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CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush Enters Persian Gulf As CIA Veteran Robert Baer Predicts September Israel-Iran War

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One look at the most recent naval update maps shows that in addition to global insolvency (courtesy of the broke European dominoes and a potentially technically broke US), a UK on the verge of a parliamentary scandal courtesy of a media baron whose empire is crumbling, and not to mention yet another downward inflection point in the global economic slowdown courtesy of the end of QE2 and no replacement yet, market watchers may have to start factoring in geopolitical risk yet again. While the fact that Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, and now Turkey, are ever more increasingly on edge is apparently something Mr. Market has managed to internalize, when it comes to geopolitics everyone stops to listen when renewed Iran-Israel rumblings reappear. Which may just be the case. As the most recently updated naval map from Stratfor demonstrates, the CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush has just entered the Persian Gulf, the first time a US aircraft carrier has passed through the Straits of Hormuz in months. What is also notable is that the LHD 5 Bataan amphibious warfare ship has just weighed anchor right next to Libya: this is odd since the coast of Tripoli had been left unattended for many weeks by US attack ships. And topping it all off is that a third aircraft carrier, the CVN 73, is sailing west from the South China seas, potentially with a target next to CVN 76 Ronald Reagan which is the second carrier in the Straits of Hormuz area. Three carriers in proximity to Iran would be extremely troubling, yet fit perfectly with the story of CIA veteran Robert Baer, the man played by George Clooney in Syriana, who as Al Jazeera reports, appeared on KPFK Los Angeles, warning that Israeli PM Netanyahu is "likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future." It gets worse: "Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war." The punchline: "There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained." For the betting public out there, an September CL call may not be the dumbest trade possible...

First, the naval update per Stratfor:

And, courtesy of Al Jazeera and Haaretz, the full take from Robert Baer:

Earlier this week, Robert Baer appeared on the provocative KPFK Los Angeles show Background Briefing, hosted by Ian Masters. It was there that he predicted that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future.

Robert Baer has had a storied career, including a stint in Iraq in the 1990s where he organised opposition to Saddam Hussein. (He was recalled after being accused of trying to organise Saddam's assassination.) Upon his retirement, he received a top decoration for meritorious service.

Baer is no ordinary CIA operative. George Clooney won an Oscar for playing a character based on Baer in the film Syriana (Baer also wrote the book).

He obviously won't name many of his sources in Israel, the United States, and elsewhere, but the few he has named are all Israeli security figures who have publically warned that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are hell-bent on war.

Most former Mossad chiefs wary of Netanyahu

Baer was especially impressed by the unprecedented warning about Netanyahu's plans by former Mossad chief Meir Dagan. Dagan left the Israeli intelligence agency in September 2010. Two months ago, he predicted that Israel would attack and said that doing so would be "the stupidest thing" he could imagine. According to Haaretz:

When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of an Israeli attack Dagan said that: "It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end."

The Iranians have the capability to fire rockets at Israel for a period of months, and Hizbollah could fire tens of thousands of grad rockets and hundreds of long-range missiles, he said.

According to Ben Caspit of the Israeli daily Maariv, Dagan's blasts at Israel's political leadership are significant not only because Mossad chiefs, in office or retired, traditionally have kept their lips sealed, but also because Dagan is very conservative on security matters.

Caspit writes that Dagan is "one of the most rightwing militant people ever born here. ... When this man says that the leadership has no vision and is irresponsible, we should stop sleeping soundly at night".

Dagan describes the current Israeli government as "dangerous and irresponsible" and views speaking out against Netanyahu as his patriotic duty.

And his abhorrence of Netanyahu is not uncommon in the Israeli security establishment. According to Think Progress, citing the Forward newspaper, 12 of the 18 living ex-chiefs of Israel's two security agencies (Mossad and Shin Bet), are "either actively opposing Netanyahu's stances or have spoken out against them". Of the remaining six, two are current ministers in Netanyahu government, leaving a grand total of four out of 18 who independently support the prime minister.

In short, while Congress dutifully gives Netanyahu 29 standing ovations, the Israelis who know the most about both Netanyahu and Israel's strategic situation think he is a dangerous disaster.

But according to Baer, we ain't seen nothing yet.

There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained.

The Israeli air force would attack "Natanz and other nuclear facilities to degrade their capabilities. The Iranians will strike back where they can: Basra, Baghdad", he said, and even Afghanistan. Then the United States would jump into the fight with attacks on Iranian targets. "Our special forces are already looking at Iranian targets in Iraq and across the border [in Iran] which we would strike. What we're facing here is an escalation, rather than a planned out-and-out war. It's a nightmare scenario. We don't have enough troops in the Middle East to fight a war like that." Baer added, "I think we are looking into the abyss".

Another US war?

Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war.

It should be noted that the Iranian regime is quite capable of triggering a war with the United States through some combination of colossal stupidity and sheer hatred. In fact, as Baer explained, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would welcome a war. They are "paranoid". They are "worried about ... what's happening to their country economically, in terms of the oil embargo and other sanctions". And they are worried about a population that increasingly despises the regime.

They need an external enemy. Because we are leaving Iraq, it's Israel. But in order to make this threat believable, they would love an attack on their nuclear facilities, love to go to war in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Iraq and hit us where they could. Their defense is asymmetrical. We can take out all of their armored units. It's of little difference to them, same with their surface-to-air missile sites. It would make little difference because they would use terrorism. They would do serious damage to our fleet in the Gulf.

