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Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine

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Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine

Deadly flu continues to spread across Ukraine, criminal World Health Organization lies to the public, MSM maintains radio silence.




There are many aspects to this story. It is impossible to know where to begin -- let alone cover all the pertinent facts in just one article. Those who have followed my Zerohedge columns in the past may be aware the subject of pandemic influenza has been a regular feature, precisely because there have been multiple signs indicating a global pandemic would be exploited (and perhaps even initiated) by governments and international banks for political purposes.

 


The signs have been building, including as I previously reported, forced quarantine orders inadvertently published by the CDC. What do these people know which the public does not?



SUMMARY


 

Over the past two weeks, what appears to be a particularly virulent form of the flu has been spreading in Ukraine and adjacent Eastern European countries. This new flu is, in my opinion, a lethal new strain which has mutated (or was released). I speak with a background in virology. This new mutated flu virus appears to have a remarkable affinity for the lungs and is causing deaths to a much higher extent than the previous swine flu. Something in the virus has changed. I have covered this incredibly important story for two weeks now in my weekly column This Week In Mayhem, which is generally published on Monday mornings.


 

Regardless, there has been almost zero (NOTHING. NADA. SILENCE.) mention of the Ukraine epidemic in the mainstream media, a fact which I find both astonishing and profoundly disturbing. There is apparently collusion at the highest levels of government and media to suppress this information. There are now 1.3 million infected in Ukraine, and over 75,000 hospitalized -- IN FOURTEEN DAYS. This is very serious! Based on previous clinical data we can expect over 8,000 to be dead or soon to be dead. Forward projection of the epidemic is difficult because the clinical attack rate is unknown  -- but myself and my associates remain concerned it may be quite high. Deaths globally may be in the millions. Let's hope this is not the case.


An example of viral pneumonia.   Yeah, fail.


The new flu strain, which I contend is spreading in Ukraine and Belarus, is characterized by a lightning form of viral pneumonia -- very similar to what happened in 1918. The new flu virus appears to have profound tissue affinity for sialic acid receptors deep in the lungs, replicating in the alveoli. To put it mildly, the lungs fill with blood.  Quotes from Ukrainian officials included quotes such as "total destruction of the lungs." Ukrainian Doctor Viktor Bachinsky has stated, "The virus causing the deaths is extremely aggressive -- it doesn't first infect the throat (as is common in flu), but strikes the lungs directly."   In Ukraine's western Chernovetsky region, an epicenter of the outbreak, doctors have said lab tests showed at least some of the fatalties appeared to be caused by a flu dissimilar to both common flu and swine flu.  In other words, a mutant flu.  This claim of a 'mutant flu' has been echoed by Ukrainian public health officials such as Dr. Vasyl Lazoryshynetz.  Unfortunately, as noted in the above Russia Today video, pharmacies across the country are sold out of antivirals. To the hard of thinking -- yes, this is currently happening in Ukraine.

 

I have multiple sources confirming spot outbreaks of viral pneumonia in Eastern Europe, including official and non-official entities.  In terms of the current situation, there appear to be a high number of pneumonia patients in Ukrainian and Belerusian hospitals.  This epidemic has not shut down Ukrainian society yet, but it has caused many people to become concerned, and to buy up essential medicines.  Reports from doctors in Belarus indicate they do not expect this deadly new flu epidemic to peak until Christmas or later.  This is why it is important to analyze the situation and viral genetics now, and if necessary, contain the spread of the virus while it is still possible -- something the criminals at WHO do not appear interested in doing. These idiots at WHO have yet to release the viral gene sequences (even though they have had them for two weeks), and are now outright lying in their press releases, which I detail later. In terms of how dangerous this new flu strain could potentially be, I conducted a rough analysis of the Ukrainian government statistics, yielding a projected case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.61% -- over six times as lethal as seasonal flu.  

Lastly, there are signs the virus is genetic engineered.

 

 

 

 

 

DATA FROM THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT

The Ukrainian government has been releasing daily data updates on the numbers of "acute respiratory infections" , the number of related hospitalizations , and the number of deaths since Oct 28, 2009.  These reported numbers have increased substantially over the past two weeks, from near zero before Halloween to over a million as of today. It is important to remember that these statistics are not laboratory confirmed H1N1 cases (due to the state of the Ukrainian medical system), but we can cautiously assume at this point the vast majority of ARI (acute respiratory infection) in Ukraine with rapid progression to viral pneumonia are caused by influenza A virus. This is because a large subset of these samples are coming up positive of Influenza A, and a smaller subset tested by rt-rtPCR are coming up positive for influenza A/H1N1, or what is more commonly known as 'swine flu'. This suggests we are dealing with a viral epidemic of influenza.

 

 

This is not 'swine flu' as previously known. Statistically, the only way for this to be 'swine flu' is if it has mutated (or if the data is wrong). . . We will get to that in a minute.


As I mentioned , this data comes directly from the Ukrainian government. In the past two weeks, ARI have gone from near zero before Halloween to affecting 1.3 million Ukrainians. Over a million people are currently sick with probable H1N1. More importantly, there are over 75,000 total hospitalized at the time of the writing of this article, Monday 11/16. Based on these two figures (75,000 / 1.3 million), approximately 5.6% of those infected with this new ARI end up at the hospital. This is the critical statistic which allows us to estimate how f*cked we actually might be.

 

 



Officially, there are 299 deaths, but a realistic estimate shows this is easily one order of magnitude too low. Realistically deaths are between 2,000 - 8,000 people from this probable new strain of the flu -- so far. The number of dead is sure to rise dramatically, as we are only two weeks into this new epidemic. Which brings us to our estimation of the case fatality rate (CFR).   Again, I would love to be wrong about this.  Let's hope I am.

 



ZH ESTIMATION OF THE CASE FATALITY RATE

The current American strain 'swine flu' has a case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.1% or less. Seasonal flu has a CFR of 0.1%. The 1957 pandemic had a case fatality rate of 0.5%. The deadly 1918 pandemic had a CFR of 2 - 5%. Based on the Ukrainian government statistics, the new mutated Ukrainian flu has a CFR of 0.61% or higher -- that is, 6.1x as lethal as seasonal flu , perhaps more.  Perhaps less if our assumptions are wrong.

We arrive at the 0.61% CFR statistic based on the number of hospitalizations in Ukraine vs. the number of infections. This estimate is only as good as the underlying data, but I have confidence it is in the ball-park (order of magnitude). I consider the official reported number of deaths (299) to be unreliable for political reasons. No one wants to be the country with the lethal flu. Doctors, especially those in Belarus (which is a dictatorship) feel strong administrative pressure to label influenza viral pneumonia deaths as something else, for example cardiac failure. Thus , ARI hospitalizations are the more reliable indicator for what is happening on the ground.  Deaths can be implied from hospitalization statistics, assuming we are dealing with a form of H1N1 influenza.

Last week, the medical journal the Lancet published a meta-analysis of the (old) swine flu confirming a JAMA report that approximately 11% of hospitalized patients who had contracted the (old) swine flu died.  We will use this 11% figure as our "middle case".  The official government reported deaths (299) are considered “best case”. For a "worst case" estimate, we can assume that 25% of hospitalized flu patients will eventually die. We can use these 11% and 25% statistics to estimate the case fatality rate of the Ukrainian flu. The method is as follows:





To calculate the "middle case" and infer fatalities, we take 0.11 (11%, the figure from the JAMA) and multiply it by the number of Ukrainian hospitalizations on a particular date, to yield the expected number of ultimate fatalities. This method assumes the vast majority of reported ARI are from H1N1 swine flu. Using the November 15th data, this gives us 8345 expected fatalities. We take the number of expected fatalities and divide this into the total number who are estimated to be infected on the same particular data point (Nov 15). So 8345 deaths / 1.36 million infections , which yields the case fatality rate, which in this case is 0.61%. Obviously this is a rough estimate, but it is probably within an order of magnitude of the real CFR.



Assumptions for this model:
1) The vast majority of reported Ukrainian ARI are some form of H1N1 flu.
2) The data from the Ukrainian government for infections and hospitalizations is reliable and is not 'massaged' for political purposes.



Implications of this model:
1) If A1 and A2 are true, then statistically speaking we must be dealing with mutated H1N1 influenza (mutated 'swine flu').


In any case, this estimated CFR for Ukrainian flu is over six times higher than seasonal flu. Not good.  Let's hope this is wrong. Our "worst case" 25% estimate gives a CFR of 1.39%, enough to eventually shut down commerce and society across the planet -- but fortunately it is likely this "worst case" estimate is far off the mark. For our estimates here, including the CFR estimate of 0.61% using the data from the JAMA -- supposing this estimate was purely based on Ukrainian government statistics, we could consider such an arbitrarily high Case Fatality Rate unreliable , and the product of bad data.  However, in the context of multiple reports from individuals as well as state health authorities of MANY cases of viral pneumonia and thousands of patients in intensive care in Belarus and Ukraine, we consider this CFR estimate to make much more sense. That is, it fits the data on the ground of a worsening flu pandemic with a tendency towards viral pneumonia.

The old swine flu did not cause viral pneumonia, generally speaking. The new apparently mutated swine flu does, to an extent orders of magnitude higher. Thus , there must have been changes to the receptor binding domain , among other genes (perhaps PA, PB2, and NS1).

 

 

 

 

CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION 

I am not fond of the World Health Organization. In my opinion, it is a tool of corrupt billionaire international financiers with which to achieve their dark global geopolitical objectives in the area of public health. These objectives are rarely in the public interest. We could spend paragraphs discussing deep corruption at WHO. One important point to remember is their obvious complicity and criminal cover-up regarding MMR vaccine contamination with Avian Leukosis Virus (ALV) , which may induce cancer.

The point here regarding WHO and the potential outbreak Ukraine is several:


-WHO has yet to release the gene sequences of the Ukrainian flu, despite possessing them for almost two weeks. They have also had a “team” on the ground in Lviv for a similar period of time. Where are the flipping gene sequences? The WHO has claimed there are no “big” mutations in the flu strain (apparently ruling out a viral reassortant), but has so far refused to release the Ukrainian flu gene sequences to the Internet community for analysis. This is reprehensible. What are these people doing? The world could know very quickly what we were dealing with if this genetic data was published, but instead it's being kept secret for whatever ulterior motives the WHO is operating under.


-WHO issued a press release on Friday which contained the following astonishing quote, bordering on deception.


“Because of a sharp rise in pandemic influenza cases one week ago in Ukraine, the Ministry of Health requested assistance from WHO European Regional Office to evaluate and respond. The initial analysis of information indicates that the numbers of severe cases do not appear to be excessive when compared to the experience of other countries and do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.”


Okay, let's see: Ukraine asked WHO to respond. WHO sent a team to Lviv. So far so good, despite the missing gene sequences. Now wait, what? The WHO publishes their all-star analysis... “The number of severe cases do not appear to be excessive”? Are you kidding me? Please explain how 75,000 hospitalizations in two weeks is not 'excessive'? And how all the pharmacies sold out of antivirals? And how Ukraine is under de-facto martial law? And that Yushenko gave a prime-time speech more or less threatening political dissidents if they don't follow government orders? Or that school in Ukraine is canceled for three weeks? Half the country under quarantine? Hospitals seeing a surge of viral pneumonia patients? What gives? Are these people at WHO retarded or are they criminals?

Oh and of course the gem of this press release by WHO: That “[ the numbers of severe cases ] do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.” Hahahaa! You are going to tell me that Ukraine went from two cases to 1.3 million cases in 14 days , and that doesn't represent any change in transmission? Is this supposed to be a joke? These pharmaceutical crooks damn well better explain themselves if you are going to make claims so obviously contrary to reality. Does the WHO contend the Ukrainian government just pulling these figures out of the air? What of the case reports of rapidly deteriorating viral pneumonia in Belarus, Ukraine, and Romania? What is causing this? What about the statements from Ukrainian health officials that we have a new flu strain? On what data are WHO basing these preposterous claims, which fly in the face of reality and common sense? Why not release the Ukrainian gene sequences? There is an obvious spike in mortality and pneumonia – why? Does WHO contend this is another pathogen besides influenza? If so, what? Honestly, this statement issued Friday November 13th from WHO is so obviously full of lies I really don't even have to comment; anyone with a brain can see they are not telling us the truth.  

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_13/en/index.html



-WHO dodges questions from Bloomberg and Sun Media regarding a mutation in Ukrainian flu during last weeks press conference.

Phil Serafino, Bloomberg: Dr Shindo........I have a second question also which may not be your area of expertise but have you heard anything about the mutation of the virus or has it changed at all - are we looking at anything different than a few months ago?

Dr Shindo /WHO: Well, I can answer that question first. The virus is quite stable. It hasn't changed........

Joseph: This is Joseph from Kuala Lumpur - I am from the Sun Media......I just want to ask whether or not any slight mutation even a drift variant has been noticed so far?

Dr Shindo / WHO: Amazingly this virus is very stable and part of the reason, virologists (are saying) is because of the lack of pre-existing immunity in population so that virus doesn't have to mutate to escape from people's immunity. So it's quite stable.



What a joke! You'd think these fools at WHO were politicians , rather than doctors! Twice, the WHO official dodges questions from reporters (Bloomberg nonetheless!) on whether we are dealing with a critical new mutation in Ukraine sequences responsible for higher lethality and infectivity. Unbelievable. Again, I suggest these actions by WHO, taken in concert, are more akin to the actions of a criminal syndicate than to a global public health service. Lies and evasion. Stonewalling. Is this how we expect public servants to behave, especially on time-crucial issues upon which millions of lives depend? Unfortunately this is par for the course. Perhaps we should re-evaluate our conception of the world in which we live. hint: it is so incredibly corrupt, it defies man's imagination.


-Someone personally contacted WHO asking point-blanc , “Is there a critical mutation in this flu in Eastern Europe” and was met with silence.

The above speaks for itself. I was made aware of this contact through a phone conversation with a journalist from globalresearch.ca.


 

 

 


SILENCE IN THE MSM 


I have mentioned the silence in the MSM on this issue. The only significant story I have noted was a story in Bloomberg. The NYT jumped on the bandwagon last Friday with a garbage fluff piece not addressing the critical questions. Furthermore, prior to these two articles, all MSM stories regarding Ukraine and flu were focusing on the internal political rivalry , rather than the rapid increase in infections and hospitalizations. My opinion here is that the MSM has been deliberately ignoring this story, as well as spinning it as “insignificant” by framing it as foreign politics rather than public health.

Instead, we see the usual MSM flu garbage about getting vaccinated (but of course no mention of vaccine contamination), about children getting sick, about pet cats catching the flu, and so on. The hype machine is still running 24/7. So where were the stories on Ukraine? What gives? Judging by all the ridiculous swine flu scare stories we've been hearing since past Spring , you'd think the mass media would jump all over the opportunity to scare the hell out of the public with the potential emergence of a new strain?  But instead, silence. 

 


THE VIRUS MAY BE GENETIC ENGINEERED 

I mentioned this before, I will embed the genetics image once again.

 

The swine flu virus is a triple-triple-reassortant , with the earlier triple-reassortant being approximately one decade old. The new H1N1 ('swine flu') emerged out of nowhere, out of season in Mexico, and went on to infect many people out of season in Spring 2009. The virus was fit and transmissible from the start – there was no detection of sporadic community outbreaks prior to the replication coefficient exceeding 1.0, resulting in sustained transmission. So this virus emerged ready to go – whether from genetic engineering, or from natural selection. However, no farm or wild swine herd has been identified which served as the reservoir for original Mexico City outbreak. The “patient zero” so-hyped by CNN – a 5-year old boy from La Gloria, Mexico – supposedly contracted the infection from a swine factory farm 80km away. This, we are supposed to believe, even though the virus was not identified in any pigs at the factory farm. So no source has yet been identified. The origins remain mysterious.

