Contrary To Previous Lies, Greece May Not Be Able To Access Capital Markets After All; Likely To See 50% Creditor Haircuts

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Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:48 | 1166262 slaughterer
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Bullish!

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:23 | 1166387 Id fight Gandhi
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Pig fight. Oink oink!

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 16:33 | 1166680 Fox Moulder
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Which fucking dip should I buy?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 07:37 | 1168147 Harlequin001
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all of 'em...

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 16:46 | 1166736 Ethics Gradient
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I see this type of comment several times a day on ZH. It still makes me chuckle.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 03:54 | 1168037 Michael
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I want those stupid Greeks to become debt slave aficionados for life. If Americans can put up with having their children molested at airports, those fucking Greeks can put up with being debt slaves forever.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:51 | 1166265 Yield2Greatness
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Billions and Billions in bailouts just doesn't buy what you would expect anymore.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:04 | 1166324 redpill
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At some point soon when the EU has come apart at the seams, when emerging market inflation gets entirely out of control, and reality really starts smacking people in the face, there will be a sudden awareness that the United States has yet to take any material austerity measures, that our central bank continues to feed the flames of global inflation, and our officials (elected and otherwise) continue to pretend it is not happening.  There will be a growing global anger directed at America that will make all this blowback from the terrorists look like elementary school recess.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:18 | 1166372 LowProfile
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There will be a growing global anger directed at America that will make all this blowback from the terrorists look like elementary school recess.

USD repudiation would fit that bill

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:21 | 1166373 jus_lite_reading
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I"m afraid you're right. That anger will also spread to Germany where their real unemploymnet has fallen from 10% to now just over 7% and getting better each day while our real unemployment goes up on a daily basis. Now well over 20% if count the 99weekers.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:49 | 1166266 samseau
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So, if in the end, after all the bailouts, the result is that creditors still get haircuts as if Greek had defaulted years ago, why do bailouts in the first place?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:53 | 1166277 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly what many people have been saying for a long time.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 07:43 | 1168148 Harlequin001
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because it buys another two years of 'normality'...

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 07:45 | 1168152 Harlequin001
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did I say two years, I meant a year, no I meant six months, or maybe two months, or maybe a week, 24 hours or even a few minutes...

eventually.

Then Kabooom...

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:53 | 1166278 Yield2Greatness
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Gives time for the rich to get out of town with the loot.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:56 | 1166291 Sudden Debt
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It looked like a good idea at the time.

 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 21:25 | 1167526 Bringin It
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Gives time for the rich to get out of town with the loot.

Once more with feeling.

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 01:08 | 1167950 Blank Reg
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If the banks do take a haircut, this will be good news for Iceland (yea). The UK and Holland may stop huffing and puffing and trying to blow their house down. (Don't ya just love that pluckey little country?)

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:51 | 1166267 kaiserhoff
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50-60 percent hair cuts...

And this is where kick the can finally ends, and interest rates start to reflect risk.  Whatever markets you're in, lookout below.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 17:04 | 1166796 JLee2027
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+

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:52 | 1166282 Sudden Debt
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RAISE THE RATES AGAIN!!!

THAT WILL FIX THEIR PROBLEMS!!!

 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:54 | 1166284 MacedonianGlory
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Socialists in Greece always lied.

Greeks suffer of the Socialist Regime.

Help us to restore Democracy

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:29 | 1166382 redpill
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Democracy is what got you Socialism.

What you need is a Republic with rule of law to limit government, protect personal property and stop the mob from binging on public coffers endlessly.  Of course even Republics are vulnerable to corruption, corporatism, and an eventual slide into oligarchy.  But it takes a lot longer than with Democracy, as it takes longer than one vote to undermine Constitutional law.  If America is any indication, it takes about 150 years before you really start to lose prosperity permanently to the oligarchy.  After that I'd say it'll wind up taking another 100 years before the people are awake and pissed off enough to overthrow the government and start over.

Of all people on earth, the Greeks should understand this process better than anyone.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:39 | 1166448 magpie
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Queue fraudulent regime change /coup, excellent, as long as you stay in ze Eurozone.

Just give Deutsche Bank a head start before you default...

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:49 | 1166494 falak pema
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Caramanlis was not a socialist. He was the prime scam starter, after the military fascist coup ended. He sold his country to the bankstas and demolished all State structures, due diligence. But that is an OLD story in Greece. It is the country of the house of the Atreus, Dukaks, Comnenos. The country always belonged to these Oligarchs since time immemorial. Pericles was just a small but remarkable  episode in this long Greek history of despots. Capito??

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:56 | 1166295 whisperin
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The bigger question is will these haircuts hit some of our hallowed institutions (insert here) and what dominoes will follow?

Thu, 04/14/2011 - 07:55 | 1168175 Harlequin001
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No, when you look at how your money is created it is created from nothing. When it is destroyed it is returned to nothing.

The Fed will now simply print up another shit load of dollars, buy up the defaulted debt and return it to the Treasury in exchange for dollars. The Treasury will shred the defaulted debt and the Fed will shred the currency thereby balancing the balance sheet, destroying the defaulted debt and a commensurate amount of dollars. The Treasury will immediately print up another T Bill and sell it to the Fed, which will create another shit load of dollars from nothing with which to buy it et voila, no losses for everyone. Fuckin magic that one...

