Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine

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Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine

Deadly flu continues to spread across Ukraine, criminal World Health Organization lies to the public, MSM maintains radio silence.

There are many aspects to this story. It is impossible to know where to begin -- let alone cover all the pertinent facts in just one article. Those who have followed my Zerohedge columns in the past may be aware the subject of pandemic influenza has been a regular feature, precisely because there have been multiple signs indicating a global pandemic would be exploited (and perhaps even initiated) by governments and international banks for political purposes.


The signs have been building, including as I previously reported, forced quarantine orders inadvertently published by the CDC. What do these people know which the public does not?



Over the past two weeks, what appears to be a particularly virulent form of the flu has been spreading in Ukraine and adjacent Eastern European countries. This new flu is, in my opinion, a lethal new strain which has mutated (or was released). I speak with a background in virology. This new mutated flu virus appears to have a remarkable affinity for the lungs and is causing deaths to a much higher extent than the previous swine flu. Something in the virus has changed. I have covered this incredibly important story for two weeks now in my weekly column This Week In Mayhem, which is generally published on Monday mornings.


Regardless, there has been almost zero (NOTHING. NADA. SILENCE.) mention of the Ukraine epidemic in the mainstream media, a fact which I find both astonishing and profoundly disturbing. There is apparently collusion at the highest levels of government and media to suppress this information. There are now 1.3 million infected in Ukraine, and over 75,000 hospitalized -- IN FOURTEEN DAYS. This is very serious! Based on previous clinical data we can expect over 8,000 to be dead or soon to be dead. Forward projection of the epidemic is difficult because the clinical attack rate is unknown  -- but myself and my associates remain concerned it may be quite high. Deaths globally may be in the millions. Let's hope this is not the case.

An example of viral pneumonia.   Yeah, fail.

The new flu strain, which I contend is spreading in Ukraine and Belarus, is characterized by a lightning form of viral pneumonia -- very similar to what happened in 1918. The new flu virus appears to have profound tissue affinity for sialic acid receptors deep in the lungs, replicating in the alveoli. To put it mildly, the lungs fill with blood.  Quotes from Ukrainian officials included quotes such as "total destruction of the lungs." Ukrainian Doctor Viktor Bachinsky has stated, "The virus causing the deaths is extremely aggressive -- it doesn't first infect the throat (as is common in flu), but strikes the lungs directly."   In Ukraine's western Chernovetsky region, an epicenter of the outbreak, doctors have said lab tests showed at least some of the fatalties appeared to be caused by a flu dissimilar to both common flu and swine flu.  In other words, a mutant flu.  This claim of a 'mutant flu' has been echoed by Ukrainian public health officials such as Dr. Vasyl Lazoryshynetz.  Unfortunately, as noted in the above Russia Today video, pharmacies across the country are sold out of antivirals. To the hard of thinking -- yes, this is currently happening in Ukraine.


I have multiple sources confirming spot outbreaks of viral pneumonia in Eastern Europe, including official and non-official entities.  In terms of the current situation, there appear to be a high number of pneumonia patients in Ukrainian and Belerusian hospitals.  This epidemic has not shut down Ukrainian society yet, but it has caused many people to become concerned, and to buy up essential medicines.  Reports from doctors in Belarus indicate they do not expect this deadly new flu epidemic to peak until Christmas or later.  This is why it is important to analyze the situation and viral genetics now, and if necessary, contain the spread of the virus while it is still possible -- something the criminals at WHO do not appear interested in doing. These idiots at WHO have yet to release the viral gene sequences (even though they have had them for two weeks), and are now outright lying in their press releases, which I detail later. In terms of how dangerous this new flu strain could potentially be, I conducted a rough analysis of the Ukrainian government statistics, yielding a projected case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.61% -- over six times as lethal as seasonal flu.  

Lastly, there are signs the virus is genetic engineered.