While a triple-reassortant flu is not uncommon, in the context of other information , geopolitical , economic , and scientific, the emergence of the original swine flu is extraordinarily suspect. The potential virulent reemergence is Ukraine after aerosol spraying is even more suspect. The H1N1 virus contains genes from multiple flu viruses – three to be precise. These three flu viruses which comprise 'swine flu' are from multiple continents. Furthermore, a total off 4-8% of the RNA (genetic material) is entirely new, with no known match in the public gene databases. The RNA polymerase in this flu is extra-ordinarily error prone according to the University of Edinburgh, multiple times the error rate of seasonal flus. Furthermore, the RNA polymerase is comprised of a bird-human-pig hybrid protein trimer from an earlier H3N2 triple-reassortant. This may be partly responsible for its ability to easily bridge across species. According to Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, for this virus to emerge naturally, swine would have had to pass through quarantine twice in order to acquire the necessary genetics. Once from America to Asia , with a wait time in quarantine, and then back again from Asia to America, once again with a wait time through quarantine to America. Of course, this does not even include the pig getting the necessary flu triple coinfection after making ,its journey around the world. Even after this may have hypothetically occurred, the emergent virus was suddenly evolutionarily fit to spread in pigs, yet also genetically fit to spread in humans, yet also acquiring the necessary host-to-host contact between man and pig. If this was so, why was this not detected in any swine in Mexico prior to humans spreading the virus back to their herds? This suggests the virus emerged in humans first, prior to swine, which would indicate potential genetic engineering.

 Lastly , comments from Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, suggest a laboratory origin for this virus. Dr. Gibbs was very courageous to state this opinion despite the mass media brainwashing to the contrary. Gibbs suggested the emergence was unintentional, but I do not believe that to be the case. Many powerful players stand to benefit from the emergence of a pandemic , especially one with the 'genetic history' necessary to establish plausible deniability on the occasion the virus 'spontaneously' becomes more virulent. A short list of of such entities and their potential objectives is provided in the second-to-last section of this article. For further research regarding the emergence of swine flu ,its genetic structure, and potential players involved, I suggest reviewing the work of Bill Sardi, who has his papers published on Lew Rockwell.com.



Where Did the H1N1 Late-2009 Flu Season Virus Come From?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html

Why Isn’t the H1N1 Pandemic Flu Being Investigated as a Designed Bioweapon?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi133.html

Bill Sardi Archives
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi-arch.html

Co-creator of Tamiflu says 'swine flu' was created in a lab
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=94664&sectionid=3510210

 



US ARMY INSTITUTE OF MOLECULAR PATHOLOGY RESURRECTS PANDEMIC VIRUSES 

Some may not be aware, but our government has spent immense amounts of money resurrecting the deadly 1918 flu virus which killed millions of people. This terrible plague was lost to history – prior to the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army Institute of Molecular Pathology. Approximately one decade ago, teams affiliated with the US government began digging up deceased individuals who were preserved in the Alaskan permafrost – individuals who died from the previously-extinct lethal flu from 1918. The fragments of viral RNA were combined from various dead bodies, in order to get the full spectrum of genetic material necessary to rebuild the deadly 1918 virus. These mad scientists used OUR TAX MONEY to sequence the RNA from a constellation of genes belonging to this extraordinary lethal flu, in order to reconstruct it. Once the entire deadly 1918 virus was sequenced, it was reconstructed from scratch using the process of reverse-genetics, and then active reconstructed 1918 viral particles were inoculated into animals – including primates --in order to study their incredibly 'lethal' effects and destruction of lung tissue. The government has spent a huge amount of money on programs closely related to weaponization of influenza.

Multiple studies were published by the US Army / Ft. Dietrick team, with most articles with abstracts freely accessible in NIH Pubmed, and many co-authored by Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army BSL3/BSL4 (Biosafety Level 3/4) laboratories. One of these studies involved comparing the X-ray crystal structure of the 1918 virus hemaglutinin to H5N1 (bird flu) hemaglutinin, which is a curious topic to study, unless you are attempting to create lethal pandemic flu. This is stepping so close to biological weapons research I am astonished this much was published. If you think this Army program was somehow not involved in weaponization of influenza, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. They were obviously involved with weapons research. If and how the current 'pandemic' is related is up for debate.

 Of course, the latest 2009 gems from these various scientific psychopaths include a study published this fall titled “Resurrected Pandemic Influenza Viruses.” In this study, the mad-scientist brain-trust affiliated with Taubenberger uses big research money funneled out from Uncle Sugar's loving tentacles, and constructs recombinant pandemic viruses in order to determine the amino acid changes responsible for virulence (lethality). In other words, these individuals are being paid to study how to make influenza more deadly. Why?


The whole point of this idiocy is that it's somewhat like Jurassic Park. If you do not resurrect the Velociraptor, you do not have to worry about it killing you. So why resurrect the Velociraptor? Is this not foolish? Or perhaps money talks, and Uncle Sugar likes his weapons, regardless of form or function.


For further information, see:


Resurrected pandemic influenza viruses.
Tumpey TM, Belser JA.

Influenza Division, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia 30333, USA. tft9@cdc.gov

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19385726


as well as the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger, searchable at NIH Pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez













AEROSOL SPRAYING IN UKRAINE EARLY IN OUTBREAK 

If one examines the charts posted at the beginning of this article, it becomes apparent the Ukraine outbreak begins approximately Oct 28 – 30, 2009 if we are to believe the official statistics. Additionally , we know the Ukrainian government's daily statistical updates began on October 28th 2009, when the rate of infections began to increase from a previously established baseline. What is curious is that this time frame coincides with reports of low-altitude aerial spraying in areas where the virus spread the most rapidly, particularly the Lviv region. In fact, reports to the Ukrainian government regarding low-altitude aerial spraying around Halloween reached such a high incidence, the government was forced to issue an official denial that were any aerial 'flu reduction operations' in progress. 

So the question becomes, what exactly was going on here? What were eyewitnesses observing?  Was something being sprayed?   Could the spraying have the objective of modulating flu infectivity?  Clearly something interesting was going on if the government was forced to issue an official denial and with hundreds of eyewitness reports.  


Ukraine Reports of Overhead Aerosol Spraying

On October 31, Kiev newspaper editors got dozens of calls about light planes doing aerosol spraying during the day. In refuting the claims, the district's Emergency Response office said "no permission had been granted for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits." Yet eye-witness accounts from Lviv, Ternopil, and other Ukraine cities said the same thing.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/111109Lendman.shtml



Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The Office for Emergency Situations Desniansko district of Kyiv denies reports that in the metro "Forest" with the help of aviation dissipated funds against influenza. 

Earlier today, the city rumors that over the market near the metro station "Forest" flying the plane, spraying some way from the "swine" influenza. The caller to the editors of newspapers in Kiev "forest residents reported that they or their friends or relatives of people here have seen circling over the aircraft market. It was also reported that retailers were encouraged to stay in tents. 

The administration of the market "Forest" strongly refuted this information. 

In Gosaviadministratsii correspondent "Newspapers in Kiev was told that any permission to fly to the city limits of small aviation aircraft today are not issued. 

For information on spraying means against influenza is also refuted in the Directorate of Health of the city. 

However, such rumors are being discussed in Internet forums Lviv, Ternopil and other cities.

http://mycityua.com/news/city/2009/10/30/171747.html


Interesting, huh? So on Oct 31, local Ukrainian government authorities advise people to stay indoors because of anti-flu spraying, which is then followed by eyewitness reports and complaints to Kyiv and Lviv authorities of light aircraft spraying aerosols, which is then followed by repeated strong denials from government higher-ups... Indeed, the plot thickens. The question is rather, are these facts relevant to the situation? Related? Just rumors? I simply do not know. Your guess is as good as mine. Just another piece to the puzzle. Our job is to determine if it fits.

 

 



BAXTER PHARMACEUTICAL SENT DEADLY CONTAMINATED FLU VACCINES LAST YEAR 



Last year, Chicago-based Baxter Pharmaceutical sent deadly contaminated flu vaccine to multiple sub-contractor laboratories in multiple countries – to include , at minimum Czech Republic, Slovania, Austria, and Germany. Baxter's vaccine product was represented as H3N2 “seasonal flu” vaccine material – but this product that was somehow “accidentally” contaminated with the 30-80% deadly H5N1 'bird flu'. Theoretically, this could have caused a terrible global plague had this egregious mistake not been caught by a sub-sub-contractor called Biotest in the Czech Republic , who by a miracle decided to inject their animals, and noticed all their laboratory ferrets contracted lethal illness after testing Baxter's deadly vaccine material.

 



Here is the relevant Bloomberg article from Feb 24, 2009:

Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error

Feb. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Baxter International Inc. in Austria unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in three neighboring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I


Again: Last year, Baxter sent out seasonal flu vaccine material to labs around the world , vaccine material which was somehow 'accidentally' mixed with deadly H5N1 bird flu! If humans had been inadvertently exposed to this vaccine material, they could have easily contracted fatal bird flu and potentially spread it to others, resulting in a lethal global pandemic. This should never have happened, but Baxter has offered no explanation for their actions, nor the sequence of events which resulted in this deadly incident – where restricted H5N1 bird flu virus somehow left their secure facilities ,and ended up in seasonal flu vaccine material. Insanity!

Here is a diagram of what actually happened:


 

Now again, this should NEVER happen, because these pathogens are normally handled under BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) procedures. Thirty-seven people at Biotest in the Czech Republic spent the month in quarantine because of Baxter's criminal idiocy. At the very least, Baxter's vaccine bird flu contamination was criminally negligent. No individuals at Baxter have been brought to justice for this potentially deadly incident.  

And this is not the last time you will find Baxter connected with deadly flu...

 

 

 


THE STRANGE CASE OF JOSEPH MOSHE, ISRAELI VIROLOGIST

 

Given that I run in the Internet underworld, I do have the scoop on this interesting story. In August 2009, a patriot radio host (Dr. A True Ott) on Republic Broadcast Network (RBN) received a phone call from an unidentified man with a thick Middle-Eastern accent. The man claimed to have knowledge of a large Baxter production facility in Ukraine, which he claimed was involved in producing biological weapons – particularly in the form vaccines contaminated with biologically active RNA from the H5N1 virus (sound familiar?). See above. The man claimed Baxter would eventually provoke a lethal global flu pandemic.

Now, as a radio host, Dr. Ott gets a fair amount of random phone calls, so he took what was mentioned by this mysterious caller with a grain of salt. Now the man , who turned out to be Israeli virus scientist Dr. Joseph Moshe, asked Dr. Ott where he could turn in evidence – including documents – regarding Baxter's involvement in influenza weaponization programs, particularly through their Ukrainian production facility. Dr. Ott asked the man his location – to which the caller replied 'Southern California' – so Ott told the mysterious caller (Joseph Moshe) that he would be best off taking the documents to a US Attorney's office in downtown Los Angeles.

The VERY NEXT DAY the following televised standoff occurs in the parking lot outside the LA Federal Building. Microwave weapons. Tear gas robots. Swat Teams. The works. You have to watch the video to believe it. The media and Feds claimed Joseph Moshe made threats against the White House. Are you kidding me? I don't buy it. This guy was a threat to someone's agenda. Watch this video of the incredible level of force used against this unassuming Israeli plant scientist, and judge for yourself what you believe.



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Incidentally, here is Joseph Moshe's biography.  

Moshe Bar Joseph, Prof. (Retiree)
Plant Protection, Plant Pathology and Weed Research
Research Interests / Job description
Telephone Tel: +97289350823
Cellphone Cell: +972509350823
Fax Fax: + 97289352826 
Email: mbjoseph@gmail.com
Office location: Bet Dagan
Dept of Plant Pathology and Weed Research
ARO, The Volcani Center
Bet Dagan 50250
ISRAEL 

Research Interests / Job description:

-Management and control of virus and virus like disease agents of subtropical fruit trees, with special emphasis on citrus.

-Certification programs, nursery propagation methods and modern cultivation practices of citrus & subtropical fruit trees.

-Eradication policies and practices of potentially epidemic disease agents of fruit trees.

-Phytoplasma, Spiroplasma and insect vectored disease agents of citrus and subtropical fruit trees

-Molecular characterization and evolution of Closteroviridae and of viroid disease agents.

-Methods of pathogen detection and elimination.

-Transgenic plants (citrus) and rapid propagation technologies.

Personal: 
1972 Ph.D. Hebrew University, Jerusalem

1984 Researcher, Grade A+ (equivalent to Professor, Dept of Virology, ARO, The Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
1983-1984 Head of Department of Plant Pathology, Volcani Cente
1995-1986 Head of Department of Plant Virology, Volcani Center

1994 -2004 Professor (Adjunct) Department of Life Sciences, Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva.
1996-1997 Scientific Director, The Gilat Experiment Station, Northern Negev.

1986-2004 Founder and Head of the S. Tolkowsky Laboratory for Citrus Disease Research. ARO, Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
2004, 1st of September, Retired Officially after 39.5 years of service.

Supervision of Graduate Students
Since 1982, I served as an independent supervisor of PhD students from the Faculty of Agriculture Rehovot, The Hebrew University , Jerusalem. In total 11 M.Sc. and 9 PhD.D. Students, have completed their degrees under my supervision.

Awards
1980 The Lee Hutchins award, The American Physiopathology Society
1996 Elected, Scientist of the Year, Agricultural Research Organization, Israel



Moshe hasn't been heard from him since this incident – we assume he is dead. The connections between Moshe, Baxter, Ukraine, biological weapons research, and influenza, and the overwhelming use of force (microwave weapons, etc) certainly gives me pause as to what is going on here. Moshe fingered Ukraine as the source of a potential outbreak in August 2009 – months before we see what appears to be the spread of a stronger more deadly flu strain in the country he named.  I suppose we are lucky that this time it does not involve Baxter's H5N1.

 

 


  
POLITICAL OBJECTIVES OF INTERNATIONAL FINANCE CAPITAL

 

Anyone who carefully studies the world we live in , with an appetite for the truth and a discerning eye, will quickly realize we have been sold a false bill of goods. A pack of lies, if you will. The truth is, Governments are incredibly corrupt, and they are getting worse. Large Banks are criminal enterprises. Politicians are for show, and are generally bribed or blackmailed. There are only a handful of individuals who are not morally compromised.

When sufficient excavation of the facade of modern civilization is conducted, it becomes clear we are dealing with international money power – a global criminal syndicate consisting of corrupt multi-billionaires and their associates acting in their own criminal interests. Their objective is nothing less than to impose a form of neo-feudalism of the countries upon the world.

Sound hard to believe? Take a look at the actions of Bernanke, Paulson, or the SEC. These are the actions of individuals and institutions representing a corrupt purpose and objective, not simply academics who are incompetent. This same pattern of corruption we see in global finance is repeated across the board, from defense contractors to pharmaceutical companies.

Take a look at the resemblance of the current trend towards privatized profits and socialized losses. This is a business model that would fit quite well in Italy in 1933. We move closer and closer towards the model of global corporatism as international financiers consolidate their power and ownership through public-private monopolies. All that is missing is a new war. The plague is obviously on its way , whether sooner or later.

Ultimately , as we mentioned, the objective is global neo-feudalism and the destruction nation-states through various methods (war, poverty, famine, plague, etc). This is all crystal clear in Henry Kissinger's National Security Study Memo 200, which advocates forced depopulation of the third world in order to maintain the narrow political objectives of a corrupt elite. 

While their objectives are complex, their methods are much simpler.

Part of this policy is depopulation. Which is why we can expect war, disease, and famine in the coming years. This will not be blind chance. This will be political policy.
 


CONCLUSIONS

 

In this article, I attempted to review all aspects of a potential flu epidemic in Ukraine. There are various puzzle pieces which have accumulated, and I have attempted to paint a picture of a rather dark reality which many will not be familiar with. My objective is not to frighten anyone, but simply to force the hand of the global authorities towards a more sensible outcome through deliberate media exposure.

We appear to have a new strain of influenza in Ukraine-- but this is not the only possibility. A new strain of H1N1 influenza is simply the best explanation at this point in time. We may also be dealing with false statistics from the Ukrainian government coupled with rumors. There are other explanations as well. As we go forward, information will slowly become more available – outside the channels of criminal authorities, who know their time is short.

We must remember never to tolerate corruption and evil, lest it consume the beauty mankind has worked so hard to construct.

