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CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush Enters Persian Gulf As CIA Veteran Robert Baer Predicts September Israel-Iran War
One look at the most recent naval update maps shows that in addition to global insolvency (courtesy of the broke European dominoes and a potentially technically broke US), a UK on the verge of a parliamentary scandal courtesy of a media baron whose empire is crumbling, and not to mention yet another downward inflection point in the global economic slowdown courtesy of the end of QE2 and no replacement yet, market watchers may have to start factoring in geopolitical risk yet again. While the fact that Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, and now Turkey, are ever more increasingly on edge is apparently something Mr. Market has managed to internalize, when it comes to geopolitics everyone stops to listen when renewed Iran-Israel rumblings reappear. Which may just be the case. As the most recently updated naval map from Stratfor demonstrates, the CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush has just entered the Persian Gulf, the first time a US aircraft carrier has passed through the Straits of Hormuz in months. What is also notable is that the LHD 5 Bataan amphibious warfare ship has just weighed anchor right next to Libya: this is odd since the coast of Tripoli had been left unattended for many weeks by US attack ships. And topping it all off is that a third aircraft carrier, the CVN 73, is sailing west from the South China seas, potentially with a target next to CVN 76 Ronald Reagan which is the second carrier in the Straits of Hormuz area. Three carriers in proximity to Iran would be extremely troubling, yet fit perfectly with the story of CIA veteran Robert Baer, the man played by George Clooney in Syriana, who as Al Jazeera reports, appeared on KPFK Los Angeles, warning that Israeli PM Netanyahu is "likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future." It gets worse: "Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war." The punchline: "There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained." For the betting public out there, an September CL call may not be the dumbest trade possible...
First, the naval update per Stratfor:
And, courtesy of Al Jazeera and Haaretz, the full take from Robert Baer:
Earlier this week, Robert Baer appeared on the provocative KPFK Los Angeles show Background Briefing, hosted by Ian Masters. It was there that he predicted that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future.
Robert Baer has had a storied career, including a stint in Iraq in the 1990s where he organised opposition to Saddam Hussein. (He was recalled after being accused of trying to organise Saddam's assassination.) Upon his retirement, he received a top decoration for meritorious service.
Baer is no ordinary CIA operative. George Clooney won an Oscar for playing a character based on Baer in the film Syriana (Baer also wrote the book).
He obviously won't name many of his sources in Israel, the United States, and elsewhere, but the few he has named are all Israeli security figures who have publically warned that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are hell-bent on war.
Most former Mossad chiefs wary of Netanyahu
Baer was especially impressed by the unprecedented warning about Netanyahu's plans by former Mossad chief Meir Dagan. Dagan left the Israeli intelligence agency in September 2010. Two months ago, he predicted that Israel would attack and said that doing so would be "the stupidest thing" he could imagine. According to Haaretz:
When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of an Israeli attack Dagan said that: "It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end."
The Iranians have the capability to fire rockets at Israel for a period of months, and Hizbollah could fire tens of thousands of grad rockets and hundreds of long-range missiles, he said.
According to Ben Caspit of the Israeli daily Maariv, Dagan's blasts at Israel's political leadership are significant not only because Mossad chiefs, in office or retired, traditionally have kept their lips sealed, but also because Dagan is very conservative on security matters.
Caspit writes that Dagan is "one of the most rightwing militant people ever born here. ... When this man says that the leadership has no vision and is irresponsible, we should stop sleeping soundly at night".
Dagan describes the current Israeli government as "dangerous and irresponsible" and views speaking out against Netanyahu as his patriotic duty.
And his abhorrence of Netanyahu is not uncommon in the Israeli security establishment. According to Think Progress, citing the Forward newspaper, 12 of the 18 living ex-chiefs of Israel's two security agencies (Mossad and Shin Bet), are "either actively opposing Netanyahu's stances or have spoken out against them". Of the remaining six, two are current ministers in Netanyahu government, leaving a grand total of four out of 18 who independently support the prime minister.
In short, while Congress dutifully gives Netanyahu 29 standing ovations, the Israelis who know the most about both Netanyahu and Israel's strategic situation think he is a dangerous disaster.
But according to Baer, we ain't seen nothing yet.
There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained.
The Israeli air force would attack "Natanz and other nuclear facilities to degrade their capabilities. The Iranians will strike back where they can: Basra, Baghdad", he said, and even Afghanistan. Then the United States would jump into the fight with attacks on Iranian targets. "Our special forces are already looking at Iranian targets in Iraq and across the border [in Iran] which we would strike. What we're facing here is an escalation, rather than a planned out-and-out war. It's a nightmare scenario. We don't have enough troops in the Middle East to fight a war like that." Baer added, "I think we are looking into the abyss".
Another US war?
Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war.
It should be noted that the Iranian regime is quite capable of triggering a war with the United States through some combination of colossal stupidity and sheer hatred. In fact, as Baer explained, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would welcome a war. They are "paranoid". They are "worried about ... what's happening to their country economically, in terms of the oil embargo and other sanctions". And they are worried about a population that increasingly despises the regime.