The Ukrainian government has been releasing daily data updates on the numbers of "acute respiratory infections" , the number of related hospitalizations , and the number of deaths since Oct 28, 2009.  These reported numbers have increased substantially over the past two weeks, from near zero before Halloween to over a million as of today. It is important to remember that these statistics are not laboratory confirmed H1N1 cases (due to the state of the Ukrainian medical system), but we can cautiously assume at this point the vast majority of ARI (acute respiratory infection) in Ukraine with rapid progression to viral pneumonia are caused by influenza A virus. This is because a large subset of these samples are coming up positive of Influenza A, and a smaller subset tested by rt-rtPCR are coming up positive for influenza A/H1N1, or what is more commonly known as 'swine flu'. This suggests we are dealing with a viral epidemic of influenza.



This is not 'swine flu' as previously known. Statistically, the only way for this to be 'swine flu' is if it has mutated (or if the data is wrong). . . We will get to that in a minute.

As I mentioned , this data comes directly from the Ukrainian government. In the past two weeks, ARI have gone from near zero before Halloween to affecting 1.3 million Ukrainians. Over a million people are currently sick with probable H1N1. More importantly, there are over 75,000 total hospitalized at the time of the writing of this article, Monday 11/16. Based on these two figures (75,000 / 1.3 million), approximately 5.6% of those infected with this new ARI end up at the hospital. This is the critical statistic which allows us to estimate how f*cked we actually might be.



Officially, there are 299 deaths, but a realistic estimate shows this is easily one order of magnitude too low. Realistically deaths are between 2,000 - 8,000 people from this probable new strain of the flu -- so far. The number of dead is sure to rise dramatically, as we are only two weeks into this new epidemic. Which brings us to our estimation of the case fatality rate (CFR).   Again, I would love to be wrong about this.  Let's hope I am.



The current American strain 'swine flu' has a case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.1% or less. Seasonal flu has a CFR of 0.1%. The 1957 pandemic had a case fatality rate of 0.5%. The deadly 1918 pandemic had a CFR of 2 - 5%. Based on the Ukrainian government statistics, the new mutated Ukrainian flu has a CFR of 0.61% or higher -- that is, 6.1x as lethal as seasonal flu , perhaps more.  Perhaps less if our assumptions are wrong.

We arrive at the 0.61% CFR statistic based on the number of hospitalizations in Ukraine vs. the number of infections. This estimate is only as good as the underlying data, but I have confidence it is in the ball-park (order of magnitude). I consider the official reported number of deaths (299) to be unreliable for political reasons. No one wants to be the country with the lethal flu. Doctors, especially those in Belarus (which is a dictatorship) feel strong administrative pressure to label influenza viral pneumonia deaths as something else, for example cardiac failure. Thus , ARI hospitalizations are the more reliable indicator for what is happening on the ground.  Deaths can be implied from hospitalization statistics, assuming we are dealing with a form of H1N1 influenza.

Last week, the medical journal the Lancet published a meta-analysis of the (old) swine flu confirming a JAMA report that approximately 11% of hospitalized patients who had contracted the (old) swine flu died.  We will use this 11% figure as our "middle case".  The official government reported deaths (299) are considered “best case”. For a "worst case" estimate, we can assume that 25% of hospitalized flu patients will eventually die. We can use these 11% and 25% statistics to estimate the case fatality rate of the Ukrainian flu. The method is as follows:

To calculate the "middle case" and infer fatalities, we take 0.11 (11%, the figure from the JAMA) and multiply it by the number of Ukrainian hospitalizations on a particular date, to yield the expected number of ultimate fatalities. This method assumes the vast majority of reported ARI are from H1N1 swine flu. Using the November 15th data, this gives us 8345 expected fatalities. We take the number of expected fatalities and divide this into the total number who are estimated to be infected on the same particular data point (Nov 15). So 8345 deaths / 1.36 million infections , which yields the case fatality rate, which in this case is 0.61%. Obviously this is a rough estimate, but it is probably within an order of magnitude of the real CFR.

Assumptions for this model:
1) The vast majority of reported Ukrainian ARI are some form of H1N1 flu.
2) The data from the Ukrainian government for infections and hospitalizations is reliable and is not 'massaged' for political purposes.