 

 

 

 

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by bugs_
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:27
#131838

Thanks for pounding the table Mayhem.

by Bonesetter Brown
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:41
#132158

Check out this thread on Flu Tracker -- lengthy but tracks the history of the outbreak in Ukraine.

http://fluboard.rhizalabs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2474

And the latest commentary from Dr. Henry Niman

http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11160903/Ukraine_315.html

WHO silence on releasing the Ukraine sequences is deafening.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/24/2009 - 11:23
#140561

nobhodysaysBOO:
Thanks for a good piece,
are there any real time web cams in the ukraine?
Do the live cams show lots of dead animals or humans?
Why not?
The japs tried this and failed mostly,then we nueked them
just for fun,can you imagine how angry the russians will be if they find out Dick Chainey did this,with isrealie help
talk about up in smoke lol delay a trip to the hole land this xmas

by Cheeky Bastard
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:39
#131855

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:04
#131908

Should we go LONG on Baxter Intl?

by Cheeky Bastard
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:51
#131980

I dunno; ask David Rockefeller ....

by ShankyS
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:30
#132019

I have a bunch of Swine Flu stocks charted here - use the chartbook dropdown to navigate or click on the charts to move thru them.

http://stockcharts.com/def/servlet/Favorites.CServlet?obj=ID3186525&cmd=show[s166458509]&disp=P

LOL - I assume most of you saw the add to Find Your Ukraine Babe Today up on the left.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:39
#132261

Shanky - heard you calling into Alex Jones`s show last week +1 you even plugged Zero Hedge instead of your own site ++

by Hephasteus
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:37
#132686

I got a post deleted on seeking alpha. A guy wrote an article about what companies to invest in to profit from swine flu. I told him something mean. But it's ok. He's not sensitive so it didn't hurt his feelings. ;)

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:40
#131856

1.4 million infected? is this real?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:14
#132322

No its just PM spreading gov't lies, trust me I'm in the Ukraine right now and there are no such problems.

by SWRichmond
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:41
#131860

Indeed, those are not good odds.  Thanks for this excellent summary, PM.  I am watching this with great interest.

by Dumbledore
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:45
#131867

This is bullish, right?

 

Seriously Mayhem, many thanks for keeping us informed.  It is criminal that word of this isn't being screamed from the mountaintop by the MSM.  When it eventually is, it'll be too late.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:09
#132458

"This is bullish, right?"

I hope not because some of us really love a good virus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A409yO-G1Mk

Bonne chance à tous!

by Lou629
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:49
#131875

PM,

I'd like to hear your opinion(s) for the reason(s) that the msm isn't all over this like flies at a picnic? 

We all know the bastards absolutely love the hype & hoopla of a good crisis or disaster, so why wouldn't they have already gone to 24/7 coverage of this situation like they seem to do with almost everything else?  The lack of coverage just would not seem to fit in with their usual agenda, 'yaknow?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:13
#131924

Perhaps they want to stockpile their antiviral meds first.

by Lou629
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:58
#132096

More like perhaps it isn't happening at all.  The msm around the world crave this kind of thing.  After 9/11 the bastards were practically salivating at the thought of another attack in NYC or somewhere else over here. They would be all over this by now if this story had legs.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:55
#132178

Simple (pardon the interjection). Market is up +150 today. This, according to Jim C during his interview with B cubs Burnette should give the retail investor a warm fuzzy feeling to enter the market in preparation for next week's headlines (certainly after this Friday's option expiration haircut):

"Global pandemic scares investors - Down down 557 points in 1 day".

Retail [traders] are getting smarter (albeit dumb money bullish too frequently) so volatility has to be extreme to force losses.

Money isn't made or lost. It is simply transferred. GG

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 11:52
#131885

Up until now I considered all the blog talk on the Ukraine flu to be bull shit. Now this is scarry shit. Thanks for the heads up on what is coming.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:11
#132320

Its totally BS. I'm currently living in the Ukraine there are no problems, its all propaganda.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 04:17
#134251

If you really live in Ukraine then you wouldnt call it "the Ukraine"
Only tourists and folks that have never been to Ukraine call it "the Ukraine"

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 18:20
#135211

Sorry bad habit using "the". But, that doesn't change that fact there is no flu pandemic here.

I'm an American who is currently staying Zaporozhye been here for a couple of weeks prior to that Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev.

If you don't believe me email me at percolator469 AT yahoo DOT com and I'll put you in contact with with others that live here and will tell you the truth.

Or better yet get on a plane and come over here and see for yourself.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:26
#135292

oops!

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:34
#135305

Hey Grammar Nazi,

Why don't you call me at 3-80-984-588-608, that's my Ukrainian mobile number, we'll talk about the Ukraine?

by Ghettomedic
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 23:19
#135484

Google Voice -- only .10 per minute to Ukraine.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 14:06
#134805

hey,
can you tell us a little bit more?
where are you?
please give some more information, so we are able to
decide what is the truth.
if its all propaganda, do you know why?
thanks
kathrin

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 18:42
#135242

First of all I'm a US citizen. I've been traveling to Ukraine for the past 4 years, a couple times a year for extended stays.

Currently I'm living in Zaporozhye been here a couple of weeks prior to that Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev.

A few weeks ago there was a panic, but things have all settled down. All my friends here and business associates say its propaganda by the gov't. Its very complicated, but in a nutshell Yushchenko just wants to stay in power longer as his term is set to expire in January. Check out this link:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

BTW, more people have died last year than this year from the flu. See the link above for this fact as well.

You can email me percolator469 (at) yahoo (dot) com and I'll put you in touch with my friends who will confirm there is no flu pandemic here.

by Internet Tough Guy
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:06
#131911

Is it possible that the H1N1 vaccines the .gov is currently pushing are secretly a vaccine for this new strain? Maybe they don't want to cause panic?

Just a tin hat thought.

by earnyermoney
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:10
#131916

PM

Given your assertion on potential genetic engineering or weaponization, it seems this is timed to suppress the vote for upcoming Presidential elections. If this is the case, does this support a pro Kremlin candidate over Yushchenko?

by Divided States ...
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:01
#131998

This whole thing may be fabricated (much like this whole new bull market crap) to make sure that people do not come out for the elections in Ukraine. Political stunt to adversely effect the election results as people wouldnt risk their lives to vote for something that aint worth a dime.

by Bear
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:21
#132244

Elections are January 17, 2010.  Who will be left to vote?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:12
#131919

People in Ukraine say there is no deadly flu. They were fooled for a couple of days, but after that they realized it's nothing more than political games.

by SDRII
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:13
#131923

mayhem,

 

Ukraine is a serious choke point (austria anyone). GDP printed this am down 16% after a -17% ptint last Q. If you look at the Russia issues over the past few years as regards basing, ports and of course nat gas transmission, throw in the economy and then consider what a leg down in Eastern Europe means for the euro banks (see Evan Pritchard today re China and the paper overed Euro banking issues) - Ukraine is a supremely logical choke point. Wiki shows Ukraine as the 2nd richest country in arable land. A virtual breadbasket. Now consider what happens if the country goes into duress theoretically: (1) food production suffers; (2) Russia gas transmissions suffer; and (3) European banks could see a cascade if a default were to pass

by BRAVO 7
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:21
#131934

 THIS BIOLOGIST SAID IN AUGUST THAT THE KILLER VIRUS WOULD BE RELEASED IN UKRAINE.

NEWS VIDEO HERE:  http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8239

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:34
#131952

http://theflucase.com/

by Divided States ...
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:22
#131938

The Ukraine stock market is not showing any signs of sneezing though...that does not make any sense either? I guess they have machines trading over there as well while the human traders are all lying sickly in hospital beds?

This is amazing that such important news have to be found on blogs.

by Artful_Dodger
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:24
#131940

Greetings from Strasbourg.

Interesting to note your workings here. If you compare the breakout of the plague in 1348 to now the entry into europe was from the east.

 

One interest calculation.

First plague 1348-1351

Second Plague 1665

 

The difference between the two plagues (1665-1351) is pretty much 100 x pi = 314.14

 

(circa 1348 - 1351) + 314.14 + 314.14 + 31.41 =  2007 September to late 2010/2011

 

Martin Armstrong would be proud, although he may ultimately be safer in Fort Dix.

 

by jedwards
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:56
#131992

lol

1665 is pretty much 1000 + 666. 

1000 + 666 + 666/2 + 666/66 = 2009.  If we extrapolate this out, it could very well be:

1000 + 666 + 666/2 + 666/66 + 6 = 2015, which means this plague will last another 6 years.

lol

by tip e. canoe
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:09
#132315

interesting piece of pi, danke.

by Fibozachi
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:33
#131950

Great comment Artful_Dodger !

Fantastic, unique article Project Mayhem !  Thank you for it !!

by bugs_
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:36
#131953

Mayhem

Would it be possible to get an ethnicity breakdown
on the deaths and hospitalizations?  I think this
is the key issue and the reason for the silence.

by MeTarzanUjane
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:16
#132218

Yea, also I want to know;
1) How many are prostitutes
2) How many use prostitutes
3) What's their favorite positions

4) And are there any funds available from the WHO for countries ravaged by the Swine Flu?

Thanks.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:18
#132469

Exactly, the US must help this region of Europe with an emergency loan for $125 Billion or this deadly strain will spread across the globe and kill 100's of millions of people.

It's in our best interests to contain this outbreak. Send the money post haste.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 14:18
#133444

I thought you are in the Ukraine and you had spoken to others who said this is false story and propaganda. Now you want $125 billion. Which is it?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 11:32
#139424

Please send the money to:

Mr. A Smith
on P.O. Box 555283
Central District
Abuja,
Nigeria.

by Cistercian
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:37
#131955

 Thank you.I am concerned that Malthusians may do a deliberate release to cull the herd.This insane philosophy is driving so much of the global agenda now it is scary.Global warming and the entire "green" movement find Malthus as a serious driving force.Ever notice how concerned the elites are with the reproduction rates in third world countries?Notice how they embrace China's insane and brutal population control program?Anyone who thinks china has this correct is morally insane.If this virus is a weapon, I would hope that there is some way to bring the perpetrators to justice.

 

 I think the hype of the flu over the past years combined with the silence on the situation in Ukraine speak volumes.And reveals evil intent.

by truont
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:41
#131958

I hope they find the %&$#ers that did this.

Oh, wait, they did this.

I guess it is up to us to find out who is responsible.

Too bad there are less microbiologists in the world, nowadays.

Did those Harvard microbiologists who got poisoned coffee ever recover?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:41
#131963

Here's a comment from someone who lives in Ukraine:

Man, its like some kind of Orwellian fantasy here. I live in West Ukraine, and it was crazy panic for the first week with people and the media spreading wild rumors. But then people started realizing that no one they knew had the flu or had died and everything they were hearing about death was coming from second hand or media sources.

Theres just no sick people.

I went to a big hospital on Friday for a minor injury. And it looked like a normal Ukrainian hospital.They werent over whelmed and were able to see me promptly.

Sure theres flu here, I got it last month before all this started happening. But its just normal flu.

The good thing now is that since people arent seeing dead people and no one really knows of anyone whos died. The people now think its just a political stunt for the elections in January.

I personally think its more about this countries financial situation. I believe Ukraine is real close to default and if it goes, how many Western European banks will go with it? So you see, its always good to have a flu epidemic handy when a region of the world descends into economic chaos.

On Friday Im going to check the prices on a few things that Im tracking, to see if a form of hyperinflation is setting in. All I know is that prices are going up but I cant tell if its a normal amount of inflation for this country or if it has picked up its pace.

Anyway all this said, dont worry about the swine flu. So far its just propaganda, rest assured I will be the first to put out the warning if it becomes real and people are really dieing.

Source: http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-dollar-good-as-tungsten.html?showComment=1258363409340#c4353645359530266776

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:42
#131964

People are taking anti-biotics to treat this viral infection, and thus weaken their imune system without harming the virus - that is what is causing the excessive hospitalizations. Anti-biotics can be purchased over the counter in Ukraine.

by heatbarrier
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:43
#131966

You don't think Russia would take advantage of the situation, would you?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a5t8mso.EYlU

Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Ukraine’s economy contracted 15.9 percent last quarter, extending the former Soviet state’s decline, as political wrangling stalled the payment of bailout funds needed to keep the country afloat.

The annual contraction compares with a 17.8 percent slump in the second quarter, the Kiev-based state statistics committee said today, citing preliminary figures. The final data will be published on December 30, according to the statement.

Ukraine lurched into recession after the global crisis undermined demand for steel, its main export, and left about 20 banks in need of state aid. The nation is now relying on a $16.4 billion International Monetary Fund loan to avoid bankruptcy and to keep up Russian gas payments ahead of winter. The IMF is withholding a $3.4 billion tranche after parliament passed a social spending bill in defiance of the fund’s calls for budget cuts.

“The figure turned out to be worse than we expected,” said Olena Bilan, an analyst at Kiev-based Dragon Capital investment bank. “It means that improved industrial output was offset by domestically-oriented sectors.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ukraines-rating-downgraded-by-fitch-to-...

Ukraine's rating downgraded by Fitch to B-minus

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Fitch Ratings downgraded Ukraine's sovereign rating on Thursday to B-minus from B, saying the nation's budget is falling further into the red, jeopardizing aid from the International Monetary Fund. The rating outlook is negative, Fitch said in a release. The IMF's decision to suspend its aid program until after the January election, unless the government reverses new policies on wages and pensions, leaves "a very large window where the country is very vulnerable,"

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:52
#131982

Great summary. This whole scenario smells to high hell. I wonder if this is actually an attempted attack on Russia via the Ukraine via Israel? True or not, if this spreads to Russia, look for a serious "rebuttal" from the Kremlin.

How much longer are "we" going to put up with this shite?

by Phil Gramm
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:52
#131983

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16088

Information from a coroner in the Ukraine.

by tip e. canoe
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:16
#132324

from the article:

"It is necessary to improve the human immune system. Not only now, but in general. Garlic, onions, wild rose, viburnum (guelder rose), raspberries, citrus fruit, honey, and other fruits and vegetables – whatever you want. Those with a strong immune system will survive. Those with weaker immune systems will succumb to the disease."

excellent advice.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:34
#132483

Ah, bloody hell Tippie!

The initial strain of H1N1 produced a Cytokine Storm in the lungs and strong healthy people were at risk as their lungs would over compensate for the virus' destruction.

The smart healthy people immediately started smoking 3 packs of Camels a day and drinking as much Jack Daniels as they could acquire.

Now we have to get on the treadmill and reverse course?? WTF?

I liked A/California/07/2009 - H1N1 the most. Good bye little buddy, see ya in the lab.

by tip e. canoe
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:15
#132666

just mix your jack with some fresh lemonade :)

by NRGTDR
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:53
#131985

Excellent work PM!

If you are not familiar this topic.....(GOOGLE: list of dead microbiologist) :

Here is a start>

The mysterious deaths of top microbiologists 

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

 

 

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:36
#132058

Ok, now this might be a bit scary. I know the odds are totally against this being a coincidence, but is it possible?

by Cheeky Bastard
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:54
#131988

 DO NOT SCARE ME MOTHERFUCKERS; FACTS OR GTFO ..... AND IM TO STUPID TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE FACTS AND THE FICTION ... that is given the medical explanation, i don't know the professional lingo ...

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:30
#132048

My thoughts exactly.

Here is my first thought. If someone were to release a super bug/virus that just devastated populations, who is to say they could contain it? I mean, once it had accomplished what they needed it too, how could "they" reliably "put it back in the bottle?"

by Neo of Zion
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:11
#132118

That sounds way too much like Quantitative Easing to me....

by MsCreant
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:45
#132445

Yikes! Excellent but...

Let me edit please...

Quantitative dis-easing.

by heatbarrier
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:15
#132656

How about releasing a smokescreen virus and using the cover for targeted hits? Remember the head of archeological museum in Mexico Obama visited? That's when this whole swine flu epidemic started.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamas-host-dies-from-f...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5233492/Barack-Obama-met-man...

by MeTarzanUjane
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:11
#132398

Do you know how many people travel in and out of the Ukraine every day?

How does this epidemic stay strictly within the boarders of the Ukraine.

Project Mayhem, for sure.

by J.B. Books
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:58
#131993

PM, simple question - if the number of deaths were happening in Ukraine wouldn't it show up in public networks (facebook etc) as doctors and nurses posted?

Unless the government has shutdown the internet and stopped allowing the people to post - is it possible that your stats may be a little overstated?

Books

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:06
#132305

You're right J.B.

