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The Credit/Equity Disconnect Is Now Complete: All Financial CDS Are Wider

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No one needs to look at stocks to know how JPM, and the other TBTFs are doing. After all they are now firmly in the clutches of the HFT/Citadel/FRBNY pump machine. Yet a glance elsewhere confirms that all correlations between stocks and credit are terminally broken. To wit, note the following CDS spreads as of moments ago:

  • JPM 85/88 (+4)
  • MER 184/189 (+6)
  • MS 170/175 (+5)
  • WFC 105/110 (+6)

Be careful trading financial stocks: JPM's earnings were actually very bad, and so far only credit has figured it out. Equities, being traded now exclusively by Fed-frontrunning retards and virus-infested robots, are a little slow.

 

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Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:43 | 645769 Ragnarok
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virus-infested robots

 

Spent too much time pumping trashy stocks.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:13 | 646056 dcb
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was today a fed day. this is crazy. we gap up, we never gap down. I only see stuff like this on fed days.

By the way ZH promised to post the fed days the day before. I didn't see one yesterday.

anyone know a link to these days!!!

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:14 | 646068 dcb
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I am pisse3d because I know every fed day is used to jomp the market past a new resistance level. I want this links!!!!!

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 12:19 | 646404 Howard_Beale
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All you have to do is type in Federal Reserve Permanent Open Market into a search engine:

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/tot_operation_schedule.html

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:44 | 645773 snowball777
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Apparently HFTs don't have time to be concerned about details like who holds titles to which houses.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:48 | 645779 Sudden Debt
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looks like there are a lot of temp. freeze on stock trades. I already have 3 times 2 minute freeze on my screen.

1. They are manipulation the market again

2. I should pause some porn downloads

...

Strange day...

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:54 | 645791 Conrad Murray
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You are never going to get that SEC job with that attitude.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:57 | 645799 EscapeKey
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Who are you with? I get the exact same thing with TD Ameritrade.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:10 | 645818 Sudden Debt
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Keytrade

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:18 | 645840 Non Passaran
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I thought she complained about the slow-downloading porn :-)

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:49 | 645781 Bearster
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JPM stock rose higher today, due to HFTs (which hold no positions overnight) and Fed-frontrunning retards, but mostly due to Fed front-running retards.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:51 | 645785 firstdivision
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Do not worry, the Fed will make a few calls and get that reality checked back into unicorn land.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:54 | 645789 Spartan
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Lets not forget -

"The next release of the approximate purchase amount and tentative outright Treasury operation schedule will be at 2 p.m. on October 13, 2010."

POMO...POMO...POMO...

Something for the machines to get excited about....

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:36 | 646199 asteroids
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On days where the banks aren't buying with their POMO crack the FED is probably buying directly.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:52 | 645786 Turd Ferguson
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TD: Daddy needs a gold thread, please. We are within $5 of the intraday high of last week. Lots to talk about.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:10 | 645817 SWRichmond
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Woo Hoo!  We got a nice pop!  I did a weapons upgrade yesterday and it's paid for already!

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:53 | 645787 A Man without Q...
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Got to keep the stock up before Jamie does his block trade....

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:53 | 645788 Sudden Debt
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Looks like Skynet decided to counter the shorters ambush into a frontall attack. John Connor IS TOAST I TELL YOU!! TOAST!!

 

 

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:55 | 645794 papaswamp
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As pointed out by another website...people (and algo's) only read headlines and short snippets. They don't want to take the time to read deeply into the nuances of the situation. This is the downfall of this country. We rush too much and don't take the time to read, understand and think (ZH crowd excluded of course).

The article which says "What HAS changed is recent years is that fewer and fewer people have hours to spend luxuriously leafing through old news in magazines."

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-why-i-dont-read-businessweek-even-though-bloomberg-has-made-it-great-again-2010-10#ixzz12FNCyShS

This one of the main reasons the US is being left in the dust...we are dumbing ourselves down because we are in a hurry.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:11 | 645822 Jake Green
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can you just give me the bullet points of that article  :-)

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:51 | 645966 reading
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Too long, didn't read...

 

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:40 | 646221 aheady
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Yeah, you had me 'til "As"...

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:57 | 645797 London Dude Trader
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Fucker Extraordinaire David Tepper unloaded his entire JPM position at the open and thanks all the CNBS viewership and assorted suckers for their $upport.

 

Look for JPM to close below $38 today.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:58 | 645802 deadparrot
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To a robot, what is a stock? Answer: a 1-4 letter symbol with a price that goes up and down.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:52 | 645974 reading
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Ummm, wrong...