They need an external enemy. Because we are leaving Iraq, it's Israel. But in order to make this threat believable, they would love an attack on their nuclear facilities, love to go to war in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Iraq and hit us where they could. Their defense is asymmetrical. We can take out all of their armored units. It's of little difference to them, same with their surface-to-air missile sites. It would make little difference because they would use terrorism. They would do serious damage to our fleet in the Gulf.
Given all that, is it possible that the United States would allow Israel to attack when the president knows we would be forced to join the war on Israel's side?
"The president is up for re-election next year," Blair pointed out, and Israel is "truly out of control".
What happens when you see 100 F-16's approaching Iraq and there is a call to the White House [from Netanyahu] that says "We're going in, we're at war with Iran"? What does the President of the United States do? He has little influence over Bibi Netanyahu. ... We can't stop him. And he knows it.
It's a pretty frightening scenario, made infinitely more so by the fact that top Israelis (who have heard Netanyahu's thinking from Netanyahu himself) also see the future the same way. Those Israelis deserve a world of credit for sounding the warning bell loudly enough that we would hear it and do something about it - although it's impossible to know if the people who matter are paying attention.
Actually, only one person matters: the US president. If Israel bombed Iran tomorrow, Congress would forget all about their partisan differences and run, not walk, to the House and Senate floors to endorse the attack and call for unstinting support for Israel. That is what Congress always does, and will always do so long as the lobby (and the donors it directs) are the key players in making our Middle East policies.
And who knows what Obama would do? So far, he has not exactly distinguished himself when it comes to standing up to Netanyahu.
But an Israeli attack on Iran would be different. It would endanger countless Americans (in the region and here at home, too). It would kill off any economic recovery by causing oil prices to skyrocket. It would engulf us in another Middle East war. And it would threaten the existence of the state of Israel.
This is something the president needs to focus on instead of being forced to nickel and dime with the likes of Representative Eric Cantor and Senator Mitch McConnell. How incredible that these two, and their right-wing allies, have our government tied in knots in their incessant effort to elevate themselves by destroying the President of the United States. It is sickening.
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I've respect for almost all of them.You forgot the British. They were also very tough. Churchill was a great leader.
I also respect the ordinary Wehrmacht soldier (or any other army) - not a guy using war as an excuse to commit whatever he wants to do - I am speaking of those that had to go through this terrible experience and did not lose their humanity (wether they were Americans, Germans, Japanese and so on).
Never forget Ulrich Wilhelm Graf Schwerin von Schwanenfeld.
http://youtu.be/0sV7QpRwRP0
Some of the Wehrmacht soldiers were just brainwashed, like Severloh, a man that killed alone 2,000 American soldiers on the Omaha Beach. It was heartbreaking to see this chap. The Americans bombarded the part of the beach and thought nobody could survive this. So instead of checking first, they sent out a landing ship (not one of these small boats) - so the young soldiers went out very slowly of their boats - and the officer of Severloh came to him and said: "Look at those poor guys..." They had no chance and all of them died. Grenades, bombs, snipers - they all stood no chance against this single guy. He fired for seven hours. He never got these images out of his brain. But he also said: "I was defending my officer - we were good friends - I would have had a bad conscience if I had left my post..." Speaking about that day and especially about the Americans he had tears in his eyes. He felt sorry for them. He met one of the American soldiers he probably wounded this day - he wrote him letters and it was a relief for him to meet this man - but still there was this conflict in his soul - on one side he wanted to excuse himself - feeling a terrible guilt about what he did - on the other side there was still the soldier that is fulfilling his duty, doing what he was ordered, not leaving his friends behind, knowing that all of the Americans he was firing at would also kill him, if they got a chance.
Germany will never have a stronger army than the Wehrmacht. The militarism in Germany is past - we had a tradition that was going back to the Prussians - Kadavergehorsam (almost "slavish obedience") that the NAZIs used. Severloh said: "When you started a sentence with "I think" - some of the officers told you "Thinking is not for you - thinking is for horses - they have bigger heads."
But Germany is not only militarism - like Sparta almost was - there is also a great philosophic and cultural tradition. People like Kant, Beethoven, Hegel, Bach, Goethe, Mozart (his father was German), Thomas Mann, Hermann Hesse.
The Germans would have won the war if hitler hadn't been a fruitcake and invaded russia.
if he had consolidated and annexed the middle east as the appeasers would have allowed we wouldn't be worrying about iran or any of that shit now. all long gone.
Consider this.
Your tank in a troop goes down after breaking a wheel. (Bear with me here...) your coordinates go out onto a network to be picked up by the specific logistical unit that has the part which you need. And that particular part will go directly to you.
If you goggle Paladins from the US Military and thier Deep Strike Stragety in battle followed by logistics and ammo vehicles they can take care of themselves well enough.
Now you want to stop Logisitcs? Start here at home in the lower 48. You probably will not survive the operation.
There is something else you should know. The German Tank crews run the HELL out of the tanks they have and frankly.... are absolutely predatory and total dedication to the kill as Leapords should be. I would not want to be fighting with anything other than a M1A1. With that I might have a 50/50 chance.