PM, doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been in the Ukraine for the past week there is NO pandemic.

Its all scare tactics and fear mongering by the Gov't here ahead of the elections in January and to receive financial aid.

More people died last year from the flu than this year:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

Its this sort of BS reporting that causes ZH to lose its credibility.

by ilene
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:00
#131994

Dear PM,

I've been trying to follow swine flu news and am curious as to what you think is happening exactly.  I can't really tell from the article, but here are a couple other ones:

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1934946,00.html  (in TIME, dated Nov. 6th)

Ukraine is in the midst of what some might call swine-flu hysteria. The country is in virtual lockdown mode, with the government closing schools, universities and movie theaters and banning all public gatherings until the end of November. Pharmacies have run out of protective masks; those who missed the rush are improvising with scarves or homemade facsimiles. And rumors are running rampant, much as they did during Soviet times when the authorities tried to cover up disasters like the Chernobyl nuclear-plant meltdown. "We are worried that the swine flu has mutated and is killing scores of people," says Nina Sokolovska as she stands in line at a pharmacy.

To be sure, flu is spreading in Ukraine, with the government reporting more than 600,000 cases in the last week. The Health Ministry said Thursday that 95 people have died from the flu or respiratory infections, although it's uncertain how many of these deaths have been caused by the H1N1 virus and how many have been the result of seasonal flu. The World Health Organization says it's safe to assume the H1N1 virus is widespread.

My summary of the Nov. Nature article on characteristics - virulence, transmissibility and reassortment potential of the current swine flu as seen here.  In terms of symptoms, they discuss the propensity of the virus to go deep into the lungs, and also mention that recombination with the circulating seasonal flu viruses has a greater likelihood of leading to changes than random mutations.  They did not give as much detail as your chart above (I was curious as to the source of that chart as well).

Here's my summary of the Nature article (at phil's stock world): 

http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/2009/11/15/swine-flu-update/

So, there's a lot of material on the internet (an overwhelming amount, which is actually not helpful) and maybe I'm missing it, but what is your theory and why?  

Ilene

 

 

by Cheeky Bastard
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:05
#132004

Ilene, thank a lot for some perspective ... As you can see by my rants i live in seclusion and dont commute much so i have no "other peoples words" to evaluate this situation properly. Thank you a bunch for this.

by ilene
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:07
#132192

Thanks, CB, if you live in seclusion, you should be fine!  :-)  I wish I could better evaluate the situation too.  In trying, it seems to me there's perhaps 10x more misinformation available than factual information.  But it's not easy to tell which is which, and that leads to biases/preconceptions/world views taking over the analysis, rather than actual scientific evidence from trustworthy sources. Accurately identifying which sources are trustworthy adds to the problem.  People seem to seek out sources that support their prior beliefs...

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:30
#132418

a loner? i knew it from the start...:)

by Cheeky Bastard
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:12
#132462

no no ... you dont seem to grasp the meaning of the word "seclusion" ... it does not, in no way, imply loneliness, just, unreachability ....you know ... like HH ...

by ilene
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:46
#132067

here's another one:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXx78_5sm2cIMa8kTQTiEzdnBD-wD9C0P5A80

 

But in Ukraine, all schools and universities were closed for three weeks and all mass gatherings, including campaign rallies heading into the January 17 presidential contest, have been banned.

Since then, Tymoshenko has made daily television addresses to update the nation on the state of infection, while criticizing her political rivals for hindering her efforts to stop it.

Her standing in the polls in the meantime has improved dramatically, bringing her to within 3 percent of the frontrunner, Regions' Party chief Viktor Yanukovich.

In a populist response to Tymoshenko, Yanukovich has pledged to spend his own campaign fund on flu medicine and 20 million surgical masks that he will hand out for free to provincial hospitals.

Yanukovich, whose presidential bid five years ago was backed by Russia's then-President Vladimir Putin, had led her by nearly 15 percent in some polls at the end of October. His victory would in effect overturn the 2004 Orange Revolution in Ukraine, which swept a pro-western government to power on the back of widespread protests.

"There is a saying in Ukraine: the active idiot is better than the lazy philosopher. And it now looks like people will vote for Tymoshenko simply because she is taking action on this flu issue, which has completely dominated public discussion," said political analyst Volodymyr Tsybulko. "No one much cares that Tymoshenko was the one who created the issue she is acting upon."

Tymoshenko spokeswoman declined to comment Monday on allegations her response to the outbreak has been politically motivated, but she has recently insisted that Ukraine is facing a real medical crisis.

Regardless of the politics, health officials say political wrangling over the epidemic is causing public fears that are not justified by its scale. And that has led frightened citizens to buy up and hoard medications badly needed elsewhere.

by MeTarzanUjane
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:41
#132437

That's the way it works. The country goes into lockdown then the government scuttles the currency and it defaults.

The pandemic fear is the secret police.

by bullchit
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:06
#132005

PM, don't know if you noticed Moldova. Next door to Ukraine. Cases up 150% in the last two weeks and their fatality rate shot up.

http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/

Regards. 

by ShankyS
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:12
#132014

Really well done PM. I've been posting the notices since 11/05 and no one seems to get it. I also appreciate your "not so politically correct" stance on the subject. reposted this in my blog.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:26
#132041

Nonsense there is plenty of news about it

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=ukraine+swine+flu&aq=0sx&oq=ukrain+sw&aqi=g-sx5g-msx1

by SDRII
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:33
#132053

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:42
#132070

Silence in MSM?
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1934946,00.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8338835.stm

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:42
#132073

mayhen, theres an interview on the "global research" website. a russian pathologist "viktor Bachinsky" is interviewed. he says antibiotics make it worse. He"s autopsied victims, and has some current insight.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:43
#132077

mayhem theres an interview on the "global research" website. a russian pathologist "viktor Bachinsky" is interviewed. he says antibiotics make it worse. He"s autopsied victims, and has some current insight.

by Howard_Beale
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:55
#132082

Fascinating work PM. I returned from Toronto 9 days ago--I was beginning to feel sick on the drive back and even missed my exit on a drive I have done at least 100 times. At 2am that night I woke up on fire, checked my fever and it was 104. Within hours I was coughing up dark green phlegm. I was swabbed the next day for flu and put on antibiotics for a bacterial respiratory infection. The fevers were rampant for 6 days--all well above 102. The flu swab came back "Type A" and since there has been no seasonal flu yet to report in the States or Canada I assumed it was H1N1 (my daughter had it well over a month ago so I was totally confused as to why now?). I was put on Tamiflu.

Canada has the 3rd largest Ukranian population outside of the Ukraine and Russia and there is plenty of travel back and forth. Since no one can figure out how I got this nightmare, I have been racking what is left of my brain for clues. Your article spurred the first real possibility of what I am living through. We live near downtown Toronto, a melting pot of immigrants and the stores are crowded, and cleanliness is a luxury. I went out a few days before I left to the local market. My brain is still just fresh out of the oven and not cooled off yet so I'm still trying to sort it out. But if it is so, then I might suggest this newer version of the flu has already made it's way to Canada and now to the States. And it's a monster. I don't expect to be out of bed for several more days and am lucky I got treatment immediately. The fact that I didn't get H1N1 from my daughter and no vaccine has left me completely in the Twilight Zone. It immediately attacked my lungs with a sore throat days later from coughing.  A friend of mine is a pharmacist and he says people are now testing Type A more than H1N1 in the last week, suggesting indeed something else is here.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:53
#132088

Speedy recovery.

But this is making me even more paranoid.

by Miles Kendig
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 01:44
#132919

Howard, you and yours remain in my realm of daily remembrance.  Remember, many of the folks dying in the Ukraine are dying from the bodies immune response "eating" their lung tissue causing the patient to drown in their blood rather than in infection.  Regular pneumonia typically has phlegm heavy in infection with a tinge of blood.  With the variety going around the Ukraine the effect in many severely sickened patients is reversed.

Take care dear associate.

by MsCreant
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 01:52
#132922

You are consistently a sweetie.

by Rollerball
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 08:10
#133027

by Orly
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:51
#132086

Whether the flu pandemic is real or not, it is clear that something very serious is happening in the world and the root of it begins in Ukraine.

Let us all pray for my beloved Ukraine!

Olexsandra

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:03
#132106

Epidemics here or there make me irritable.

Modern medicine is too slow. By the time microscopes figure out what it is, we're all dead.

At the height of the plague in Europe, people who woke up perfectly healthy in the morning were dead of plague by evening. Bodies covered with black boils that erupted in only hours. Good thing there was no modern medicine back then, or we would have all died.

Herbal medicine alone is fast enough. Herbs work on a very simple principle: If the disease attacks the lungs, we give herbs (usually as teas) that strengthen the lungs. Modern medicine cannot fight a disease before it knows what it is. By that time we're all dead. Modern medicine is too slow.

Traditional medicine strengthens the body. Stop crying for the God of Big Pharma to save you. Move your butts. Save yourselves.

by duckweed
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:10
#132116

maybe, if I am still around after it sweeps through the US, I can convince others that it is time to sit down, not go to work, stop paying your bills and help your neighbor. together we can bring this machine to it's knee's.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:18
#132125

The European BioWar outbreak, by Dr Rebecca Carley
Monday, 16 November 2009 10:12
A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media.
by Dr Rebecca Carley

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe.

The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009.

We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.

We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.

We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way.

We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za ) carried the following:

"Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew."

"According to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an
attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu."

These aircraft "were carrying 'waste disposal' systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated....nano pipes" in the planes' wings - called chemtrails."

We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the
ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a 'human error' is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology.

We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott's national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him.

We know that over the last three or so years a large number of biological experts, from a number of places all over the world, have died strange deaths and that this has been commented on by various publications in the past.

We know that the sudden appearance of Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) virtually had to have been a release from a biological warfare lab. We know that A/H1N1 has gene sequences from three different types (American, Asian, and African) of Swine Flu, of Bird Flu, of two different types of human seasonal flu, and of Spanish Flu and that
such a recombination is so unlikely in nature as to be virtually impossible. We know that the WHO policies of not requiring a major quarantine of Mexico ensured that A/H1N1 would spread throughout the world.

We know that the current Swine Flu "Vaccine" is almost totally untested, and that the manufactures are protected from lawsuits for even deliberate acts that result in deaths and that nations acquiring the vaccines are required to sign contracts agreeing not to release negative information on the "vaccine" to the public. We know that published additives to the "vaccine" include highly dangerous-to-human-health substances.

We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:26
#132134

Long on hysteria and challenged by math: 299/1300000 = .023% mortality.
We have more deaths from seasonal flu every year...

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:30
#132143

some stuff on the Ukraine flu here:
http://www.izo.com/2009/11/firm-baxter-international-responsible-for-bird-flu-outbreak-in-ukraine-infowars.html

by Tax Man
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:31
#132146

The real story: 4 out of 5 ZH readers fooled by Ukrainian politician.

by heatbarrier
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:38
#132155

Which one, you think?

by Tax Man
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:03
#132198

Tymoshenko, but Y plays the same tune so I should have written "politicians".

by heatbarrier
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:45
#132273

Even the timing looks wrong. I see the hand of Russia in this and given the perilous economic situation, it's even a worse scenario. Now we have at least two ticking bombs in Eastern Europe.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iXx78_5sm2cIMa8kTQTiEz...

The charismatic Tymoshenko announced the arrival of a swine flu epidemic on Oct. 30, when there was only a single confirmed case in Ukraine, and she immediately announced the government would impose some of the strictest measures against the virus in Europe.

The health ministry has registered around 1.4 million cases of flu and respiratory illness since the start of the outbreak; the World Health Organization suspects most are swine flu, an infection rate it says is in line with neighboring countries like Russia and Poland.

by heatbarrier
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 08:40
#132423

Ironically, all this has left the Kremlin's candidate for the Ukrainian presidency in 2004 – Viktor Yanukovych – with a strong lead in the polls, making him the candidate to beat. The Kremlin is not publicly backing anyone this time round though after it was left red-faced five years ago when Mr Yanukovych's supporters were found guilty of vote rigging and his "victory" annulled.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/6574241/Ukraine...

In an October survey by the Razumkov Center in Kiev, Mr. Yanukovych lead with 29% support for the Jan. 17 vote. President Viktor Yushchenko trails in low single digits, while his rival and former Orange Revolution ally, Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, is polling in second place at 20%. No candidate is expected to gain the 50% needed to triumph in the first round, and Ms. Tymoshenko and Mr. Yanukovych are expected to proceed to a February runoff.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125841556794951329.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

by Bear
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:43
#132442

Who me? It can be passed from human to Bear.

by AN0NYM0US
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:00
#132193

PM this is a great resource from the front lines

The global electronic reporting system for outbreaks of emerging infectious diseases & toxins, open to all sources. ProMED-mail, the Program for Monitoring Emerging Diseases, is a program of the International Society for Infectious Diseases.

http://www.promedmail.org

 

 

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:00
#132194

I suspect there will be disinformation, to suppress, to amplify, to discredit, and to authenticate. it isn't just the virus that is sophisticated. panic will make the sheeple much easier to manipulate. like lambs to slaughter

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 00:50
#134175

Until it's directed at you ;)

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 02:03
#134216

Until it's directed at you ;)

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:07
#132201

From my mail (and WATCH THIS VIDEO:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk

The European BioWar outbreak, by Dr Rebecca Carley

Monday, 16 November 2009 10:12

A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media.

by Dr Rebecca Carley

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe.

The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009.

We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.

We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.

We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way.

We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za ) carried the following:

"Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew."

"According to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an
attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu."

These aircraft "were carrying 'waste disposal' systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated....nano pipes" in the planes' wings - called chemtrails."

We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the
ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a 'human error' is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology.

We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott's national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him.

We know that over the last three or so years a large number of biological experts, from a number of places all over the world, have died strange deaths and that this has been commented on by various publications in the past.

We know that the sudden appearance of Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) virtually had to have been a release from a biological warfare lab. We know that A/H1N1 has gene sequences from three different types (American, Asian, and African) of Swine Flu, of Bird Flu, of two different types of human seasonal flu, and of Spanish Flu and that
such a recombination is so unlikely in nature as to be virtually impossible. We know that the WHO policies of not requiring a major quarantine of Mexico ensured that A/H1N1 would spread throughout the world.

We know that the current Swine Flu "Vaccine" is almost totally untested, and that the manufactures are protected from lawsuits for even deliberate acts that result in deaths and that nations acquiring the vaccines are required to sign contracts agreeing not to release negative information on the "vaccine" to the public. We know that published additives to the "vaccine" include highly dangerous-to-human-health substances.

We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

Also found at http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/378759.html is the
following:

// 13.11.2009 // 14:24 //
Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying! (updated at 06:25 pm)
MIGnews.com.ua

All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza
A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.

For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus.

Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime.

06:19 p.m. Ministry of Health does not consider it is necessary to publish data on the number of confirmed cases of influenza pandemic in the laboratory. "Ukraine is in the A/N1N1 influenza pandemic, and now it does not matter how many of these cases will be detected, we should treat everybody equally," - said Deputy Minister of Health Vasyl Lazoryshynets at a briefing on Friday.

Vasyl Lazoryshynets also reminded that in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic 1,25 mn people became ill with pandemic influenza, influenza and acute respiratory diseases, including 61,000 people - over the past day, which is by 8,500 less than the previous day. 65,615 people are treated in hospital, including 392 - in the reanimation, 60 have artificial pulmonary ventilation.

Since the beginning of the epidemic in Ukraine 239 people died, including 26 people during the last day, most of them are in the Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Ternopil Regions. He also said that according to the laboratory data, 14 people died of pandemic influenza, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

06:25 p.m. To date, swine flu in Ukraine is dominant, but not the only strain, said the head of mission of the World Health Organization in Ukraine Yukka Pukkila.

Yukka Pukkila said that the strain of pandemic virus is detected in 22 cases of 34 samples sent to the control laboratory, which collaborates with WHO in London.

At the same time, Yukka Pukkila stressed that, besides Californian flu in Ukraine there is a large number of varieties of acute respiratory viral diseases and many other viruses that infect the respiratory system, reports Liga.

The genocide is now on being fast tracked, as promised by the murderous cabal controlling the world:

see http://tcrnews2.com/Agenda21.html.

