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CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush Enters Persian Gulf As CIA Veteran Robert Baer Predicts September Israel-Iran War

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One look at the most recent naval update maps shows that in addition to global insolvency (courtesy of the broke European dominoes and a potentially technically broke US), a UK on the verge of a parliamentary scandal courtesy of a media baron whose empire is crumbling, and not to mention yet another downward inflection point in the global economic slowdown courtesy of the end of QE2 and no replacement yet, market watchers may have to start factoring in geopolitical risk yet again. While the fact that Syria, Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, and now Turkey, are ever more increasingly on edge is apparently something Mr. Market has managed to internalize, when it comes to geopolitics everyone stops to listen when renewed Iran-Israel rumblings reappear. Which may just be the case. As the most recently updated naval map from Stratfor demonstrates, the CVN 77 G.H.W. Bush has just entered the Persian Gulf, the first time a US aircraft carrier has passed through the Straits of Hormuz in months. What is also notable is that the LHD 5 Bataan amphibious warfare ship has just weighed anchor right next to Libya: this is odd since the coast of Tripoli had been left unattended for many weeks by US attack ships. And topping it all off is that a third aircraft carrier, the CVN 73, is sailing west from the South China seas, potentially with a target next to CVN 76 Ronald Reagan which is the second carrier in the Straits of Hormuz area. Three carriers in proximity to Iran would be extremely troubling, yet fit perfectly with the story of CIA veteran Robert Baer, the man played by George Clooney in Syriana, who as Al Jazeera reports, appeared on KPFK Los Angeles, warning that Israeli PM Netanyahu is "likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future." It gets worse: "Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war." The punchline: "There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained." For the betting public out there, an September CL call may not be the dumbest trade possible...

First, the naval update per Stratfor:

And, courtesy of Al Jazeera and Haaretz, the full take from Robert Baer:

Earlier this week, Robert Baer appeared on the provocative KPFK Los Angeles show Background Briefing, hosted by Ian Masters. It was there that he predicted that Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is likely to ignite a war with Iran in the very near future.

Robert Baer has had a storied career, including a stint in Iraq in the 1990s where he organised opposition to Saddam Hussein. (He was recalled after being accused of trying to organise Saddam's assassination.) Upon his retirement, he received a top decoration for meritorious service.

Baer is no ordinary CIA operative. George Clooney won an Oscar for playing a character based on Baer in the film Syriana (Baer also wrote the book).

He obviously won't name many of his sources in Israel, the United States, and elsewhere, but the few he has named are all Israeli security figures who have publically warned that Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak are hell-bent on war.

Most former Mossad chiefs wary of Netanyahu

Baer was especially impressed by the unprecedented warning about Netanyahu's plans by former Mossad chief Meir Dagan. Dagan left the Israeli intelligence agency in September 2010. Two months ago, he predicted that Israel would attack and said that doing so would be "the stupidest thing" he could imagine. According to Haaretz:

When asked about what would happen in the aftermath of an Israeli attack Dagan said that: "It will be followed by a war with Iran. It is the kind of thing where we know how it starts, but not how it will end."

The Iranians have the capability to fire rockets at Israel for a period of months, and Hizbollah could fire tens of thousands of grad rockets and hundreds of long-range missiles, he said.

According to Ben Caspit of the Israeli daily Maariv, Dagan's blasts at Israel's political leadership are significant not only because Mossad chiefs, in office or retired, traditionally have kept their lips sealed, but also because Dagan is very conservative on security matters.

Caspit writes that Dagan is "one of the most rightwing militant people ever born here. ... When this man says that the leadership has no vision and is irresponsible, we should stop sleeping soundly at night".

Dagan describes the current Israeli government as "dangerous and irresponsible" and views speaking out against Netanyahu as his patriotic duty.

And his abhorrence of Netanyahu is not uncommon in the Israeli security establishment. According to Think Progress, citing the Forward newspaper, 12 of the 18 living ex-chiefs of Israel's two security agencies (Mossad and Shin Bet), are "either actively opposing Netanyahu's stances or have spoken out against them". Of the remaining six, two are current ministers in Netanyahu government, leaving a grand total of four out of 18 who independently support the prime minister.

In short, while Congress dutifully gives Netanyahu 29 standing ovations, the Israelis who know the most about both Netanyahu and Israel's strategic situation think he is a dangerous disaster.

But according to Baer, we ain't seen nothing yet.

There is almost "near certainty" that Netanyahu is "planning an attack [on Iran] ... and it will probably be in September before the vote on a Palestinian state. And he's also hoping to draw the United States into the conflict", Baer explained.

