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They should have given Cryptome.org their 5K if they are going to do that crap. What is that about PayPal? Not such a payer and not such a pal, eh? Best refund those funds to the contributors.
Getting spooky round these parts.
I have felt the touch of seizure.. later returned. This situation simply and clearly demonstrates the current landscape in the limits placed upon free speech & association and who knows about legal recourse.
Marla, as I mentioned to Miles on another thread, do you understand this entire cycle is perfectly understood by the power elite? Over millennia, the same exact pattern has repeated itself countless times. Since this is the case, why would any of this be a surprise?
It isn't - in fact, it is foretold. So what is the inevitable conclusion? The state fails; it always has & it always will. If it didn't, we might have a descendant of some ancient Assyrian family as our hereditary ruler.
Does this bother the power elite? Of course not. Does the inevitability of death bother you? Not unless you have psychological issues; otherwise, it's just is a fact of life (pun intended).
It must be exciting to be in your position, because like a few other sites which have emerged to carry the battle forward, you're it. But in the larger scheme of things, it really doesn't matter, because at this stage of the cycle, someone had to be it. Get it?
So, cool, you're it. Now what do you do about it? That is, do you properly understand your role? Your role is to help bring about the demise of the state. Whether you choose to participate or not has no bearing on the final outcome. Remember, the state always fails.
Now, if you want to do something clever, something that may not be totally expected (but then again, is of course most likely part of the contingency plans), is to look a little further forward.
That is, can an effective challenge to be mounted to institute such change that the next cycle is altered or at least interrupted? This is the greatest fear of the power elite: that humanity may have progressed to the point were we implement systems (like the one advocated @ SwarmUSA) so that they might not be able to pull it off the next time around.
This is where I'm focused.
So, cool, you're it. Now what do you do about it? That is, do you properly understand your role? Your role is to help bring about the demise of the state.
Can't wait to see Marla's response for that line B9K9
The dossier thickens!
Excellent article Marla, excellent.
Hey B9K9, do you have any any good/important reads you would recommend? Sincerely.
the epic battle of our age will be between knowledge and ignorance
or between a tyrannical gov and the people
It has been said that the best plans are often backwards. If this is the case then being focused on your destination may be the structure to pursue.
Wise doggy. I like your posts. Don't always agree which is cool because they make me think.
B9K9 This is the greatest fear of the power elite: that humanity may have progressed to the point were we implement systems (like the one advocated @ SwarmUSA) so that they might not be able to pull it off the next time around.
Up until the day before yesterday that system was the constitution of The United States of America. Sticking reasonably close to the rules outlined therein has, you know, generated more prosperity and productivity - by orders of magnitude - than any other system since the dawn of humanity. So let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet. The wheel might not need not be reinvented.
And maybe publicly announcing that Marla is the leader of some radical political movement isn't the best or most welcome idea. She just might have a life outside of ZH that she prefers to leave unmolested.
Do you really think that the US was governed according to the US Constitution up until the day the health care bill was passed?
Close enough, with all of the obvious caveats. I'm pretty sure it wasn't 223 consecutive, compounded years of shit luck. But I see that you've already planted your flag. Good luck.
If ebay owns paypal..... what if a country used leverage to close that site?
As to why the money was confiscated is a matter of the courts.
None dare teach the history of Governor Col. Thomas McKean
Thomas McKean might just represent an ideal study of how far political engagement can be carried by one man. One can scarcely believe the number of concurrent offices and duties this man performed during the course of his long career. He served three states* and many more cities and county governments, often performing duties in two or more jurisdictions, even while engaged in federal office.
In 1775 he was the delegate for Delaware at the Stamp Act Congress in New York. In 1771 he was appointed collector of customs and commissioner of revenue at New Castle. In 1772 to was chosen Speaker of the Assembly of Delaware. Beginning in 1774 he attended the Continental Congress where he served on the national council throughout the Revolutionary War. He also served on the committee to draw up the Articles of Confederation, was commissioned a colonel in the New Jersey militia, and served as President of the newly independent Delaware. In 1777, still serving in the Congress under the articles of Confederation, he was appointed Chief Justice of Pennsylvania, an office that he held for nearly twenty years. He was elected President of Congress in 1781. In 1787 he attended the ratifying convention for the new Federal Constitution in Pennsylvania. In 1789 he played a role in amending the constitution of Pennsylvania. He was elected Governor of Pennsylvania on the Federalist ticket in 1799.