Thank to listeners Verne & Kenneth for this important info...
http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/commercialFree.html
(scroll down to 11/14/09 show). VERY IMPORTANT...especially for anyone
you know who still beLIEves that vaccines promote health.

Thank you to Sheldon for these archives...

Dr C

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:09
#132205

WATCH THIS VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OYVws9uJbk
and read what was in my inbox today:
The European BioWar outbreak, by Dr Rebecca Carley

Monday, 16 November 2009 10:12

A Tale of Two Stories: The European BioWar outbreak and the censoring of it by the mainstream news media.

by Dr Rebecca Carley

The biggest story on the Planet today is the outbreak of a very serious Advanced Biological War virus in Europe.

The second biggest story on the Planet is the suppression of this story for almost two weeks by the corporate owned mainstream news media.

There is a lot we know and a lot that we can only speculate on about what is unfolding in Central Europe. We know that in mid-October, less than a month ago, there was a growing number of cases of what many thought was Swine Flu (A/H1N1) in the western part of the Ukraine. We know that many hundreds if not thousands of people in western Ukraine witnessed low flying light airplanes aerosol spraying something over Ukrainian cities during the days of October 29, 2009 and October 31, 2009.

We know that beginning the night of October 29th, massive numbers of people begin to get very sick. We know that the Ukraine government issued a statement denying that it was doing any aerial spraying to combat the growing disease or authorizing any spraying over Ukrainian cities. We know that by October 30th, the Ukrainian authorities closed all schools for three weeks and banded public gatherings.

We do NOT know what disease the people were/are coming down with. We do know that doctors are describing the disease as Pneumonic Plague, or as some type of hemorrhagic fever, or as hemorrhagic influenza, or as hemorrhagic pneumonia. We know that the illness, whatever it is, does not appear to be A/H1N1. We do not know if the disease is a recombination of A/H1N1 with other viruses or some totally different virus or if it is in fact a virus. We know that the World Health Organization (WHO) has had several days to sequence the genes of the disease but has failed to release this data.

We know that WHO has NOT called for the quarantining of the Ukraine or the shutdown of all global travel to/from the area of infection and that this is the same thing that they did when Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) first broke out and that the failure to contain that virus early on ensured its spread throughout the world.

We know that the internal temperature of the lungs of those with a terminal case of what many are calling 'Ukrainian Plague' is often from 130F to 135F. We do know that autopsies show that the lungs are filled with blood, and are black in color, and that the lung tissue has turned to mush. We know that patients who first show any signs of illness usually crash in less than 48 hours, sometimes the same day.

We know that the disease was spreading by about 200,000 per day but that this has slowed to about 100,000 day now, in the Ukraine, as people take extraordinary steps to contain the spread of the disease. We know that well over one and a third million people in the Ukraine are very ill with the disease (according to published official sources) and that over 60,000 are hospitalized in serious to critical condition. We know that the disease has a very high transmission rate with a likely low amount of viral (if it is in fact a virus) material needed to cause an infection. We know that the official reports of deaths are under 300 in the Ukraine. We also know that it is normal for hospital admissions of people with ARI (acute respiratory infection) to have a fatality rate of from 5% to 10%. We know that non-official sources were reporting over 3,000 deaths several days ago and that this number is more in tune with the 5-10% fatality rate than the official figures.

We do not know what effective treatments are for this illness. We do know that young adults seem to be more in danger of this illness. We suspect that 'cytokine storming' similar to that in the 1918 Spanish Flu, that killed approximately 50 million people, is taking place.

We know from official Ukrainian Health Ministry reports that the illness does not test out as Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1). We do not know if the existing Swine Flu vaccine has any effect, but based on the non-positive response to Swine Flu in testing, we suspect that the vaccine is ineffective as the viral protean shell is different than A/H1N1 (if in fact it is a virus that causes the illness).

We know that the illness has spread to Poland, where over one quarter of a million people are now very ill. We know that it has spread to Belarus and to Hungary and elsewhere in central Europe. We know that 900,000 people are said to have Swine Flu in Norway but we do not know if this is related to Ukraine Plague in any way.

We know that on November 8th a South African site (fto.co.za ) carried the following:

"Suspicious aircraft were forced to land. A US operated (Russian-made long-range heavy transport) AN-124 changed its call sign from civilian to military which then triggered a response from the IAF (Indian Air Force) upon entering Pakistani air space (forcing) the plane to land in Mumbai while (a) second one was forced down by Nigerian fighter jets that also arrested the crew."

"According to reports, China's People's Liberation Army Air Force contacted the Indian and Nigerian intelligence officials about the presence of these US operated Ukrainian aircraft amidst growing concern that the United States was spreading 'biological agents' in the Earth's atmosphere, which some Chinese officials believed to be an
attempt to (commit) mass genocide via the spread of H1N1 swine flu."

These aircraft "were carrying 'waste disposal' systems that could spray up to 45,000kg (nearly 100,000 pounds) of aerial type mist from sophisticated....nano pipes" in the planes' wings - called chemtrails."

We know that Baxter International Pharmaceuticals sent 72 kilos of human influenza H3N2 vaccine materials to 16 labs in European nations which contained live H5N1 Bird Flu viruses. We know that this was only discovered when a Czech lab tested the material on several ferrets (ferrets have a similar respiratory system to humans) and all of the
ferrets died in short order. We know that Baxter claimed that this was human error. We also know that such a 'human error' is basically impossible with the containment protocols in place at Baxter and any other modern biolabs using Biosafety Level 3 (BLS-3) lab technology.

We know that in mid-August a Joseph Moshe, who is a Mossad biological warfare expert, called in to Dr. A. True Ott's national radio talk show and reported that Baxter was getting ready to release a deadly plague from its Ukrainian lab and that he was shortly meeting with US Attorneys in Los Angles to give evidence about this. We know that shortly thereafter Moshe was apprehended by Federal agents and LA police and taken to the Israeli Consulate. We know that he was quickly flown to Israel and that no further word has come from him.

We know that over the last three or so years a large number of biological experts, from a number of places all over the world, have died strange deaths and that this has been commented on by various publications in the past.

We know that the sudden appearance of Mexican Swine Flu (A/H1N1) virtually had to have been a release from a biological warfare lab. We know that A/H1N1 has gene sequences from three different types (American, Asian, and African) of Swine Flu, of Bird Flu, of two different types of human seasonal flu, and of Spanish Flu and that
such a recombination is so unlikely in nature as to be virtually impossible. We know that the WHO policies of not requiring a major quarantine of Mexico ensured that A/H1N1 would spread throughout the world.

We know that the current Swine Flu "Vaccine" is almost totally untested, and that the manufactures are protected from lawsuits for even deliberate acts that result in deaths and that nations acquiring the vaccines are required to sign contracts agreeing not to release negative information on the "vaccine" to the public. We know that published additives to the "vaccine" include highly dangerous-to-human-health substances.

We know that the corporate owned mainstream news media (with strong links to global banking families) have censored this story in a way that has never happen before. We know that the outbreak of a unknown but deadly and very rapidly spreading disease in Europe is the largest story on Earth but that it is NOT being reported on.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/

Also found at http://mignews.com.ua/en/articles/378759.html is the
following:

// 13.11.2009 // 14:24 //
Doctors learned why Ukrainians dying! (updated at 06:25 pm)
MIGnews.com.ua

All victims of the virus in Bukovyna (22 people at the age of 20-40) died not from bilateral pneumonia, as was previously thought, but as a result of viral distress syndrome, i.e the total destruction of the lungs.

At first the cardio-pulmonary insufficiency comes, and consequently cardiogenic shock is developed, which causes cardiac standstill and death, told the chief of bureau of the Chernivtsi regional forensic examination, doctor of science, Professor Viktor Bachynsky, UNIAN reports.

"During a bilateral pneumonia some morphological picture is observed. As of data of deaths, there is no such morphological picture. The virus, which causes death, is very aggressive, it does not strike the trachea, but immediately gets into the lungs and causes heavy swelling and solid hemorrhage. Mixed types of parainfluenza and influenza
A/N1N1 lead to this state. This is a very toxic strain, which has not yet answered to the treatment of the Ministry of Health", - said Viktor Bachinsky.

According to him, there is a need to change the treatment standards, because those which were used earlier, resulted in nothing – doctors failed to save all people infected with the virus in the reanimation. The belt ventilators did not help also.

For this reason a group of professors of Chernivtsi Medical University appealed to the Ministry of Health and National Security and Defense Council with a demand to review the standards of treatment of patients in Bukovyna. Scientists-morphologists sent to Kyiv reports, studies and analysis of critically ill patients and people who died of virus.

Viktor Bachinsky noted that the virus is extremely toxic, it is able to penetrate not only through respiratory apparatus but also through the eyes. Chernovtsy scientists recommend in any case use masks and even wear protective spectacles. An important condition to prevent deterioration of the situation is also the observance of quarantine regime.

06:19 p.m. Ministry of Health does not consider it is necessary to publish data on the number of confirmed cases of influenza pandemic in the laboratory. "Ukraine is in the A/N1N1 influenza pandemic, and now it does not matter how many of these cases will be detected, we should treat everybody equally," - said Deputy Minister of Health Vasyl Lazoryshynets at a briefing on Friday.

Vasyl Lazoryshynets also reminded that in Ukraine since the beginning of the epidemic 1,25 mn people became ill with pandemic influenza, influenza and acute respiratory diseases, including 61,000 people - over the past day, which is by 8,500 less than the previous day. 65,615 people are treated in hospital, including 392 - in the reanimation, 60 have artificial pulmonary ventilation.

Since the beginning of the epidemic in Ukraine 239 people died, including 26 people during the last day, most of them are in the Ivano-Frankivsk, Chernivtsi, Lviv and Ternopil Regions. He also said that according to the laboratory data, 14 people died of pandemic influenza, Interfax-Ukraine reports.

06:25 p.m. To date, swine flu in Ukraine is dominant, but not the only strain, said the head of mission of the World Health Organization in Ukraine Yukka Pukkila.

Yukka Pukkila said that the strain of pandemic virus is detected in 22 cases of 34 samples sent to the control laboratory, which collaborates with WHO in London.

At the same time, Yukka Pukkila stressed that, besides Californian flu in Ukraine there is a large number of varieties of acute respiratory viral diseases and many other viruses that infect the respiratory system, reports Liga.

The genocide is now on being fast tracked, as promised by the murderous cabal controlling the world:

see http://tcrnews2.com/Agenda21.html.

Thank to listeners Verne & Kenneth for this important info...
http://thelightofdayradioshow.com/archives/RBN-BACKUP/commercialFree.html
(scroll down to 11/14/09 show). VERY IMPORTANT...especially for anyone
you know who still beLIEves that vaccines promote health.

Thank you to Sheldon for these archives...

Dr C

by Harbourcity
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:30
#132248

There are some good links in the comment section of this item.  Specifically, the pathologist who states that the big problem is Ukraine's tendency to sell antibotics without a prescription (uncommon in the rest of the work) which is adding to their increase in deaths.

People are so willing to believe in conspiracy's - if it's reported, it's exaggerated, if it's not reported, it's been kept quiet.  Sigh.

 

by MinnesotaNice
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 20:38
#132618

Harbourcity... that is a great point... Mexico also sells antibiotics without a prescription and they also had high death rates... and both the Ukraine and Mexico have a very unhealthy populations with poor health care delivery systems... so I wonder if those common denominators might be more of an issue than conspiracy theories.

by Miles Kendig
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 01:48
#132920

MnNice, being me I have to consider that many of these patients may have a diet that is low in Vitamin D.  The ramp up may be associated with processes we have discussed previously.

by MinnesotaNice
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 09:19
#133072

Yep... didn't think of that Miles... BTW I have been taking my Vitamin D supplements  :-)

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:57
#132295

Sorry Mayhem, your facts are all wrong!

This is all BS regarding the flu here in the Ukraine it is just scare tactics by the government ahead of the upcoming elections.

I've been in the Ukraine for a week now; Kiev, Dnepropetrovsk, and Zaporozhye. No problems at all, few people are wearing masks and all the people I talk to are not concerned they realize its the government trying to scare people from going out.

More people died in the Ukraine last year from the flu than this year:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

Also see the comments above from the Anon #131963 who actually lives in the Ukraine. I agree there might also be a financial motive for Ukraine to blow this out of proportion.

by AN0NYM0US
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:21
#132331

link to English translation of Ukraine Government Health site

 

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&u=http://www.moz.gov...

by AnonymousMonetarist
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:21
#132332

(666 years ago , according to the narrative of Gabriele de’ Mussi the medieval Black Death apparently got its start at the Black Sea Port of Kaffa, a Crimean trading post.. an area now located in modern day Ukraine. -AM)

Sunday November 15,2009
By Greg Miskiw
www.express.co.uk

A doctor in Western Ukraine who did not want to be named, said:” We have carried out post mortems on two victims and found their lungs are as black as charcoal.

“They look like they have been burned. It’s terrifying."

by EQ
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:05
#132391

This is another dubious post from ZH.  The site was much better when it was just Tyler Durden(s) and you were focused on topics you well understood.  This is nothing more than mania driven by a factless article that never should have been posted.  It's author may turn out to be onto something but given he surely isn't a flu researcher or even a medical scientist, it's more than likely just paparazzi fueling the idiocy of the mob.  And that is really who posts comments on here anymore.  Clowns.

 

It's time you get back to fundamentals and what you were good at.  You are diluting your legitimacy.  For what reasons I don't know.  Ad profits from the site?

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:17
#132404

Totally agree.

I'm currently in the Ukraine, been here for a week. There is NO flu pandemic. Everywhere I've traveled and all the people I've talked to say its all propaganda by the gov't ahead of the elections here.

by Orly
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:53
#132504

Okay, fellas.  That's all well and good and all...

but: don't you wonder why?

Why would the Ukrainian government go out of its way to make a scare?  Is it to assure Tymoshenko or Yanukovych a victory?  In what way?  You have surmised that the people have already seen through this and are not buying the hype, so their votes will not be bothered at all.  Are they not showing this news in Poltava and so Yanukovych will win by default, as only the Ukrainians in the east will vote?

Are they trying to simply kill the western-leaning intellectuals in L'viv?  Do they still even trust Yulia?

Is it so that foreign countries will get upset and begin to fund Ukraine in her time of economic need?  How so?  There is practically a news black-out in the global mainstream media.  How can you feel sorry for a country without graphic photos?

And why would doctors and pathologists go on (and off..) the record to describe the disease if there were no disease?  Why would doctors "create" a disease from a simple case of the flu?

My point is that no matter where you turn in this matter, there are vast and irreconcilable inconsistencies but each branch of questions make you wonder why there are so many questions.

Why are we wondering why?  Why don't we know?  It is not like Kyiv is some Rhodesian backwater without running water (well, maybe not hot water so much...).  Someone there must know something, yet all we are hearing is gibberish.  Why is that?

My main argument would come down to a massive, government-influenced disinformation campaign, if only to see the reactions of the people to information- or lack of it- rather than to the sickness itself.

Which, ironically, is the very face of sickness itself.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:50
#132557

I don't have time to get into this issue in depth as its very complicated.

But, to summarize the flu propaganda is a way for Yushchenko to hold onto power longer as his term is to expire in January.