The Israeli air force would attack "Natanz and other nuclear facilities to degrade their capabilities. The Iranians will strike back where they can: Basra, Baghdad", he said, and even Afghanistan. Then the United States would jump into the fight with attacks on Iranian targets. "Our special forces are already looking at Iranian targets in Iraq and across the border [in Iran] which we would strike. What we're facing here is an escalation, rather than a planned out-and-out war. It's a nightmare scenario. We don't have enough troops in the Middle East to fight a war like that." Baer added, "I think we are looking into the abyss".

Another US war?

Masters asked Baer why the US military is not mobilising to stop this war from happening. Baer responded that the military is opposed, as is former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who used his influence to thwart an Israeli attack during the Bush and Obama administrations. But he's gone now and "there is a warning order inside the Pentagon" to prepare for war.

It should be noted that the Iranian regime is quite capable of triggering a war with the United States through some combination of colossal stupidity and sheer hatred. In fact, as Baer explained, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would welcome a war. They are "paranoid". They are "worried about ... what's happening to their country economically, in terms of the oil embargo and other sanctions". And they are worried about a population that increasingly despises the regime.

They need an external enemy. Because we are leaving Iraq, it's Israel. But in order to make this threat believable, they would love an attack on their nuclear facilities, love to go to war in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and Iraq and hit us where they could. Their defense is asymmetrical. We can take out all of their armored units. It's of little difference to them, same with their surface-to-air missile sites. It would make little difference because they would use terrorism. They would do serious damage to our fleet in the Gulf.

Given all that, is it possible that the United States would allow Israel to attack when the president knows we would be forced to join the war on Israel's side?

"The president is up for re-election next year," Blair pointed out, and Israel is "truly out of control".

What happens when you see 100 F-16's approaching Iraq and there is a call to the White House [from Netanyahu] that says "We're going in, we're at war with Iran"? What does the President of the United States do? He has little influence over Bibi Netanyahu. ... We can't stop him. And he knows it.

It's a pretty frightening scenario, made infinitely more so by the fact that top Israelis (who have heard Netanyahu's thinking from Netanyahu himself) also see the future the same way. Those Israelis deserve a world of credit for sounding the warning bell loudly enough that we would hear it and do something about it - although it's impossible to know if the people who matter are paying attention.

Actually, only one person matters: the US president. If Israel bombed Iran tomorrow, Congress would forget all about their partisan differences and run, not walk, to the House and Senate floors to endorse the attack and call for unstinting support for Israel. That is what Congress always does, and will always do so long as the lobby (and the donors it directs) are the key players in making our Middle East policies.

And who knows what Obama would do? So far, he has not exactly distinguished himself when it comes to standing up to Netanyahu.

But an Israeli attack on Iran would be different. It would endanger countless Americans (in the region and here at home, too). It would kill off any economic recovery by causing oil prices to skyrocket. It would engulf us in another Middle East war. And it would threaten the existence of the state of Israel.

This is something the president needs to focus on instead of being forced to nickel and dime with the likes of Representative Eric Cantor and Senator Mitch McConnell. How incredible that these two, and their right-wing allies, have our government tied in knots in their incessant effort to elevate themselves by destroying the President of the United States. It is sickening.

h/t devaang

 

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Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:52 | 1464831 CSA
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The only thing we export better than food... is war.  We really need 4 or 5 simultaneous wars to increase our economy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations

 

Pretty sick, huh?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:18 | 1465002 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Wars destroy people and economies.  It is a myth that it does otherwise.

 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Tue, 07/19/2011 - 21:13 | 1472554 CSA
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If that were the case, we would have destroyed ourselves long ago.  

 

Wars in and of themselves may (or may not) destroy people and economies.  Most of that depends on what spoils are carried off by the victor.  We export military goods to our allies and then ask them to be a part of the coalition with our materials.  Then you have to consider the mercinaries that are left behind and paid by the new propped up government and the continued military supplies that they receive (mostly through payment).  Make no mistake, war is profit.  We finally pulled out of the Great Depression as a result of WWII.

 

When you hear someone say "we are protecting our interests" that equals money or natural resources we want access to.  

 

Otherwise, we'd be in Syria right now "protecting the people" and "spreading democracy".

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:53 | 1464838 AldousHuxley
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Jewish grandmother in Israel tells the truth about fake bankster Jews in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjqN4dtbSOA

 

Jew: "They say there are lots of anti-semites out there"

Grandma: "Where? Abroad? Then why don't they come here? If there are anti-semites, why don't they come here [Israel]? Are they waiting to get killed?"