To be honest - I am just glad we don't need to fight the Americans. We produce good weapons - our submarine is one of the best in the world (we usually sent them to Israel - they don't need to pay much for them as a kind of "reparation") - but our military is weak - and quite frankly that's fine with me. I am dissappointed of the current government - but most other nations don't have good leaders now.
But I am very worried about the current state of the USA. They are involved in too many conflicts right now. They shouldn't. They've lost their focus. I am not arguing against their strong military. It should have been reduced after the end of the cold war.
Listen, I live in Germany and they have 100 military bases here - that's not necessary. Sure, I am not complaining about them. I am not complaining about the 20 nukes in Rhineland. In fact, you will hear nobody complaining about this here. Some of the cities are depending on that money. But I don't think this is a healthy thing for the USA - to have 100 military bases in Italy, Germany or elsewhere in the world. It's not necessary. Unlike my East German friend above I've positive opinion of the USA. And I think they've made some big errors in the past 40 years - leading to the big mess of today. I would hope that Germany could improve the relation between USA and Russia - we've developed good diplomatic ties with both nations.
I am not sure who could be your enemy in the future. But right now they'll probably want to wait. They will make their move when the US is in further decline - when the many wars have made the American public tiresome...
Time is running out for Israel - they see their relations to the US in decline (maybe not with politicians but with the general public) - Iran is making progress with their nukes - remember how Israel attacked Saddam's Iraq for the same reason - they won't wait until Iran has developed the capability. They tried everything for now - viruses, Mossad killing Iranian scientists... - I think the result will be catastrophic for everyone.
only US elites/media/political whores etc. have a beef against Israel- the majority of Americans are center/right and support Israel. The whole give-Gaza-to the PLO for Peace tells you everything you need to know about who surrounds Israel. That Gaza isn't a smoldering lake of glass is testament to Israel's self-control.
HAHA! Good one! A joke, right?
Which madman? Bibbi, Obummer, Merkel, Juncker, DSK, Sarkozy, Putin, Kan, Rudy von Bernankenstein, Geitner, Paulson, McConnell, Cantor, Paul, Palin, Newt, LeGarde, Biden. So many to choose from.
We're gonna need a bigger short bus.
Exactly right Mr. Stein. Those who think otherwise are the real "conspiracy theorists" and are delusional.
Tuco
Megaphone response in 3.....2.....1....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
"They need an external enemy."
And so do we.
+1
Oh look! It's the bottom of the barrel!
That is actually the face of a slug you are looking at.
That was as predictable as the post itself.
"This is something the president needs to focus on instead of being forced to nickel and dime with the likes of Representative Eric Cantor and Senator Mitch McConnell. How incredible that these two, and their right-wing allies, have our government tied in knots in their incessant effort to elevate themselves by destroying the President of the United States. It is sickening."
Whaaaat? Where did this come from? The Dems and Rebubs both are responsible for the current mess. With the exception of this last paragraph the article was good.
Baer, remember, can't be too critical of His Oneness without getting Frozen Out by the Right People. So he has to burnish his credentials with the Ruling Circles in the Ruling Party by criticizing Boehner and Cantor. If you read between the lines, this is a scathing critique of how Obumbler has handled Netanyahu since he's been in office.
However, there are simply some things you can't say in the open in D.C. about Chicago Jesus and retain influence.
Yawn, another slow Sunday hitrate, another Tom Clanceyesque WW3 scenario unfolds in the minds of bored ZH staff.
You bet. Wheres that picture of the camel on the ship? Darla?????
Israel attacks Iran (as a proxy for the US), and Isreal will be wiped fucking out. It'll unleash WWIII.
Israel will nuke half the middle-east before being ``wiped out``.
I am even ready to go further: no Israel, no Saudis, no Iran, no Turkey, no France and no England.
God bless America without Zionists.
This is a good example of what would happen if Isreal attacked Iran:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkct10MkKy8
Israel is a military superpower, has at least 200+ nuclear warheads, and the means to deliver them.
Iran can stir up a lot of trouble for the US in the region as a response to an attack, but at the end of the day, Israel could obliterate Iran militarily with its drones, aircraft, submarines, missiles, & nukes. Do the Israelis care if half of Iran gets irradiated from fallout? So they get a bit of flak in the liberal media, they'll just accuse us all of being anti-semites. If the fallout drifts across 'friendly' countries, they'll just get Uncle Sugar to print up some more fiat to pay for damages.
I suspect TPTB are thinking it's maybe time to cow the Western public a bit with some real 'gloves off' warfare, reminded us who runs the show in our countries.
Thats too bad if it happens. Iranians are some of the nicest folks you will meet...however... sure would make for some hella interesting TV wouldn't it?
Ha, ha! I hope you are right, but I think Israel would come in with a flame thrower.
Tuco
Israel lost all creditability when their zionist operations in wall st. ruined America.
Even Jews in Iran says, zionism is all BS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaV9JScr1DA
zionism is not judaism.
zionism = tools to control your mind and jews to support their cause.
Nuke Counts:
Israel 300
Iran 0
You may want to reconsider?
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
Nuke counts:
Israel 300 (alleged)
China + Russia + Pakistan: ??? I don't have a clue, but you get the point hopefully.
An attack on Iran is an attack on China / Russia / Pakistan, the entire SCO alliance.