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

http://ukrainetoday.blogspot.com/2009/11/yushchenko-proposes-to-extend-his-term.html

There is NO flu pandemic here in Ukraine its all politics.

by mikeyv1970
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 09:25
#133085

Respond with a NIC as virtually all who claim this is political fail to step up.

by MsCreant
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 09:28
#133087

Thank you for that observation. Certainly influences my opinion.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 14:55
#133488

Mikey,

I'm living in the Ukraine, so believe me there is NO flu pandemic. More people died last year than this year. PM is completely clueless about this, its all politics:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

by Harbourcity
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:23
#132411

Please keep in mind that the top section of "news" items on ZH are from users (contributor posts) and not from ZH staff.  It's like having a editorial section on a mainstream outlet.

by NRGTDR
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:28
#132415

IMO: ZH welcomes out of the box thinking as do I. People here are always looking for a non-herd/MSM edge with the ultimate goal of seeking truth. At least there is an original thought or idea here daily. Fundamentals? It's pretty obvious fundamentally where the world is and will be soon. If anything, reading ZH over the last months should have helped you on that immensely and quite frankly, we are past the point of no return, as is the nature of the fiat system. So.......may you profit from an idea or bit of information you find here but most importantly prepare wisely. 

by EQ
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 20:47
#132628

Don't be an idiot. Out of the box thinking? Johnny Cochran was good at out of the box thinking. Making shit up is what it was called in the courtroom. I can pull just about any out of the box thinking out of my arse that my vivid imagination can imagine. And, that is what this post is. Out of the box thinking that is supported by scientific fact, incontrovertible evidence or, worst case, some god forsaken amount of legitimacy would be quite appropriate. Eh? This is mob-fanning stupidity.

by Gordon_Gekko
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 23:01
#132802

What are you doing here government minion?

by EQ
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 11:56
#133288

Keeping the monkeys like you from running the zoo. 

by Harbourcity
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:20
#132409

http://blogs.healthfreedomalliance.org/blog/2009/11/05/ibm-internal-document-outlines-knowledge-of-planned-pandemic-with-100-certainty/

by EQ
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:11
#132660

Another clown post.  If this is legitimate, it is a business impact analysis.  Running these types of scenarios to plan for business continuity is a regular practice for mature organizations.  Running a scenario where one considers a 100% chance of a pandemic means what?  That IBM was planning for potential disasters.  This shows nothing of conspiracy.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:33
#132419

hey maheim. come on now man. seriously. what is wrong with killing several more million white people in the ukraine? heck, its not like they have never done it before...

by jbt6561
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:34
#132421

anyone want to run a linear regression model on the correlation between the daily returns on the s&p and the cases of h1n1 in Kiev?

by Bruce Krasting
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:44
#132443

Population of the Ukraine = 46mm. So 1.4mm sick is = 3% of the population. Not a pandemic. Pandemic would be when we get to 20%.

US cases now at 22m over the last 6 months. That is 6%. A much larger number.

The business in the Ukraine is about politics, not the numbers.

by Bear
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:00
#132450

Just shorted CCL ... feel free to join me.

by MsCreant
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:04
#132452

Folks, either outcome, the government suppressing or the government making it up, the case of Ukrane is worth our consideration.

We need to find out the truth.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:44
#132495

Oh yes, indeed.

I vote the you should be our supreme leader.

The President of Naïveté.

(Polls close at midnight, you are running unopposed).

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:44
#132496

I'll tell you the truth MsCreant.

PM's post is pure bullsh!t. How do I know?

I'm living in the Ukraine right now and currently there is absolutely no threat of a deadly flu spreading across Ukraine wiping out Eastern Europe.

PM is just reporting the lies that the gov't here is telling its people to scare them.

Its all politics with the elections coming up in January and a way to get financial aid.

by MinnesotaNice
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 20:42
#132621

Thanks for contributing anon... it is nice to have feet on the ground... to see what is actually going on...

by Gordon_Gekko
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 06:23
#132987

How do we know you are, in fact, a Ukraine resident and not a misinformation spreading government minion?

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:10
#133508

I'm a US citizen, currently living in Zaporozhye.

Email me at percolator469 (at) yahoo (dot) com, I'll put you in contact with some of my friends and business associates here and they'll be happy to tell you the truth.

Or better get yourself on a plane and come here and see first hand, something PM should have done before spreading these lies.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:28
#132534

I thought they revoked Rebecca Carley's license back in 2003?

by MinnesotaNice
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 20:46
#132627

I think she lives in New York state... and is not listed as having a license to practice as a physician.  Bio information includes: 

Dr. Carley no longer “practices medicine”, but instead teaches clients nationally and internationally how to reverse their diseases using the Hippocrates protocol she developed. She also goes into the hospital as a patient advocate for clients who are not satisfied with the care their loved ones are receiving.

by Anonymous
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:39
#132544

I haved lived in Kiev all life. At fist there was much panic and misunderstand. But now all is well. The flu is not reall. It is just a hoax of political reason. No worries:) We all are laughing at press!

Actually, I live in America; never been to the Ukraine; but that doesn't stop me from getting on blogs and posting whatever bullshit I want. Don't believe everything you read, one way or the other, but keep reading nonetheless.

by MsCreant
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:16
#132667

It can be the economy collapsing or not, gold going up or down, dollar, flu, any of it. We all have to sort through bullshit and make up our minds. Even if PM is being duped, it is still a starting place in a conversation that needs to happen.  If he is a dupe, he is a victim of professional liars, like all of us have been. If he is correct, take on supplies, pick up our anchors, and let's get out of Port fast.

And the truth may be in the middle, there is an outbreak, it could get bad but it is not bad now, and their press is amping it up for effect.

I'm glad PM brought it to our attention, even if he ends up wrong.  It does not have to be all or nothing. Truth is much weirder than on or off.

by Howard_Beale
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:38
#132687

MsCreant,

Please read my post above. I am a little better now AND a bit pissed when people do not believe this is a serious bug with life threatening implications. I am 51 and very sick. My 10 year old daughter had to be hospitalized with swine. My 6'2" very strong 27 year son on the west coast was crying after 9 days and still not feeling better a few weeks ago. He has recovered. None of us are dead. I am perhaps at the highest risk due to other medical complications--but for the flu to be at the levels it is at now on November 16th is significant. My sister is a scientist at UM medical school and kids are dropping like flies. This is not your normal flu season. It will stop commerce.

When I went to the hospital for my swabbing they told me to stop nowhere and get home. I guess the 103 temp at the time tipped em off. But it's this simple--whether this is cyclical pandemic or some other ilk, my family has been hit hard. I am so tired of people saying it is over-hyped. I was in Toronto and left the house once in 3 weeks (I have a serious leg injury) and two days later I was toast. I have had the flu many times in my life but nothing comes close to this and all of you that haven't had this one should be grateful.

by MsCreant
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 22:30
#132740

I remember when you took off with a medical issue and I said bye and good luck and no pity (you didn't want it), just get back to us.

Two kids in my son's school system died of swine. They both had other infections. My 14 year old son had something that relapsed (I could not sleep through a night, it was like having to wake up every two hours with a new baby again). It got bad when we did not have him on Acetaminophen. My husband (couple years older than you, body builder/vitamin poppin' never gets sick fitness type) was slammed with something that wracked his body with pain and fever and painful cough. He had NEVER been that sick before. He would not go to the doc, but we got through it.  I was prepped out to the gills because of my tinhat sites. Still am. At work I sat 6 feet from the table for committee meetings as per policy when you have sick family. I have missed some work because of sick family members. Me, the one who catches everything, nursed everyone, I did NOT get sick. Go figure.

I believe you. I think there is something different happening. I understand your anger. I also understand the anger of someone who might really be in the Ukraine, seeing nothing and reading all this disinformation. I actually believe both, though the Anon in the Ukraine would be easy to spoof. Howard Beale, not so much.

No dis, Howard, just keeping an open mind.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:18
#133522

You don't believe me?

Email me at percolator469 at yahoo dot com and I'll put you in contact with my friends and business associates who will tell you the truth about what is happening here.

Or better yet, get on a plane and come over and see for yourself which is what PM should have done before reporting spreading these lies.

by heatbarrier
on Mon, 11/16/2009 - 21:28
#132676

Real or manufactured, it makes a Black Swan event from Eastern Europe more likely.

Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Ukraine’s economy contracted 15.9 percent last quarter, extending the former Soviet state’s decline, as political wrangling stalled the payment of bailout funds needed to keep the country afloat.

“Although the rate of decline of GDP is slowing, non- performing loans continue to grow,” Moody’s Investors Service said on Oct. 14. “Susceptibility to event risk that would lead to a multi-notch downgrade is assessed as high.” Moody’s rates Ukraine B2, while Fitch ranks the sovereign’s debt B-. Standard & Poor’s rates Ukraine CCC+. The three services’ ratings range between five and seven notches below investment grade.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a5t8mso.EYlU

by JacksWastedLife
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 00:27
#132880

*THE VIRUS MAY BE GENETIC ENGINEERED*
Sure! In KGB lab in Moscow and financed with Gazprom's bloody money!

by delacroix
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 00:33
#132884

I got this bug a few months ago, and I was the sickest I've ever been. I thought I had gotten through the worst of it, but I just kept getting weaker. finally my daughter took me to the hospital.what ended up bringing me back was forcing myself to eat cup-o-noodles and gatorade. all the hospital did was give me potassium. it was another few weeks before I could go back to work. I was scared, when you're that sick, you wonder if it might kill you. I've seen the planes doing aerial spraying above my area in so. cal I don't know what it is, and they're not telling. also the h1n1 swine flu virus is composed of segments of various other strains, that most assuredly do not occur naturally.

by gatopeich
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 05:14
#132970

Really got that? Then I am glad you got through.

May I ask where do you live?

Any first person testimony from Ukraine?

Girlfriend works with kids, so she falls in almost every single new epidemic. I am concerned about a 'big one' coming.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 02:09
#132930

flu scare in Ukraine translates easily into 1) $ of foreign aid, 2) control by UN, WHO and NATO 3) prompt Russian response. In that order. Film at eleven.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 03:54
#132956

You better be fucking with me.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 05:52
#132978

Nice catch Zero Hedge, I see your eyes are open to the potential biotech stock play. The question is, shall you divest or invest in the mark of the beast? ...or shall you stand fast and bare witness, having not accepted the mark of the beast? ...for it represents the prophetic name and number code of a man ...the offer of dominion ...as the host stands entombed and unable to rise in possession. Shall you receive the grievous sore? ...or salvation in the name of God in Christ?

It's time to be chosen by the Truth, there is no choice, revelation is at the door and judgment is now upon the event horizon. Do not fall into the pit my friends, the dark pool of the shadow bank offers no rate of return for persons invested in the wages of sin. Repent, divest, fear not, go with God in Christ, stand fast and do no harm.

by Gordon_Gekko
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 06:02
#132981

EXCELLENT job PM. The fact that governments are involved in such a criminal enterprise is not surprising at all.

by Sigma O
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 06:15
#132984

It's a highly serious situation in Ukraine right now, see the proof here.

by MsCreant
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 09:32
#133009

Edit: Had a joke here, decided I no longer wanted to contribute to minimizing the Ukraine story.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 08:38
#133052

Nice prostitutes. Told ya. Promiscuous lifestyles spread numerous viruses.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 08:58
#133065

Well...Praise God!....For He always keeps His promises! He has said ..."I will call for a sword upon ALL the inhabitants"...and "If my people will humble themselves and pray and seek My Face...turn from their evil ways...." I am so at Peace because as Paul said.."For me to live is Christ...to die is GAIN!!!

by Rusty Shorts
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 19:21
#138873

...we all will GAIN when you die.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 09:41
#133100

OK, for the most part of the article by Mr. Mayhem, it was a well written collection of data.

Of course, anyone who cites Lew Rockwell as a valid data source, immediately becomes suspect....

However, generally speaking, most of the DATA and events he presents is correct.

I disagree with his analysis though, and his data charts are constructed to make the story look worse than it really is...

Ukraine is Mexico redux.

Just as in Mexico, a lot of deaths and infections out of the gate, and then a big fizzle.... A lot of panic and reports of doctors dead, and reports of long lines in hospitals, and then a big fizzle....

Let's look at the data and see if we can find a different interpretation.
1. A million infections. One of the reasons that since the beginning I have consistently maintained a CFR of only .006 to .0006% death rate from this bug, is because in America, we vastly, vastly, vastly underreported the mild cases. Yet we know from stories all from the beginning that the bug was wildly contagious, because of he reports from schools that high numbers of absenteeism occurred. In the case of the Ukraine, instead of this being a different bug, I submit that they are counting anyone who reports an ILI, unlike in the US where from the beginning, they only reported those who went to a doctor (say 5% of cases) those who got a test (say 5% of those) and those who tested positive (say 20% of those). Huge differences of methodology explains the "rapid" number of infections.

2. 75,000 hospitalized. This number is concerning, because Mr Mayhem is correct that based upon US and ROW experience, 7 - 10% of those hospitalized die from influenza. I've checked various primary Ukrainian sources and have been assured that in the Ukraine, culturally, getting admitted to a hospital for an ingrown toenail is not inconceivable. So while I admit that applying a 10% fatality rate to 75,000 WILL give us an incredibly high CFR for the Ukraine, I wait to see if in reality we do get as many deaths as that. The next two weeks will tell.

3. 300 dead. This figure is not out of line given the lack of tamiflu, presence of co-factors such as poverty, and a general lack of extreme medical care, money no object, based in the US.

As additional analysis: If Mr Mayhem's analysis is correct, and this has high infectivity and high "true seriousness" and high deaths, we would have seen by now a collapse in medical care as primary doctors and nurses would see their colleagues keel over and up to 40% (based upon previous multiple surveys of health care professionals) would have been calling in sick. We have not seen this behaviour.

His "infection" plots: Hell, if I graphed the number of time I have taken a shit over my life, you would also see a continuing upward trend of the graph. He damages his assertions by using such a sophomoric plotting ploy. The only real good data analysis is to view a chart showing new infections, new admissions, and new deaths by day, week, or month. In that case, we can already see declines in the rate of change. Or in the case of my bowel movements, we will see a remarkably flat pattern over time, with spikes that correlate well with overbinging on alcohol, food poisoning episodes, and periods of sickness.

The rest of his stuff is tin foil rants that we have seen and debunked before.

1. Genetically engineered virus. Puhlease. Mother nature is quite capable of creating her own doomsday virus herself, thank you very much. Nothing new here in his arguments.

2.WHO is a criminal organization backed by globalists wanting to reduce world population. Puhlease.. How about WHO is a politically connected bureaucracy who's money and mission is abused by graft and incompetence and political infighting. And it suffers from the same problems as the CDC, namely trying to massage the story in the name of "not panicking" the people.

3. Silence in the MSM. Got me there. But I submit the silence is due to the very real control of stories that are "sensational" due to # 2 above.

4. Spraying of flu - Pretty stupid way of spreading a virus. How about just misting in a public subway? Flu is rapidly inactivated by sunlight. We're talking minutes here.

5. Baxter is trying to kill us for fun and profit. It was either a lab accident (most probable) or my favorite tin theory that a muslim lab worker did it on purpose as a terrorist act. Much more plausible and would also be denied by the powers that be.

6. Joseph Moshe - Now this is the best of the best tin in the last 20 years, and I am just as intrigued as the poster, Mr. Mayhem. Hey, we all here went round and round about the 132 Billion bearer bond stories, happened two times in fact, and only the tin foil explanation that it was true made any sense. With the data we have, in this case of Joseph Moshe, the tin foil explanation makes sense too, and why, of all the other stuff has a logical explanation, this story has no logical explanation and I am open to the tin foil one.

7. Secret cabal of one worlders and gasp! Kissinger. Sorry, favorite boogieman de jure.

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:34
#133546

agreed on the moshe story...that's some crazy tin, almost too crazy to be tin.

looks the good doctor has a court date on 01/25/2010.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&fo...

let's see if he shows up.

(and my friends wonder why i don't go to the cinema anymore.  no screenwriter alive could dream up a SWAT team firing canisters of teargas into a clown car and have absolutely no effect on the driver.) 

by KeyserSöze
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 10:11
#133134

Now THAT is "DUE PROCESS" .... Marla?

 

 

 

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 10:24
#133149

In order to understand the flu epidemic in Ukraine, you must first understand the country better than you do. The high percentage of hospitalization DOES NOT mean that the flu in Ukraine is more severe than elsewhere. It is a reflection of public policy. Everyone who identified as infected by the flu virus, MUST go to the hospital to obtain Tamiflu. You cannot get a prescription from a private doctor, nor can you fill it in any druggist. The only people allowed to deal in Tamiflu are the hospitals.

You are also counted as being "hospitalized" as soon as you step foot in any hospital, even if you go home everyday. Unlike in the USA and Europe, you need not be in a hospital bed, to be "in the hospital" as far as Ukraine's statistics are concerned. Everyone who is not in the hospital does NOT have a confirmed case of flu and IS NOT being treated by Tamiflu. They are probably treating themselves with hot tea and honey, and that's it. They may or may not have the technical flu. Many may simply have a bad cold. We cannot really know, as I said, because people with confirmed flu MUST go the hospital, and, once they are there, even if they leave an hour later, they are considered "in the hospital" until the hospital-doctor's (who is the only source of Tamiflu) treatment course.