Implications of this model:
1) If A1 and A2 are true, then statistically speaking we must be dealing with mutated H1N1 influenza (mutated 'swine flu').

In any case, this estimated CFR for Ukrainian flu is over six times higher than seasonal flu. Not good.  Let's hope this is wrong. Our "worst case" 25% estimate gives a CFR of 1.39%, enough to eventually shut down commerce and society across the planet -- but fortunately it is likely this "worst case" estimate is far off the mark. For our estimates here, including the CFR estimate of 0.61% using the data from the JAMA -- supposing this estimate was purely based on Ukrainian government statistics, we could consider such an arbitrarily high Case Fatality Rate unreliable , and the product of bad data.  However, in the context of multiple reports from individuals as well as state health authorities of MANY cases of viral pneumonia and thousands of patients in intensive care in Belarus and Ukraine, we consider this CFR estimate to make much more sense. That is, it fits the data on the ground of a worsening flu pandemic with a tendency towards viral pneumonia.

The old swine flu did not cause viral pneumonia, generally speaking. The new apparently mutated swine flu does, to an extent orders of magnitude higher. Thus , there must have been changes to the receptor binding domain , among other genes (perhaps PA, PB2, and NS1).






I am not fond of the World Health Organization. In my opinion, it is a tool of corrupt billionaire international financiers with which to achieve their dark global geopolitical objectives in the area of public health. These objectives are rarely in the public interest. We could spend paragraphs discussing deep corruption at WHO. One important point to remember is their obvious complicity and criminal cover-up regarding MMR vaccine contamination with Avian Leukosis Virus (ALV) , which may induce cancer.

The point here regarding WHO and the potential outbreak Ukraine is several:

-WHO has yet to release the gene sequences of the Ukrainian flu, despite possessing them for almost two weeks. They have also had a “team” on the ground in Lviv for a similar period of time. Where are the flipping gene sequences? The WHO has claimed there are no “big” mutations in the flu strain (apparently ruling out a viral reassortant), but has so far refused to release the Ukrainian flu gene sequences to the Internet community for analysis. This is reprehensible. What are these people doing? The world could know very quickly what we were dealing with if this genetic data was published, but instead it's being kept secret for whatever ulterior motives the WHO is operating under.

-WHO issued a press release on Friday which contained the following astonishing quote, bordering on deception.

“Because of a sharp rise in pandemic influenza cases one week ago in Ukraine, the Ministry of Health requested assistance from WHO European Regional Office to evaluate and respond. The initial analysis of information indicates that the numbers of severe cases do not appear to be excessive when compared to the experience of other countries and do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.”

Okay, let's see: Ukraine asked WHO to respond. WHO sent a team to Lviv. So far so good, despite the missing gene sequences. Now wait, what? The WHO publishes their all-star analysis... “The number of severe cases do not appear to be excessive”? Are you kidding me? Please explain how 75,000 hospitalizations in two weeks is not 'excessive'? And how all the pharmacies sold out of antivirals? And how Ukraine is under de-facto martial law? And that Yushenko gave a prime-time speech more or less threatening political dissidents if they don't follow government orders? Or that school in Ukraine is canceled for three weeks? Half the country under quarantine? Hospitals seeing a surge of viral pneumonia patients? What gives? Are these people at WHO retarded or are they criminals?

Oh and of course the gem of this press release by WHO: That “[ the numbers of severe cases ] do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.” Hahahaa! You are going to tell me that Ukraine went from two cases to 1.3 million cases in 14 days , and that doesn't represent any change in transmission? Is this supposed to be a joke? These pharmaceutical crooks damn well better explain themselves if you are going to make claims so obviously contrary to reality. Does the WHO contend the Ukrainian government just pulling these figures out of the air? What of the case reports of rapidly deteriorating viral pneumonia in Belarus, Ukraine, and Romania? What is causing this? What about the statements from Ukrainian health officials that we have a new flu strain? On what data are WHO basing these preposterous claims, which fly in the face of reality and common sense? Why not release the Ukrainian gene sequences? There is an obvious spike in mortality and pneumonia – why? Does WHO contend this is another pathogen besides influenza? If so, what? Honestly, this statement issued Friday November 13th from WHO is so obviously full of lies I really don't even have to comment; anyone with a brain can see they are not telling us the truth.

