.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 01:49 | 861155 Dr. Sandi

Dammit Cartman. Sometimes you make sense.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:58 | 860114 Adam Neira

Prayers for Gabby Giffords and the other victims of this attack.

For all the cynics out there...Believe it or not there are many righteous people who go into public office because they are sincerely motivated by altruism. Anarchy as a system will not work, thus we need government. What the correct command and control structure for the world and nations should be is another matter.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:35 | 860224 goldfish1

there are many righteous people who go into public office because they are sincerely motivated by altruism.

Voted YES on criminalizing oil cartels like OPEC. (May 2007)

Commitment to unbreakable U.S.-Israel bond. (Mar 2010)

Unbreakable? Useful pawn, then?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:45 | 860426 tmosley

Don't forget about the yes vote on TARP.

If I had a list, that would be enough to get on it.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 21:55 | 860645 Hedge Jobs

Commitment to unbreakable U.S.-Israel bond. (Mar 2010)

What else would you expect from a zionist jewish member of congress?

"I am a lifetime member of Hadassah and now a member of Congregation Chaverim"

"HADASSAH, the Women's Zionist Organization of America (key beneficiary of Maddoff's crimes) is a volunteer women's organization whose members are motivated and inspired to strengthen their partnership with Israel, ensure Jewish continuity, and realize their potential as a dynamic force in American society." This is from the hadassah website but the brackets are mine.

Hopefully she makes it for her family and friends sake but would be a greater loss to zionist, rather than American interests by the looks of things if she doesn't.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 23:43 | 860883 Cathartes Aura

ahh, this would help explain why she was "recruited" to run for Congress by Rahm Emanuel. . . (as reported in the WSJ today)

(disclaimer: I don't do "sides")

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 01:18 | 861101 Hedge Jobs

correct! Another zionist shill "selected" from the top down. Not to be confused with "elected" from the bottom up.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:12 | 860166 Arch Duke Ferdinand

The beginning of Big Brother initiating subversive acts in order to gain more control over US Citizens.

Big Brother Wall Street, Federal Reserve, entrenched Washington Politicians,picked an ideal candidate to scare the crap out of its citizens.

Now when you see the troops out on the street, citizens will feel safe.

CIA CIA CIA

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:39 | 860236 Bob

Judge for yourself: Here's the shooter's video channel, where he lays out his views in his own words . . .

http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10

Strange that it's still up--it is clearly the same guy.

Note that his favorite video is "America: Your Last Memory In A Terrorist."

It appears strongly likely that he is mentally ill--exhibits a strangely incoherent obsession with mind control and "dreamers."

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 23:47 | 860892 frankoo

Wonder if he post on ZH?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 21:11 | 860501 Hedge Jobs

"Beginning of what, exactly?"

Off with their heads perhaps?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 22:27 | 860711 Cursive

Beginning of what, exactly?

The start of the end of Leo's solars. Duh.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 23:53 | 860912 caconhma

Close to 3,000 people will be killed today as a result of violent crimes and car accidents. This is the same number of people killed on the 9/11.

However, nobody somehow care about these 3,000 people killed today. Somehow they are not important.

Somehow a congresswoman from Arizona is important but the other 3,000 Americans killed today and, for this matter, killed every single day in America are not important.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:30 | 858852 the mad hatter

Tragic..

Expect more gun control laws promptly.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:33 | 858858 thefatasswilly

More gun control laws is indeed tragic.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:21 | 859063 JohnKing

I see the corupt media outlets are in a tizzy trying to figure out how to make this partisan but they are both lobbying hard for more police state.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:43 | 859445 Michael

It only takes 565 bullets to kill every member of Congress and the Senate.

People kill people, Not guns.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:21 | 859596 RichardP

Actually, it's the bullets that kill people - not people or guns.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:57 | 860302 Michael

Actually, it's the people who put the bullets in the guns that kill people.