I do not wish to make light of the situation. We do have a lot of flu floating about, and it is a very serious public health problem. However, it is not as dire or diabolical as you seem to think.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 10:59
#133200

In order to understand the flu epidemic in Ukraine, you must first understand the country better than you do. The high percentage of hospitalization DOES NOT mean that the flu in Ukraine is more severe than elsewhere. It is a reflection of public policy. Everyone who identified as infected by the flu virus, MUST go to the hospital to obtain Tamiflu. You cannot get a prescription from a private doctor, nor can you fill it in any druggist. The only people allowed to deal in Tamiflu are the hospitals.

You are also counted as being "hospitalized" as soon as you step foot in any hospital, even if you go home everyday. Unlike in the USA and Europe, you need not be in a hospital bed, to be "in the hospital" as far as Ukraine's statistics are concerned. Everyone who is not in the hospital does NOT have a confirmed case of flu and IS NOT being treated by Tamiflu. They are probably treating themselves with hot tea and honey, and that's it. They may or may not have the technical flu. Many may simply have a bad cold. We cannot really know, as I said, because people with confirmed flu MUST go the hospital, and, once they are there, even if they leave an hour later, they are considered "in the hospital" until the hospital-doctor's (who is the only source of Tamiflu) treatment course.

I do not wish to make light of the situation. We do have a lot of flu floating about, and it is a very serious public health problem. However, it is not as dire or diabolical as you seem to think.

by Intuition
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 12:23
#133314

A trusted source with knowledge of the Ukraine tells me that school closures and bans on public gatherings are very common occurrences in the months leading up to any Ukranian election. Take it for what it's worth.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 13:58
#133425

PM,

I live in West Ukraine and I dont see anything going on here. The first week people were panicked and wore masks now everyone thinks its a sick joke the Ukraine Government is playing before elections in January.

Personally as Ive reported over at FOFOA.blogspot.com,
I think Ukraine is very close to default and swine flu and any epidemic is perfect to take the blame for the ensuing fallout from EU banks taking huge losses. If the lies work in Ukraine, then they will apply the same tactics in other regions of the world as they default in kind.

Honestly, I went to a hospital here today for a follow up visit from last week and it looked like a normal Ukraine hospital, like it did last week. I just dont see the sick and dieing people that the media is reporting about. Its like Im living in 1984 or something, real eerie.

Let me know how to contact you and I can give you my boots on the ground view.

by Project Mayhem
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 17:09
#133672

Thanks for the information.  If the reports from the Ukrainian government are accurate, it is probably too early to tell if we have an epidemic of a new strain.  The other question is the clinical attack rate (does the old strain offer immunity to the new strain)

 

Flu spreads in clusters. So it's not unusual for there to be areas with no disease, and areas of high concentration of disease.  Even small numbers of people contracting "total destruction of the lungs" is serious, even though it may not yet be obvious on the street.  Your report from a hospital interests me though.  Do doctors have anything to say?  What are the incidence of lung infection compared to normal etc?  Anyway, if the Ukrainian figures are accurate, about 1 in 40 are sick, and 1 in 800 are or were in the hospital.  I am curious about your report regarding the hospital being normal.  I know this is not the case in some hospitals in Belarus, which is experiencing as many as 20-30 patients dying per day in some hospitals from a new form of pneumonia.

 

It may be the situation is worse in Belarus.

 

Regardless, if this is a 'for real' problem , rather than Ukrainian government lies, then we can expect the epidemic will peak sometime in January to February.  Let's see what the results are out of Mill Hill , London if they ever decide to release the gene sequences.

 

 

Please contact me at project.mayhem.research [at] gmail [dot] com

 

P.S.

 

report from a doctor in Belarus

 

"With influenza, we really Gestures. I have today is the first day off in the last 11 days. Minzdrav completely discredited the entire health care system of the country. As it turned out in Minsk did not even have some minimum stock of drugs (particularly Tamiflu, antibiotics, and so steep etc.). And when the hospital began to receive people with complete packets of pneumonia and almost dying in waiting area, doctors simply were unarmed.
 With mechanical ventilation (machines do not have enough, already used by those who gathered dust in basements for cheating) shot live only one patient. Our hospital is among the doctors called a "fever hospital" re-profiled in a continuous-communicable pneumo. All clinics Minsk stopped regular treatment inc. operation.  In the day 28-60 persons hospitalized with pneumonia and dies up to 8 people. I do not know how many died. All the young, there is even a 1986-87gg birth. And it still was not aware of infant mortality ..
Thank God, in this Monday (after 8-9 days after the beginning of the horror) in hospitals appeared Tamiflu. Packaging divides the chairman of the committee zdraovohraneniya personally. People etiotropic after the start of treatment for the eyes out of the crisis, the positive dynamics, even at 10 days after onset.What scum officials of Ministry of Health. On TV, media, etc. say that we have only 19 deaths in the country as a whole.  Sam can you imagine what level of deception, if only in our hospital of yesterday, there were 24 deaths."

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 03:49
#134245

PM I agree,

There could be parts of west Ukraine that are experiencing it much worse than my area here where I live. But people travel a lot here by train and bus all over from city to city from bazaar to bazaar. There is no quarantine for travel. People are moving freely as they please. Believe me if they started locking down free movement I would be the first to pop-smoke and get the hell out, but no one seems afraid anymore, so I got to think that as people travel and use their cell phones and Inet to talk to relatives in other parts of the country they would really start to panic again if these media stories were true.

Before all this happened one of my reasons for coming to Ukraine was to get away from what the West had planned for its inhabitants such as monetary collapse, police states, and possible extermination. So Im not spreading disinformation. There is no serious flu or epidemic here as of now.

Sometimes psychology can be a pretty strong weapon and if they want to throw people into a real panic around the world they just have to tell some scary stories and show some scary pictures. Propaganda is amazing. Ive been to both Afghanistan and Iraq in the past couple years and have seen with my own eyes the Propaganda about both places in Western media and the reality on the ground.

Again, this whole thing may be real. But Im not seeing it yet. Also I cant comment on Belarus, as Ive never been there.

Personaly, I wont take the vaccine as I believe this whole thing is about the vaccine now. The flu is not real but the vaccine may be. The first person that comes near me with a vaccine in hand, is getting their teeth kicked in!

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 18:55
#135258

I agree with what you said about traveling here in Ukraine. Many Ukrainians travel throughout the country by bus and train. Many Ukrainians also have relatives throughout the country and if there was a true pandemic the people here would know about it.

I'm currently living in Zaporozhye and there are NO problems here. Earlier I was in Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev and there were no problems there either. I'm traveling to Nikolaev later this week for a few days, my contacts there say all is good.

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 04:13
#134250

Also, I have a pastor friend here in my region that said his wife had to go comfort the wife of a man that died from the flu. My friend said that they did an autopsy on the dead man and found that his lungs were black like they had been burned.

As I dont believe this whole flu thing, but I trust my pastor friend. I have to say that either the hospital was ling about the black lungs or there may be some truth to the black lung reports. But so far I think there has only been a few of these black lung incidents reported. And again unless I can find someone to bribe to let me see the body and the lungs, theres no way for me to verify this.

by heatbarrier
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 14:42
#133469

How about covering this potential Black Swan?

IMF, EBRD urge E.Europe banks to recognise losses

VIENNA, Nov 17 (Reuters) - Banks operating in emerging Europe may have been too slow in recognising possible losses due to bad debt and could face a day of reckoning early next year, international financial institutions warned on Tuesday.

The former Communist region's banks, most under western ownership, have used leeway in local accounting rules to build up reserves for bad debt as slowly as possible this year, and as a result only few of them are expected to report losses.

But this may have come at the price of keeping loans to borrowers alive that are not viable in the long term, International Monetary Fund (IMF) Senior Adviser Christoph Rosenberg told a conference in Vienna.

The biggest lenders in emerging Europe are Italy's UniCredit , Austria's Raiffeisen International and Erste Group Bank, Societe Generale, Belgium's KBC and Hungary's OTP.

'The country that illustrates best the lack of recognition is Ukraine where all the banks have been 'evergreening' credit,' Berglof told reporters on the sidelines of the conference.

'That will come back to reckoning at the beginning of next year,' Berglof said.

Ukraine, whose economy is on track to shrink by 15 percent this year, has one of the highest levels of bad debt in Europe with about 30 percent of all loans impaired at the end of the second quarter.

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/11/17/afx7130485.html

by heatbarrier
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 14:49
#133478

Ukraine turmoil puts IMF loans in jeopardy
15 Nov 2009

Political in-fighting between the erstwhile heroes of Ukraine's pro-Western Orange Revolution has plunged the country into economic turmoil, derailing a crucial multi-billion dollar loan from the International Monetary Fund.

The country's biggest strategic companies are saddled with crippling debts, including the state gas company which has struggled to meet Russian gas payments, only just managing a $500m payment this month.

Meanwhile the global economic crisis has caused the country's budget deficit to balloon, its inefficient Soviet-era factories to stagger, and international rating agencies have rushed to downgrade their view of economic prospects. The national currency, the hryvnia, has plunged by 60 per cent in a year, foreign direct investment has slowed to a trickle, and bad bank loans have multiplied.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/6574241/Ukraine...

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:59
#133599

Excellent, no bs article - thankyou

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 17:14
#133703

Watch out for the liars and disinfo agents on this site trying to convince you that this is not really happening. It's happening folks, and it's coming our way. This has been planned for a long time...zero hedge is a reputable site and would not be printing a bunch of bullshit....use your logic....of course they don't want to publicize this because they don't want to stop it, they want it to spread...hello?

by Project Mayhem
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 05:37
#134270

Health Ministry: Second wave of A/H1N1 flu in Ukraine could come in late 2009-early 2010

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/53078/

 

we'll see in a couple of months I suppose

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 17:49
#133752

It is SLOVENIA not Slovania.

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 19:06
#133867

Seems like a good time to smoke and, drink heavily to scare off the virus.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 20:15
#133911

OUTSTANDING JOB on this article and pics. Better than I could have done myself. Here's my contribution from a few months ago when Baxter got caught.

Bird Flu Baxter to Produce Millions of Vaccines for "Swine Flu" Outbreak, 5.19.09
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=106618.msg646228#msg646228

by Anonymous
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 22:54
#134055

Very scary indeed

by KeyserSöze
on Tue, 11/17/2009 - 23:20
#134078

PM your article was great!  Well done....also the correlation to your "accident" as you seem to have a vast knowledge....remember when a nuclear weapon was found on an Air Force plane?  They made it appear like someone just 'picked up the wrong cellphone' with the way it was reported....I couldn't believe what I was hearing...

 

no fucking way...the redundance and vast miles of paperwork surrounding this type of process makes your check and recheck viral process look like a credit card transaction....

Allow me to refresh everyone's memory.....

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1812228,00.html

 

 

 

 

 

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 01:49
#134212

this map is BAD becouse Ukraine is near Slovak republic no Czech . Is it Big mistake . This map is shith If you learn
youre child this but they don't know where they live. plese repair it becouse Im from Slovakia and is it reproachful. Thnx

by Anonymous
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 05:03
#134264

Southern Poland is not reporting any cases of "ukrainian flu"
For more see my blog:
tomtommytom.blogspot.com

thanks

by heatbarrier
on Wed, 11/18/2009 - 13:27
#134739

And this from the Russians,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEN3swiFcYY

by Fibozachi
on Thu, 11/19/2009 - 06:13
#135601

Simply an awesome piece Project Mayhem ! Thank you for it.

Am wondering whether you have performed any research into the timing and nature of disease/ pandemic outbreak?  For whatever its worth, note the location of the local or most reflective equity markets on the daily/ weekly when such issues/ instances occur. Might surprise ya.

by Youri Carma
on Thu, 11/19/2009 - 18:42
#136570

Must Listen!: Niman discussing the lethal mutation that is killing Ukies: http://derekpgilbert.com/

by Anonymous
on Thu, 11/19/2009 - 19:45
#136663

Yes, the Ukrainian situation is quite concerning though it is too early to have a clear picture. If this is a bad situation and a new infective and virulent strain of influenza it is worth noting that there is no vaccine prepared or that could be prepared in time to make any difference (assuming little cross-reactivity with currently wild types ie Swine and endemic). If you are not familiarized, it is worth getting familiarized with the recent discoveries concerning vitamin D's immunomodulatory effects and its antiviral and antibacterial properties. There is a good write-up on vitamin D here, http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/2009/11/introduction-to-vitamin-d-part-i.html
for those who are interested.

by Anonymous
on Thu, 11/19/2009 - 19:59
#136685

This is a fantastic job, getting the news out about what has happened in the Ukraine. One of the firs things I came across was the idea at physorg.com to put HCL and liquefied ozone into water, and it makes something that kills flu virusses. I then learned that ozone itself appears to do the same, but, when you get to the lungs, the sensitivity to ozone is very high (and you get tissue destruction from the ozone). According to Lenntech (http://www.lenntech.com/ozone-and-humans.htm), for breathing, ozone levels of 0.3 PPM for no more than 15 minutes.

I don't know what that translates into in mg/L, but ozonated water is a popular thing for killing pathogens dead. We spray meats and produce with it, and there is tech now for electrifying pre-packaged foods to generate ozone that kills any pathogens inside the package.

So the idea I'm having here is to use fluorocarbon in the lungs (fluid), which is a cutting-edge tech, and add 0.2 PPM of ozone to that - into the lungs. Can that be done? I've also seen sodium chlorite used as an additive (Jim Humble), where the idea it to destroy pathogens, and leave ordinary salt behind. With ozone, the only residue is oxygen.

re: fluorocarbon fluid in lungs (for therapy)
From: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5490498.html
What is claimed is:

1. A method for treating a patient in need of facilitated oxygen delivery through the lungs, additional lung surfactant, removal of material from the lung, or inflation of collapsed portions of the lung, comprising the steps of:

first introducing into the lung of the patient an effective therapeutic amount of a fluorocarbon liquid, said introduced amount being at least about 0.1% and less than 35% of the functional residual capacity of the lung of the patient upon exhalation taking into account any positive or negative end expiratory pressure applied to said patient's lung; and

then moving a breathing gas into and out of the patient's lung on top of said introduced fluorocarbon liquid separate and apart from said introducing step, so that said breathing gas physically admixes with and oxygenates said introduced amount of fluorocarbon liquid within the lung, whereby the patient is breathing a gas while the introduced amount of fluorocarbon liquid is in the lung.

--------------------------------

And the second thought... Are the rates of spreading of this new strain slowing perhaps in part due to being farther away from the planes (oct 29/31)? I don't know what I am talking about; just wondering. If genetically engineered, then would it fail to spread the globe in nature? Would it fail to be a global spread when too far away from the airplanes? If the rates of spreading go down, then maybe BioWar isn't good enough to make something natural enough to spread the globe and also be so hard-hitting.

Will it combine with lighter, more natural seasonal flu, and spread more that way, or is it going to take off, world-wide, as it is? These are things I wonder.

Thanks for all the great work, project mayhem.

by Anonymous
on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 10:37
#137275

Mutated and more agressiv Swine flue virus found in Norway

In Norwegian :
Mer aggressivt svineinfluensavirus påvist i Norge
http://www.vg.no/helse/svineinfluensa/artikkel.php?artid=592500

by economessed
on Fri, 11/20/2009 - 13:39
#137585

...and now Bloomberg reporting a variant that is Tamiflu resistent (among other properties described and undescribed) appearing in Wales and Norway....

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aEhvd7R2HL80&pos=8

So I guess we can say Europe is covered.  Any guesses how many hours/days it will be before the first news broadcast of a mutant strain of H1N1 here in the US?  What will they call this one?  H1N2?

by maxirat
on Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:06
#138170

Been in Kiev since end of October. Seen NO one looking remotly sick and neighbours where we living say the same.