The man was hunted by the British for the entire Mid-Atlantic conflict, he spent years on the run scurrying his family from safe house to safe house, while British, Tory and Indian spies were given bounty for information on his location.
What have you done for your people?
my sisters went to the public high school of his name... i chose vo-tech instead.. i ended up finishing college, they didn't...i think Mr McKean would of agreed his school went to the shitter.. tis a shame
This is the exact reason I come here and have stopped watching the mainstream media. I don't go to those other sites but I will.
Tonight I stopped by my Dad's we watched the local news which was somewhat palatable. But then he switched to Matthews show at the end and his gushing over the relationship between Obama and Biden was pretty much disgusting.
This was, you know, the propaganda regarding Joe's big mouth getting him in trouble over the "f" bomb in passing about the health care deal. I got an instant headache. I cannot watch it anymore. Once they took off Rather and then Dobbs because they didn't "fall in line" I was done.
I was almost waiting for the request for funds and donations in this article. Marla, I have been waiting to find out what the structure of the ZH pay site is. My fear is like other news sites or financial sites we non wall streeters will get priced out really fast. Please let us know ASAP so we can get on board. Some of us still are in the "9.7% group".
And any of this info from any of these web sites will get out no matter what. It will be put in the right hands.
Rather and Mapes were taken off the air because they tried to rig a national election through a black operation. Even after being proven wrong in less than 24 hours and before the election ballots were cast, Rather still refused to recant his 'reporting' and sacrificed his career knowingly to further the political ideology he subscribes to.
Dobbs is a salesman, he has been a wealthy and comfortable whipping post by choice since his return to CNN, with the first threats to his family's safety in New Jersey he folded up his tent as the provocateur and is now going to live out his days spending the money earned from propaganda machines spent to give people like yourself "hope" that they have a voice in the national debate.
In short, you yourself have not gone far enough to reassess all that you think you know about the media agitprop landscape in this country, but you sound like you are well on your way.
P.S. It is still a shame that Charles Johnson has lost the plot.
Good post, except for the Dan Rather thing.
That guy deserved to be thrown out of the media for good for using his position to swing an election, thru outright lies.
Guess you can't be right about everything.
Can you school me here? : that substance of the lie was not the facts of the case (that Shrub bailed on his responsibility to do the minimum in his alternate VietNam service requirement in connection with his special admission to the Texas Air National Guard and its regular drug testing regime?) but Rather that he had only a copy of the original. Isn't that a little like the man claiming the Bible to be God's word and called a liar because it clearly was a not the original tablet. That is more of a stretch than Dan's perdicament. Ce n'est pas une pipe?
Cheney got deferments and Dubbers couldn't be bothered to show up (sober) to the Texas National Guard. Cheney is super responsible because he avoided Vietnam due to financial hardships for his family (er first wife, no kids), so that doesn't reflect poorly on his character. Dubbers was born again after that happened, so that wasn't a reflection of his character either. Or something like that.
There's a big difference. Rather and Mapes claimed that they had the original document. No Christian or Jew claims to hold the original Bible. That would indeed be a lie (particularly as the Bible was written by some 40 men over a 1500 year period, so there was no original "tablet" [I think you meant the Ten Commandments]).
Had Rather and Mapes claimed to hold a faithful copy of the original text, then it might have held some weight, but by trying to make it look like the original (forged signature and all), and claiming it was a copy (not a reproduction), they were trying to deceive (or fell victim to that fraud)
Consider your wish granted. See anonymouse below for your education.
Looks like someone wanted to spruce up their accomplishments block on the evaluation form...
According to Wikileak's twitter, they may have something big to be released on April 5th. Their twitter account has been interesting the last couple of days.