Given all that, is it possible that the United States would allow Israel to attack when the president knows we would be forced to join the war on Israel's side?

"The president is up for re-election next year," Blair pointed out, and Israel is "truly out of control".

What happens when you see 100 F-16's approaching Iraq and there is a call to the White House [from Netanyahu] that says "We're going in, we're at war with Iran"? What does the President of the United States do? He has little influence over Bibi Netanyahu. ... We can't stop him. And he knows it.

It's a pretty frightening scenario, made infinitely more so by the fact that top Israelis (who have heard Netanyahu's thinking from Netanyahu himself) also see the future the same way. Those Israelis deserve a world of credit for sounding the warning bell loudly enough that we would hear it and do something about it - although it's impossible to know if the people who matter are paying attention.

Actually, only one person matters: the US president. If Israel bombed Iran tomorrow, Congress would forget all about their partisan differences and run, not walk, to the House and Senate floors to endorse the attack and call for unstinting support for Israel. That is what Congress always does, and will always do so long as the lobby (and the donors it directs) are the key players in making our Middle East policies.

And who knows what Obama would do? So far, he has not exactly distinguished himself when it comes to standing up to Netanyahu.

But an Israeli attack on Iran would be different. It would endanger countless Americans (in the region and here at home, too). It would kill off any economic recovery by causing oil prices to skyrocket. It would engulf us in another Middle East war. And it would threaten the existence of the state of Israel.

This is something the president needs to focus on instead of being forced to nickel and dime with the likes of Representative Eric Cantor and Senator Mitch McConnell. How incredible that these two, and their right-wing allies, have our government tied in knots in their incessant effort to elevate themselves by destroying the President of the United States. It is sickening.

h/t devaang


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Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:10 | 1464353 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nothing like a good shooting war to distract the plebs from their full time unemployment and their empty purses.

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:35 | 1464440 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Jist send the unemployed to war!  Solves that problem. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:57 | 1464672 wanklord
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The only way Barry & Associates (including the Zionist warmongers) can justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental US: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration killing dozens of thousands of civilians. This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to later on be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran's IRGC and Pakistan's ISI. Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue; the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these brutes in order to further their agenda.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:11 | 1464712 Missiondweller
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You're either paranoid, an idiot or both.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:52 | 1464832 Guy Fawkes Mulder
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no fuck you

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:49 | 1464955 chumbawamba
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Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:16 | 1465497 Harlequin001
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This is why America will never have an empire; you're just not smart enough.

You are about to be dragged into another very expensive war to defend THE most strategically important piece of real estate on the planet bar none (and I don't mean Manhattan) when you've just spent god knows (and you don't) how many hundreds of billions of your not so hard earned (yet) dollars taking out the one man that had Iran and its nuclear ambitions contained; Saddam. No body is or was better placed to take out Iran's nuclear facilities than him had you kept him on side instead of pulling  the oil rug.

Didn't you do well. George Bush is obviously a very bright cookie because for the life of me I see only stupidity in this whole series of events when the alternative was so much cheaper, and so much more effective.

Let's not try and lose perspective here, Jew haters or not, to not support Israel is to lose control of the ONE piece of real estate that allows easy passage of trade by land from Europe to Africa, the Middle East and Asia and vice versa. Everything passes by land through that area unless you wish to go north through mountain passes to China and Russia. It has been that way since Rome and Byzantium and long before. Nothing changes. 

Some of you need to look past your Jew hating ways to the bigger picture. Every body fights to control that strip of land, everyone, because he who controls it controls trade and commerce throughout the whole continent.  If you don't control it or ally yourself with its rulers you sail, or now fly...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 02:41 | 1465560 AnAnonymous
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Every body fights to control that strip of land, everyone,


Who is that everybody/everyone? Is it everyone/everybody or is it as it is done in the US what you get once you have withdrawn all those who do not fight for this piece of land?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 13:19 | 1466933 Harlequin001
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There can never be peace in the Middle East, it is strategically too important.

Establishing Israel there was a great effort and gesture by the British in support of a race of people hounded and persecuted throughout history, but it cannot survive for long and the Jews will sadly be homeless again...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:17 | 1465621 Hobbleknee
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The US military occupies over 150 countries. If that's not an empire, what is?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 13:11 | 1466905 Harlequin001
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The US military doesn't occupy any country other than the US.

You don't pay rent in an empire, neither do you lease bases or ask permission to come and go. You install a government of your own and impose your own rule of law, just like the French did, the British more than anyone and the Spanish, the Dutch and Portuguese to name but a few. America just buys its friends and pays everyone else's bills.

and fucks off when they're told to...

That is not an empire.

NHexdt yopu'll be telling me you think the UK is part of the US empire because you have a base there. That is so idiotic it defies belief.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 09:31 | 1465985 chumbawamba
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What?  Go eat a cock, spunky.

- Chumblez.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 13:12 | 1466915 Harlequin001
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and there was a chance of a debate but alas, and as usual there is no point...

No thanks.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 10:21 | 1466144 I did it by Occident
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I agree.  But this time around it's all about the OIL!  The US alliance with Israel is more real politik than the Israel Lobby.  Israel (the place) is the US beachhead into the ME, basically a backup plan if the arabs/persians decide to shut off the oil (for whatever crazy reason), or blockade the straits/canals.  If they were to do that, then the US would have limited time to retake (and keep) the oil fields.  Having an ally in the region with 500k troops (including reserves) would be useful to have to buy time until backups arrive. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:50 | 1465315 Partisan
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Yea, that was pretty dumb.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:44 | 1465463 Harlequin001
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I agree, somewhere on this wonderful planet there is a tiny village missing its idiot...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:12 | 1465490 Problem Is
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"You're either paranoid, an idiot or both."