The people who push the nuke button kill people too.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:31 | 858855 duncecap rack

Horrifying.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:33 | 858860 thefatasswilly

Horrifying? How so?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:46 | 858901 bob_dabolina

You fuckin' idiot.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:47 | 858910 thefatasswilly

If you're going to call someone as intelligent as I am an idiot, at least explain why you are doing so, or you take the huge risk of looking like a dumbfuck yourself.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:55 | 858931 bob_dabolina

How is a woman getting murdered in cold blood and innocent people injured not horryifing?

How do you feel about torturing puppies and children being raped?

Psycopath.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:59 | 858952 thefatasswilly

Many, many women get murdered in cold blood on a daily basis. Most are more innocent than this woman.

I abhor the idea of puppies getting tortured, but children getting raped?

I assume you mean human children. Meh. Couldn't really give a shit. Your view of humanity is grossly distorted.

Perhaps you place so much emphasis on this ONE woman because she's white? Because she's in congress? How is she so much more important than all the others who are murdered in cold blood on a daily basis?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:07 | 858982 bob_dabolina

You have a point.

I only feel empathy for white woman in congress.

Shit...you are smart.

One day you will be raped by a ravanous pack of silver back gorrillas. I will pray for your swift recovery. Jesus loves you.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:21 | 859022 thefatasswilly

Ravenous*

If you want to insult my intelligence, at least learn how to spell 6th grade vocabulary words correctly, shithead.

I simply find it curious that the numerous cries for the assassination of individuals such as Ben Bernanke are met with praise on this website, yet the murder of this woman is "horrifying."

Of course, my curiosity only elicits numerous "insults" (I use quotes because they can barely be classified as insults) about my intellect, race, manhood, etc. No answers.

Anyways, this leads me to conclude that even on this website, where the posters are definitely of above average intellect, people are, in general, fucking morons.

How do you like your CD?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:34 | 859123 High Plains Drifter

Now wait just a fucking minute. :)

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:59 | 859233 thefatasswilly

"in general" :)

I like your posts. Definitely not stupid. Very rare.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:04 | 859250 LowProfile

the numerous cries for the assassination of individuals such as Ben Bernanke are met with praise on this website

You're an idiot, or you don't read the comments much, cuz that dont hardly happen here at all.

Even if someone acutally thought the bernank should be whacked, nobody here is stupid enough to call for the assasination of anyone on a public forum. 'Cept maybe you.

Jail? That's another thing.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:08 | 859278 thefatasswilly

LOL

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:08 | 859271 robertocarlos

We're not all serious about assassinating BB or others. That would solve nothing. BB would be gone and some other numb nuts would take his place and enact the same program.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:47 | 859454 oddjob

"horrifying."

Hey Miss Crabapple,you quoted your period.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:23 | 860373 MayIMommaDogFac...

MayIMommaDogFace2theBananaPatch's picture

PUCU

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:49 | 859467 scratch_and_sniff

Jesus loves you=You will rot in hell. Don’t you just love the cutesy sayings of the biblical folk? At one fell swoop they manage to confirm they're own suspicions of how fucked up they're idea of Jesus is, while simultaneously trying to torture a mans mind with concepts of eternal damnation expressed through acts of love. Marvellous!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:27 | 859624 RichardP

Most folks do rot in hell. Study the definition. Hell = hades = the place where dead people live = the grave.

What else could he have meant? Rot in a situation where you are eternally consumed by flames? How could one rot under those conditions? The heat kills the bacteria necessary for rot.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:53 | 859797 scratch_and_sniff

errr? pretty speechless here to be honest. Don’t think i'll be arguing with you over that one, you’re obviously just looking for an opportunity to regurgitate your encyclopaedic knowledge of titbit mundane tripe.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 21:57 | 860646 RichardP

Scratch - your larger point seems to be that folks often use phrases when they have no idea of the phrases' actual meaning. My intent was to support your point. Happy New Year.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 22:25 | 860708 scratch_and_sniff

My sincerest apologies rick, you are a gentleman and a scholar and more fool me for not getting your scarcasm. But did you really need to make me feel like a cnut with the happy new year jibe? Thats a step too far.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 23:56 | 860920 RichardP

Then, Crabby New Year to you and yours. There, feel better?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:12 | 859290 Lord Koos

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:00 | 858956 thefatasswilly

DP fuck yeah

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:16 | 859316 bankrupt JPM bu...