The universe evolved to a perfect predatory state. The perfect shark form. It's unable to fix itself because it protects itself too much. It loses and gains faith through trickery but never gets to the root of it's problems. The bankers and money issuers have always been the "make me an offering" mentality. It's so pervasive and ingrained into everyones psyche that even our mating rituals have become strange offerings of dead plant life and sustanence. Everyone looking for the best offer, the best deal, the greatest gains, ways to push losses and pain and suffering and lack and neglect off onto whoever will take them no matter how begrudgening or unwillingly the burdens are shouldered.
so, is it the propagation of this 'predator state' or the denial of it as 'the natural order' that is causing the most problems?
i would say the growing question of whether it is truly 'the natural order' or not is the source of the so-called 'problems'.
not following you there... i would say that the realization that it is a most "unnatural order" is the solution to most problems faced by humanity.
from how i understand i.knot's comment (he is free to correct me if i'm mistaken), he is insinuating that our resistance is linked to our denial of the way the world 'naturally' works vis-a-vis darwin's 'survival of the fittest' theory. i contend that darwin's theory is a very limited & incomplete view of nature and is being used as a sledgehammer to justify the means in which to bludgeon humanity into its version of what the 'natural' order should be.
you & i speak the same using different words amigo.
Oh it's definitely the denial that is causing the problem. The denial of the state of the union makes it's participants react in the wrong ways. Anything that can be done to further that end is done. Including allowing only a small percentage of the people to reach this realization at any one time so they can all be dealt with in manageable chuncks through pretense of capitulation, followed by reassertion of right to eat everybody.
You have two reaction pathways. Change the shark or avoid the shark. One creates people too sensitive to the manipulation to be easily fooled. The other creates people so self reliant that it becomes problematic gaining enough manipulation leverage on them to change them to a state where they will offer pleasing things to participants of the kingdom.
Nice to see you spinning again Marla.
It is so refreshing to come here with like minded individuals seeking truth. I like your quote that the biggest struggle will be for information, most citizens do not even know what they don't know (unconscious incompetence) and live inside the cave watching shadows. It reminds me of the Goebbels quote:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
This is another great site and I recommend looking at the stories for the last few years:
First, why would anyone keep money in PayPal, remove it ASAP. Also, why are sites based in the USA like ZeroHedge, Fly, etc? You are a WEB site, International. Find a server in a strategic location on/near a backbone. Yes Tyler, i am looking at YOU!
(trying to help out)
No need to keep other than a Zero Balance in PayPal. Link it to a small checking account (required) and a designated credit card. You are offered the ability to change funding options to charge credit card and if cash input, transfer to bank account. For email, use fastmail.fm based in Australia and the ".fm" is Fed. of Micronesia.
zh, moved their servers a long time ago...
"We remain convinced that the epic battle of our age will be between knowledge and ignorance. Moreover, we have lately become convinced that the United States is engaged in a mortal struggle with itself, split between the placating, patriarch content to obfuscate and conceal everything..."
this is the festering rumbling molten core of it all indeed. everything else is simply various names of the same game. and yes it very well is epic, maybe foundation of ~5,000 year old patriarchal civilization epic. everything goes back to the pyramid vs. the sphere...and which end is the top...and if there even needs to be a top. does daddy always know best?
and when the esoteric becomes exoteric, does power lose its bearings and fall into the void of so-called 'anarchy' or must it finally work to find it on solid moral ground?
Erich Fromm wrote much on this topic for those who are interested.
there is no moral ground for the power to coerce individuals against their will, hence the problem
agreed, but in the eyes of power, the ends justify the means. and unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of those in power have convinced themselves to believe this convenient myth. hence, TARP for example. and Blankenfein's God complex.
interesting take. i wonder how much time they really do spend trying to convince themselves of the morality of their actions. i never thought about it before, but if asked, i would have guessed none.
i would agree with none (or very little). interesting that those who accuse others of blaming others for their misfortune instead of looking inside at their own culpability are the same ones most guilty of the same reactions (e.g. HankieP's contention that Russia & China were secretly trying to bring down the US financial system).
good summary of this phenomenon here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment
Paypal can be very odd critters, but they have seized donations many times before from various entities (often far less controversial). Donations over a certain amount will sometimes trigger a seizure.
Your best bet is to transfer your account money ON A DAILY BASIS.
grab that cash with both hands and make a stash...
I once patronized Paypal, and concluded they are a disgrace. I would never support it, and closed my account perhaps 8 years ago. I see that Paypal unsurprisingly remains a disgrace. Whether they've bullied/hosed/screwed/stiffed you yet or not, you might consider doing the right thing, which is to sever any relationship with them and refuse to use their service. You DO NOT want Paypal to become the sole alternative in online payments. I'll be paying with conch shells before I'll be paying again via Paypal.