Its a total media beat-up by this corrupt political CIRCUS. As someotheres have said (the ones living here) this place is in a finacial meltdown and an election on 17/01/10 and these political leaders only think of one thing - THEMSELVES

by ilene
on Sat, 11/21/2009 - 10:35
#138174

Here's my newest swine flu update.  And yes, I took a lot of information from the WHO and mainstream media.  I've looked for counter-information, e.g. with regards to the Ukraine, and I can't find reliable sources to suggest anything evil is going on besides some sort of political gamesmanship.  I am certainly open to more info, evidence, facts, etc. - Ilene

http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/swine-flu-news-2/

by Anonymous
on Sat, 11/21/2009 - 17:00
#138346

Go here: http://app4.lasd.org/iic/ajis_search.cfm

Search...

Last Name: Moshe
First Name: Joseph

and click "Search".

There is some interesting info someone needs to follow-up.

by Bob
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 18:53
#138860

Especially since he's now, according to the LA record site, housed in "Patton State Hospital."  Curious. 

Quite curious. 

by Anonymous
on Sat, 11/21/2009 - 22:36
#138530

Britian did the same thing in WW1 to bring about the end of it (which caused the 1918 flu epidemic), they did germ warfare, sprayed mycotoxins to disable immune systems and then sprayed the flu virus from planes. This also explains why it spread so fast (ie not person to person transmission). Please read the book, "Search For Health, an Anthology" by Tom Valentine.

http://ourbigbrotheriswatchingyou.blogspot.com/2009/11/page-7.html

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 08:40
#138641

I was glad to be going back over an in-depth article on this topic at OpEdNews http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Suspected-Hemorrhagic-Pneu-by-Stephen-Lendman-091111-498.html and I came across an old paragraph or two that lodged in my head a new and different way.

..." On November 3, WHO reported the outbreak in Ukraine, "confirmed (as) H1N1 (based on) samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions," and concluded that "most (Ukraine influenza) cases are caused by the H1N1 virus.

" Infectious disease expert, Dr. Donald Lau, disagrees, saying:

" "The statistical probability of this being the same H1N1 virus (is) infinitesimally small." He believes a highly virulent new strain is to blame. Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines. On You Tube, he recently warned that:

" "These vaccinations contain highly unstable viruses that easily mutate, because they are 'live active' laboratory mutants that are being administered....People shed these 'live' viruses up to three weeks following vaccination. That means if you haven't been vaccinated, and you get near someone who has and then sneezes, you can get their H1N1 laboratory infection." "...

There is a 3 week period in which these vaccines easily mutate, because they are "live active laboratory mutants". I have suggested that the Ukraine may not have experienced a natural outbreak, but that it may have been vaccinated from airplanes. Could what we saw in the Ukraine be what Dr. Horowitz is describing above? Could it have come from a mass vaccination, three weeks ago?

by ilene
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 13:33
#138736

In response to previous post by Anon,

From memory (in a previous article I've read but am not going to review all of them), the people in the Ukraine were not vaccinated.  Most of the vaccines available seem to be the inactive (dead) virus injectable vaccines, not the Flumist, which is the one with live viruses.

" Infectious disease expert, Dr. Donald Lau, disagrees, saying:

" "The statistical probability of this being the same H1N1 virus (is) infinitesimally small." He believes a highly virulent new strain is to blame. Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines. On You Tube,...

What studies are these guys basing their "beliefs" and statistics on??

 

"These vaccinations contain highly unstable viruses that easily mutate, because they are 'live active' laboratory mutants that are being administered....People shed these 'live' viruses up to three weeks following vaccination. That means if you haven't been vaccinated, and you get near someone who has and then sneezes, you can get their H1N1 laboratory infection."

Theoretically.  The viruses in the live vaccine are attenuated and if they spread should not make others very sick (exposure to a mild flu, maybe)- the data on the efficacy of the vaccines are lacking, but the safety profile appears good - unless you do believe the WHO is making up all the numbers.  In which case, there is no data whatsoever because the other side of this argument has no data either. 

The death rate in the Ukraine does not appear abnormal.  The hospital numbers in some articles to appear too high - why is that?  If I had to guess, I would guess that the hospitalization numbers are either due to excessive panic or just wrong.  The information is only as good as the source, and how do people decide to trust one source and not another - based on what they want to believe as much as anything else.

There is a 3 week period in which these vaccines easily mutate, because they are "live active laboratory mutants". 

I've never heard anything about a 3 week period - flu viruses mutate easily, that's why new vaccines are made for each yearly flu season. 

The article above... e.g. "He believes a highly virulent new strain is to blame. Public health authority, Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz sees a deadly connection between governments and the drug cartel over dangerous, toxic vaccines..." refers to Leonard Horowitz as an expert.  He is a dentist and has an agenda - I'm not going to weigh in on whether the government and vaccine industry are trying to kill us all with deadly engineered viruses and, if that fails, apparently killer toxic vaccines - but I'm suggesting that we know our sources of information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Horowitz

 

 

by Bob
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 14:34
#138761

Holy Shit.  It makes me glad that the past generation has been raised on a heavy diet of movies, books and video games that address action in just these kinds of scenarios.  It even makes me ambivalently thankful for the NRA (though I hope I don't rue the Left's self-imposed exile from that community if the shit hits the fan. )

Nice work here.  If it isn't happening already, it surely will.   

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 16:33
#138817

Ilene,
I'd be looking for a best-case explanation for the sudden expansion of infection rates from the end of October to mid-November, and to follow. Provide comparisons - show me where else this has happened. You want good sources - you are pedantic, but do you derive well?

Btw: The good doctor Horowitz has been a hard-working activist (and public servant) for many years, and he has made a good reputation for himself. Read the wiki entry.

Or get what you need so you can do what I do, and think. Below is from the CDC.

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http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5213a1.htm
- Person-to-Person Transmission of Vaccine Viruses

Because LAIV contains live influenza viruses, a potential exists for transmission of these viruses from vaccinees to other persons. Vaccinated immunocompetent children can shed vaccine viruses for <3 weeks (6). One unpublished study in a child care center setting assessed transmissibility of vaccine viruses from 98 vaccinated to 99 unvaccinated subjects, all aged 8--36 months. Eighty percent of vaccine recipients shed >1 virus strain, with a mean of 7.6 days duration (17). One influenza type B isolate was recovered from a placebo recipient and was confirmed to be vaccine-type virus. The estimated probability of acquiring vaccine virus after close contact with a single LAIV recipient was 0.58%--2.4%. The type B isolate retained the cold-adapted, temperature-sensitive, attenuated phenotype, and it possessed the same genetic sequence as a virus shed from a vaccine recipient in the same children's play group.

6. Clements ML, Stephens I. New and improved vaccines against influenza. In: Levine MM, Woodrow GC, Kasper JB, et al., eds. New generation vaccines. New York: Marcel Dekker, Inc 1997:645--70.

17. Vesikari T, et al. Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial of the safety, transmissibility and phenotypic stability of a live, attenuated, cold-adapted influenza virus vaccine (CAIV-T) in children attending day care [Abstract G-450]. Presented at the 41st Annual Interscience Conference on Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy (ICAAC), Chicago, IL, 2001.

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 16:44
#138821

There aren't SIGNS that the flu was genetically engineered. There are genetics engineers posting that fact on their industry-related websites. Flu virus doesn't get the identical mutation thousands of miles apart in nature. Period. These are man-made problems and they are part of the DEPOPULATION AGENDA of the nuts in the Bilderbergers.

Do read the facts. Do not get the shot, it is more lethal than the flu. Do call your congressman and senator and demand the IMMEDIATE CESSATION OF ALL CHEMTRAIL OPERATIONS AND THE APPREHENSION OF THOSE CRIMINAL POLITICIANS TRY TO STAGE A COUP WORLDWIDE TO COVER UP THEIR CRIMES.

theflucase.com A really brave whistleblower who tried to prevent this pandemic

worldreports.org

benjaminfulford.typepad.com

Thirdworldtraveller.com read the accounts on empire etc.

Google VK Durham and read her accounts of the thefts of gold from the Durham trust and other topics

Google Carnicom, chemtrails and read his ongoing coverage for the last 6 years on the chemtrails phenomenon. Go to YouTube and view the chemtrails.

Read and carefully evaluate the whistleblower accounts on Projectcamelot.org

Google and read the information presented by British town councillor Hicks about MAJESTIC.

No matter how crazy you might think that this seems, America and the world's problems began with the development of the Shadow Government under MAJESTIC12. This secret group was put together to give the President deniability about the UFO problem. Don't believe me? Do the research. There has been a completely secret group well above the President operating since the '40s in complete secrecy. That group has enabled all of the supersecret black ops and off-the-books intelligence activities by the CIA and others since the '50s. There is a lot of information on this group at the Disclosure Project.

This needs to stop NOW. All activities of all governments need to be out in the open.

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 17:03
#138827

"Kids Shed H1N1 Virus 6 Days After Fever"
http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=107133

..." Achuyt Bhattarai, MD, of the CDC, and colleagues looked at shedding patterns of the H1N1 virus during an outbreak at an elementary school in Pennsylvania in May and June.

" The researchers swabbed the noses and throats of 13 elementary school kids, ages 5 to 9, who had a fever of 100 degrees or higher and a cough and/or sore throat. Samples were also obtained from 13 of their flu-stricken family members.

" "Overall, we found the median duration of shedding to be six days, with a minimum of one day and a maximum of 13 days," Bhattarai says. "...

by ilene
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 18:02
#138847

Ilene,
I'd be looking for a best-case explanation for the sudden expansion of infection rates from the end of October to mid-November, and to follow.

 

It's probably due to a measuring artifact due to specific testing (guessing with no confirmation - not recorded - vs. doing specific testing - now recorded).  For example, our reported death rate in kids tripled over a very short period due to specific testing results (i.e., not tested prior to specific testing of the virus - no diagnoses vs. confirmed H1N1 diagnoses - the kids actually had the virus before, but weren't confirmed to have had it via specific testing - make sense?).  Read the references in my summary of the flu news here:  http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/swine-flu-news-2/

Anne at the CDC addressed this, so take a look at the CDC references in particular.  I believe there are two and it's in one where Anne was answering questions either on Nov. 12 or Nov. 20th. (If I remember correctly)

 

- Person-to-Person Transmission of Vaccine Viruses

Because LAIV contains live influenza viruses, a potential exists for transmission of these viruses from vaccinees to other persons. Vaccinated immunocompetent children can shed vaccine viruses for <3 weeks (6). One unpublished study in a child care center setting assessed transmissibility of vaccine viruses from 98 vaccinated to 99 unvaccinated subjects, all aged 8--36 months. Eighty percent of vaccine recipients shed >1 virus strain, with a mean of 7.6 days duration (17). One influenza type B isolate was recovered from a placebo recipient and was confirmed to be vaccine-type virus. The estimated probability of acquiring vaccine virus after close contact with a single LAIV recipient was 0.58%--2.4%...

I understand this, but don't understand your point.  A live attenuated virus may spread whereas dead virus in the injected vaccine doesn't.  The live attenuated virus form mimics the original route of vaccination, with cow pox being discovered to protect against the more deadly small pox.  Why is this a problem in your mind?

 

 

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 20:37
#138894

" It's probably due to a measuring artifact due to specific testing (guessing with no confirmation - not recorded - vs. doing specific testing - now recorded). "

Shill!

" For example, our reported death rate in kids tripled over a very short period due to specific testing results (i.e., not tested prior to specific testing of the virus - no diagnoses vs. confirmed H1N1 diagnoses - the kids actually had the virus before, but weren't confirmed to have had it via specific testing - make sense?). "

Gee, you make it sound like the Ukraine. How convincing. Now get off your ass and put your answer in your post.

What is this below? Is this that "dead" stuff you were talking about?

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http://sarasota.indymedia.org/local/intranasal-h1n1-vaccine-sheds-live-virus-other-recent-vaccination-news
" Intranasal H1N1 Vaccine Sheds Live Virus; Other Recent Vaccination News "

According to US FDA, the intranasal vaccine "sheds" live virus; it may actually spread H1N1 ‘swine flu’ virus.

ABC TV-7, Denver, is reporting that Denver-area “Hospitals Shun H1N1 FluMist Vaccine, Wait For Injections.”

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21212055/detail.html

According to the FDA package insert, the “Intranasal [vaccine] is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised household contacts."

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182406.pdf

Since the intranasal vaccine contains live virus, doctors and nurses who inhaled the live virus could shed some of it on patients whose immune systems are compromised. In other words, the intranasal vaccine is capable of causing the H1N1 virus to spread.

Questions: During a so-called "pandemic," aren't there immunocompromised individuals all around us? Is it wise to be vaccinating millions of people with a vaccine which may actually be spreading H1N1 virus? Is it wise to vaccinate school kids with nasally-administered vaccine (Flu-Mist), containing live H1N1 virus, which may “shed” and be transmitted to family members or others?

What a way to start an epidemic!?

ABC-7, DENVER: Hospitals Shun H1N1 FluMist Vaccine, Wait For Injections:

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21212055/detail.html

Concern That Doctors, Nurses Could Spread 'Live' Virus MedImmune H1N1 Intranasal Vaccine FDA Package Insert here:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM182406.pdf

section 17.2, page 21, states:
"17.2 Vaccination with a Live Virus Vaccine:

Vaccine recipients or their parents/guardians should be informed by the health care provider that Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised household contacts."

Additional links here:

http://svcsrq.blogspot.com/2009/10/h1n1-intranasal-vaccine-and-viral.html

The INJECTABLE vaccines also contain ingredients known to be HAZARDOUS... Autism Prevalence Now At 1 in 91 Children, 1 in 58 Boys: SafeMinds Calls For A Ban on Thimerosal from Seasonal and H1N1 Flu Vaccines In Pregnant Women and Young Children:

SAFEMINDS PRESS RELEASE:

http://www.safeminds.org/news/pressroom/autism-prevalence-ban-on-thimerosal-H1N1-flu-vaccine.html

The Truth about Flu Shots in Pregnancy:
http://drtenpenny.com/FluShotsAndPregnancy.aspx

by Dr Sherri Tenpenny: October, 2009
[NOTE: A PDF of this document is available here:
http://drtenpenny.com/Documents/The%20Truth%20about%20Flu%20Shots%20in%20Pregnancy%20%20--%20Flier.pdf

(article/listing continues at length)

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http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6726003
" Cold-recombinant influenza A/California/10/78 (H1N1) virus vaccine (CR-37) in seronegative children: infectivity and efficacy against investigational challenge."

" Forty-seven seronegative children were inoculated intranasally with influenza A/California/10/78 (H1N1) cold-recombinant vaccine (CR-37). Doses ranged from 10(3.2) to 10(7.2) TCID50 per child. The dose necessary to infect 50% of children (one HID50 ) was approximately 10(3.5) TCID50. Only two of eight children given 10(3.2) TCID50 became infected, and neither shed virus. The majority of children who were given 10(4.2), 10(5.2), 10(6.2), or 10(7.2) TCID50 of CR-37 became infected. Twenty-four of 39 children given greater than one HID50 of CR-37 shed vaccine virus. Overall, 31 of 39 became infected, as indicated by shedding of virus or antibody response or both. Although virus was shed for up to 12 days postinoculation, shedding of revertant virus was not detected. Six months after primary vaccination 26 children were challenged intranasally with 10(6.2) TCID50 of CR-37. Of 21 children previously infected with CR-37, only eight had further antibody increase, and none shed vaccine virus. In contrast, five of five (P less than .05) children not infected with CR-37 at the time of initial inoculation were infected with the challenge inoculum (as indicated by a fourfold rise in antibody titer) and three of five children shed vaccine virus. Previous infection with CR-37 conferred significant protection from challenge with a high dose of CR-37."

by ilene
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 15:56
#139762

Mr. Anon:

No need to be rude and call names.  I've given you what you can read yourself if you care to.  I've mentioned two or three times that I know flu mist contains live attenuated virus.  I've chosen Flu Mist over the injectible vaccine before (with dead i.e. not live viruses, I've said this before too.)  You keep trying to tell me something I already know...

Anyway, here's my newest article on the flu:  http://philsbackupsite.wordpress.com/

by ilene
on Mon, 11/23/2009 - 15:59
#139771

Are you missing that the injectible vaccine with "dead stuff" contains mercury whereas the live vaccine/flu mist does not?

by Anonymous
on Sun, 11/22/2009 - 22:13
#138966

This blog entry is surrounded by "Find Your Ukrainian Beauty Today" ads.

Do they come with the flu, or does that cost extra?

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