Jew: "Why don't they come?"

Grandma: "Well, they love money.Jews love money. Jews are crooks. A Jew is a crook. They make money there. Why should they come here [Israel] and work for money if they can make money there without working?"

Jew: "Don't they work there?"

Grandma: "They don't work. That's what I'm saying. They have money without working. If they come here, they have to work"

Jew: "How do they have money without working?"

Grandma: "How do they make money? Interest. lending money at high rates...selling liquor....wine...Jews know this monkey business. Jews know all about monkey business"

Grandma: "I tell you, I am the real Jew. Money does not blind me."

Jew: "But you talk like anti-semites saying Jews don't work"

Grandme: "No I don't...if they want to stay abroad...Are they waiting for another Hitler to come and kill them before they run away?"

 

Even jews are ashamed. There are many decent jews. They know if they don't police themselves, then world will give rise to the second coming of Hitler.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:01 | 1464851 Caviar Emptor
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Hitler killed only defenseless peasants, farmers, shopkeepers and babies. Decent people just trying to make a subsistence living. He never got near the wealthy. Do you believe most Arabs control oil wealth? 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:13 | 1464878 AldousHuxley
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Hitler is what you get when you have hyperinflation. Why would Hitler kill wealthy aryans given they appeared meek enough to his control.

 

Arabs don't control jack squat. US controls Saudis who are nothing without US military technology. Except Persians (Iranians) are trying to use oil wealth to build up their country instead of turning into a puppet kingdom like Saudis. For US, kings are easier to control than a mass democracy with educated populace. US just wants control of oil. They don't care about the people. Ever notice how US enemies are all oil exporting countries. You refuse to evalue your natural resource in dollars, you are enemy of US.

 

Not to say I'm not enjoying lower gas prices. But I don't want Hitler and TSA groping so that I can save few bucks in gas which could be replaced by investments in technology.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:13 | 1464882 ChemicalAli
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There was no holocaust. This Jew (David Cole) investigates Auschwitz and interrogates the head researcher of the camp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54aJHSXF1YQ

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:25 | 1464913 AldousHuxley
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You can deny holocaust, but you can be damn sure of the holocaust industry by Jews with no ties to the actual victims. How many more holocaust films by over rated jews actors?

We got the point Jews. Now show some loyalty by getting ri of politicians with dual citizenship.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:41 | 1465297 HungrySeagull
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Actually it was Stalingrad that proved to be the final anvil that broke Hitler's hand as he grasped for the riches of the middle eastern oil. If he won that, all the allied bombings of the synthetic plants would have been for naught.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 18:55 | 1464843 Caviar Emptor
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If Isreal doesn't act as a counterweight to Iran, guess who's at risk? Saudi. That's the whole game right there and why a US carrier is entering the gulf. Iran has many sympathizers on the ground. Bahrain is but one example. 

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:22 | 1464906 AldousHuxley
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And why is Iran so anti-israel? because Israel is so blatant in their objectives by taking over palastine. When US pays you money to be an outpost, keep quiet and listen to America. Go back to UN resolution borders. Don't go out taking over land without US permission. America needs to reign Israel back. Bitches are out of control with their greed.

 

If Israel could infiltrate banking industry in China, they would renounce their US loyalty in a second.

 

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:22 | 1465016 Sven Sikztu
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congrats- can't take the ludicrous anti-semitism this once-interesting thread has devolved into. Huxley you need help. any black helicopters over your house lately?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:43 | 1465270 FinalCollapse
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Fuck off. We  are not pro or against. Just do whatever you fuckers want to do, but do not drag USA into it. We will make friends with the winner of this war.

Why don't you just eat each other over there - we will have more oil for us.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1465139 lizzy36
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Brilliant assessment. Truly astute.

Yes Israel wants to take over Palestine. That is the end game.

Now that you know that the gig really is up.

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:11 | 1464874 zen0
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I thought that Israeli planes needed codes supplied by the U.S. to overfly Iraq without being attacked.

 

They would have to get them before they took off.  How could the U.S. be caught by surprise? This story maybe disinformation.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:12 | 1464992 Tuco Benedicto ...
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As I recollect Israeli jets could circumvent Iraq but require refueling and also decrease the liklihood of stealth.

 

Tuco

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:14 | 1464886 Things that go bump
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In the asymmetric linguistic trend analyses reports from the halfpasthuman.com site this attack has been showing up in the data for quite a long time.  It appears to be associated with an act by Israel that is so heinous it earns Israel the general opprobrium of the entire world, earns it the label of a rogue state of war criminals and there is an 80% chance, according to the linguistic data, that the country ends up as a plain of fused glass.  

