Darrell Issa tells the Chief Of Staff, to, basically fuck off. Zero Hedge tries hard to find fault with the Congressman's logic and fails miserably.
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on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 13:54
#24405
sssssssssssss. NICE response to the fuckhead. VERY NICE.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 05:56
#25483
Issa voted against the bailouts, at least.
He is allright. he's seemingly stood up against the banksters as well as anyone up there in washington.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 13:58
#24416
What a fantastic letter! It is more than "well worth the read".
I've said all along that Obama made a huge mistake selecting Rahm as his COS as the guy is simply a dick and a prick. He is also an asshole.
I note that Drudge and others reported the other day that Rahm called the powers that be at the big 3 networks (and Fox, I believe) looking for more time for prime time press conferences for the Prez, the last being the health care matter that gave birth to the "beer summit" matter. For my ZH friends, please note that as far as NBC goes, Rahm's call was directly to J. Immelt of GE "oops, we had a little accounting oversight" Corporation.
Rahm is a little napoleonic wienie and I suggest to Mr. Obama that he is much better off without him.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:23
#24493
Israel runs the states. They put him there, not Obama. Don't think he's leaving or the policy he is pushing is going anywhere anytime soon.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:37
#24532
Bingo!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:16
#24628
"I'm sorry, but you have just touched the third rail of Washington DC politics. Please take the orange line to National Airport to fly home -- your career here has been terminated."
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:41
#24807
Reserve all attacks for Ivy League grads. Spoiled, rich, arrogant, ignorant assholes are all the same - regardless of race, creed, religion, etc.
While you can always get suckered into playing a rigged game, you're much better off inventing your own :)
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:58
#24952
Indeed. I confess that I enjoyed such an eloquent copulative suggestion.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:03
#24743
Should we care he served in the Israeli Army and holds an Israeli passport? How many dual national types in Executive branch? I thought fighting for a foreign army was not a good thing, or am I just old-fashioned?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:44
#24932
And his parents were terrorists. You're just old-fashioned.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:06
#24861
Odd (but not surprising)comment considering TD's accent from his radio interviews is very clearly Arab.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:22
#24895
If you want more info look into George Soros and his role in getting Obama elected. Obama is nothing more than a puppet (some say fall guy) for a behind the scenes scheme being played out on the American people.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 22:08
#25265
Rahm is a coward and a turncoat. that's how all Israelis view him. He never served his time in the army, and now he tells Israelis what to do and how to live? Chutzpah! Rahm is less than nothing - just another bully.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:57
#24586
If he is a dick and an asshole he really has all the means he needs to keep himself busy 24/7. No?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:09
#24753
I'd say your analysis is faulty. His choice and what he does is a reflaction on the person Obama really is. That'swhy what happened is insightful.
They are now in cover up and punish mode just like the bush white house. they don't want their failures noted.
TARP ovesight board is a good place to send info regarding how the firms are using tarp money with the fed to manipulate markets. they appear to actually want to do something
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:09
#24969
No wonder that this country is going to dump when so many people root against their own elected president, based on political bias only.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 05:54
#25482
im still waitin' for russia to grow some bals and start getting in our face.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 08:49
#25595
Russian subs are patrolling off the east coast of the US.
They're doing it already.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:23
#24988
We're all better off without the two of them ...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:01
#24421
why do they call anybody in DC with the title "The Honarable" ? These are not honorable men and women. These are dishonorable creatures.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:07
#24442
That is meant to be ironic...
at least that's what I've always assumed
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:04
#24426
C'mon, Darrell Issa is the world's tallest douche-nozzle. I have no love for Rahm, but seriously... isn't there something better to plug than Darrell Issa. You guys are dropping the quality exponentially here.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:14
#24461
Hey dipshit did you ever hear of Chrysler, GM, Ford, unions, banks, special interest groups, acorn...fucking pick one........get your head outta your ass....this is the same bullshit that they play and this is why WE THE PEOPLE no longer have a voice because they are worried about what the WHITE HOUSE will do ...not what the people want dumbass...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:55
#24576
go back to freep and rage there thanks
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:54
#24728
He might be a douche but the message still rings true.
However, Rahmbo will simply IGNORE this letter
without consequence.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:52
#25161
Its way douchier of GOP politicians to slam the stimulus and then turn around and take credit for bringing the money to their states. One or the other imo.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:21
#24480
24426...it seems the letter is more about Rahm than the congressperson. I can't recall a WH Chief of Staff being eviscerated like this. I imagine that it may have happened, but this is pretty strong stuff.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:27
#24501
Ah, see 25561 above to understand what I mean by "You guys are dropping the quality exponentially here." Are these the intellectual giants you want to cater to at ZH?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:49
#24560
Anyone who voted against the stimulus get a few minutes of my time. I have been an asshole most of my adult life, doesn't mean I haven't accomplished any public good.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:19
#24632
oh nm i got confused between Issa and Inouye
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:16
#25122
Well right now I will take any "douche-nozzle" no matter how tall they are to put a stop to the wasteful spending of these stimulus dollars... in Minnesota the stimulus dollars are being used to tear up perfectly good roads and put down another identical road; and to create unneeded police turn-around lanes between divided highways... it makes me sick to see such waste.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 22:51
#25302
That sounds like M$oft's business model in going to Vista.
Hasta, Bueno.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:04
#24430
Since Israel resides within the bowels of the U.S. government getting rid of Rahm will simply be an act of musical chairs.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 22:37
#25292
Am I actually reading this absolute idiocy on ZH? The Zerobama administration is the most anti-Israel administration in history and you nitwits believe that Barry's COS is pulling strings for them? Pull your heads out of your asses and follow current events a bit closer. Good Christ.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 01:50
#25451
Agreed. I've never seen that "Israel controls the US Govt" argument from anyone who wasn't a transparent nutter.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:04
#24431
Didn't Rahm work for Goldman?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:08
#24445
I don't know, but he absolutely has BLOWN every guy there.
To Rahm--FUCK YOU, you FUCKING FUCK!!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:11
#24454
Freddie Mac.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:20
#24476
He worked for Wasserstein Perella
Rahm Emanuel, Former Investment Banker
http://dealbook.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/07/rahm-emanuel-former-investment-banker/
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:30
#24669
Made some nice coin in the short time he worked there too.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:56
#24730
He was on the Freddie board for the ride up.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 00:53
#25414
Yes.