So. We have come full circle now. Look at what she supported. 9/11 commssion? I think this loss for AMERICA is good. This loss for her family is obviously tragic. Expect more of this. Its better for America, one by one we shall see the light. She must have pissed off JPM, BAC, Soros, or a Rothchild. Fuck it.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:15 | 859566 Raymond K Hessel

You misspelled psychopath.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:31 | 858856 CrockettAlmanac.com

Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot This Morning Posted by Jim Nintzel on Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:22 AM

NPR reports:

U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona was shot outside a grocery store in Tucson while holding a public event, Arizona Public Media reported Saturday.
Giffords, who was re-elected to her third term in November, was hosting her first "Congress on Your Corner" event at the Safeway in northwest Tucson when a gunman ran up and started shooting, according to Peter Michaels, news director of Arizona Public Media.

At least five other people, including members of her staff, were hurt. Giffords was transported to University Medical Center in Tucson. Her condition was not immediately known.

Giffords was talking to a couple when the man ran up, firing indiscriminately, and then ran off, Michaels said. According to other witnesses, the was tackled by a bystander and taken into custody.

More details to come.

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/TheRange/archives/2011/01/08/congresswoman-g...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:33 | 858861 walcott

mexican drug cartel?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:44 | 858886 bob_dabolina

Well...

Embryonic stem cell research - Religious Fanatic

Reducing $14 billion in subsidies to oil companies

9/11 commission....use your imagination

Whatever it is she sounds like a good woman and I hope she is at peace. Its a terrible tragedy when anything like this happens and I hope her family the best.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:13 | 859019 JW n FL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1pjH5_msR4&feature=related

Rep. Gabrielle Giffords vs. reality

Fuck that Dead Cunt!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:21 | 859062 Cathartes Aura

no doubt you would.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:25 | 859084 chumbawamba

OH SNAP.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:58 | 859231 JW n FL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TSriY16rI

Rep. Giffords Questions Defense Secretary Robert Gates 5.13.09

She is a Faker... she is a (Oops!), WAS! a Twit.. one less dumbass in Congress to screw us all over..

Pretty Face, sure... but dumb as a box of Rocks... how many video's do I need to post?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:15 | 859308 Lord Koos

How many comments do you need to post before everyone realizes you're a mean-spirited prick?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:51 | 859473 JW n FL

I guess the end around sarcasm... ala Palin is just to, too much for you to rap your head around?

its ok... breath....... ok let it out.... do that a few times... get a hold of your brain, wrestle it back from your emotions...

now, try to type something that is meaningful... not an attack on my color... something real, something from inside yourself.. something telling about yourself.

help the cloud put you in the right box.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 02:34 | 861228 strannick

Is that a rewrite of someone's grade 9 poetry submission?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:19 | 860363 UninterestedObserver

Sorry but if it is the politicians and bankers fault for the destruction of this country what is the appropriate response when a politician or bankster dies?

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 01:20 | 861107 JW n FL

How many Trillion dollars have been stolen from you and I? and I am supposed to cry when one of them gets kicked off the planet? the deserves a fucking medal... not for why he did does he deserve the medal, but becuase of the fact that he did it.

Fuck them and anyone that Loves them too... I hope all of them and thier lovers die, tomorrow is good for me.