-WHO dodges questions from Bloomberg and Sun Media regarding a mutation in Ukrainian flu during last weeks press conference.

Phil Serafino, Bloomberg: Dr Shindo........I have a second question also which may not be your area of expertise but have you heard anything about the mutation of the virus or has it changed at all - are we looking at anything different than a few months ago?

Dr Shindo /WHO: Well, I can answer that question first. The virus is quite stable. It hasn't changed........

Joseph: This is Joseph from Kuala Lumpur - I am from the Sun Media......I just want to ask whether or not any slight mutation even a drift variant has been noticed so far?

Dr Shindo / WHO: Amazingly this virus is very stable and part of the reason, virologists (are saying) is because of the lack of pre-existing immunity in population so that virus doesn't have to mutate to escape from people's immunity. So it's quite stable.

What a joke! You'd think these fools at WHO were politicians , rather than doctors! Twice, the WHO official dodges questions from reporters (Bloomberg nonetheless!) on whether we are dealing with a critical new mutation in Ukraine sequences responsible for higher lethality and infectivity. Unbelievable. Again, I suggest these actions by WHO, taken in concert, are more akin to the actions of a criminal syndicate than to a global public health service. Lies and evasion. Stonewalling. Is this how we expect public servants to behave, especially on time-crucial issues upon which millions of lives depend? Unfortunately this is par for the course. Perhaps we should re-evaluate our conception of the world in which we live. hint: it is so incredibly corrupt, it defies man's imagination.

-Someone personally contacted WHO asking point-blanc , “Is there a critical mutation in this flu in Eastern Europe” and was met with silence.

The above speaks for itself. I was made aware of this contact through a phone conversation with a journalist from





I have mentioned the silence in the MSM on this issue. The only significant story I have noted was a story in Bloomberg. The NYT jumped on the bandwagon last Friday with a garbage fluff piece not addressing the critical questions. Furthermore, prior to these two articles, all MSM stories regarding Ukraine and flu were focusing on the internal political rivalry , rather than the rapid increase in infections and hospitalizations. My opinion here is that the MSM has been deliberately ignoring this story, as well as spinning it as “insignificant” by framing it as foreign politics rather than public health.

Instead, we see the usual MSM flu garbage about getting vaccinated (but of course no mention of vaccine contamination), about children getting sick, about pet cats catching the flu, and so on. The hype machine is still running 24/7. So where were the stories on Ukraine? What gives? Judging by all the ridiculous swine flu scare stories we've been hearing since past Spring , you'd think the mass media would jump all over the opportunity to scare the hell out of the public with the potential emergence of a new strain?  But instead, silence. 



I mentioned this before, I will embed the genetics image once again.


The swine flu virus is a triple-triple-reassortant , with the earlier triple-reassortant being approximately one decade old. The new H1N1 ('swine flu') emerged out of nowhere, out of season in Mexico, and went on to infect many people out of season in Spring 2009. The virus was fit and transmissible from the start – there was no detection of sporadic community outbreaks prior to the replication coefficient exceeding 1.0, resulting in sustained transmission. So this virus emerged ready to go – whether from genetic engineering, or from natural selection. However, no farm or wild swine herd has been identified which served as the reservoir for original Mexico City outbreak. The “patient zero” so-hyped by CNN – a 5-year old boy from La Gloria, Mexico – supposedly contracted the infection from a swine factory farm 80km away. This, we are supposed to believe, even though the virus was not identified in any pigs at the factory farm. So no source has yet been identified. The origins remain mysterious.