If nukes get involved Israel would be turned to glass before they got a half dozen in the air. Then nukes would start raining down on the US incidentally.
If nukes stay out of it Israel has the whole Arab / Muslum world coming after them.
If Israel wants to sacrifice itself for its imperialist US masters, go right fucking ahead ...and good fucking riddance.
If you look at history (ie. Japan), all you need is 1 and a backup. Iran will be nuclear ready in 2 months. That's the reason for all the hoopla.
You can thank ironically, the jewish banksters in New York who brought down the economy while Fed money printing raising oil prices relatively providing Iran with crude wealth to finance such cladestine operations.
Israels problem reduces itself to one word...geography, its too goddamned small, too many people packed into a tiny place, it could be flattened conventionally.Sad but true. Short on bodies and short on square miles.
"For the betting public out there, an September CL call may not be the dumbest trade possible..."
???????
Myself... CL????
That's trader for buying a call option on crude oil futures.... So you know.
CL is Light Sweet Crude.
Thank you very much.... War = oil prices soar... So why not buy a call expecting increase?
5 dollar gas? 10 dollar gas? 15? 25?
We don't care. We will continue on because we have had years to get ready.
It would be interesting when everyone's credit card is maxed out and cannot commute to work anymore.
Every great financial crises end up with a great patriotic wars, where real questions are shelved and ponzi scheme gets reset.
Another toy pulled from the chest of tricks to ensure US debt ceiling increase.
No shame, no conscience. I always wonder what the ones who say "nuke em all" are thinking. We can't use radiant oil. : )
Nuke Israel!
(not a big oil exporter, I hear)
you can say "nuke iran" no problem. if you say "nuke israel" you are a terrorist.
Maybe "nerk" Israel? We can all agree right here and now that it's a super-clever code, and we know what we're talking about when we use it in the future.
But Americans are never terrorists. ;)
True, unless of course they profess Christian beliefs or purchase PMs.
I'm pretty sure the automatic firearms have something to do with it.
Mr. T...both Christian and a collector of PMs, but not a terrorist.
Watch it, pal. Your neighbor may very well be with the mossad.
Look! I want to Hang my Government for Treason.. but I want to take a flame thrower to the Government of Iran! Fuck them! couldnt have happened to a nicer group of people!
Kill'em all and let God sort'em out!
err - what did the Iranian's do to earn your ire? Do they posess weapons of mass destruction too (just like Saddam)?
You are one rude SOB. Why don't you run off and play somewhere else.
Another war for Israel. More Americans and Muslims getting killed in support of the most retched evil country on the face of this planet.
Muslims = religious fools fighting Iranian elite's war against the west
Zionists Jews = religious fools fighting Israel's neo-colonialism
Saudis = religious fools keeping the Kingdom enslave them
American Christians = religious fools fighting and paying Israel's wars
Religion = control over masses
Do you really want to wipe 40,000,000 people from the face of the earth? The Iranians I have met have been fine people.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
I don't think most here really want to wipe Iran off the map.
But they are a clear and present danger.
A lot of work has been done with deep penetrators.
That may be the plan.
Iran might be a much nicer place if it had a few dozen new large subterranean caverns in place of nuclear facilities.
We don't want Iran to have larger nuclear phallicilities than we do, right?
its nice a former cia man to tell us this isn't it? almost on que.......
There is NOTHING an EX man with credibility is saying without permission.. lets be realists.. he doesn't want to die of a heart attack while brushing his teeth one morning.. or other.
Nothin for nothin.. but did anyone else.. as a child.. every night at dinner watch on the news the Iran Hostage situation?
I HATE! Iran's Government.. the people.. look cool! but the Mu la's and the Government.. need to be Offed!
it's up to the 'cool people' to root out Mulas not Israel.
yeah.. I hear ya.. but the Lobby Whores in DC that Israel bought and paid for? not so much..
Did you know that the Shi'ite Religion says that when their guy comes back to save the World that Jesus comes with him? I did not know that Jesus was so important to the Iranians.. or the majority which are Shi'ite.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/189422.html
"Based on Shiite faith the twelfth Imam lives among his people but remains unknown until the day he reappears as a savior of mankind, filling the world with his blessings.
According to the belief of Shiites and some Sunnis Imam Mahdi is hidden by God and will unite all Muslims at the time of his reappearance.
They say that upon his arrival he will be accompanied by a number of holy men including Jesus Christ…"
Please list all the world's governments which are not corrupt. It would be an extremely short list.
Tuco
we had a chance to help the internal revolution in Iran a couple years ago, but Obongo couldn't even pay lip service to their 'freedom fighters'... now most of them have been killed or imprisoned. Our little boy-king showed his true preferences right then & there. Yet now we're in some sort of vague kineticism in Libya...over oil? food? bidegradable shopping bags? nobody knows and the Obots are silent. Anybody seen Cindy Sheehan? Michael Moore? Thought so.
The Code Pink harpies have been retasked to the Peace Flotilla.
That is the only thing they seem to care about these days. Go figure.
America will go down before Iran goes down.
Be careful what you wish for ... you christian nutcase.
have you seen any of the video of a1 abrams running thru Iraq's tanks? at full speed? against 10 to 1 odds? and not even slowing down while taking them all out?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X4j_2Kgi9o
Iran doesnt have a chance, FACT!