But yes, I agree.. why do I care about them.. they have robbed my mother blind in the stock market. FUCK THEM ALL!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:15 | 859311 robertocarlos

I see premium gasoline is 2.88 a gallon. The horror.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:24 | 859948 goldfish1

Unleaded $ 3.11 out my way.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:42 | 859437 malikai

Instead of watching party propaganda, why not watch the original video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KASenRGQo54

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:08 | 859540 LudwigVon

Sad she was not just voted out, however this video is short & interesting.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 19:01 | 860129 boiow

you are showing your own lack of humanity with comments like that.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 00:03 | 860942 frankoo

Whew!!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:43 | 859160 High Plains Drifter

If it was a anti government type, he probably would have been a older man, not some young guy dressed in black. This shooter sounds like one of those brain washed monarch open eyes assassins.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:56 | 859217 Eternal Student

No, she was as corrupt as the rest. She was one of the strongest supporters in the nation of the H1-B program, which is designed to replace local labor with the cheapest available. Arizona has a terrible track record there.

That said, it's still no excuse for invalidating the votes of many by cold blooded murder.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:33 | 858862 CitizenPete

This will get interesting now. Fire up the teleprompter and the anti-gun legislation.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 00:48 | 861051 nachtliche

Actually this story illustrates why the right to bear arms is so important. 15 minutes for law enforcement to arrive, 30 minutes for medical. Criminals will always have guns. If you want protection, you have to defend yourself. Law enforcement is under no legal obligation to, nor any other government agency. Less life may have been lost, if there were good citizens in the area exercising their constitutional right.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:34 | 858875 ColonelCooper

Fortunately for you FUCKSTIK, the right to bear arms people are sitting at home watching the news just like you.

JUNKED

***The comment to which I was replying has since been removed. Please disregard.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:51 | 859198 JW n FL

Pre-Ban Prices will now start going up... up... and away!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:58 | 859230 Cindy_Dies_In_T...

JW-you are a nutjob. I hope the black helicopters pay you a visit.

In the alternative, I hope Marla erases you from existence on this site, even if it would only be symbolically since you would only reincarnate with another troll name.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:32 | 859385 Rula Lenska

Where have you been? Marla's history since about mid-December.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:10 | 859551 LudwigVon

Supporting censure is embarrassing for you.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:39 | 858877 harveywalbinger

How do you know who is responsible? Just as likely it was the very government you so admire.

Disingenuous retard.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:46 | 858903 LoneStarHog

99.99% of gun violence is committed by CRIMINALS with UNREGISTERED firearms. The latest FBI report indicates that with Concealed Weapon Permits on the RISE, gun-related crimes (especially murder) is on the DECLINE.

F**KSTICK RETARDED LIBERAL is being too kind...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:47 | 858908 bob_dabolina

Yep

...guns kill people, people don't kill people.

You nailed it.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:02 | 858971 Careless Whisper

if the congresswoman was packin', she could have defended herself and shot the loser.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:19 | 859046 hbjork1

Knives were big in Europe before firearms were invented. Actually, people kill a lot of animals that aren't needed for food, including other people.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 01:53 | 861161 Dr. Sandi

Actually, people kill a lot of animals that aren't needed for food, including other people.

The rule should be that if you kill somebody, you have to eat them. Otherwise it's just a sport and that's probably wrong.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:24 | 859072 hbjork1

Duplicate.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:01 | 858960 fearsomepirate

He has a point. When you buy any Smith & Wesson product, you are required to sign a form affirming that you will murder a moderate Democrat within the next year.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:05 | 858978 nmewn

"More stupid gun nuts (surprise, surprise). The lady wins an election. She should ahve the right to serve. That's what democracy is about. But NO, the "right to bear arms" folks don't think they have to live by the same rules."

I'm junk #27 you asswipe.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:11 | 859011 traderjoe

The comment will be gone soon...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:12 | 859013 ColonelCooper

I was quite proud to be junk #1.

The ONE AND ONLY tidbit of info. coming across the wire that points to a "Right to Bear Arms" nut is that apparently the death toll is stacking up, meaning that the shooter actually knew what he/she was doing.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:27 | 859092 Uncle Remus

Which means it is starting to smell like a professional job.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:38 | 859133 nmewn

A pro would have capped her from across the street, not waded into a crowd, unload & get caught.