An interesting early chapter in the Goldman-Emanuel relationship took place in the setting of Bill Clinton’s campaign for the White House in 1992. Clinton hired Emanuel as his chief fundraiser.
At the same time, however, Emanuel was on the payroll of Goldman Sachs, receiving $3,000 per month from the firm to “introduce us to people,” in the words of one Goldman partner at the time. This is certainly a noteworthy relationship, but it’s one that has almost entirely escaped scrutiny.
Corporations and partnerships are and were at the time prohibited by law from contributing to federal candidates out of the corporate coffers. So, while Rahm tapped Goldman employees personally for six figures in gifts to Clinton’s candidacy—more than any other firm—Goldman, as a company, was helping keep Clinton’s top fundraiser well-fed.
When you look at the explanations Goldman and Emanuel gave for Emanuel’s employment—he was advising on “local political races” or “introduc[ing] us to people”—it’s easy to suspect that Goldman was using firm money to fund the Clinton campaign by paying the campaign’s top fundraiser for nebulous “consulting” work—all while the campaign was in debt and delaying paychecks to campaign staff.
...
In his four terms in Congress, Emanuel has raised $74,750 from Goldman, making the firm his number four source of funds.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/TimothyCarney/Goldman_Sach_Will_Be_Sitting_Pretty_With_Emanuel_in_the_Obama_White_House_112108.html
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:05
#24432
So much for "Dissent is the Highest Form of Patriotism", eh?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:06
#24437
Nice job Darrel! Darrel Issa is one of the wealthiest people in congress - I think worth a couple hundred million. He has enough money to tell people to fuck off - including that little shrimp(Emanuel) who runs Obama.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:06
#24438
Rahm should have just stuck with tried and true methods:
a few anthrax letters work better than an hour of f-bombs.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:08
#24441
Gosh it sure was darn nice of Mr. Issa to provide a list of definitions to Mr. Immanuel. Such consideration and accomodation between the prostitutes legislative and thieves executive is a rare commodity these days. Good on you Mr. Issa. Perhaps you should have included what the definition of "is" is.
[grrrrrr strikeout function still not functioning .... frustrating]
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:22
#24486
i can't get mine to work either.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:10
#24444
Going after Kyl via Brewer in Barry's state, as in BARRY GOLDWATER. Hey Rahm, you dumb jackass have you ever heard of the Barry Goldwater Range? AZ is a cowboy state that has ZERO tolerance for Chicago-style politics (unless your name is Jerry Colangelo). You just screwed yourself and Barry-O big time - BIG TIME!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:09
#24446
a whole new respect given to issa. rahm should go back to freddie mac since he did such an excellent job there.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:20
#24643
hahahaha
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:10
#24448
I actually have no problem with Rahm's tactics in this case. Kyl bluffed, Rahm called, and he got egg on himself. Kyl was grandstanding. He got what he deserved. Period.
As for the stimulus itself, well that is another story.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:20
#24478
There's a difference between saying "let's all give up our stimulus checks" and saying "I'll give up my check, but you guys go ahead and keep the checks I'm forced to subsidize."
Clearly no one is going to give up their state's money without an agreement between states. Rahm's argument is ridiculous and is absolutely an attempt to bully.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:27
#24502
absolutely Kote, it's like my Cali unemployment that is now in it's second round of delays due once more to "EDD Clerical Error". It's like EDD telling me to shut up if I don't like their service, or I won't get my Unemployment, as if they are doing me a favor providing me with the insurance that I have paid for... This is the crux of the entrie problem...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:51
#24944
In that spirit, I consider the letter in question to be a swift and uplifting kick to the groin of Middleman Nation.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:10
#24449
An oxymoron for the ages:
"Honorable Rahm Emanuel"
Come on!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:10
#24451
One maggot dressing down another for the camera. Nice.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:43
#24452
The thuggery and manipulations of Dearest Leader's drones is not a new event. They have learned well in the academes of Chi-town politics and its inquisitions are legion.
For all the Dearest Leader's True Believers here is a bit of humor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a6YdNmK77k
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:11
#24453
If you throw you lot in with Dareesl Issa then you are headed towards the cliff.
He's from the looney right wing and was responsible for the recall of CA governor
Gray Davis which left Ca with the stupidantor.
ZH just got a big voctory on Flash Tranding, if the news reports are correct that it has been banned. Why ruin it with spport for this loon?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:14
#24462
Amen brutha. People like Issa are the reason why California is so FUBAR. Throwin in with his ilk will only lead to madness, and genital sores.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:20
#24475
Oh like "Red" Davis was any better. Stupid left wingers are as dumb as loony right wingers. At least right wingers are good at being evil and not total n00bs at it like lefties. People are beginning to learn again that silent shadowy evil like Dick Cheney is much more efficient than in your face stupid evil like Rahm Emmanuel.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:33
#24522
24475 - please go back to whatever Redstate forum you crawled out of. I do not come here to read this moronic crap. Why would I give a d**n about these two dirt bags having a pissing contest?
This is a dumb posting for ZH. TD we want your financial intellect, not your political one. One is intelligent and fresh. The other is immature and mainstream. If you want this site to grow, you'll stay away from the later.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:43
#24542
wut? You just read it. Sorry, I was trying to be funny as I don't like either side. Good lord you people are so touchy. Have momma kiss your boo-boo for you.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:09
#24614
Quit your incessant whining, irritant.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:08
#24865
140+ comments and everyone voted 5 out of 5 stars. looks like you and your overly sensitive blue state ideology is outnumbered. go to krugman's blog and cry to him about red states. this site goes after ANY politician from ANY party - keep up the great work zerohedge.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:48
#25071
Yes, just keep crying to yourself, saying "its alright Sahah Palin will get elected someday." Meanwhile, please leave the adults in charge of the government.
on Thu, 08/06/2009 - 20:23
#28655
no. politicians do not solve problems (republican or democrat).... only people such as yourself who wear their political beliefs on their arm believe politicians solve problems.....now go put another politically charged bumper sticker on your car about the "adults in charge of government"..... the same people who use you for your vote. sheep.