STFU Gestapo Fascist Netanyahu wannabe...
or sock puppet cock sucker of AIPAC...

The Difference Between an Idiot and a Moron?
A moron Zionist THINKS he knows what he is talking about...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:54 | 1465611 luigi
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"You're either paranoid, an idiot or both."

There is another possibility: him being right.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:51 | 1464826 Vlad Tepid
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You've got it all figured out.  Aren't you smart!  Here's a gold star.  <sarc>

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:08 | 1465422 JW n FL
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Mon, 07/18/2011 - 06:54 | 1465689 BigDuke6
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JW your anger with lobbyists is an inspiration to us all.

in australia there was an ordinary bloke voted to parliament in the 1960's.  His manifesto was 'i'm going there to keep the bastards honest'

would it work in the usa?


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 12:43 | 1466785 JW n FL
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Thanks Duke! (Surfs Up Bro!! Hows the Marlin Fishing?


1. I think that the entire financial structure that allows for Government to be purchased needs to be completely routed out of America.

2. It will take real people who care about the Long Term Concerns or America (or other) as a Nation to stick with and fix / re-wire the system.

3. I hope that we are lucky enough to have people who can NOT be bought like Don Chipp!


I have looked at moving down under, going to stay with my Jail Bird cousins does not bother me.. the Fishing is FANTASTIC, the Surfing is FANTASTIC and the People as well are FANTASTIC!


But I would have to be forced to make the move, in other words I will have to have my head beaten in time and time again to where I believe that America can NOT be saved from the Lobby Whores their owners and the Federal Reserve.


I have a feeling that I will end up dieing trying to fix my BeLoved Country. Honestly I would rather be fishing with you guys Down Under and ignoring the issues.. but I unfortunately am not wired that way. If there is work to be done I am not one to walk away or shirk the load.


God Bless You Guys / Gals Down Under! You have a really beautiful island!! I dont envy very many things.. but your island is truly Gods Hand!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:11 | 1464990 bigkahuna
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Brutes with guns - even worse!

I agree with your theory. There would have to be a false flag primer of some sort to get the USA involved in anything initiated by Israel.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:46 | 1465044 Max Hunter
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100% spot on.. The Americans will not endorse another war in the ME without a false flag attack. Plan accordingly.. Bibi has the power to make it happen..

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:38 | 1465161 dark pools of soros
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and the first casualty would be the debt ceiling - in time of war, the printer is mightier than the bomb

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:57 | 1465481 Harlequin001
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I don't think the war's going to make much difference to the printer issue...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:12 | 1464991 macholatte
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So it's Netanyahu who's going to start a war. Wow. What a surprise. Iran has been a nice little lamb, not doing anything except grazing in the desert. No threats to murder all the Jews and Americans and Christians, no threats to build nuclear weapons, no practice firing long range missiles. Just the best damn folks in the world. Yea. Nothing one sided about that report. Right wanker? You fit right in with all your hate speech. You must be one of them transplanted Muslim parasites sucking off the socialist tit in London, huh?


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:49 | 1465056 Max Hunter
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Can you provide some evidence about this?.. I've seen multiple interviews with Ahmadinejad.. He's never said anything like that.. Sounds good though. I'll give you the standard C+ for repeating the standard lie propagated by Zionist trash and American morons.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:52 | 1465182 FeralSerf
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He was hoping for something better than C+ to bring back to his handlers at the ADL.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:10 | 1465496 Ahmeexnal
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It is the bankrupt Europe/US who desperately need to go to war with Iran. The CIA/Bilderbergs will create a false flag iranian attack on Israel in order to provoke a defensive response. Remember that the power elite still wants to finish the job they have been unable to conclude since...thousands of years ago. Their latest failure was with their austrian born puppet during WWII. Remember the ayatollahs are also puppets very much the same like Saddam was. They are armed by the same death merchants who have always sold weapons to both sides on every conflict: the royal families of "enlightened" europe.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:39 | 1465262 mtomato2
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Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:41 | 1465162 dark pools of soros
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screw the Zionists..  Haaretz would be considered anti-jew if it was printed in America

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:58 | 1465482 DaveyJones
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So true

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:44 | 1465172 FinalCollapse
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We absolutely have no reason to meddle in the Middle East. Let Israel and its neighbors to resolve their differences, the same way they were doing since biblical times. Bring all f* aircraft carriers home, and save some money. Whoever wins the fucking war there - we will make friends with them.


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:51 | 1465470 Harlequin001
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Which do you think costs the most, to have an aircraft carrier overseas or have an aircraft carrier in home waters?

If you want to save money you need to sail your aircraft carriers into open waters and sink 'em. Alternatively you could sell them to your enemies for a profit and scream about what a good deal you got, and then shout even louder about all the jobs you created with the proceeds trying to develop a missile that can sink them when they are used to attack you...

Bringing carriers home doesn't save you any money...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:22 | 1465015 Michael
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Sounds like you've been studying the American art of war.

I wonder if the Iranians have enough fire power to take out the Dimona nuclear facility and weapons factories. That should make for a nice size dirty bomb.

You know Israel has 300+ nuclear weapons don't you?