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:30 | 1465023 gangland
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could you please provide just one example of halfpasthuman.com "analysis" of internet linguistics "data" that was borne out?  that can be verified independently? correlation is not causation. correlation in the right hands is snake oil. how many times you gonna get burned? even a broken clock is right twice a day.  Thanks in advance.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:37 | 1465159 Things that go bump
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I believed they could be onto something when I recalled a television program I had seen on the science channel that stated in a certain study people were shown pictures flashing on a computer screen, some of them disturbing. Their physical reactions were recorded (EEGs, etc.). It was discovered that well before a disturbing picture was shown the subject was noted to display a measurable stress reaction indicating some form of foreknowledge not previously thought possible.  Therefore, I was not prepared to dismiss their claims totally out of hand, though I wasn't prepared to spend several hundred dollars for a report simply to assuage my curiosity.  I did find a copy of one of their reports floating around the net when someone had downloaded it and I found it quite depressing.  However, at one point, a large earthquake was predicted to occur around the time of the Bush girl's wedding several years ago.  There was mention in the data of a picture of the wedding party (it did not specify whose wedding)that was taken at the time the quake began.  There was a large earthquake in China during the time frame the quake was expected.  You might remember it.  A lot of children were at school and were killed when their schools collapsed.  The agonized parents were all over the news.  Shortly after, a picture was up on the net of a half dozen or so Chinese brides.  It was taken at the moment of the quake, just as predicted.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:54 | 1465189 gangland
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appreciate your viewpoints, thanks, im not a positivist, im more into correlation than causation (see Godel), im jussayin that im not buying into halfpasthuman.com's analytic methodology, mass consciousness as expressed via the internet? sure, but...maybe...and not with halfpasthuman.com...again my opinion is really worthless. just expressing for goofs.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:08 | 1465478 Things that go bump
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Why should you buy into their analytic method?  They don't offer any proof that I'm aware of. I don't think they have any.  I don't think they open up their methodology for examination either.  But did you know that people also seem able to influence random number generators in a statistically significant way?  I've always found mathematics uninteresting and didn't have the desire to pursue any more advanced instruction in that discipline beyond what is necessary to manage my household accounts. Luckily, math is not the only armature upon which to build a world view and there seem to be stranger things than precognition coming out of quantum mechanics if my necessarily imperfect understanding of the things I have been told are not completely off base.   

 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:26 | 1465623 gangland
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"math is not the only armature upon which to build a world view and there seem to be stranger things than precognition coming out of quantum mechanics"

 

i actually think we are simpatico. thanks for your thoughts ; )

 

what if logic is invalid?  and if not, what if it's incomplete?  what if our knowledge will never be systematically complete (godel mathematically proved this, but what if we dont have the math?[my belief])? what about objectivity then? what about subjectivity? bias

again i dont necessarily object to cliff's conclusions re mass consciousness via internet, just his methodology.

just kicking around some existential stuff.

 

bell's theorem (best explanation, it's taken me over 13 years to just barely grasp this):

http://www.upscale.utoronto.ca/PVB/Harrison/BellsTheorem/BellsTheorem.html

"In 1975 Stapp called Bell's Theorem "the most profound discovery of science." Note that he says science, not physics...."

consider the following statement: "

This statement is false.

Notice that if this statement is true, then it must be false. If the statement if false, then it must be true. So we have a chain of True » False » True » False ...."

it's a word play on the fractal nature of reality.

start from there. the basics. Fibonacci sequence. ask why?? why should it be so. the most important question is why?  it is a multi-disciplinary question.  we dont have the math to answer it.

godel's proof philosophical:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00dshx3

 

godel's proof mathematical:

http://blog.plover.com/math/Gdl-Smullyan.html

 

Godel proved, PROVED!!!!!!!! that we have an incomplete understanding of reality, moreover, an incomplete system of knowledge; he used the highest math to PROVE this. that our system of knowledge can NEVER know the truth, and he proved this via  mathematics, our math, the human species math.

when you synthesize all of it it makes sense, not from a quantitative pov, but from a synthesis of quantitative and qualitative povS.

Not sure if this is making any kind of sense...a lil help?

 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 13:12 | 1466910 Things that go bump
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It hurts my head to try to wrap my brain around Godel.  

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:23 | 1464909 Coldfire
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Those who advocate wars of aggression should volunteer themselves and their children for the front line equivalents.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:59 | 1464969 Remington IV
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why ???

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:27 | 1464918 IQ 101
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???