#24865
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:04
#24601
Of all the words I have heard describe Cheney, efficient has never been one until today. Cheney is an ultimate bureaucracy twister. That is a rare enough skill and he is among the best ever at it. However, there is nothing efficient about a bureaucracy or those that can manipulate them.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:46
#24713
Oh Paul. That's just because you really don't know what he's done. You don't create shadow governments for transparency don't cha know!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:37
#24529
OrganicGeorge,
What do we do then? Wait for bitch face, and I mean that literally, Pelosi to challenge Rahm? Well hell, if she ever gets bored with f****** America to death, maybe...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:02
#24741
Good Knowledge cuz Rahmbo certainly wanted that job
but he couldn't deal with fruitcake blago.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:01
#24594
Gray Davis, another voice of reason and sanity that was thrown under the bus. But hey! it's California! What do you expect? At least they stopped the rolling blackouts (caused by greedy pigs facilitated by Enron)
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:05
#24603
Davis stopped the blackouts by stealing his neighboring states electricity through federal kleptocratic conduct. Arnold just steals from the counties and cities in his own state.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:15
#24877
Is that entirely true?
Didn't they gradually ratchet up the penalties for buying in additional leccy until Enron sorted their lies out?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:13
#24458
next challenge
GMAC Inc., the lender battered by persistent weakness in the housing and auto markets, reported Tuesday that its second-quarter loss widened to $3.9 billion and acknowledged it's in discussions with the Federal Reserve on $5.6 billion in new capital it needs.
The results, compared with a $2.48 billion loss a year ago, were driven primarily by a charge related to the lender's incorporation and continued red ink stemming from souring mortgage loans. GMAC squirreled away more funds to reserve against future losses, while knocking down the value of its commercial insurance unit as it readies it for a potential sale.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:36
#24528
Why is GMAC still originating mortgages? Is that why we bailed them out?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:55
#24579
So...does this mean it is too late to call Ditech?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:23
#24650
I miss Ditech commercials. Maybe I need to buy a television and start watching at liek 3am and the world will seem more like 1999 and less like 2012
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:03
#24599
Can they even borrow funds for less that 5%? Sadly, I guess so.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:07
#24606
Just run the funds through Cerberus Capital Management.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:16
#24468
Ok, I've officially decided to find a lawyer that will help me sue either Goldman or the SEC, depends on what the SEC's investigation turns up, but there's only 2 shells left, and there's a nut under one of 'em...
Should be a total exercise in futility, but hell what else am I goin' a do?
cheers, and thanks for the inspiration...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:23
#24494
You don't understand. The FED is the guy moving the nutshells, and the bankers are the ringer that the crowd sees win big. Everyone buys in, not realizing that - in fact - there is no longer a nut under any of the shells.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:37
#24530
Agreed, someone needs to sue the Fed.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:42
#24541
Who watches the Watchmen. Sue the SEC if they continue to come up empty handed and clueless and empty handed!!!
At the very least I can write a book about it when I'm done...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:17
#24469
FUCK ALL YOU CHICAGO CRIMINALS!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:57
#24587
dude im not a criminal wtf mate
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:16
#24880
And fuck you especially Daley for closing Meigs. MF!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:17
#24470
Since we are talking Executive Privilege, I expect Mr. Issa will in turn be told to fuck-off himself. By the way, where does Mr. Issa think this money is going since we have seen that his and Shrub's Any Rand policies of the previous 8 years created the biggest economic slump since Herbert Hoover.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:23
#24492
Waaa! And the South is still in shambles from Sherman's march. Get your mouth of Obama's balls and go hire somebody you whiner.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:09
#24615
You MUST be one of those General Howard kind of republicans by family told me about here in Tennessee..
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:31
#24671
No. The past is in the past is all.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:32
#24520
it is, oh , so nice you finally joined the discussion mister Rahm .. now go suck some Kenyan cock and fuck off ..
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:34
#24683
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcNWQ_VWMDk
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:19
#24471
Hmmpf, Issa's website is down.
What a great couple of days. First Geithner gets snippy, and now this. Priceless.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:21
#24479
Can't believe Obama is using same tactics as Bush & Cheney
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:33
#24521
me to, I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED i tell you
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:12
#24622
43 & 44, just like 42 tend to forget where the power comes from until they are reminded that they have water to carry and if they fail they will lose the juice. In the final analysis the politicians all do what they are told. There is not a leader to be found in WDC.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:25
#24657
Yes me too. With twelve Trilateral members in major posts, Larry Summers, Robert Rubin, Paul Volker in advisory posts, and Henry Kissinger as US State Dept Special Envoy, I really thought this was change my dog could roll in.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 22:20
#25275
The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and assistance to foreign hands should be curtailed, lest Rome fall.
Marcus Tullius Cicero
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:17
#24883
OMG, yes very shocking that he is more of a hypocrite than anyone before him, LOL.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:21
#24482
Come on TD - Issa claiming that 2.6 million jobs have been lost since Obama took office, like he caused that to happen somehow, is not only dishonest, it is patiently retarded. It think we all know that those losses were well on the way when Obama took office thanks to the Bush administration and the sterling Executive Branch work with all of the regulatory agencies.
I really dig this site, but getting in the weeds of this stupid political BS really, and plugging a liar and crook like Issa hurts your credibility.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:25
#24499
I agree. This makes me believe ZH has simply sold out/been threatened. So it's going to turn into a politioeconomic TMZ Cafe site. What's next, memba _________?
The problem is, TD is an intellectual weakling. Outside his little gnomeworld, he is ignorant, naive, easily subjected to pressure and manipulation.
ANYONE who lives in California knows what a complete piece of garbage Issa is. He himself should be in jail. He's just a dog.
TD is beginning to bark, too. Sad.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:30
#24512
Hey John, glad to see you are back.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:08
#24751
Kinda funny to hear someone critical of you on a day
like today. I mean with ZH driving policy and all.
Good on ya TD !
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:59
#24850
Good job TD. To those lost on the path, Issa is not the point here. The point is Rahm - and though a cerebral epithet may offer more class, it is more suiting to just say rahm is a fucking fuckhead.
When Goldman is dis-botted, can we get there bots to help with the Captchas.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:50
#24562
Rahm is this you? This is clearly a post from a rabid individual, you can tell when the post has no logic, just desperate emotional invective and dedicated to one side of the political aisle. As if calling someone childish names would convince anyone, you have very poor influencing skills - try liar, liar, pants on fire - it's all the rage on school yards.