That's why European banks go to the discount window, because only the Fed can do this...

of course to do this the entire sum of defaulted debt must be monetised and placed squarely in the hands of the banks...

work it out, a major, major increase in the real money supply and major, major increase in inflation...

stand by for more riots...

lots more riots.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:58 | 1166303 ivana
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(hair)cut the crap!
Is this bankster response to chinese PIGS "help"?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:59 | 1166305 QaplaSilver
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What a mess... how is this system even running day to day anymore? its completly lost touch with reality.  Wonder if Ireland etc will 'do an Iceland' ?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 16:34 | 1166674 slewie the pi-rat
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i've been rootin 4 it 4 months!

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 14:59 | 1166306 The Hawk
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Why doesn't the US just give them a day or two of their treasury auctions... FIXED! and then repeat for all the other PIIGS... White House math at its best!

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:05 | 1166327 Cdad
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Look everyone...another pretend rally!  The last rally, clearly...as the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street simply does not care that they have destroyed the market's credibility.  Not good.  Does anyone really think people are going to trust paper equities again?  What...maybe three generations from now?

During the screaming and plunging act just ahead, I suspect the syndicate will say things like, "Wow...we couldn't see it coming" or "Well, you have to take a long term view."  However, I think the gig is up in this entire industry now.  All that remains is for J. Dimon to finally start putting out honest quarterly earnings reports and lay off about half of his employees.  Will anyone really even care when the news of those firings are announced?

I wonder if the poor sap that bought the earnings "beat" on JP Morgue this morning would argue what I am saying? It is such a sad state of affairs...a contagion whose source is a syndicate of bankers that continue to rip off the entire world.  What will be done?  Haircuts on US T Bills?

God help us. 

 

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:06 | 1166330 Ruffcut
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Japans radiation from the west and greece austerity from the east. Get ready for the pinch of a lifetime.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:07 | 1166332 AldoHux_IV
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Greece's best option and any other country in the EU is to break apart from the union-- bailouts = continuation of a monetary slavery regime.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:18 | 1166371 ivana
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Agree but next and true question is : who's greek gov really representing? citizen or EU (bankster & corporations) interests?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:29 | 1166414 slewie the pi-rat
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slewie sees the greek goobermint as a bunch of cafe rider anarchist types who have been hanging out for millenia, enjoying the local and import/export sex...

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:36 | 1166445 topcallingtroll
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But the greeks love the euro subsidy.

They promise if you let them renege on their debts
and stay in the euro they wont ever do it again.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 16:12 | 1166587 Big Ben
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Kind of reminds me of those old Peanuts cartoons where Lucy would offer to hold the football for Charlie Brown to kick. He never seemed to learn.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:08 | 1166337 unky
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what is this bullshit? cant they pay of the debt with new debt (given by ECB) ? problem solved

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:09 | 1166342 ivars
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Just not to forget important things:

Spent fuel pool at Fukushima reactor 4 has become open air reactor as spent fuel rods are admitted to be damaged and undergoing nuclear fission since March 13th:

http://saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2657&p=31780#p31780

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:15 | 1166352 CheapKUNGFU
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All your haircuts, are belong to us... make your time

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:17 | 1166360 AldousHuxley
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Best remedy against banksters is bankruptcy.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:35 | 1166434 topcallingtroll
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Best remedy against the euro too.

We americans are just too uneducated to maintain
a currency.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:21 | 1166375 nah
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they all going to die YOU HEAR ME

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SOMEONE SEND THE IMF AND SAVE THESE PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ENGLISH BANKING

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:32 | 1166386 slewie the pi-rat
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lol!  brussels and the euro fuks, under IMF "reasoning"  will just hafta lash these debtors a bit more tightly to the wheel, is all, and beat them just a bit more severely and often.  no biggie.

have the irish got even one of their styooopid little bloodshot eyes open, here, yet?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:24 | 1166388 pendragon
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how does that leave the ecb holdings of gtreek debt? better raise some more capital trichet

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:30 | 1166418 topcallingtroll
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If you allow greek haircuts then the irish will demand one as well as the portuguese.

Then spain, belgium italy and france.

Those smartypants eurosnobs are in a pickle.

Long live king dollar.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 15:59 | 1166541 ivana
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possible game change. USD goes high, chinese are still pegged and than less competitive, some real trade wars start btw USA-China-EU (check Trump), good for local economies in EU & USA, interest rates higher, FED "somehow" continue printing, USA bond buybacks ... bla bla

other opinons?

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 16:11 | 1166585 magpie
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China buys EU junk bonds for a reason, to "uplift" the Euro.

Wed, 04/13/2011 - 18:16 | 1166954 slewie the pi-rat
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ok, but china doesn't just buy the junk, does it? 

and, other reasons (not all unrelated to your correct one) may involve diversification into non-US currencies and instruments, spreading chinese currency around for new trade deals with the EU, for supply side and raw materials reasons, and to project a presence in stark variance to the criminal fraudsters from the USA to the USA's very victims. 

these are all fiat meisters, ya know!  trading colored paper is really huge, isn't it? 

got PMs? got food?  got cash?

 

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