Answer: a 1-4 letter symbol with a price that only goes up.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 09:59 | 645805 dhfry@yahoo.com
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It's hard to disagree with your themes and observations. The role many of us play is to make money so we must do so even if holding our collective noses.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:01 | 645806 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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CDS is smart money into instruments which are thinly traded. In an environment like this run by policy and not fundies, it is difficult to say when the fundamentals take over, and whether or not the policy succeeds under a given time frame. A CDS short can be patient so just like Ireland and the rest of the PIIGS, policy trumps the real for now and may even feed back to become real ...

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:01 | 645807 Conrad Murray
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This seems like as good a place as any; for those who have not seen it, "Quants: The Alchemists of Wall Street"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2FWNWwE3I

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:02 | 645808 wiskeyrunner
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Please post more doom and gloom the market seems to love it.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:20 | 645851 Bob
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Hey, been meaning to ask, wr--are you the same whiskeyrunner who follows EEStor?

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:03 | 645810 Silversinner
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My net wealht increases after visit at bullion dealer.

Price=nice but ounces is what really counts in the end.

Has the silver stockpile really gone,too bad for the shorts.

Thinking about buying some extra silver rounds just too

help them a little more.

 

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:16 | 645812 mule65
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Tyler, when should we buy equities?  Then I'll know when to sell LOL.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:06 | 645814 RobD
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Wow look at that vertical move in gold! What just happened to cause that?

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:10 | 645819 Silversinner
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Short sqeese Physical killing papermarket

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:13 | 645826 SWRichmond
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Starting to look like it, isn't it?  That seems to be the most plausible explanation, especially when "experts" start publicly calling for the government to sell "it's" gold.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:12 | 645824 Cdad
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Could be how nicely JPM is putting the final nails into the banking sector coffin...too.  Not that anyone outside of ZH really sees the guy with the hammer.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:07 | 645815 Rusty Shorts
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How do you punish a Robot?

http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 12:08 | 646358 jdrose1985
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Nice.

I need to get the password from Reinhardt to get my free copy, should be a great book!

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:10 | 645820 SofaPapa
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The die has been cast.  Ben has decided on inflation.  Hyperinflation does not scare him.  As such, in a rare event, I'm thinking the bond market will be proven wrong, and stocks and gold have been correct for the past 18 months.  So $1 bn buys a loaf of bread?  Ben will have $1e55 stashed away for himself.  He'll be fine.  Plan accordingly.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:10 | 645821 stormsailor
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up 9.5 on the /es.  another day, another chance to buy,buy,buy.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:16 | 645830 Freebird
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It's on...1367

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:16 | 645833 the rookie cynic
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It might be interesting to see what happens to JPM a little after 2 pm today. "Come on and take a free ride, (free ride)! Come on and take a free ride (free ride)! Come on and take a free riiiiiidddddeee!

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:18 | 645838 shushup
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Don't tell me the shorts have finally been suckered into covering.

It must be extremely frustrating to Tyler who provides all of the important information about the economy etc. only to discover that the market doesn' care at all about the condition of the economy.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:22 | 645855 Quentin Evans t...
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According to Ben Bernakruptcy the stock market IS the economy.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:35 | 645905 sethco
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it IS the economy when it's up, but not when it's down.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:43 | 645920 Bill Lumbergh
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This article claims European investors are more bullish now than they have been in the last 9 years:

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/european-investors-havent-been-this-bullish-in-nine-years-40368

Cramer must be smiling from ear-to-ear right about now.

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:41 | 645927 HelluvaEngineer
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FYI, VXX = FAZ

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:54 | 645980 Dagny Taggart
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ahhh FAZ. To buy or not. Its April '10 lows $10.78 a share. Now its $12.01 per share. Its week of Sept 18, 2008 highs: $2,018 a share. All Wall Street has to do is cough/spew forth one big sacrificial lamb (LTCM, Lehman, Bear et al)... surely they have somebank they can throw to the wolves?

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 15:02 | 646927 ZeroPower
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It was never actually 2,019; its had a bunch of reverse splits due to all levered ETFs eventually gearing towards 0.00

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 10:58 | 645996 Cruel Aid
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How about trading Brasil,Chile,Colombia banks?

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 13:31 | 646655 Jim in MN
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DERP DERP DERP buy! DERP DERP DERP buy! DERP DERP DERP

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 15:04 | 646942 ZeroPower
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Tyler, there was a paper written a bit ago about how CDS liquidity risk increases substantially in deteriorating conditions, thus limiting the true worth of a spread as a market indicator. 

Anyway, good info.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 10:58 | 730703 daniel
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