We fight with our minds not our emotions at fight club. But then you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag judging by your picture.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:03
#24597
+1
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:20
#24980
Apocalypse Here, Apocalypse Now!
Spot on. You don't have to like everyone at Fight Club. Darrell Issa can fight at Fight Club.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:27
#24903
24499- its not difficult to tell that you are a liberal democrat who reads regularly and now you are crying because the republicans aren't the ones being criticized. I would not mind except I AM a liberal democrat. Only a fool believes that the same party or ideology is ALWAYS the one to blame.
And since your are such an intellectual heavyweight, maybe you should create your own blog instead of reading this one. Let us know what the link is when up and running so we can see your intellect at work. - uberhedge
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:39
#24534
Hey retard, it's "patently retarded" Spelling you can believe in.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:57
#24583
Heh, at least I know where the capitals go - wanker.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:26
#24658
wanker? wannabe limey douche perhaps?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:39
#24535
"Issa claiming that 2.6 million jobs have been lost since Obama took office, like he caused that to happen somehow"
I don't think that was the point at all - the point is, the rational for the stimulus was that it would cap unemployment. That was the argument for spending all that money.
It was a failure, and Issa is saying, let's acknowledge it was a failure, and not waste the rest of the money.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:22
#24484
How trivial this all is. Emanuel is a central component of the Rezk-Auchi-General Med crew. He's not going anywhere. Neither is the Rezko flunkey Obama. At least, not if Flatfoot Fitz blows the Rezko case like he did pre-9/11 (see Triple Cross).
Query: is Patrick Fitzgerald also a criminal? I mean, is he also working for General Med?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:26
#24500
How on EARTH did you discover that? Dude, you are dangerous!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:08
#24611
Because its all over the internet?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:11
#24755
You bring up depressing info and where is that birth
cert... oh never mind.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:06
#24860
Ooooo, please list the sites. I wanna know because my info comes from people in Chicago who have lived there forever and follow politics. These are people who spotted Alsammarae on the streets when he should have been picked up. So more please about Fitzgerald.
Nor do I believe that Rezko is saying "nada, zilch" about Obama's involvement. Now THAT is all over the internet. Everyone knows he committed "honest services" felonies in connection with the 2003 Hospital Planning Board legislation.
Who can give any info on what Rezko is telling Fitzy. After all, that little Gen Med rodentoid has been talking now for EIGHT MONTHS. Can he really have that much to say, and yet not a word about Obama, who, like Blago, was simply one of his lieutenants (just as Rezko was Auchi's lieutenants).
I know Fitzy is going after Daley, but come on, lift your nose out of the gutter, Fitzy, to see that although Daley is wrecking Chicago, Obama is wrecking the whole country.
Or are you just carrying out Gen Med orders, Fitzy? Sad.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:28
#24664
Anonymous #24484 please return to your sleep pod, you are violating section 394.A5093 4 of the Federal Thoughtcrime Prevention Act
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:23
#24487
tsk, tsk. with all the trillions being doled out to wall st. this guy is still fretting about the 737 bln stimulus - the only thing that really benefits the American people in this clusterfuck?
He should be writing these kinds of letters to Bernanke as well.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:24
#24497
What up with you all?
Darrell Issa is a joke. And if the stimulus hasn't been active in 09Q2, what do you think the reported GDP would have been? -8%? You like that better?
Sure everybody likes a snark but don't waste your time going after Rahm Emanuel and boosting Issa.
And Israel runs the White House?
ZH often has good stuff but there seems to be a lot of name-calling ignorami among its readers.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:41
#24538
Riiiiiight. Because if we wallpaper over bad numbers with government voodoo, then the bad numbers really didn't happen. Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:30
#24667
hahah yes i also have at least 6 months of crazy down in my basement incase we run out here on the board. so we're good.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:41
#24539
I'm afraid you're missing the point. Watching a hatchet man getting verbally pummeled is good stuff regardless of the purity of the pummeler. I've seen Washington from inside the beltway, and let me tell you something, it's an uglier picture than even Tyler paints.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:04
#24602
please tell more ....
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:26
#24661
Not at work, I'll fill you in later in the evening
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:36
#24685
WOHOOOOOO ... can hardly wait ...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:00
#24955
Okay, Cheeky, it's like this...
I have a 'relative' who was bright and ambitious and thus entered the shadow world of politics. Although he never ran for political office, he was active helping others get elected. He watched as the machine descended on the poor polling stations on Election Day to warn that the other side would end Social Security, knowing full well this was crap. He helped elect representatives that entered office virtually penniless and retired millionaires. In the end he grew weary of the debauchery and decay, and the sheer scale of corruption. He got out.
When you think about it, all elected officials have their own DeLorean. They know where the new airport will be located. Suddenly farmland that was selling for $5000/acre is worth ten times that. It's all about inside information, and there's no shortage of that in D.C.
And because virtually all politicians are narcissists, they have no interest in those that cannot help them personally (outside your vote, of course.) They spend their years in Washington growing fat (literally and/or figuratively) and throwing the occasional bone to their constituency, and thus have a warped perception of virtually everything that lies outside the Beltway.
Do you know what I look for in a person? I look for someone who is more conscientious spending someone else's money than he/she is with his/her own. Good luck finding that kind of character in D.C.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:52
#25011
+1. Also been close to politics -- personally -- and I've yet to meet a politician I couldn't eventually loath. Doesn't matter the party or orientation... they just suck the oxygen out of the room. The sociopaths playing on Wall Street are infants compared to elected officials. It must have something to do with all that adulation, all that "vote for me! I'm the best!" going instantly to their heads. Probably democracy is the best we have, but our system of voting and the influence peddling it encourages has managed to twist democracy into a scabrous prostitute sucking corporate gizz.
Pisses me off. Does not bode well for getting ourselves clear of our current set of calamities.
cougar
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:38
#24677
Cheeky I've lived in DC all my life, and basically the entire Congress are corrupt. It's a show for the cameras, the politicians are actors, just like in the twilight of the Roman Empire.
They are all bribed or blackmailed, so when it really comes down to it they do whatever they are supposed to. The thing with Issa vs. Emmanual is simply a case of balls vs balls -- just a Machivellian power play. In my opinion it is minimally to nothing based on principle, but I am glad to see it set in motion. We need these idiots at each other's throats so they can't screw things up more than they already have. The Executive Branch that has already seized two massive car companies and an insurance company, is using intimidation to silence it's political opponents etc -- is very similar to Italy early 1930s -- so gridlock and exposure of corruption is our best friend right now.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:15
#24761
In 1930's Italy at least the trans ran on time.