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:39 | 1464939 Marlon Brando
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We would decimate Iran rather quickly, the problem is holding it. Can't we all just get along? My kid is not going into the service to be cannon fodder for the Elite's. Fuck that shit.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:09 | 1464984 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Ditto here Marlon.  You can bet that sometime in the next few years a draft in the U. S. will be reinstituted.  Over my dead body will my son die fighting for the New World Order!

 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:58 | 1464964 Scorpio69er
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It is assumed that Israel could kick Iran's ass. That is a wrongheaded assumption after their last failed incursion into Lebanon. There is also Russia and China to consider in any U.S. involvement in a war with Iran. An attack by Israel and/or the U.S. on an Iranian nuclear facility would kill many Russian civilian advisors. The blowback could be enormous. Thus, no one in their right mind inside the U.S. government would directly involve us in a war with Iran. Indeed, this is precisely why, in spite of all of the bellicose rhetoric of the last few years, we have not attacked Iran. The costs are too enormous and the potential bad consequences are many and unthinkable.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:43 | 1465038 gangland
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"Real Men go to Tehran." - 'Anonymous' Bush 43 administration official aka deadly dick

“Crime once exposed has no refuge but in audacity" - Tacitus

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:32 | 1465283 snowball777
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He's "Dead-Ticker Dick" now and the word of a guy with 5 deferments on what does or does not constitute a "real man" is worth less than an FRN.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:37 | 1465290 gangland
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  + Church.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:58 | 1464967 Remington IV
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this will end in 1 month , tops

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:06 | 1464983 FlyPaper
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IMO, Obama totally f'd the Israeli position with his Israeli border rhetoric and need to try and be Presidential.  Bebe let him have it with both guns and made Barack look like the inexperienced fellow he is. 

a)  Is this all a bluff - meant to demonstrate to the US that we (Israel) can make your life pretty damn difficult so don't toss sand in our face, or

b)  Israel is feeling isolated (given Obama's support for the Islamic world) and are thinking they need to take matters into their own hands.  

c)  They have intel that US does not have on what Iran is intending.

With Syria in turmoil it doesn't help Iran who is trying to pinch Israel between hostile neighbors.  

Too much speculation, not enough information.  Can't draw a conclusion~

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:48 | 1465047 gangland
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ok thoughts, thanks for them.  one of your assumptions stands out to me:

"Obama's support for the Islamic world"

 

I don't have the energy to argue it. Just expressing my opinion. makes a market . I'll sell what you said all day.

 

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:17 | 1464999 mind_imminst
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Just based on history, I am not sure that Israel attacking Iran would be that big of a deal, other than a flash-in-the-pan media headline for a couple of days (then everyone can go back to watching what Casey Anthony is doing). Israel bombed Iraq nuke facilities. Israel bomombed Syria nuke facilities. Not much happened. I suspect the same will happen if Israel attacks Iran's nuke facilities. World media will say "shame on Israel". Things will be back to normal in short order. U.S. attacking Iran would be a different story. Then I would say we are in deep shit and it would probably be a planned distraction from the Greater Depression.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:26 | 1465134 Tuco Benedicto ...
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Good point.  A bombing run is a lot different than a full blown invasion.  I believe U. S. will invade Libya in September, hence troop and ship movements.  Don't ask me why we will invade them other than to follow the orders of demon elite.

 

Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:30 | 1465028 New_Meat
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"Hizbollah"

Hezb' Allah-

There, fixed it for ya.

- Ned

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:51 | 1465060 gangland
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not sure the subtleties of the language translate into english or latin based languages, the alphabet is way shorter (thus easier to learn at least for beginners, in western languages, especially in english, a beautiful language , see Shakespeare, the subtleties come later with mastery).  not a criticism, just an observation.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 20:50 | 1465059 goldenbuddha454
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The surprise is that it (Israel-Iran War) hasn't happened yet, especially in light of the IEA and USA dumping oil on the market to pre-empt the obvious runup in crude oil prices as a result of this coming war.  If you think Israel is going to stand by and get nuked you have another thing coming.  Saudi Arabia already said they would nuke up if Iran attained them first.  Something major is coming so hold on for a wild ride IMO.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:30 | 1465142 cosmictrainwreck
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thanks, both, for injecting a little humor.... man, you's guys are, like, archeologists, or what? guess '95 was a good year....

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:06 | 1465091 davebrik99
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OK!  Google Obama's Whitehouse staff, appointments, and advisors.  Now Google their names and you will see WHY our foreign policy is tilted against all Arabs.  Obama is a puppet  and AIPAC and Soros runs him.........any questions???