I have purchased the 2 DVD's from Cryptome via Paypal, as a donation to Cryptome. I use the checking account method, transferring the exact funds to the account at the moment of purchase.
Anyone who frequents Cryptome is aware that all telecommunication companies, all IPS, and even Goldman Sacks et al have provided spying procedures to the federal government of their operations. It would not surprise me that PayPal was targeted and attempted to refuse to disclose who purchases what from Cryptome, or anyone else for that matter, through PayPal's service. On March 15th, EBAY-PayPal provided a lawful spying guide to law enforcement agencies of the US.
If you have not had the piss scared out of you lately, not like reading ZH wouldn't, go to Cryptome. Take along a joint and a bottle of wine, you'll need it afterwards.
Superb reporting as usual Marla, you all at ZH rock the Free World!
In the long run does technology advantage governments or non-governmental actors in this regard? Does censorship or information have the advantage?
Days like this it seems like censorship would have the upper hand but most everyone (in this country anyway) would probably still agree that the US government is on the side of the citizen in most or all of the areas that really count. Maybe that will change and maybe that will be the catalyst for the development of more robust and secure exchange networks, payment systems, more commonplace heavy duty encryption use by individuals, even private money. Incentives could certainly fall into place where things like this would be given a more serious try than they have before.
There have been episodes of heavy handed censorship in this country before - Woodrow Wilson's administration was probably the harshest, certainly the most ambitious. And in the past Americans have been generally accepting of certain, agreed upon areas where censorship does more good than harm such as certain wartime restrictions and child pornography. But as/when the common overlap amongst all Americans gets smaller and smaller, as shared values (variously and broadly defined) become less, especially as the government becomes bigger at the same time, it's hard to see how this doesn't become a much more serious problem.
We have yet to tackle some of these and related issues on even a more everyday social level. Should you be allowed to conduct the lewd defamation of a minor on the internet for instance? I don't think the boundaries are very clear on this particular issue which is starting to force itself.
Personally I'd be in favor of as much sunshine as possible regarding official maters of state but be wary of flying too close to the sun in the sphere of the private citizen although these two areas are likely to get messy and mixed together.
This whole area seems under-analyzed to me compared to it's potential game-changing importance.
Brave, new world...
the state long ago grew beyond the original intent of being a representative government. It is now an entity unto itself and works, some say against the citizenry and I would agree, to preserve that self. Control of the entity has been lost to the citizens and that's most visible when we see documents coming out of the entity that suggest sites that promote truth or discussion should be controlled. Self-preservation of the entity is all that matters now, control by the population is gone.
The only way that it will fall will be through implosion, when people finally refuse to fund the eating habits of the behemoth. It will not go quietly either, it will kick and scream and flail about wildly and undertake all sorts of machinations that a free population never thought imaginable from those who were given consent to govern, but it will do it. And it will do it under the guise of protecting the populace, and it will do it without consideration of what the founding fathers intended. The entity that the founding fathers envisioned was gone long ago.
The majority of the citizens in this country are fooling themselves.
The problem is you have the perceived entity, then you have a shadow entity working the machinations, and the unknown entity pulling the strings.
It truly is a Wizard Of Oz type of situation.
PS The Internet along with education are the equalizers. Not perceived education. Thinking for yourself and going beyond the external dialogue (media, people repeating drivel from the media etc.) and listening to the internal dialogue that most people try (and are successful) to turn off and asking yourself difficult questions.
Wikileaks and Cryptome have been under fire for some time. There is hope however. The Internet is the great equalizer for truth, kind of like how the pistol is the great equalizer of the weak against an otherwise overpowering attacker. If they try to block it, it will just pop up somewhere else. If Cryptome is attacked, two or three more will pop up across a different avenue.
Before he let his team push him around, McCain was quoted as saying that privacy issues in the information age was going to be a theme for his Presidential campaign. Of course in the early stages of his campaign, Obama embraced Lady Bird Johnson's mantra and talked about Americans planting trees. But it is sad that so little attention is directed at how our personal liberties are being challenged every day, you would think politicians would be sensitive to this issue as it makes for easy speeches.
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