Chris Matthews- "HAAAAAAA !"
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:07
#24607
Give us some insight from an insider's POV.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:48
#24557
At least -8% would be a better reflection of reality. When can I get one of dem der stimulatin jobs?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:08
#24866
The best thing Israel ever did was to make peace with the Syrian mafia.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:30
#24511
Darrell Issa's major accomplishments are:
Patriot Act.
Election of Arnold in California.
Being the #1 puppet for Blackwater.
If Darrell Issa is you champion, you already lost the battle.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:39
#24536
and voting against the stimulus
(which in my book buys you a shite load of penance)
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:06
#24605
yeah, but Blackwater and Patriot Act make him a fascist supporting prick in my book ...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:16
#24629
As a graduate of the SERE course I am sure Issa would never willingly subject himself to the course or its methods.. Too big of a paper bag hag.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:32
#24518
You freakin' rock, TD. Thanks for bringing another smile to my face.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:35
#24524
I think we are all surprised that there is a "committee on oversight and government reform". Perhaps they could focus on the people's business once they quell the Chicago mobsters intimidation campaign, and Issa has won some political points.
My short list would include 1. the use of the executive orders and czars to circumvent the balance of power between branches and the constitution. 2. campaign finance reform that eliminates the efficacy of corporate lobbying outnumbering representatives 5 to 1. 3. investigate the banker take over of this country both by campaign contributions (#1 sector), bailouts that benefit campaign contributors, bailouts that benefit large banks associated with the Fed, selective bailouts that eliminated the competitors to Fed connected banks, the selected starving out of small businesses by removing liquidity, the use of tax payer money to pay huge bonuses to connected banks, the use of taxpayer money to send overseas to Fed connected foreign central banks, the use of AIG as a fraudulent conduit to make large payments to connected banks (claw back payments), the apparent interest in destroying the US dollar and its buying power, an audit of the Fed, and repeal of the federal reserve act of 1913.
The rotunda can not contain the smell, clean up your garbage.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:17
#24630
Ask Issa.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:40
#24700
You can actually smell the rot from clear across the Potomac imo
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:37
#24533
This time it's the U.S.
www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:43
#24543
An interesting early chapter in the Goldman-Emanuel relationship took place in the setting of Bill Clinton’s campaign for the White House in 1992. Clinton hired Emanuel as his chief fundraiser.
At the same time, however, Emanuel was on the payroll of Goldman Sachs, receiving $3,000 per month from the firm to “introduce us to people,” in the words of one Goldman partner at the time. This is certainly a noteworthy relationship, but it’s one that has almost entirely escaped scrutiny.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/TimothyCarney/Goldman_Sach_Will_Be_Sitting_Pretty_With_Emanuel_in_the_Obama_White_House_112108.html
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:17
#24631
DAAAAAMMMN!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:40
#24702
nice find, sir
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:10
#24867
Listen, Rahm and Hillary were lovers. They'd wear each other's clothes, prance about the room, speak in each other's voices...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:38
#24919
Shit, it even guesses the destination of bailout monies.
Prescient!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:45
#25005
$3,000 per month? Those cheap bastards.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:46
#24548
Damn TD, you stirred up a beezz nest now...smells like mayhem....
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 14:51
#24567
And, Rahm has really screwed himself politically if it brings McCain to start saying "my friend Jon Kyl" and "my friend Jan Brewer."
Wrong state Rahm, wrong state - stupid infantile little Rahm. AZ hated Washington before this happened.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:07
#24608
Holy ****!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:10
#24616
Situational comedy. Gotta admit that the Rahmster had it coming. But, let's be real, this ain't "Chicago-style" politics, it's just good ole hardball in Washington. EVERYBODY is grandstanding on this one.
That said, it's a good thing for Rahm to be "checked." Without that, even a Saint could go bad.
And Rahm sure as hell ain't no Saint.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:12
#24617
WTF! All my posts are producing twins . . .
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:32
#24679
better that, than be Octomom
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:11
#24621
the enemy of your enemy is your friend. rahm needs a few takedowns and i'll take them where i can get them.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:19
#24639
Yep!
Weaken all of them. After all, they are just post holes.. On the rent to own program.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:41
#24703
/agree
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:25
#24656
Why isn't it that the Chicago School of Economics has been discredited by this crisis instead of the Keynesian School. The GDP report just out showed but for government speading GDP would have been far lower than -1%.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:12
#24871
It has been discredited: Hitler lost the war.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:32
#24680
Ring, ring
Rahm: Hello
Issa: Fuck off Rahm
click
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:36
#24688
My GOD, this site has turned into the Drudge Report. I can not believe the assholes populating the message boards on ZH these days. Where the fuck did you idiots come from?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:42
#24704
We were always here, waiting...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:42
#24705
I can only speak for myself, but I crawled out from your fat ass
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:43
#24708
Vicelord,
Maybe I'm an asshole but,
Do you think this is important?
"In kingdom, Saudi prince's coup 'fails'"
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=102313§ionid=351020205
An attemped coup in Saudi Arabia.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 08:49
#25596
The Saudis are always doing that shit. Happens a few times a year, usually by a "former" something or other, this time a former ambassador to the US.
Your source, the Iranian English-language propaganda outfit, is anti-Saudi (and anti-US and Israeli for that matter) for reasons that should be obvious.
-Daraja Rabii
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:52
#24722
I'd prefer if were like the Old Man Murray forums of old. Then I could say things like, "Holy centipede filled vagina, did vicelord really get all that crap on his tongue from licking Clinton's ass? Doesn't that boy wash down there fer Chrissakes!"
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:04
#24745
Vicelord, 10 of your last posts here are all about calling us idiots. If that is so, why don't you just fuck off somewhere where all the living Nobel laureates discuss things and hang out there ... its fucking pathetic to call people idiots, when your own posts have no intelligence in them and no new insight in the things we discuss ...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:37
#24917
vicelord pwnage!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:43
#24928
Yet another democrat married to his ideals of liberalism. According to Taleb- it is dangerous to be too married to ones ideas all the way to the grave. Now go read krugmans blog vicelord. - uberhedge
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:39
#24696
This is all very nice but what does it have to do with this market is finally going to crack?