Israel's Dimona Nuclear Weapons Factory In 3D

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:58 | 1465203 FeralSerf
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"It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end."

"Who knows what the Iranians really have?"  Reminds me of the Clint Eastwood movie where the other guy "thinks" Clint is out of bullets.  Clint is suggesting he find out for sure.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:54 | 1465477 Harlequin001
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WMD, loads of them, and can hit you in 20 minutes if that's what govt wants you to believe. And no one goes to prison when you die for it as a result, even if they aren't there...


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:35 | 1465519 cosmictrainwreck
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don't mess with the's Zohal, I guess

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:41 | 1465526 Harlequin001
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It just gets bigger and better doesn't it.

I believe 'em, honest...


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:19 | 1465248 msamour
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I was thinking that too. Iran does notneed nuclear weapons, all they have to do is fire the bulk of their long range missiles straight at the nuclear plants, and there you go, no more Israel. No wonder thousands of Israelis are leaving every year.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:35 | 1465451 Michael
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The Israeli people are totally psychotic.

You begin to understand why when you see them living amongst their own kind in the same place for the past 45 years in that God forsaken arid strip of rocky land over there with the way they are.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 06:06 | 1465663 stev3e
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I never thought of NYC as arid or rocky.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:15 | 1465495 Problem Is
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+5... On the correct analysis, Wanklord...

I hereby <UNJUNK> you...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:33 | 1465518 The Heart
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Not so off base becuase the radiation is making people into Gumbys.


Dark Nights of the Zombie City Dwellers

Dear friends, and those of you that have some brain capabilities left to think with. What many people do not know is how radiation affects the human body, and more specifically, the brain.

This is a huge issue that must be explored and researched as well kept track of because we are seeing theses affects on the environment and people from all over in real time. More real reporting is needed from those who suffer and documentation of all the stories too. The word must go out to help people and solutions are what should be sought in the long run.

We are all no doubt being slowly irradiated. It has been coming since March and before that, and still continues to come down in the entire northern hemisphere poisoning everything in its path. There are many evidences of this that have since been covered up by the EPA and other sorted crony govt stooges. The major efforts to conceal and cover up this radiation and it’s effects has turned into a cottage industry in the lame stream media. The babylonic govts do not want you to know that they are allowing you to slowly die.

What we are seeing and continue to get many reports of are the affects of the radiation from the testimonies of many people. There are a lot of people feeling fatigued, angry, suffering confusion, loss of memory, and angst all around. Cognitive problems in general.

After some checking around, we find indeed that there are links to all these symptoms with the exposure of radiation. What is most interesting are the many reports of people getting angry and being mean. This is because the spirit of the body knows it is being poisoned and killed off and is conflicting inside causing many people to be off kilter, or in the state of Tilt!

Slow down and get ‘Zen-like’ is the new philosophy as we take slow purposeful steps going about the day. No hurry to die is the thinking now and material things are not as important as spiritual warrior words, deeds, and actions on the daily path.

Cancer is often the result and the damage it does to the brain results in a lot of the same symptoms people all over and more especially on the west coast are reporting. Could it be possible that people are suffering from the beginnings of the slow term kill-off already? Does anyone think there is truth in the medical industry around this?

From this link:

“Some of these changes may be subtle, with the patient seeming "off" to their loved ones. In other cases, brain cancer patients may become quick to anger and display extreme personality changes. Since the brain damage as a result of cancer growth is very difficult to repair, these personality disruptions may persist long after the cancer has been treated, leading to lifelong personality changes.”

The radiation is getting deeper into the food systems world wide. There is no escape from the fact that this is happening. What is escaping is the truth about the real overall effects on everything and everyone planet wide. People, you better start thinking as One Specie instead of divided dis-eased sheeple because you are about to be wiped out! This is a good story and source of information from Japan with helpful hyperlinks:

Here is a very interesting older report about airborne radiation. This is more about mobile phone radiation, but there are some correlating similarities and questions can be raised about the fact that all this mobile radiation runs rampant in the big cities and it just hit this writer that the modem is putting out the electromagnetic energies from there too. Answer-> all electromagnetic devices are off at night to sleep well.

But oh, so you have towers, cell phones, modems, radios, computers, and TV’s, and all sorts of radiation emitting devices and then the fallout from leaking reactors in the US, and to top all that, the Fukushima catastrophe all hitting the country now?:

So, if radiation is causing stress, and that results in conflict within and without, then it stands to reason that this also has a devastating effect on our systems:

We all now know the brain is affected by radiation and some of the causes. Taking brain supplements like Ginkgo Biloba and Detoxing to stay as clear as you can is good. Anyone with better advice is invited to do so and add to this post. Here are a few more links to get you started on a healthy learning pattern. All we can do, is all we can do.

There are things we can do to protect ourselves also. What we do not know is what the slow continued build up will exactly cause and how long it will take until either people fall over from sheer stupidity, or they tear each other apart in anger and confusion. You add some food shortages into those big city equations and well, we may be looking at the Night of the Zombie City Dwellers coming to a theater near you soon!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 02:29 | 1465524 The Heart
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This is not the first time you have shared this and it sounds like it comes from a place of knowing. Thank you for putting the plan out so easily.

As far as people being 'Steered' into submission and easy control, see responce above.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:22 | 1464747 Xibalba
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Worked for Nazi Germany, albeit temporarily.    

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:14 | 1465432 John Rotten
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Israel is modern Nazi Germany. 