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:08 | 1465097 davebrik99
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Don't get me wrong.  I support Israel against Iran and don't really care if they nuke em. They are downwind after all.  BUT ..........don't make US soldiers mercenaries for Israel!  Our Congress SHOULD make sure that don't happen...........again!!!!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:15 | 1465108 israhole
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Yeah!  Dumbass Americans can fight another, even bigger war for Israel's benefit.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:19 | 1465117 Goatboy
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And now something completely different:

http://youtu.be/utVkVQnAY64

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1465128 Slap That Taco
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Guys, guys.....

  Enough with the Jews already, OK?  Maybe I've just seen too many people of all nationalities and religions fuck with each other.

  I know you dig the uniforms-they were very cool, but the nazi's probably lost the war because they were more nazi then German.

  An afterthought-just because you hate Jews doesn't mean you're not a money grubbing thief yourself.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:35 | 1465143 gangland
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+ goddamn best comment on thread

i admit it, im a fukin money grubinn douche, gimme all the fuken cash beachoez, and im not even jweish. just gimme to me. i amit it i just finally fukin want it allllllll! the fukin yuastchts the islans, the 10ksq feet for 28 million in malubu with beach rights, i want it all.   the mercury-bugatti conversion too.

ill fukin kill babies.

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:27 | 1465135 Parth
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Oh trust me, Israel will not attack Iran in September or for a 100 years more. There is no reason to, plus Iran has enuff retaliotary capacity to make it uncomfortable for US in Iraq and Israel via Hizbullah. Syriana was a terrible movie and this is a bad rumor.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:28 | 1465136 davebrik99
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The last paragraph is a lot of hot air.  If it wasn't for the few Republicans with balls, Obama would have already done more damage to the US economy.  He is bought and paid for by lobbyists and George Soros. That's why israel is outa control!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:36 | 1465156 cosmictrainwreck
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"Israel is outa control" hmmmm.... let me ponder that a moment...er..uh.. who's control?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:43 | 1465164 Parth
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Oh thats easy. Israel is out of control of reality. They live in the Middle East and expect to control events with technology and American support. Nothing goes as planned in the Middle East for anyone, not for Hossni Mubarak(He had American support and American weapons) and his kids and not for Israel. Absolutely nobody wins in the MIddle East.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:28 | 1465138 Parth
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Just threats to scare Iran from finishing the nuke program. No attack likely. Russian engineers are still in Bushehr.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:32 | 1465279 gangland
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except for the ones that died in a plane 'accident', including, allegedly, the top russian nuke engineer involved with the iranian nuke program.

 

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/nuclear-experts-killed-in-...

 

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:42 | 1465166 dumpster
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and china and Russia will just watch from the sidelines.

 

eating popcorn.

if so Israel is toast.  

 

 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:46 | 1465174 Parth
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Egypts Mubarak was a US ally and had US weapons- 3 weeks and he got kicked out. Its surprising how many people think Israel can beat the odds and survive a fruitful existence in the Middle East. Hey if they do more power to them, but in the MIddle East just about every society has been wiped out sooner or later.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:12 | 1465232 Pain Train
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33 to 1 payoff for airstrike by New Year...

 

http://intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=716708

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:19 | 1465243 gangland
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futures down .65 % across the board except for russell, dow down 80, btfd itll close green.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:23 | 1465257 Mark Noonan
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Ryan is destroying Obama?  Sorry, but those are self-inflicted wounds.  Next.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:31 | 1465280 MOAB
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Oh really? Israel is going to start a war with Iran..? How fucken moronic. 

Israel is just a US military base in the middle east, nothing more. Where do they get all their weapons and funding?

Tis the US ruling class that is desperately trying to hold their fantasy land together by keeping the cheap oil flowing. Oil over maybe $80/bbl (certainly $100/bbl) means loss of the entire empire for the US. The further the price goes above that mark, the faster things fly apart.

no cheap oil = US fiat dollar becomes worthless (its only backed by stolen ME oil), entire western financial system disintegration (all debt support assumes cheap oil flow), return of gold as only universal money.

Not long now and the laws of physics will bring down our sick system. We will accelerate into the abyss.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:38 | 1465294 frostfan
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I realize many here are obsessed with hating Israel and blaming Jews and Zionists interchangably for all  the world's problmes including the weather but if you chose to do an ounce of research or at least 30 seconds, you'd see that Baer said the same exact thing two years ago.  Speaking of conspiracies, I wonder how Baer makes a living.  Oh yeah, making inaccurate predictions!!!