Isn't that all we're really trying to figure out here?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:00
#25022
In general, yes. But posts like the current one are intended to entertain to a degree, and we can all use a outlet now and again. Stick to the posts with charts and you'll find the same folks talking a different talk.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:39
#24698
Hello from Chicago! BTW I am not a criminal.
First of all it's funny to see someone blame Bush for where we are today. This started in 1913 and has been going ever since. Only fools argue Republican v Democrat!
I wish all you partisan noise makers would read this book. It's 200 pages and explains everything.
http://apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
Rahm etc. have their strings pulled like all the bootlickers...he's just higher up on the string.
Oh yeah, and he worked real hard to make like 14 mil in 2 years or whatever.
TD I think this was a great post. If you are ever in town call me and I'll take you for some pizza.
Johnny Dangereaux
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:49
#24719
I have already found fault with the congressman's logic. He's claimed the stimulus has failed... I thought John Maynard Keynes had already figured this out over 80 years ago...
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:53
#24726
how many governors of the land of lincoln have been imprisoned? how many shooting deaths have there been on obamanation's glorious south side over the past month (60+ in a city where guns are 'illegal')
seems chicago tactics don't work in chitc0ng0 either, way to go amerika, you voted in a real doozy
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 15:56
#24729
60 in month? Dat's a lotta lead pollution!
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:12
#24757
you have a link on the shooting deaths? thanks
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:12
#24756
I don't get it. If Arizona doesn't want stimulus money, then why should we make them take it? I'm all about letting some people back out of it if they want. Fuck 'em.
Obama has done an awesome job stabilizing something that would have been FAR worse. Granted, a lot of assholes have made off rich. But would you rather not have a job? Would you rather not be able to get money out of banks because there are none left?
I also really love how he pokes at Keynesian economics saying, "I thought outdated and discredited Keynesian economic theory.." If anything, the past year has given much credit to Keynesian economic theory. And 'Free Market' theorists will likely have to remain quit for quite some time. There was a short period of time where NO private investor would consider stepping into our markets. And hell, that's even happening now! Look at our low volumes! And I know you dumb-asses will argue everything will get better, the markets just need to contract and restabilize on their own. But as the man said (to paraphrase) In the long, we're dead. And I think that's something Mr. Durden here understands quite well. Don't you...?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:32
#24793
epic fail
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:03
#24857
Yeah..... I'm being to think the ruse put on by Mr. Durden and how easily you sheep fall in line represent the true epic fail. I mean, seriously. This guy could shit on a plate, you'd all eat it, and then praise the flavor.
Ok. I'll let Tyler answer something, or even one of his sheep since you all seem to think the same, what would you rather do? I know this will be difficult. But instead of being critical, give a reasonable alternative to government intervention.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:46
#24897
ok, since you lack the brain capacity to conclude why i called your post an epic fail i will elaborate myself. First of all, Keynesian intervention is false because government just in-debts public sector to clean up the losses that occurred in the private sector, and that is interventionism and fails to bring order into chaos. Social Darwinism ( one of the neo-American foundations ) is not about helping the weak to survive, but to insure the strong to take leading role in the system. Second of all monetizing debt trough inflation or hyperinflation creates the spiral which can not be solved, unless all intervention is halted and natural economical events take their place. Bankruptcy law exists for a reason. From a political point of view governmental takeovers of private enterprises are defined as fascism. Economically when you transfer debt from private to public domain you not only need to increase taxes to service the debt, you also diminish the purchasing power of an individual, and that leads to even higher taxes and so it goes ad infinitum ...
and the third thing i would like to mention is, you gain no credibility here by insulting people, mainly because it is childish and does not support your view, and second of all because those types of arguments are not excepted in a valid debate and thus have no point. so before you decide to call us all stupid, you should pick up some fundamental economical books and actually know something about the topic you wish to discuss.
And finally, Keynesian policies had no major effect in solving any economical crisis, just prolonging it, and inevitably, those political structures which implemented Keynesian measures defaulted( America in 1933 when it defaulted in its gold obligation,America in the 70s during Nixon when it also defaulted on its gold obligations and introduced FIAT currency to service its debt and the cost of the Vietnam war, Argentina defaulted in 2000, Zimbabwe massive hyperinflation of 100 000 %, and numerous other countries like Wiemar Republic, etc )on their debt or vanished from the economical playground. And if your argument to this comment will include evoking New Deal as a successful Keynesian measure i will write Double Fail under you comment, but i will not try to explain my position, just because you should know by yourself that New Deal was a fail of epic proportions.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:11
#24972
Why is this so much fun... I don't know. But it is.
Ok, so. All-in-all I got about 7 points out of your response, even though you list 4. I'll hit them individually so it's easier to read. I want to be nice, now.
1- So, interventionism never returns order..... but it at least returns order in the short run, right? You have to concede that the government's intervention last fall staved off one of the worst events in the world's history. Maybe you won't agree the effects would have been one of the worst... blah blah. But you have to agree the government's intervention stabilized a tumbling market.
2- Social Darwinism. Not sure why you brought that up. But fuck social darwinism. Those who were lucky enough to be born with a strong intellectual faculty and/or raised in an environment that strengthened their faculty's capacity have no real claim to social superiority. They may claim they do. They may even convince the less intelligent of the same. But that just means smart people are self-loving assholes.
3- Inflation can be "solved". Are you kidding me? What do you think the Fed does...? But I do agree somewhat. Too much inflation runs serious risks of getting out of control. However, we've be in a period of deflation. Which is MUCH, MUCH worse than inflation. Deflation destroys markets. And in an environment like this, it could prove how wrong you free-market-fucks really are. And (the second point), the alternative of not intervening was completely unacceptable. Would you rather start over? Have a new America? I wouldn't mind it, honestly. In fact, I remember last fall I was smiling about it. But I don't want my dad to starve. And the interim until the world would be rebuilt would be a horrible, horrible time to live. So I'd rather not do that. Thanks for the offer though.
4- Government takeover is fascism...? Why kind of argument is that? It's not even an argument, it's a definition, and it's not the correct one either. Here, I'll direct you to the correct definition of fascism: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism
5- You're right about taxes going up, except the infinitum part (I can't get taxed more than 100%. what are they going to take, my wit!). But I'm ok with taxes. I say tax the rich fucks that let the richer fucks get us in this mess. Put a 80% tax on anyone making over 10 million. What the hell do you do with that kind of money anyway, besides the whole smart = asshole thing.