What does that make the U.S. (us) though?  Apparently well on our way to facism.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:55 | 1465479 Harlequin001
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Does Israel have rendition? Just curious...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:18 | 1465500 Problem Is
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No... but they have a Warsaw ghetto called Gaza their Israeli SS Gestapo storm troopers are torturing...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 12:47 | 1466806 JW n FL
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Israeli Settler-related incidents resulting in Palestinian injuries and damage to property are up by 57 percent this year, according to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, which documents violence in the Palestinian territories.

According to Palestinian officials, so far this year, over 170 Palestinians have been injured by settler violence, and hundreds of olive trees, the only source of income to many Palestinian farmers, where either uprooted or burned by extremist settlers.
Israeli occupation forces often assist settlers during their skirmishes with the Palestinians, and do not hesitate to intervene on the side of the Israeli settlers.




so what does Israel do?????


Israeli navy attacks intl. monitoring vessel in Gaza
Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:28 | 1464765 knowless
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I heard theys give you a gun an meals, like a real fucking gun like papapapappow fucking gun, all yagotta do is shoot dem ayrab muthafuckers, beats this shithole town wit nottin goin on..


honestly, who wouldn't sign up? oh, theres a draft for that.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:46 | 1464816 Manthong
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We've got 2 million people in prison. California alone has to let 30,000 loose.

Just strap parachutes on them, fly all two million of them over a few cities in Iran, hand them an AK-47 and a box of ammo as you push them out the door and yell "It's all yours, have fun!".

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:32 | 1464926 Gohn Galt
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Two million people in prison.  I think we should send them to Washington and lock them in the same area with all the branches of the government.  We would save on prison expenses and government expenditures.  I bet they would have some very interesting viewpoints to show them.  Of course we would have to educate them on the different US Constitution's that we have had since the beggining. 


I deplore the enslavement or impoverishment of another person, no matter how it is justified.



Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:18 | 1465435 Oh regional Indian
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Nice Gohn, very nice.


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:30 | 1465448 John Rotten
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I think we should send them to Washington and lock them in the same area with all the branches of the government.


Sounds like it could turn out to be sort of Escape From New York-ish and The Running Man-ish.  Interesting.  Tables would be turned indeed.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:04 | 1465576 12ToothAssassin
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Seemed to work out alright for Australia... Id vote to give that a go.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:03 | 1464979 CrazyCooter
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Hmmmm, so in 100 years ... they will speak Cajun Farsi?




Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:04 | 1464980 CrazyCooter
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Hmmmm, so in 100 years ... they will speak Cajun Farsi?




Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:25 | 1465369 gall batter
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Support the Pelican Bay prisoners on a hunger strike for humane treatment.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:07 | 1465218 WilliamShatner
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From the song Full Metal Jackoff, off the album Last Screeam of the Missing Neighbors (Jello Biafra with D.O.A):


The only hope for the young
Is to join the Army and slowly die
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
The last roads left to the American Dream

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:45 | 1465303 A Nanny Moose
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Broken Windoze Bitchez!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:14 | 1465431 Oh regional Indian
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That is what is happening already, eh?

Hisssssss-panics, Blacks, white-trash.... that is most of the "fighting" force.

Whites are good for officer roles. Death is for the proles.


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:37 | 1464441 pesamystik
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If we have another war for Israel (and Iraq was very clearly tied to Israel) I will probably call it quits and move out of the United States.

Oh wait, I already plan on doing that in September.

Soooo, I guess the most I will feel is pity for a U.S. electorate in the total iron grip Jewish money.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1464465 Cpl Hicks
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What's the prob, is it too hot to move right now?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:17 | 1464894 Lets_Eat_Ben
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where ya goin? Thanks in advance for the suggestion...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:40 | 1465036 New_Meat
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"Oh wait, I already plan on doing that in September."

bye-bye, pigfucker.

- Ned

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:54 | 1465068 Tsukato
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You're a fucking little cunt.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:07 | 1465219 snowball777
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Don't kiss and tell.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:45 | 1465398 A Nanny Moose
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Now that's funny right thar!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:00 | 1464501 ToNYC
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The Shock Doctrine( Naomi Klein) works just fine. New script in the works when the dust settles. All kinds of pots are boiling and lots of Johnnys in the basement mixing up the medicine. NWOs got to bury in big smoke and mirrors that Tahrir Square thing and the Murdoch implosion. Now where were we almost  exactly a decade ago?


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:15 | 1464558 Cognitive Dissonance
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Wiring the buildings?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:27 | 1464589 augie
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definitely made me question my opinion of charlie sheen. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:55 | 1465190 davidgn
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Who gives a fuck about Charlie Sheen either way?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 10:27 | 1465859 augie
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When a guy who can get 1,000,000 people to follow his twitter the day he signs up for it makes an opinion contrary to the established party line, it degrades cognitive dissonance enough to give people the authority to question their own beliefs. People need authority to do anything, and if charlie sheen is an "authority" (evidenced by his 1million followers) then i support him. So i guess i give a fuck. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:03 | 1464686 ToNYC
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Not me personally. I was across the street in line of sight long dec gold at $ popped $20 to $290 the oz. on the next open. Reverse engineering always works in the non-relativistic physics to improve the depth of your perception. A decade ago we were ignoring the warnings waiting for anything to happen to start the show. Andy Card relayed but one of the possible outcomes in 43's schoolroom notice. Look to the survivors.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:19 | 1464740 Cognitive Dissonance
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It was a rhetorical "we" answer to your rhetorical collective 'we' question, not a personal 'we' meaning 'you' answer. I was trying to trigger some cognitive dissonance among the readers.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:04 | 1465215 FeralSerf
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Only kings, presidents, editors, and people with tapeworms have the right to use the editorial "we." -- Mark Twain

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:22 | 1465505 Problem Is
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Classic... What about wankers with crabs???