While a triple-reassortant flu is not uncommon, in the context of other information , geopolitical , economic , and scientific, the emergence of the original swine flu is extraordinarily suspect. The potential virulent reemergence is Ukraine after aerosol spraying is even more suspect. The H1N1 virus contains genes from multiple flu viruses – three to be precise. These three flu viruses which comprise 'swine flu' are from multiple continents. Furthermore, a total off 4-8% of the RNA (genetic material) is entirely new, with no known match in the public gene databases. The RNA polymerase in this flu is extra-ordinarily error prone according to the University of Edinburgh, multiple times the error rate of seasonal flus. Furthermore, the RNA polymerase is comprised of a bird-human-pig hybrid protein trimer from an earlier H3N2 triple-reassortant. This may be partly responsible for its ability to easily bridge across species. According to Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, for this virus to emerge naturally, swine would have had to pass through quarantine twice in order to acquire the necessary genetics. Once from America to Asia , with a wait time in quarantine, and then back again from Asia to America, once again with a wait time through quarantine to America. Of course, this does not even include the pig getting the necessary flu triple coinfection after making ,its journey around the world. Even after this may have hypothetically occurred, the emergent virus was suddenly evolutionarily fit to spread in pigs, yet also genetically fit to spread in humans, yet also acquiring the necessary host-to-host contact between man and pig. If this was so, why was this not detected in any swine in Mexico prior to humans spreading the virus back to their herds? This suggests the virus emerged in humans first, prior to swine, which would indicate potential genetic engineering.

 Lastly , comments from Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, suggest a laboratory origin for this virus. Dr. Gibbs was very courageous to state this opinion despite the mass media brainwashing to the contrary. Gibbs suggested the emergence was unintentional, but I do not believe that to be the case. Many powerful players stand to benefit from the emergence of a pandemic , especially one with the 'genetic history' necessary to establish plausible deniability on the occasion the virus 'spontaneously' becomes more virulent. A short list of of such entities and their potential objectives is provided in the second-to-last section of this article. For further research regarding the emergence of swine flu ,its genetic structure, and potential players involved, I suggest reviewing the work of Bill Sardi, who has his papers published on Lew

Where Did the H1N1 Late-2009 Flu Season Virus Come From?

Why Isn’t the H1N1 Pandemic Flu Being Investigated as a Designed Bioweapon?

Bill Sardi Archives

Co-creator of Tamiflu says 'swine flu' was created in a lab



Some may not be aware, but our government has spent immense amounts of money resurrecting the deadly 1918 flu virus which killed millions of people. This terrible plague was lost to history – prior to the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army Institute of Molecular Pathology. Approximately one decade ago, teams affiliated with the US government began digging up deceased individuals who were preserved in the Alaskan permafrost – individuals who died from the previously-extinct lethal flu from 1918. The fragments of viral RNA were combined from various dead bodies, in order to get the full spectrum of genetic material necessary to rebuild the deadly 1918 virus. These mad scientists used OUR TAX MONEY to sequence the RNA from a constellation of genes belonging to this extraordinary lethal flu, in order to reconstruct it. Once the entire deadly 1918 virus was sequenced, it was reconstructed from scratch using the process of reverse-genetics, and then active reconstructed 1918 viral particles were inoculated into animals – including primates --in order to study their incredibly 'lethal' effects and destruction of lung tissue. The government has spent a huge amount of money on programs closely related to weaponization of influenza.

Multiple studies were published by the US Army / Ft. Dietrick team, with most articles with abstracts freely accessible in NIH Pubmed, and many co-authored by Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army BSL3/BSL4 (Biosafety Level 3/4) laboratories. One of these studies involved comparing the X-ray crystal structure of the 1918 virus hemaglutinin to H5N1 (bird flu) hemaglutinin, which is a curious topic to study, unless you are attempting to create lethal pandemic flu. This is stepping so close to biological weapons research I am astonished this much was published. If you think this Army program was somehow not involved in weaponization of influenza, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. They were obviously involved with weapons research. If and how the current 'pandemic' is related is up for debate.

 Of course, the latest 2009 gems from these various scientific psychopaths include a study published this fall titled “Resurrected Pandemic Influenza Viruses.” In this study, the mad-scientist brain-trust affiliated with Taubenberger uses big research money funneled out from Uncle Sugar's loving tentacles, and constructs recombinant pandemic viruses in order to determine the amino acid changes responsible for virulence (lethality). In other words, these individuals are being paid to study how to make influenza more deadly. Why?