6- It seems plenty of people send out insults on this site. You even sent one to me. You're just mad because this time it's directed at you. And that usually doesn't happen here. Because you all think alike. Just as you have "to be one of them" at GS, here you have "to be like Tyler." And that's why you're all ruffled up. Because you like insulting others, you like being on the side that's insulting others, but you really don't like being insulted or questioned. Because you can't take it. However, you are correct about Ad Hominem attacks. They don't really serve a purpose in an argument. But on the internet, they're sooooo much fun!
7- Obviously an argument between us will not conclude in agreement. You will never convince me. I will not to you. So whatever. But I would be interested in researching those policies that had no major effect other than prolonging the crisis. And please don't send me anything about the New Deal, as it was obviously beneficial, or any crack-pot conservative website. Just the crisis and the policy, maybe the country or state or city as well.
Well, that was fun. And I wasn't even an asshole. Or was I?
I bet you're not gonna get the subtlety of that last bit so let me explain. I was smart. Therefore, I was an asshole. I guess I was kind of just an asshole in general, though, too.... Hmmmm.... oh well.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:52
#25010
1- So, interventionism never returns order..... but it at least returns order in the short run, right? You have to concede that the government's intervention last fall staved off one of the worst events in the world's history. Maybe you won't agree the effects would have been one of the worst... blah blah. But you have to agree the government's intervention stabilized a tumbling market.
You assume that i am interested in the short run. I am not. There is something called " probability concentration point " and it happens when a function of systemic behaviour gets close to 1 and thus increases the probability execution of a certain causal behavior. But let me put it simple. You can not kick a can down the road indefinitely, because the road is just so long, and in the end there is a wall which will kick the can further from the point from which was kicked before it hit the wall. So no, mathematically, you argument holds no water because the effects of government intervention will produce lower outcome than was the input, and will in some short period of time yield 0 effect.
Social Darwinism. Not sure why you brought that up. But fuck social darwinism. Those who were lucky enough to be born with a strong intellectual faculty and/or raised in an environment that strengthened their faculty's capacity have no real claim to social superiority. They may claim they do. They may even convince the less intelligent of the same. But that just means smart people are self-loving assholes.
I brought this up because social, or would you rather for me to call it economical, Darwinism is one of the principles of natural, systemic and individual progress and you can not suspend it, or halt it, you can only try to postpone it with some measures which, in the end, will yield no result whatsoever, and you will have a system or an individual which/who will depend on outer constant assistance and will not have the means to sustain itself and that results in failure/death. For further argumentation read the response to your first paragraph.
Inflation can be "solved". Are you kidding me? What do you think the Fed does...? But I do agree somewhat. Too much inflation runs serious risks of getting out of control. However, we've be in a period of deflation. Which is MUCH, MUCH worse than inflation. Deflation destroys markets. And in an environment like this, it could prove how wrong you free-market-fucks really are. And (the second point), the alternative of not intervening was completely unacceptable. Would you rather start over? Have a new America? I wouldn't mind it, honestly. In fact, I remember last fall I was smiling about it. But I don't want my dad to starve. And the interim until the world would be rebuilt would be a horrible, horrible time to live. So I'd rather not do that. Thanks for the offer though.
You are wrong. We are in a period of sequential deflation but with a certainty of rampant inflation in the near future due to the all the money that was printed, but not put into the pipelines. The inflation will occur when that money goes in the pipeline and on the street and starts chasing goods and services. And taking into consideration the political environment that can be expected to happen in the six to nine months this is a political certainty because a) real employment will go up if for nothing else than for setting the campaign ground for democrats and Obamas supporters, b) all the new introduced measures like Health care, Cap and Trade, Cash for Clunkers, FDIC support, TARP, TALF, PPIP etc. It is empirically verifiable that the volatility is far lesser if there is no intervention in the free market principles ( i point you to research about the recession/depression of 1920 ), than when the intervention occurs. And the larger the monetization is, the greater the volatility is. Again, Economical Darwinism would show itself and the economy would shortly rebound because new, healthy and sustainable institutions would emerge and took its place as sector leaders.
4- Government takeover is fascism...? Why kind of argument is that? It's not even an argument, it's a definition, and it's not the correct one either. Here, I'll direct you to the correct definition of fascism: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Fascism
Fascism, pronounced /?fæ??z?m/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology. - describes the 21st century America perfectly ( Patriot Act, Homeland Security, suspension of Habeas Corpus, suspension of the right to an attorney and objective judge, Preventive wars, 99% of court cases suing the state in which the state wins, etc )
-You're right about taxes going up, except the infinitum part (I can't get taxed more than 100%. what are they going to take, my wit!). But I'm ok with taxes. I say tax the rich fucks that let the richer fucks get us in this mess. Put a 80% tax on anyone making over 10 million. What the hell do you do with that kind of money anyway, besides the whole smart = asshole thing.
High taxation is ok, it only has one flaw; for every dollar you tax you remove 3 dollars from the real economy, and in the end you have nothing to tax because there is no private money in the economy ( i point you to research the concept of Communism and practical economical policies of the USSR and N. Korea )
6- It seems plenty of people send out insults on this site. You even sent one to me. You're just mad because this time it's directed at you. And that usually doesn't happen here. Because you all think alike. Just as you have "to be one of them" at GS, here you have "to be like Tyler." And that's why you're all ruffled up. Because you like insulting others, you like being on the side that's insulting others, but you really don't like being insulted or questioned. Because you can't take it. However, you are correct about Ad Hominem attacks. They don't really serve a purpose in an argument. But on the internet, they're sooooo much fun!
It is logically false to say that a prevalent characteristic ( knowledgeable and intelligent ) is unique and that no other participant of this forum has it. Knowledge and intelligence are not unique, just rare, and here we have above the average concentration of both. So no one is trying to be like Tyler, and Tyler is not an argument for our participation, but rather a man who created something where all intelligent and knowledgeable individuals can gather and discuss their ideas and exchange knowledge about some particular topic.
And i agree with your last paragraph, and yes it was fun ..