Now back to what I originaly said.. I dont like the Government of Iran.. I said it twice and the Peace Love and Happiness Brigade jumped into homo erotic mode!
ALL YOU FUCKING HIPPIES LET THE BANKERS ASS FUCK US FOR THE LAST $) FUCKING YEARS! so get off my dick.
Guns n butter again... Since QE3 has been pre-nixed in the press and caused Bernokio to issue an apology we'll implement the only tool we have left....the SAW Doctrine. (Start A War)
Israel....
Israel.
Where have I heard that name before.???
Oh.! Right.
Thats the place with streets and Avenues called "Rothschilds Avenue" and stuff,and the same place that the USA bows down to.
Must be because of the history of Bankers and money that the USA plays second fiddle to Israel,Ooopps,I mean Rothschilds State.
even jews themselves admit what's going on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=895FBzj9QQc
"Non-Jews were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world-only to serve the People of Israel," ........"This is his servant...That's why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew."......"why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap; and we will sit? like an effendi (master) and eat."........ "That is why gentiles were created."
Israeli (former chief) Rabbi Ovadia Yosef 10/18/2010 (radio speech in Israel)
"...with a side of tartar sauce."
Is this the Great War that Faber and Gerald Celente have been talking about?
This is part of it. If it happens it will be "regional" and most likely involve the U. S. and China and/or Russia. Time will tell.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
I don't think I can take another onslaught of Israel's gonna bomb Iran talk. How about you guys only report on it after it happens, which will be never.
wolf!
Wolf!!
WOLF!!!
by the time they do bomb someone the populace is bored and doesn't care! they have been desensitized to the action thru threat and inaction.
baboon!
Fieldmouse!
LOLCAT!
"Never" is an extremely long time! Poor little Israel only has 300 nukes. Poor babies.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
Israel stole the Plutonium from us (the U.S.).
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/4817
or..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/mar/10/past.freedomofinformation
or both, God knows that Israel paid off enough of Washington DC to get it done.
I agree. Bring it fucking on! Those Iranians been askin for it with their gold purchases, OPEC rebellion, and new oil bourse. Don't they know not to mess with Amerika?
The economy is dead. We need to move into full conquest mode to save the dollar with Iranian oil. Prepare to be drafted!
No wonder there aren't any military cuts being discussed. Either this upcoming Shahmageddon is known or maybe the Republicans are back on their first priority...trying to defund NPR.
The fact that is soooooooooooooooooooo often over looked is that the Republican Party at its very core are evangelicals who want nothing more than to be in the valley of what ever with the bear and the eagle, yada yada yada..
so, war over there.. in this time frame?
even Iran see the Saudi King (because of his name) as the sign that the end is near!
***** "also. yes,its Shias (Shi'ites) belief that king abdullah's death will bring out their Mehdi,but strangely their Mehdi will speak Hebrew language according to them and do decisions not on Islamic Sharia but from David's or Dawuds Sharia ,notice any similarities with Dajal?" *****
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzrSibF-94
The Coming is Upon Us - The Revelation Continues
more than half the planet believe that by blowing shit up and killing people God will want to come back and straighten things out.
I say lets try to clean the place up if we are having God over for dinner.. not mess it up more than it already is.. but I am a romantic at heart, always hoping / praying for a happy ending for all.
TEOTWAWKI.
How I wish someone would've off'd that Iran-boyman long ago and freed the people of Iran. Seems like that would've been a good start....a nice, quite "accidident".
TEOTWAWKI.
How I wish someone would've off'd that Iran-boyman long ago and freed the people of Iran. Seems like that would've been a good start....a nice, quite "accidident".
"The president is up for re-election next year," Blair pointed out,
And that is a good reason for YES, Obama will support anything Israel does.
Americans always vote for the ``war president``... because they think it's their patriotic duty. Lots of neo-cons/republicans would vote for Obama if Obama bombs Iran to help Israel...
They've been brainwashed into hating Iran for 3 decades now. They hate arabs. It would also ``show how Obama really isn't a muslim``...
Obama does that, you betcha he's going to win 2012.
I would expect a draft however.... all of you who have enough brains in the US, you are welcome in Canada... but thing is, Canada will probably end up in Iran too with that nutjob Harper...
Just to clarify, Iranians are not Arabs.
I know that, but for the sheeple, they are all the same.
Iranians are Persians.
Persia was named Iran (ayrian) at the time of Hitler.
Canada? Canada is part and parcel of the Ziocon empire, fool.
There is no escape. Go kill the enemy in a foreign land and do your bankster empire duty. Don't you benefit from the Illuminati dollar? Well, now it's time to pay your imperial dues and go kill! Don't worry about all the terrorism unleashed; the TSA is there to grope your little kids' genitals and keep you safe!
+14.5 trillion
Even if they aren't Arabs they need to be taken out. Just look at all the countries they have invaded. Errr.......... Nevermind!
Tuco
Egyptians are Sunnis are Arabs. Iranians are Persian are Shias, and the Iranian mullahs hated us first. They hate non-muslim Canadians too because your heads are still on your shoulders.