The whole point of this idiocy is that it's somewhat like Jurassic Park. If you do not resurrect the Velociraptor, you do not have to worry about it killing you. So why resurrect the Velociraptor? Is this not foolish? Or perhaps money talks, and Uncle Sugar likes his weapons, regardless of form or function.

For further information, see:

Resurrected pandemic influenza viruses.
Tumpey TM, Belser JA.

Influenza Division, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia 30333, USA.

as well as the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger, searchable at NIH Pubmed:


If one examines the charts posted at the beginning of this article, it becomes apparent the Ukraine outbreak begins approximately Oct 28 – 30, 2009 if we are to believe the official statistics. Additionally , we know the Ukrainian government's daily statistical updates began on October 28th 2009, when the rate of infections began to increase from a previously established baseline. What is curious is that this time frame coincides with reports of low-altitude aerial spraying in areas where the virus spread the most rapidly, particularly the Lviv region. In fact, reports to the Ukrainian government regarding low-altitude aerial spraying around Halloween reached such a high incidence, the government was forced to issue an official denial that were any aerial 'flu reduction operations' in progress. 

So the question becomes, what exactly was going on here? What were eyewitnesses observing?  Was something being sprayed?   Could the spraying have the objective of modulating flu infectivity?  Clearly something interesting was going on if the government was forced to issue an official denial and with hundreds of eyewitness reports.  

Ukraine Reports of Overhead Aerosol Spraying

On October 31, Kiev newspaper editors got dozens of calls about light planes doing aerosol spraying during the day. In refuting the claims, the district's Emergency Response office said "no permission had been granted for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits." Yet eye-witness accounts from Lviv, Ternopil, and other Ukraine cities said the same thing.

Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The Office for Emergency Situations Desniansko district of Kyiv denies reports that in the metro "Forest" with the help of aviation dissipated funds against influenza. 

Earlier today, the city rumors that over the market near the metro station "Forest" flying the plane, spraying some way from the "swine" influenza. The caller to the editors of newspapers in Kiev "forest residents reported that they or their friends or relatives of people here have seen circling over the aircraft market. It was also reported that retailers were encouraged to stay in tents. 

The administration of the market "Forest" strongly refuted this information. 

In Gosaviadministratsii correspondent "Newspapers in Kiev was told that any permission to fly to the city limits of small aviation aircraft today are not issued. 

For information on spraying means against influenza is also refuted in the Directorate of Health of the city. 

However, such rumors are being discussed in Internet forums Lviv, Ternopil and other cities.

Interesting, huh? So on Oct 31, local Ukrainian government authorities advise people to stay indoors because of anti-flu spraying, which is then followed by eyewitness reports and complaints to Kyiv and Lviv authorities of light aircraft spraying aerosols, which is then followed by repeated strong denials from government higher-ups... Indeed, the plot thickens. The question is rather, are these facts relevant to the situation? Related? Just rumors? I simply do not know. Your guess is as good as mine. Just another piece to the puzzle. Our job is to determine if it fits.




Last year, Chicago-based Baxter Pharmaceutical sent deadly contaminated flu vaccine to multiple sub-contractor laboratories in multiple countries – to include , at minimum Czech Republic, Slovania, Austria, and Germany. Baxter's vaccine product was represented as H3N2 “seasonal flu” vaccine material – but this product that was somehow “accidentally” contaminated with the 30-80% deadly H5N1 'bird flu'. Theoretically, this could have caused a terrible global plague had this egregious mistake not been caught by a sub-sub-contractor called Biotest in the Czech Republic , who by a miracle decided to inject their animals, and noticed all their laboratory ferrets contracted lethal illness after testing Baxter's deadly vaccine material.


Here is the relevant Bloomberg article from Feb 24, 2009:

Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error

Feb. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Baxter International Inc. in Austria unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in three neighboring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease.