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:00
#25021
Please read the constitution, again (I will assume you have read it). If you still want to be a member of the United States, get back to us. The Federal government got too big and we let it happen. Every intervention is a response to the consequence of a prior intervention. Intervention on intervention has wrought absurdity. Every move is crisis management in the face of rapidly evaporating legitimacy. Everything happens piecemeal, policy wise, because all they have time for is propping things up with things like the bail out. If the system is nothing but a series of prop ups, you are building a house of cards, it will fall.
Congress passes bills they do not read. Think about that.
Let it crash. It is like a bad marriage where both partners are unhappy (and having affairs) but they keep up the appearance of a good marriage because they don't know what else to do. They, like the US, need transparency to heal it. Running up debt is a way to keep up the appearance of a healthy country. Those fuckers in government have been crooked for so long (like our metaphorical adulterers) that they don't know what else to do and if they tell what they have been doing, they will get in trouble.
I could have said this shorter-- You are really wrong and deluded in an unhealthy way.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 09:07
#25620
@MsCreant: I'm not going to come back to this thread so I'm not sure why I'm responding to you.... but whatever. I have read the constitution and I'm not sure why you brought it up. Anything listed in there cannot prove/disprove any economic theory. There is no data in the constitution (at least as far as I've read).
Also, about "let[ting] it crash." I'm down. Let's do this. I want to see the Dow at 0. I want to see everyone on this site freaking out because they have no money, no job, all banks have gone under, most coporations have filed bankruptcy and the Fed has to print paper just to keep up with the mounting bankrupt debt until it, itself, goes bankrupt. And in that case, we'd install an actual central bank owned by the people (likely Congress) instead of private banks. And then we'd start bailing out the mistakes of the past. But at least we'd finally know. And there would be no more debate. That markets suck.
But like I said earlier. I'm all for the market crashing and everything falling to pieces, at least for me. Because that would mean that I was right, and that free-markets are parasitic on themselves. But I don't want my Dad to starve. So after he gets old, and goes the way of the Do-do, let's give it a try. Let it all fall to pieces. And I'll rise amongst the centralized leaders! JK- I wouldn't make it through the bureaucratic ropes.
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 11:22
#25829
Doxastic,
Now that you have a name I will look for you. There is no fixing this. Fractional Reserve Lending always does this, never mind the blatant theft. There will always be a point in the system where debt obligations overwhelm the capacity to grow, not to mention that the concept of infinite growth won't work in a universe of finite resources (unless you have a plan for getting us off this rock so that we can get more "stuff").
on Wed, 08/05/2009 - 13:29
#26013
@anon/dox? LOL.....nice response to Cheeky...yeah...maybe you should stick with the Huffington Post...obviously you've NEVER studied the Austrians.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:44
#24813
praise be to issa!!
two senators from ga know i support issa and kyl's defiance of the thug director of north american mossad operations.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:55
#24834
Given the anonymity of the site, direct R/D political attacks are probably best reserved for another character. TD character served as a financial guru/critic, not a political pundit?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:57
#24946
Exactly how are finances and politics NOT related? Are you even paying attention to FTW!?! is going on?
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 18:32
#24996
The same way Leia and Luke aren't related. Stupid is as stupid does - outsmarting them never seems to help. Cheating, lying, etc. however - appears to work wonders.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:16
#25037
with d.o.d. here.
Politics (government) and finances are so interwoven in the USA that they should be one term....call it polefine. whatever. Kinda goes back to the old saying (it may have been John Locke, I don't remember) of " ...almost all politics is about who gets the money."
there simply is no denying that.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:32
#25056
I think the term already exists, crony capitalism.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:46
#25156
If you're working to effect change, your end demographic is the LCD, lowest common denominator - ie general public.
Given journalists are lazy idiots - and thanks to our sorry excuses for universities, trend hard left on the pseudo-liberal slant...
My guess is that Matt Taibbi and friends won't find comfort in Tyler's criticism of god's inner circle.
There is no right or wrong or right or left - there's just a dying generation squeezing the last ounce of blood out of their warring, burned out ideologies.
Just thinking about it hurts my head. Bush fucked this, Obama fucked that - cut either way and half the country goes deaf. Just saying.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 20:58
#25174
Since this is dead anyway - might as well toss this one on the heap.
"To destroy this invisible Government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day." - 1912 Progressive Party Platform, attributed to Theodore Roosevelt and quoted again in his autobiography where he connects Trusts and monopolies (sugar interests, Standard Oil, etc.) to Woodrow Wilson and William Howard Taft, and consequently both major political parties.
on Thu, 08/06/2009 - 11:34
#27397
Let's see, "deadhead" and "John Locke" go together about as well as "government" and "finances" do. It takes a skillful cook to combine ingredients that individually have the capacity to overwhelm the senses yet remain palatable, discreet and pleasing when served on a party platter.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:53
#24837
Tyler, love the diversity of information you provide here. Some of your readers apparently want you to stick to the financial side only. Fuck that. Keep doing what you do man, you're in a league of your own.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 16:56
#24842
With you on that - would love to see this expand beyond the financial realm. But I still think it's work/fun best reserved for another character.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:35
#24870
Same situation - Marla character seems to have fun running weekend podcasts. Then someone comes on and calls her listeners pathetic fat bastards who tune in to fantasize about connecting with a person, who in real life, probably bears no resemblance to Helena Bonham Carter. The anonymous commenter claimed to be questioning the connection of the podcast to the site - when it was just something Marla obviously enjoys. So the anon poster was just being a dick, but it seemed to be pretty effective in deflating the comments. But I'm quite sure Marla escaped without any emotional scars :)
Tyler posts many times a day - I'm too ignorant to understand half of what the hell he's talking about. But it's working and the theme appears to be "FUCK YOU!" to the status quo and the Ivy League douchebags running our country into the ground. I support that.
Idiots start believing that the message is supportive of either party and it loses some of its potency I think. Then again, I'm just a marketing asshole. Fascinating to watch this site evolve in the short time I've been around.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:18
#24886
Nothwithstanding the fact that Issa is a major douchebag, Rahm Emmanuel is an even bigger douchebag, not to mention a shit-eating zionist, the son of a terrorist, and CoS of the Obama administration.
I am Chumbawamba.
on Tue, 08/04/2009 - 17:22
#24893
Issa and Emanuel are both scum, as the ship sinks the rats are chewing on each other on the way to the lifeboats.
EE