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/28/michael-rubin-bob-baer-be_n_302362.html

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:51 | 1465308 gangland
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worth repeating ad nauseam i suppose,

baer is a mouthpiece. he has absolutely zero credibility. he is a very sophisticated propoganda tool. zionism is not judaism. this is not about jews as a people or a religion. this is about political ideology. like nazism. like fascism. like wahabbism. neither islam nor judaism have had their respective reformation in the grand (never ending) political sense that christianity has had. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 22:55 | 1465321 HungrySeagull
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Me thinks Israel's Iron Dome Program and a Upgrade to our Patriot Systems that they have are pretty serious. I believe the Patriots now have 16 missiles per launcher instead of 4. The Hawk systems are going to be upgraded and replaced. There must be a number of things going on that I don't know about and that is just as good. I have no need to know.

Mark my words. If the Iranian Government or the Republican Gaurds kill off a Carrier with 6000 aboard, there will be war and it will be prosecuted to the fullest.

Now, if nothing happens for while that is good, gives us time to develop our own Shale Reserves and Artic Oil/Gas (Including Canada as well) and build pipelines etc. It is possible that we may have sufficient reserves in our own homeland to last us 100+ years. If that is true then perhaps the US Government and Israel are working together to buy time.

At the end of the day having a Carrier or Three offshore of a hostile nation like Iran is a very classic "Show the Flag" with a very big stick. Having such a heavy on the block sometimes ensures that there is no fighting on the recess playground or alleyway what so ever.

We need time still. Israel has none. Nor the space to fight a war. She has no room to defend and will take the fight to the enemy if attacked.

 

Keep in mind the Carrier decks are populated by 17-20 year old children who are entrusted with the world when they are serving in harms way. Would you trust your own kid to drive the family car? I did not think so.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:05 | 1465340 Parth
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Iran cannot attack a US carrier sucessfully and besides they have plenty of US targets in Iraq and neither are they suicidal. Iran is not an enemy.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:55 | 1465626 gangland
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matrix black cat

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:40 | 1465627 gangland
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agree, iran is not an enemy. but...sunburnmoskit (ss-n-22 nato)...asymmetrical buh-bye carriers...and i talked my bro in law into joining the pukes... go figure

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:11 | 1465328 CD
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In completely unrelated, and perfectly harmless news:

 

Four cases of 64 warheads have disappeared from a train that went to Bulgaria

Does any Romanian reader happen to have more details? 

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?ie=UTF8&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ro&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://www.evz.ro/detalii/stiri/patru-lazi-cu-focoase-au-disparut-dintr-un-tren-938298.html&usg=ALkJrhgpimORvpph8vfkMUfqfsB_eWacIA

At one time, you could buy entire Soviet tanks (often sold for copper wiring) and a large assortment of weaponry (outdated or otherwise), and the military logistics divisions (and their subcontractors) are the greatest racket out there.

I would be curious to know more about these 'errant scrap metal thieves' who crack a paramilitary shipment and saunter off with gizmos. Before they are used. Or are miraculously tied to a very public operation a few weeks/months down the line. Just what kind of 'warheads' are talking about here?

edit:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=130319

OK, 'detonators', but what type of rockets?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:21 | 1465362 Lazane
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Destroy this president named Obama? not possible, he is his own one man wrecking crew.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 23:24 | 1465368 MK ultra
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not the carriers. good one .

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 00:37 | 1465458 robertocarlos
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Why would Congress put their lives in danger by supporting a war against Iran?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 01:49 | 1465529 CheapPanderingCrony
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I have to say Tyler I'm a bit disappointed. When it comes to economics and the markets, you do your homework, dig deep, conduct analysis and research, and are skeptical. Though when it comes to Israel, you take what is spoon fed to you as gospel. Sadly it typically seems this is a result of the same reflex some of your readers have, that Israel is the ultimate evil and subsequently all dastardly plans can reasonably attributed to them. For some of your readers, there's a darker reason for that, but we won't get into that.

The fact of the matter is you have a long time member of the intelligence community feeding you exactly what everyone wants to hear, that Israel is setting out to wage war. And that the US is only "preparing" for the consequences. However there is still at least a month and a half until the start of September, and maintaining dozens of war ships (each battleship and aircraft carrier has a half dozen support ships) costs huge sums of money and can undermine other interests in other parts of the world.

Additionally, anybody that has studied history (and I'd assume that also goes for the writers in this online publication) can easily acknowledge the fact that in general, countries have only managed to pull out of major economic upheaval, yes, on the heels of major military conflicts.