Yeah, that's right, they hate us for our freedoms. You can read about some of the good stuff we've been doing 'for' the Iranians here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh#Overthrow_of_Mosaddegh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Uuuhhhhhh, being Sunni or Shi'a is unrelated to ethnicity. Most Muslims (80% according to wikiP) are non-Arab.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAzrSibF-94
watch that.. it was recorded before the Arab Spring.. mind you dont pay to much attention to that date they uploaded the video.. I posted this last year.. so well before the Arab Spring.. given the age and the message the Arab Spring seems to have a different message for the Sunni's in these Countries than what we are hearing on Cable News 24 hours a day.
I thought you would dig an inside look at what they say.. not what we say they say.
Much Luv Uncle Remus! to You and Yours!
JW. Interesting but not influential outside of Shi'a and even then I question its influence on younger generations of urban Iranans. Note that the video relies heavily on "Hadith" - sayings attributed to the Prophet Muhammad through considered acceptance of their provenance. What is a hadith to a Shi'a may not be to a Sunni and vice versa.
I compare Shi'a Islam to the Catholic church in many many ways, excluding the Jesus centric part of course.
Oh yeah, as a reminder, the 1st day of Ramadan is on or about July 13st, depending on the moon and your flavor of Islam.
Happy Fasting!
lotta Arabs in Iran these days, genius?
Frankly, I could care less about Israel. Let them have there ass handed to them and let's have north America stay hell out of that conflict. Use the money saved to beef up homeland scurity and ride it out. Got Canada's oil to see us through for a long while
the fatal flaw in your assumption is that Israel controls America. There will be no choice in the matter when all our 'leaders' are zionist sympathizers, if not installed as such.
Beef up homeland security!?? Yeah, let's hire more TSA goons to grope more 94 year olds and small children. I will take my chances with real terrorists. It's our goverment that we should all be worried about! They are tools of the New World Order. Homeland Security was set up to be used against the American people. Have you not figured that out yet!?
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Bobby Fischer, a chess player tells the truth:
Jews don't like to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D7APJ4dr78
And zionazis used American government to go after him. Freedom of speech my @ss.
and oh, Bobby is just a freaking chess player and a jew himself!
When Bobby said that the Jews own the place.. he was not kidding! see above..
29 standing ovations.. from Congress.. do you know what that costs?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aFNEog9CDI
Netanyahu Got 29 "Bipartisan" Standing Ovations From Congress
Here is a Great Video of those Poor Israelis Suffering the Poor Palestinians!
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/189549.html
They were forced to cut down olive trees at a farm that a Palestinian has owned for generations.. because they wanted more free land.
I really am beginning to believe.. that since America changed its immigration laws (after non-stop lobbying by the Jews from the 1920's forward) that America has slid some what down hill.. it would be interesting to see an economic chart with influx of new people?? anyone got something like that handy? Please??
How about we confiscate Lloyd's Blankensteins money and send him back to the stolen / occupied land of Israel and any of his friends that dont like it too?
American ZOG is crazy enough to assist while the economy goes down the drain. China and Russia won't just 'refrain from voting' on this one.
Iran will fire 11 thousand rockets, if not more by now: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/20/world/main3388106.shtml
And ofcourse Lebanon (Hezbollah) will help Iran. Hello WW3.
Meanwhile, we in Europe will be nuked by the Jews too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
So thanks a lot America, for not handeling the Jewish Question!
i would be careful to disassociate jews and zionists.
Eh.. Do you know what's written in the Talmud? Where do you think the Zionists get the inspiration for their shenanigans?
Anybody out there think this isn't about gold?
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/secret-iran-gold-holdings-leaked-tehran-holds-same-amount-gold-united-kingdom-and-buying-mor
Dinar prep?
Nice!
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...it's prophetic. Israel is the burdensome stone and the Kabba kissing freaks are Antichrist also. Nobody around Israel or in Israel shall be standing fast and doing no harm, as perfectly defined by the image of our Father in Christ. Get over it! The Bible is either true or false, every knee bows Bitchez, and by the time your dusty ass tries to equate logic to all of this at a time like never before in human history, well...
...for a report like this to come out at this time, it's timed perfectly with the whole coming 2012 ''new age'' new world order'' crisis action. You have to be a fearful dumb ass not to recognize the prophetic or just the evil reality of what is upon this generation. Face it, nobody can get away with not at least offering the same image of mercy defined by Christ. There is no case for anything less. Israel and the nations can offer their claim of dominion but, they are all guilty, having consumed the wine of wrath in the BTFD Cup of Fornication. When people accept the same seal and stand against love and try to claim the Truth is a choice, well that's the mark of the beast to be sure and that means ...into the black hole your dusty ass goes. Better divest now Bitchez, stand fast and do no harm or die in defense of the evil consuming (if possible) all flesh.
No matter what you do, you just can't seem to keep Bush from meddling in the Middle East, by proxy or otherwise.
I think we’ve already agreed that Congress and the President are little more than puppets. Given current events, I am starting to believe that may be true. I remain hopeful that some competency remains at the highest levels of power be that within our ‘Government’ or manipulating it from the outside—likely not for the public’s benefit.