I'm saying mentally deranged leftwing anarchist, laid off public employee/teacher or some idiot tied up in knots over immigration.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:48 | 859186 ColonelCooper

I would be able to swallow professionaly handled.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:53 | 859208 nmewn

From an update above;

"The man was young, mid-to-late 20s, white clean-shaven with short hair and wearing dark clothing and said nothing during the shooting or while being held down. He didn't look like a businessman, but more of a "fringe character," our source said."

Is it too early for me to take a bow on my leftist anarchist prediction? ;-)

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:04 | 859248 Uncle Remus

That he kept his mouth shut is telling.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:08 | 859277 LowProfile

Joe Stack Jr?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:17 | 859319 High Plains Drifter

Should be good for at least a week's worth of MSM news distractions.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:26 | 859364 Armchair Bear

The most logical, sane comment yet...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 21:45 | 860610 Nikao7

+1000

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:35 | 859399 malikai

...While gold goes to $2000.. Maybe.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:39 | 859416 High Plains Drifter

If we metalheads would be so lucky? ha ha .

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:31 | 859657 Raymond K Hessel

I read that too. I thought to myself, "WTF does a fringe character look like?"

Then I did some extensive research and found the most likely image.

http://www.doyouconvert.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/hamburglar.g...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:29 | 860390 MayIMommaDogFac...

Yep. Spends a lot of time hanging out over by the Happy Meals too.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:06 | 859259 Uncle Remus

Very plausible.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:58 | 859226 Uncle Remus

Perhaps. Not discounting anything and I sure can't believe anything in the MSM. There is a big difference between holes in a target and killing a human. Accuracy does not favor the amateur.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:41 | 859152 Mike2756

Are you kidding? If it were a pro, you'd never see them.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:57 | 859222 Mr Lennon Hendrix

Shooter, if not a pro, had planned every move. He hit her first, coming out of the grocer. He planned on getting caught. He would not have wasted a bullet on a child otherwise. He would have saved his clip. The shooter could have been nuts on his own, but it also sounds like an MK Ultra job. Either way it is tragic. Congress to not leave their ivory towers from now on? TSA on the street corners? How will the all powerful powers that are being descipline their lowly lower class they rule over? Something will give here, hopefully it will not be a proclaimed confiscation of a born right to own a gun, walk on the street, and pee without the government watching.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:08 | 859276 High Plains Drifter

Do they have people walking around living what appears to be normal lives, that can be set off with a phone call and some words be uttered in their ears, words, that immediately change them into another one of their many personalities, and then they go off and do what it is they have been programmed to do, kind of like in that Charles Bronson movie, "Telefon" . His handler was probably parked nearby watching. Most of the time, these people , after doing what they are supposed to do, is commit suicide. This sounds like something along these lines. The object is to cause alarm and using the hegelian dialectic, problem, reaction , solution, the government now, will clamp down on guns , and make it look like and sound like, they are trying to protect us from ourselves. It is so nice ,that they so truely care so much for us.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:20 | 859335 Mr Lennon Hendrix

John P. Wheeler, Portland Christmas bomber, Fort Hood shooter, underwear bomber, Maryland package bombs, IRS plane bomber, all have connections to the government. It should be asked if this is another of the last year's psy-ops.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:48 | 859450 High Plains Drifter

Well the whole thing doesn't add up, not really. First off its a woman, and she to what I can find out, is not so much the focal point of any rage against the machine, etc. So why here and why now? Hmmm? Now the MSM is playing up the "poor woman" stuff to the max. Now the FBI is setting up shop there and also Homeland insecurity scumbags etc. Tehy are saying now on FOX that she was very pro second amendment...

Now they are saying he used a auto gun. That's just great..........damn it........

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:14 | 859565 malikai

Tea Party weakens dem majority in congress, takes majority of the house. Tea Party must be politically weakened and alienated in order to prevent the perceived threat from the likes of Ron Paul and others on the Fed. Perhaps it is easier to weaken the tea partiers than it would be to kill RP like they did JFK.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:38 | 860028 goldfish1

GOA (Gun Owners of America)

gunowners.org/111hrat.htm

House Ratings for the 112th Congress

Giffords -D

D & D- Leans Anti-Gun: usually against us.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 00:23 | 860993 frankoo

Just when my concealed handgun license is about to renew.