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:48 | 1465509 Harlequin001
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and where would one look to research that if we didn't believe you...

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:39 | 1465516 Harlequin001
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and where would one look to research that if we didn't believe you...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:10 | 1464709 Confuchius
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CD; Do you suppose everyone has conveniently "forgotten" that The Middle Kingdom guarantees the security of "Persia"?

The "promised land" (by who, exactly? osama soetoro?) would be an excellent area to stay well away from, and especially not downwind of.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:28 | 1464768 Cognitive Dissonance
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To be honest most of us don't look much further than the next headline, either here on Zero Hedge or anywhere else.

Long term thinking is two or more hours without our news feed IV hooked up.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:47 | 1464952 Hang The Fed
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"Now I'm in control, now I'm in the fallout

Once asleep but now I stand

And I still remember your sweet everything

Light a Roman Candle, and hold it in your hand."

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:27 | 1465024 caconhma
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Let us look on a bright side. I am ready to trade 3 millions of dead Israelis for 11-15 millions of Iranians, Saudis and other Arabs.

Then again,

- Gas will be over $10/g

- Both EU and America will declare bankruptcies with plenty of violent civil unrest & revolutions all over world including America

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:08 | 1465223 Pain Train
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If y'all really think this thing is gonna happen, you can get 50-1 odds on it at Intrade...might be worth a hundo for beer money and a gas mask when the SHTF...



Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:48 | 1465307 fonestar
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What will be interesting is to see if this does go down, whether Russia and China "offer strong condemnation" or some crap, or whether they take a more militant stand.  After all China and Russia are the big fish the Anglo-American cleptocracy is after here.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:30 | 1465447 CompassionateFascist
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Zionist (USA and/or Israel) attack on Iran will chop most of China's oil supply. They, and then everyone else will dollar dump at electron speed. What happens next, they'll have to invent a new name for.  

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:38 | 1465383 Taint Boil
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Can you say Sunburn - Surburn missile that is .....

Somebody, somewhere is waiting to use this. Can't wait for the MSM take on it after it happens. Get the popcorn ready.

"the most lethal missile in the world today."

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 07:11 | 1465722 Salamanda
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You're absolutely spot on with this Taint-Boil... a supersonic surface-to-surface missle, specifically designed to sink aircraft carriers and the US still have no effective counter-measure to this weapon. Oh yeah...  they're lined up the entire way down Iran's west coast of the Persian Gulf. Can you imagine the blood bath that would ensue with 3 x US carriers in the region??

For God's sake America... just this once, do something right!

i. Get your boys and girls in the ME home NOW and out of harms way.

ii. Get some calcium in your spine and tell Israel to either STFU and stay in their coup, or when it comes to Iran... "If you go in, you're on your fucking own... and by the way... don't bother calling!"


Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:18 | 1465436 Dr. Porkchop
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These former analysts and pundits have been warning of the imminent Israeli attack on Iran for years.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 09:27 | 1465977 fonestar
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What will be interesting is to see if this does go down, whether Russia and China "offer strong condemnation" or some crap, or whether they take a more militant stand.  After all China and Russia are the big fish the Anglo-American cleptocracy is after here.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 10:37 | 1466201 SoNH80
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There are a lot of balls in the air, a lot of players, lots of open and hidden agendas, a lot of alliances of convenience.  A Mexican standoff, if you will, with the U.S., Iran, Israel, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, India, China, Russia, and Turkey as the key players.  I won't guess how things will develop, but I have a funny feeling that we're in a similar place to Summer 1913, and when the dam breaks, the whole world will be surprised by the suddenness and force of what will transpire.  All bets are off, I wouldn't invest in Dubai real estate, that's for sure....

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 14:29 | 1467265 mkkby
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I agree it's all a staged distraction and gift to the mil ind complex.  However, if you really care about terrorism Iran was the only war that ever made sense.  Iraq was just a personal feud with Bush.  Afg is a farce.  Iran is building nukes and makes no secret of it.  They threaten us and make no secret of it.

Let's forget about all the "joo" hatred here... I've said for years Israel is crazy not to destroy Iran's nuke program.  Apparently they agree and have waited and waited for Bush and Obama to keep their word and do the job themselves.  Now Israel is forced to act on their own.

Iran would be crushed in a war with Israel.  All Iran can do is fight back with ancient-design missiles that usually hit nothing.  Terrorism is just a step above annoyance.  If an Iranian army tried to actually march toward Israel it would be shot down like turkeys in a barrel.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:11 | 1464356 swissinv
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Is this the black swan we are waiting for?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:33 | 1464429 Eric Cartman
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I think that was Japan.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:34 | 1464435 Tuco Benedicto ...
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No, "gray" swan maybe as it has been predicted on and off for a decade which makes it no less frightening!



Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:47 | 1464477 Urban Roman
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These are not the aircraft carriers you are looking for. Move along..

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:56 | 1464965 chumbawamba
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By definition, it's not a Black Swan if you know it's coming.

A Black Swan is like unexpected anal.  You'll know it when it's happening.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:56 | 1465072 Max Hunter
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A Black Swan is like unexpected anal

Followed by the disapproving fish eye?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 14:32 | 1467281 mkkby
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Hey, watch it buster.  We black swans can bite, and it may even leave a welt.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:30 | 1464360 Sudden Debt
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In the hope that everybody will forget a global default for a few more years.