It is clear that the Obama administration has really got their heads up their arses and at this point have come to learn what every other government in history has learned, how to distract their population from misery by waging war. Perhaps this war is being coordinated with Israel (not to mention Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Kuwait, and every other country afraid of Iran), but none the less it is clearly being led by the US, and not Israel. So please, try to be a little more forthcoming in future analyses when it comes to Israel and the middle east. Israel isn't the heart of all evil. If anything today, the Israeli economy is booming, and a major war will cause major damage to both the economy, and the population at large. Its easy to always blame Israel for the world's war and to project our own evils onto them, and buy into the BS propoganda put out. But I always thought that Zero didn't take the easy route, and tried to see through the BS.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 08:11 | 1465828 hardcleareye
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Crony, stop whining, you are stating the obvious and the manner in which you are phrasing it not only comes across as whining but is insulting to the intelligence of fellow readers... (I didn't junk you)

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:24 | 1465596 Edward Fiatski
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Fascinating. When ideas such as these are being thrown into the public infosphere by people who have done terrorist acts (C.I.A.) on other countries' soil in order to provoke a response for a solution to be applied by the United States in any way it deems necessary - like a bombing run, it means only one thing: you're being told post-fact of the decision to launch the war, which as they hope, would bring a third World War into the Middle East, East Asia, possibly Russia as well.

Iran will be levelled to the best of their abilities, and it's going to be an Archduke Franz Ferdinand moment.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 03:24 | 1465597 Edward Fiatski
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Loved the film Syriana, by the way. :-)

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:16 | 1465619 Hobbleknee
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The US military occupies over 150 countries. If that's not an empire, what is?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:50 | 1465632 gangland
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not empire, not soft power, but hegemony light, the worst kind of power, based solely on financial (Fiat) and military prowess, rather desperate if you ask me; nye's theorem works only if you're a superpower quantitatively, and does not take into account the qualitative, see the EU/Eurozone (Cafruny & Ryner 2007).  all in all, subordinate to us neoliberalism.

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:57 | 1465636 Monedas
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The Democrats needed a war after their Keynesian experiments didn't end the Great Depression.....only deepened it ! Barack, Hillary and Barney really need a war now ! Monedas 2011 There is no other way out for them ! There will be war time confiscation......count on it !

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 06:54 | 1465687 theprofromdover
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USA/Israel terrified the House of Saud falls. Without Saudi Oil, USA f*!!*d til the spot price brings tar-sands into play.

USA needs a friend with lots of Oil (that would be Iran, cos it ain't Russia and Libya is going backwards very fast). I suspect negotiations have already taken place with opposition groups in Iran to react when next elections happen and the Ahmadinjad/Khameini power-struggle gets resolved inconclusively one way or the other.

Bibi-Net. can't have USA & Iran patching things up, so he wants to raise the temperature.

Iran is not really Shi-ite Muslim, the people are really Zoroastrans -a different kettle of fish. They just happen to be suppressed by a minority of Mullahs (and if you look back your history, the USA probably and inconceivably put Khomeni in power when they realised the Shah was moving quickly away from a historically pro-American stance.

As someone else posted, Iran is not Arab, they are from Asia-Minor -with a 2,500 year old independent cultural identity.

The upcoming false-flag attack on US soil will be the biggest mistake for 500 years, but hey -we only allow idiots to be elected. So serves us right. A new Dark Ages beckons.

 

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 07:23 | 1465743 Salamanda
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gold $1600

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 09:11 | 1465939 Monedas
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That's why Adm. Mullen went to China ! Iran won't be able to count on China and therefore N. Korea ! Iran's going down! Obama will get the credit ! This is the October surprise one year early ! We're fucked ! Monedas 2011 They are going to take advantage of the Arab Spring disorder to take down Iran ! Four more years of Obama ! At least we'll have good PM prices ? We're fucked !

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 10:35 | 1466190 NickyG
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Oh well.

Fri, 08/12/2011 - 01:46 | 1553442 besnook
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the timing is perfect. economic turmoil in the west leading to political turmoil. a war is a great way to rally the population by focusing them upon an external enemy and away from personal struggle. nutandyahoo is under domestic political pressure in israel. everyone knows he has been licking his chops over iran for years. a false flag sets up an attack upon iran giving cover for a final surge to control the central source of the world's oil supply insuring the power of the empire for another millenium.nutandyahoo is a hero. obambam gets reelected. the banks make billions on the rescued dollar. china and russia are contained. there will be peace for 1000 years.

 

it always seems the planners of these plans never turn the page in the history books that tell of how these grand plans of conquest and dominion over the world end with the exact opposite of the intended outcome. rational self interest always turns into irrational self destruction, a curious design in human programming.

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