In either case it seems unlikely that such a war would be in anyone’s interest unless you start to factor in conspiracy-theory ideas about peak oil and future energy wars.
I know very little about Israel and even less about Iran. If Iran believes we are as EVIL as ‘they’ say then, they should shut us off from their oil. It sounds like that could deal a blow more severe to the US than any number of terrorist attacks could ever hope to achieve.
Sooner or later someone will make a mistake that will expose Obama for the charlatan he is and the American public will be forced to line up behind new leadership. That’s when we’ll really need to worry because the conservatives are old, tired and will soon be dependent on the government they claim is ruining our country. What’ll be left are the soft, ignorant masses eager to support the next “Hope & Change” mouthpiece that likely won’t be incompetent.
Right on schedule, 6-days to Debt Bomb D-Day.
I'm sure the American pseudo-left (CodePink, etc.) will be apoplectic over this latest unfunded sabre rattling exercise in the Blood For Oil region of the world in 5... 4... 3... 2... (never)
Who wants to bet me that there will be no shooting war with Iran, Israel or the USA this September?
Fade Baer.
Who wants to bet me that there will be no shooting war with Iran, Israel or the USA this September?
Fade Baer.
Nouriel Roubini just linked to this story in a tweet. Strange that he would do so, but he is a well connected man. Robert Wenzel also linked to this story as well as pointing out Roubini's connections to high places. I think that this story may just have legs.
They might be thinking that if it gets publicised enough beforehand, it may not happen
Who wants to bet me that there will be no shooting war with Iran, Israel or the USA this September?
Fade Baer.
Nothing going to happen....all talk once again. Isreal has become as bad as the United States as being the big woosies....talk a big game, and do nothing. How long have we been putting up with Iran and North Korea? How long have we been giving them hush money? Back in the day, Isreal would have already been bombing Iran. Today, the are just as passive as the idiots here in the U.S.
Wanna see what the U.S. produces? Watch this, skip to 7 min 30 sec and start watching. If you have kids please, don't let them become this f**king stupid.
http://www.spike.com/full-episodes/jehxo5/repo-games-baby-knows-best-sea...
Yes, the U. S. has been very passive in MENA in the last nine months!:) Ha, ha!
Tuco
OMFG.
If this is what America has been reduced to, I think we have hit rock bottom.
I think even the most tyrannical of New World Orders would be a step up from here...
Nazi Germany wasn't even this bad; they at least wore uniforms and worked.
I'm going to vomit.
Blah, blah, too late, they can will shoot back.
A CIA agent turned author.
Nah, I don't buy it. The Israeli's are too smart, and do too much business with Iran (bet you didn't know that.)
Come to think of it, so do we.
A war with/to/by/in Iran is the lowest realm of the conspiracy nut scenarios.
I'm surprised at old Bob.
"Today the truth is a conspiracy theory." Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
"Nah, I don't buy it. The Israeli's are too smart, and do too much business with Iran (bet you didn't know that.)
Come to think of it, so do we."
US did lots of business with Japan and Germany right up to WWII.
OK, fair enough. I just feel today there is a cabal (no religious intention, I've read some of the more recent comments!) of billionaires whose interests trump politics while they control governments.
Their religions and/or nationalities are merely smokescreens for us rubes.
Maybe they're waiting until after the entire inventory of US F-22's all stop grounding order is lifted.
Hyper-speculate all you want. You'll see it in the futures before you see it in the papers. Keep your charts up at night with alerts.
Gee, maybe I should take the fall tuition money and buy cl's since the economy will be ruint soaked and I won't be getting a job anyhow. Then I can sit here and imagine about all the stuff I could buy if only I could get my money out of my trading account that's shut down and the internet is off. And fucking dumbasses wondering how they're gona get to work when gas is $15gallon? Get real. You're job will fucking evaporate. $15gas=GAME FUCKING OVER.
I don't think people have any clue how 'bad' bad can get!
Gee, maybe I should take the fall tuition money and buy cl's since the economy will be ruint soaked and I won't be getting a job anyhow. Then I can sit here and imagine about all the stuff I could buy if only I could get my money out of my trading account that's shut down and the internet is off. And fucking dumbasses wondering how they're gona get to work when gas is $15gallon? Get real. You're job will fucking evaporate. $15gas=GAME FUCKING OVER.
I don't think people have any clue how 'bad' bad can get!
Hey Over Educated and Under Accomplished,
Not everybody is a "dumbass" or "sheeple"
Way too much arrogance here from everybody trying to sound smart and predict the future.
I was checking my credit score today. LMFAO!
not if you have a Chevy Volt lol
stop being a hamster chasing that fico nut...jusayin.
This is big. I think I first came across this yesterday at American Thinker. I distinctly remember, because the only other time I shit my pants as an adult was when I had to take a mulligan in Tijuana '94, due to bad food.
Unless this is disinformation, this leakage stymies Israel by letting Iran prepare for Israel. Maybe they just want to see Iran's response from the Eye in the Sky. Israel's prospects have certainly changed since the US 2010 elections. Obama is so anti-Israel he previously might have ordered shooting down Israeli planes over Iraq; now, they might be the key to his re-election if they can pull off something dramatic. Obama will take credit if it works, become 100% anti-semitic if it fails.