I don't have a problem with Iran. I've never even met anybody from Iran.

I've never seen any real treath from Iran.

All I know is that it's a enemy of Isreal and Isreal like to stamp the feet of the Iranians.

And of course they have oil... plenty of it.



It really isn't!

Nobel price winner MY ASS!


This weekend, the Obligationteam from Deutche Bank made a very bold announcement. "The only way to solve the EU and US credit problems is by printing a Filthy Large Amount of money".

That will get the PM market swinging again in the next couple of weeks...

So instead of talking "tactics" and politics, those who haven't yet prepared for the shitstorm should concentrate on doing so. Erase CNN and CNBC from the channels of your TV. Keep that shit out of your head because it will be only mirages.



Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1464471 Cpl Hicks
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Nobel price winner

Is that how they determine the winner? Auction them off to the highest bidder?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:53 | 1464497 Sudden Debt
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A "bring your own gold medal" event. I guess they didn't do a metal testing...


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:56 | 1464506 Cpl Hicks
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Maybe it's a sex test for the Peace Prize- if you have testicles you're automatically disqualified.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:01 | 1464521 Sudden Debt
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I don't know...

He looks like a big dick so how do you explain your theory now?


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1465130 DoChenRollingBearing
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LOL you guys...

Zero Hedge can be great fun as well as a place to learn.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:24 | 1465507 Problem Is
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A classic eunuch...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:11 | 1464713 monoloco
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Using D.C. logic, a war with Iran would be a good excuse to print even more shitloads of fiat and lower taxes.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 14:34 | 1467289 mkkby
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Close, but not quite.  A war scare is precisely to make the point not to include miliary cuts in the budget battle farce.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:11 | 1464361 oldmanagain
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We could take out Netanyahe first.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1464455 pesamystik
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That would probably be the cheapest option. 

Just wait until the Israeli Internet Defense Force sees this thread. Those goons will be here in no time.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:17 | 1464568 HungrySeagull
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That was not a wise thing to say about taking out so and so.

I would not want to be anywhere near your place when they do come for you.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:35 | 1465079 Tsukato
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Yeah...your right.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:36 | 1465147 Tsukato
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I dont care who you are Hungry Seagull! I won't do it!!!! NEVER!!!!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:33 | 1465149 Tsukato
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I'm coming clean Hungry Seagull! Don't any of you believe this bastard! He is not who you think he is. He's trying to destroy my life! He pretends to be a weak little bitch on the internet, and in real life, he pretends to be a go nowhere, but therein lies his genius! He hides everything like a master magician. He is running cocaine, meth, and weed from down south, and has amassed a fortune. He contacted me weeks ago from another site, and made me an incredible offer. Although he fancies himself a gentleman, he is nothing but a diabolical genius out to CHANGE THE WORLD THROUGH VIOLENCE! He paid me heaps of money to ASSASSINATE Ben Netanyahu, Obama, Biden, Bill and Hillary Clinton, and to BOMB an IRS bldg, and a GOLDMAN SACHS office! I will never do it! I am halfway to the Amazonian Basin, and you will never catch me before MOSSAD suicides your ass! Your penchant for the finer things including the bitches and cognacs, won't save you this time. I'm a good jewish boy. I appreciate the cash, but I will never do your bidding PSYCHOPATH!!!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:49 | 1465176 Tsukato
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Benyanin Netanyahu is a real asset to the jewish people. You! Hungry Seagull want him and his entire family MURDERED! You are the DEVIL. All you want is to KILL, KILL, KILL! He is a good man, and I pray that evil Goyam like you never succeed! I have contacted the Israeli embassy regarding our transaction. I will be exonerated, but they will be paying you a visit very soon. Were the finer things in life worth it!?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:27 | 1465372 JW n FL
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I Love You Man! Please Always Post from where ever you go! You are the best!


It was good of you to save Mr. 29 Standing Ovations Life!


SeaGull why are you trying to have the Jewish Leader Murdered for Money? are you a secret Nazi?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 05:23 | 1465641 Tsukato
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Thanks for the kind words :) Yeah, that Hungry Seagull is one sick motherfuckin anti-semite! Hey, Hitler, if your reading this, don't attempt to find me in the Amazon. Me and some of my Yanomamo friends'll pop a poisonous dart in your ass!

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:23 | 1465504 cosmictrainwreck
cosmictrainwreck's picture got serious mental hygiene issues... wait, what's that smell? oh, just your brain rotting - never mind... carry on

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 05:50 | 1465660 Tsukato
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I know YOU! You're the original ZH anti-semite. Why are you filled with such hate? I'll never understand your kind...... PLEASE REMEMBER THE HOLOCAUST.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 07:08 | 1465711 BigDuke6
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i'd like to call 'liberal sodomy' in on this conversation.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:12 | 1464364 lolmao500
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Oil prices going up is bullish for the dollar... but not so much for the US economy... higher oil prices = more demand for dollars to pay for oil... So that's why the US government loves to bomb middle-east countries?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:05 | 1464696 ToNYC
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We burn dollars; they use them to own us.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:12 | 1464365 HungrySeagull
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Let it be done.


Good luck and good hunting!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:19 | 1464575 HungrySeagull
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Junk junk and junk.

Must be those who don't wish the very best fortune and hunting for our Armed Forces.