Sun, 01/09/2011 - 00:23 | 860995 frankoo

Just when my concealed handgun license is about to renew.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:41 | 859435 Gully Foyle

Mr Lennon Hendrix

Here is a thought, maybe she was NOT the target. Maybe he was there for another woman and shot the first one who looked similar.

Maybe he was a jilted boy toy of the congress woman.

I've read this far down and damn near everyone is assuming that it was a hit on the congresswoman because she was the high profile person in the group. Everyone is assuming it is politically motivated when there are hundreds of other reasons.

But now it WILL be politically motivated. Now it will be spun and spun until the original intent is lost in goofy rhetoric from all sides.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:49 | 859464 High Plains Drifter

It might be just as simple a thing as you have stated. It is quite possible.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:55 | 859492 Gully Foyle

High Plains Drifter

Doesn't matter now the spin has started.

Kelly Noble: Bob Roberts is yet another of that faction that lives to destroy whatever good came out of the 60s, to rewrite the history of that important period. A period where the American people actually were informed and aware, and realized that they had a voice. They demanded that a war end. Bob Roberts is Nixon, only he's shrewder, more complicated, this Bob Roberts. Now here is a man who has adopted the persona and mindset of a free-thinking rebel and turned it on itself. The Rebel Conservative! That is deviant brilliance. What a Machiavellian poser.

....

"The truth needs to be shaped, molded and framed!" -- Reverend Fred Sultan (SAMUEL L. JACKSON)

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 22:07 | 860669 minus dog

Anyone talking about the shooting using the term "clip" is probably inherently unqualified to pass judgement on it. In any case, even if he was the only shooter he was only just over half way through his first magazine before someone in the crowd shot him and people jumped him.

There is nothing skilled or professional about this. A handgun is not really the right tool for laying into a crowd of people, but even an untrained individual could accomplish this result. The guy was not a soldier, let alone a combat vet - he tried to join and was rejected.

I don't actually expect much fallout to come from this. Oh, they'll try, but it's still just some idiot (or idiots) taking pot shots at some people. It's not like we're talking about a replay of the OKC bombing here... (although plenty would just love to see it.. in fact, I recall several op-eds from a month or so ago bemoaning the lack of such a thing to turn around the O-tard's sagging poll numbers)

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:15 | 860354 UninterestedObserver

No sh*t - how many 22 non military types can walk into a crowd, not say a word and kill 5-6 people and not be trained? Go read all of the shootings last year J6P loses his marbles shoots 100 rounds and maybe kills 2 people if any but this guy happens to be highly efficient?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 22:10 | 860680 minus dog

Someone with a basic level of handgun proficiency (which is really not nearly as common as it should be, given the number of idiots with handguns) could do it just fine.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:01 | 859239 Dr. Engali

It's not the right to bear arms group. The "gun nuts" register their guns and abide by the laws. It's the criminals that have illegal guns who commit acts like this. Having said that, this is probably a false flag to use as an appeasement tool for gun grabbers like you,and as an excuse to crack down on guns. What better candidate...an attractive newly elected democrat female married to an astronaut mother of two in a conservative gun supporting state. Every thing they need for a media feeding frenzy. I pray for her and for her family.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:20 | 859336 Lord Koos

The amount of nut-job theories on this thread about the perp are ridiculous. No doubt this was some lone nut-case with a gun. As far as knowing what he was doing, it doesn't take a genius to know how to kill someone with a gun at point-blank range.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:24 | 859354 Uncle Remus

Not to mention AZ is already on administrations shit list.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:50 | 859469 High Plains Drifter

Yeh, ever since that business with the border situation.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:08 | 859547 Dr. Engali

And she has an anti immigrant stance in opposition with her president. Perfect candidate to take out and move his agenda along.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 18:02 | 859850 Uncle Remus