More likely, such an action will unite the MB across the Middle East and activate the sleeper Hezbollah cells already in the USA.
"The warmest Summer I ever spent was the ThermoNuclear Winter in San Francisco" --- Mark Twain's great great grandson.
TheBamster anti-semitic?
The guy wouldn't be in office if it weren't for the jews.
And he will be backed by 90% of them next year, he'll win again.
"Disinformation" doesn't even begin to describe the byzantine politics of Israel, the jews and the United States. It helps a great deal to think of Israel as our 51st state.
Obama's speech to AIPAC, May, 2011:
A strong and secure Israel is in the national security interest of United States not simply because we share strategic interests, although we do both seek a region where families and their children can live free from the threat of violence. It’s not simply because we face common dangers, although there can be no denying that terrorism and the spread of nuclear weapons are grave threats to both our nations.
America’s commitment to Israel’s security also flows from a deeper place —and that’s the values we share. As two people who struggled to win our freedom against overwhelming odds, we understand that preserving the security for which our forefathers fought must be the work of every generation. As two vibrant democracies, we recognize that the liberties and freedom we cherish must be constantly nurtured. And as the nation that recognized the State of Israel moments after its independence, we have a profound commitment to its survival as a strong, secure homeland of the Jewish people.
We also know how difficult that search for security can be, especially for a small nation like Israel in a tough neighborhood. I’ve seen it firsthand. When I touched my hand against the Western Wall and placed my prayer between its ancient stones, I thought of all the centuries that the children of Israel had longed to return to their ancient homeland. When I went to Sderot, I saw the daily struggle to survive in the eyes of an eight-year old boy who lost his leg to a Hamas rocket. And when I walked among the Hall of Names at Yad Vashem, I grasped the existential fear of Israelis when a modern dictator seeks nuclear weapons and threatens to wipe Israel off the map.
Because we understand the challenges Israel faces, I and my administration have made the security of Israel a priority. It’s why we’ve increased cooperation between our militaries to unprecedented levels. It’s why we’re making our most advanced technologies available to our Israeli allies. And it’s why, despite tough fiscal times, we’ve increased foreign military financing to record levels.
Israel wants to avoid a "two front" war when Egypt falls apart and the Muslim Brotherhood et al sends the Egyptian army across the Sinai during a Iranian sponsored Hezbollah/Hamas/Syrian blitzkrieg.
After Iran, China is next, the real enemy. Iran is China's little proxy, being fed missile and nuclear technology via North Korea and Pakistan.
Bombs away! You don't have to like it. You just have to see the necessity of it.
You're out of your mind. Have a look at what happens to Egypt if Israel bombs the Aswan dam.
Even without the dam issue, their military is no match for Israel's. Israel is a nuclear-armed power, FFS.
necessary for what exactly?
To avoid high oil price in the future?
Here is a though: I am ready to sell my car and walk everyday for the rest of my life if that mean we can avoid WWIII. Because you know, I will at least still have both of my legs in place and be alive instead of whatever state you will be when you will come back from this war (if you ever do). In the mean time people will get tired of desastrous oil price and they will ADAPT to the situation and find an alternative to it.
Do you really want to fight China for resources? I am pretty sure the western powers would be in a better state if they would just bring all of their troops back home and find alternative to oil with the saved money.
If you see necessity of this war then may I suggest you are incredibly short sighted?
http://theopeningrange.blogspot.com/
I've been thinkning long and hard about this...I don't think anyones opinion really matters.
http://theopeningrange.blogspot.com/
"In matters of opinion, debate is pointless. Nothing accounts for taste". ...
To have your name on a ship that can do lots of killing... my what a way to keep your name remembered...
Absolutely disgusting and obscene
"And it would threaten the existence of the state of Israel."
Well, then, at least there is some modicum of good that can come out of it.
If oil goes parabolic tomorrow, I'll believe it. Calls, ETFs, whatever. By the time some shmoe like me reads this the elites have slept on it for days.
We need WWIII now more than ever.
Good. Take you and your loved ones and fight the war then! Let me know how it turns out for you.
Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez
The little piece of shit that is Israel has been using the US for its own interests for decades nnow and congress has always played along. Why? The jewish lobby in Washington is so powerful that nobody can get elected without the money from these people any more. We are a Zionist puppet country, like it or not.
What does USA have which Israel does not? World's most powerful military. Combine that to the victimhood of holocaust, you have an untouchable empire.
Zionazis: "Question us, you are an anti-smite. If you don't do what we say, then we will send American military and wipe you out."
Yeah but Allah is pimp. Allah beats women and puts them in prison for lies by other Allahs. ALlah is woman hating coward with a little penis.
Muslims suck too! Nobody can say I am not an equal opportunity racist.
Bernanke, Geithner, Blankfein, Orszag, Gensler, Shapiro, Strauss-Kahn, Greenspan, Summers, Fuld, James Cayne, Rubin, Sarkozy, Frank, Schumer.....
Imagine instead: Capone, Rocco, Corleone, Tattaglia, DiNapoli, Gotti, Bonanno, Lucchese, Scardino....