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:57 | 1464845 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Yes, and our military leadership gives a crap about the troops!?  That's why since they make them use depleted uranium ammo that will kill them all in decades.  Remember Agent Orange in Vietnam and The Gulf War Syndrome?  I wish the best fortune for our troops that's why I want them to discontinue being the unwitting pawns of the New World Order!


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:04 | 1465090 Tsukato
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I don't wish those bitches the best fortune you peabrained fuck hole. Fuck our armed forces! The only way I will ever support them is in a coup d' tat back home. Otherwise, they are just a big part of the problem!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:14 | 1464369 unky
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What implications would a war between Iran and U.S. have on the PM prices and currency markets (I am specially interested in the EURUSD) ?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:30 | 1464419 Tuco Benedicto ...
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There might be a run to the U. S. Dollar and/or U. S. Treasury Bonds in the short term with probable spikes in oil, gold and silver.  I would not be short any commodity at this point.  Crap!  This would be freaking WWIII!


Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:23 | 1464584 InconvenientCou...
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gold follows crude.

$ goes up if the US is winning the conflict.

This war is inevitable because Iran is an opportunity to secure more oil. China and the US would love to just carve it up. There is no better opportunity for Israel to demonstrate its nuclear deterrent without fear of nuclear counter attack.

motive and opportunity... just sayin'

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:01 | 1465334 RichardP
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This war is inevitable ...

Please note that this war has been inevitable almost since ZH opened for business.  It's a bummer that the time-frame in which the inevitable will happen is so murcky tho, isn't it.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:05 | 1465339 InconvenientCou...
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gold follows crude.

$ goes up if the US is winning the conflict.

This war is inevitable because Iran is an opportunity to secure more oil. China and the US would love to just carve it up. There is no better opportunity for Israel to demonstrate its nuclear deterrent without fear of nuclear counter attack.

motive and opportunity... just sayin'

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:20 | 1464383 buzzsaw99
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must. not. troll. the. zio-muzzie. conflictardation. :grits teeth:

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1464480 Cpl Hicks
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hey, +10 on the 'zio-muzzie conflictardation'!

If it were only just a problem as funny as that label...

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:53 | 1464836 buzzsaw99
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yeah, we're in some real pretty (ww3) shit now man.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:22 | 1464384 Franken_Stein
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This is all part of the New World Order Agenda.


The plans for an attack on Iran are in the drawers since 1995.

Netanyahu must be impeached and declared unfit for office if necessary.


This madman must be stopped !


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:31 | 1464422 PY-129-20
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And 200 Leopard Typ (newest) 2A7+ tanks for the al-Sauds.

Battle of al-Jubail

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:49 | 1464486 Cpl Hicks
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They will have to go on a major recruiting drive in the Phillipines to crew them.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:57 | 1464508 Sudden Debt
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Those tanks are a piece of shit beyond belief.

They are made in Belgium but they don't fire standard rounds.

In a conflict you don't want everything to fire special amunition. you want the to fire the same kind of rounds like the rest of your tanks. You're at risk of a logistical nightmare with stuff like this.


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:42 | 1464636 PY-129-20
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The Leopard 2A7+ is made in Germany (by KMW). It's one of the best modern tanks in the world. Only the M1A2 might be a better choice (just speaking of tanks) in combat.

The 2A7+ Type is a very strong one. Even the Russians would like to have German tanks. (,1518,756334,00.html (German)

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:58 | 1464679 pesamystik
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Pretty much anything made by the Germans is quality. They are a bunch of pacifists now and still they make some of the best weapons in the world. It's amazing they didn't win WWII. They had the best army and weapons of any armed force. The only problem was they were fighting on two fronts, did not have rich natural resources, and simply took on too many countries at one time. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:29 | 1464772 Caviar Emptor
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Spitfire, MarkV - P-51Mustang - Katyusha BM 13 N - 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:15 | 1464890 pesamystik
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Yeah, those were nice planes, but towards the end of the war, the Germans were developing freaking jets. If the Germans had more time they would have won, they had the superior technology in almost every instance (with some exceptions). The Russians had some decent technology, but in the end, it was just the sheer amount of troops and their defensive position (plus Hitler's botched strategies) that enabled them to win. On a pure technological skill, the Germans had them beaten. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:17 | 1465000 vamoose1
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Dead right.

    When Monty was setting up  his setpiece battles,  he took one look at those Aryan brutes, looked at the opposing technology, viz... a Sherman tank vs. a panther compared them  to his undernourished cockneys and said i want a five to 1 plurality in  bodies or i ain't playing, and he needed every one of them.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:18 | 1465244 FeralSerf
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Rosie the Riveter beat the Germans.  There was no end to the numbers of planes, tanks, ships, guns, ammo, etc. that came out of her factories.  She was impossible to beat.  Some of her stuff might not have been as well engineered as the German's stuff, but there was no end to it.

And then there were the Russians. . .  Endless columns of Russians.

The Germans didn't have a chance.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:40 | 1464797 knowless
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the germans might appear austere, but they are by no means pacified. A country with an effeicent manufacturing base will always be able to raise an army to use the guns, which is why there are so many american eagle tears as of late.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:34 | 1465286 baby_BLYTHE
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The German army was indeed the strongest military power of WWII

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:12 | 1465486 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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That is arguable.  The Russians were bad ass, the Americans fought great, the Japanese were tenacious, and yes the Germans had grit and machinery, but they had no oil, which is why they lost the war.

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