“You know, actually as a former Republican, you know, I consider myself someone who is pretty in the middle, I’m a blue dog Democrat, and one that is interested in making sure that our country maintains our prosperity and frankly, our superiority over other countries and that’s where we look at these threat, obviously our defense budget, our level of education,” she said in an interview with Fox this week.

http://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2011/01/08/giffords-shot-in-head-in-tucso...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:47 | 859759 Uncle Remus

Apparently, Janet isn't putting in the good word for her home state with the powers that be.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:36 | 859099 Pseudo Anonym

did it ever occur to you that it is most likely the "gov't" getting, conveniently, rid of one of its own to get morons like you to support the disarming of the general population so the elites could (a) get away with the loot unharmed; (b) suppress general uprising w/o resistance? Why are you so stupid and fucked up? That's what I want to know.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:38 | 859410 destraht

I agree with this sentiment.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:54 | 859484 High Plains Drifter

After all that has happened, we have to allow for the distinct possibility that this is indeed the case. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize they want the guns and they want them badly and will use whatever excuse to do what they want to do.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:50 | 859785 aerojet

Well, regardless, they're not getting them. The world has already witnessed what happens when people are disarmed.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:16 | 859577 malikai

+1 for false flag possibility

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:39 | 858870 ZeroPower

28 weeks...youre not exactly new here.

You should know, by that statement, the authors are implying (as usual) it is THE END OF THE WORLD!!11!

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:40 | 858871 thefatasswilly

Holy shit you're still here. If ZH is a disease, get the fuck out, moron.

"Is this the beginning?" refers to the countless calls on this website (and in other places, I'm sure) for the assassination (mostly from hanging on lampposts) of important members of the American political and financial elite.

But, of course, you're too stupid to grasp this. Shut the fuck up, holy fuck.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:39 | 858879 Sean7k

Based on your various comments, it would appear YOU are the disease.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:55 | 858917 freeboundary

Nothing is wrong for you to criticize the wrong( in your opinion) question, but generalizing your criticism to ZH itself is absurd. Besides, why do you spend time here to read and write if you think ZH is disease? Apparently, you are a true disease.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:55 | 858927 Twindrives

Fuck you francismarion....... and all who think like you do.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 21:13 | 860509 done with them all

deland?

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 20:06 | 858953 equity_momo

If ZH is a disease , the disease would be cancer. And the host would be the Oligarchs which run govns.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 17:52 | 859789 MsCreant

by francismarion
on Sat, 01/08/2011 - 13:34
#858864

This article offers not possible explanation for why it should pose the question, 'Is this the beginning?'

Zero Hedge is a disease.

As you get ready to be wiped out of existence at junk 47, I will repost your words so that folks can keep junking you, you POS.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:35 | 858866 Spalding_Smailes

In Arizona everyone can carry a gun. Works great and cuts down on crime but some wacko can go off..., gun shops/shows very common in Arizona...

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 14:57 | 858943 Red Neck Repugnicant

Spalding, I've got some very unfortunate news for you...

On a score of 1 to 100 (100 being the highest) Tucson scores a 1 in crime/safety. I'm not sure if a zero score is even possible.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/tucson/crime/

Phoenix scores a 4.

http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/az/phoenix/crime/

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:13 | 859008 Spalding_Smailes

Sorry,

Lots of meth,coke,pills ect ... It has some real shitty area's, scum.

Not sure how many people will hold up a store if 6 other people have guns in that same store ? I bet a lot of scumbags think long and hard before breaking in a window or car .... or a quick gas station holdup, who has a gun ?????

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 15:31 | 859108 Uncle Remus

Actually, they don't even think twice. I left the Phoenix area for a number of reasons, crime being in the top 5.

Sat, 01/08/2011 - 16:24 | 859356 Bananamerican

mexico and mexicans SUCK

Congresswoman Gabby Giffords Shot "Point Blank In The Head" At Town Hall Event In Tucson

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