Again: Last year, Baxter sent out seasonal flu vaccine material to labs around the world , vaccine material which was somehow 'accidentally' mixed with deadly H5N1 bird flu! If humans had been inadvertently exposed to this vaccine material, they could have easily contracted fatal bird flu and potentially spread it to others, resulting in a lethal global pandemic. This should never have happened, but Baxter has offered no explanation for their actions, nor the sequence of events which resulted in this deadly incident – where restricted H5N1 bird flu virus somehow left their secure facilities ,and ended up in seasonal flu vaccine material. Insanity!

Here is a diagram of what actually happened:


Now again, this should NEVER happen, because these pathogens are normally handled under BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) procedures. Thirty-seven people at Biotest in the Czech Republic spent the month in quarantine because of Baxter's criminal idiocy. At the very least, Baxter's vaccine bird flu contamination was criminally negligent. No individuals at Baxter have been brought to justice for this potentially deadly incident.  

And this is not the last time you will find Baxter connected with deadly flu...






Given that I run in the Internet underworld, I do have the scoop on this interesting story. In August 2009, a patriot radio host (Dr. A True Ott) on Republic Broadcast Network (RBN) received a phone call from an unidentified man with a thick Middle-Eastern accent. The man claimed to have knowledge of a large Baxter production facility in Ukraine, which he claimed was involved in producing biological weapons – particularly in the form vaccines contaminated with biologically active RNA from the H5N1 virus (sound familiar?). See above. The man claimed Baxter would eventually provoke a lethal global flu pandemic.

Now, as a radio host, Dr. Ott gets a fair amount of random phone calls, so he took what was mentioned by this mysterious caller with a grain of salt. Now the man , who turned out to be Israeli virus scientist Dr. Joseph Moshe, asked Dr. Ott where he could turn in evidence – including documents – regarding Baxter's involvement in influenza weaponization programs, particularly through their Ukrainian production facility. Dr. Ott asked the man his location – to which the caller replied 'Southern California' – so Ott told the mysterious caller (Joseph Moshe) that he would be best off taking the documents to a US Attorney's office in downtown Los Angeles.

The VERY NEXT DAY the following televised standoff occurs in the parking lot outside the LA Federal Building. Microwave weapons. Tear gas robots. Swat Teams. The works. You have to watch the video to believe it. The media and Feds claimed Joseph Moshe made threats against the White House. Are you kidding me? I don't buy it. This guy was a threat to someone's agenda. Watch this video of the incredible level of force used against this unassuming Israeli plant scientist, and judge for yourself what you believe.

Incidentally, here is Joseph Moshe's biography.  

Moshe Bar Joseph, Prof. (Retiree)
Plant Protection, Plant Pathology and Weed Research
Research Interests / Job description
Telephone Tel: +97289350823
Cellphone Cell: +972509350823
Fax Fax: + 97289352826 
Office location: Bet Dagan
Dept of Plant Pathology and Weed Research
ARO, The Volcani Center
Bet Dagan 50250

Research Interests / Job description:

-Management and control of virus and virus like disease agents of subtropical fruit trees, with special emphasis on citrus.

-Certification programs, nursery propagation methods and modern cultivation practices of citrus & subtropical fruit trees.

-Eradication policies and practices of potentially epidemic disease agents of fruit trees.

-Phytoplasma, Spiroplasma and insect vectored disease agents of citrus and subtropical fruit trees

-Molecular characterization and evolution of Closteroviridae and of viroid disease agents.

-Methods of pathogen detection and elimination.

-Transgenic plants (citrus) and rapid propagation technologies.

1972 Ph.D. Hebrew University, Jerusalem

1984 Researcher, Grade A+ (equivalent to Professor, Dept of Virology, ARO, The Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
1983-1984 Head of Department of Plant Pathology, Volcani Cente
1995-1986 Head of Department of Plant Virology, Volcani Center

1994 -2004 Professor (Adjunct) Department of Life Sciences, Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva.
1996-1997 Scientific Director, The Gilat Experiment Station, Northern Negev.

1986-2004 Founder and Head of the S. Tolkowsky Laboratory for Citrus Disease Research. ARO, Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
2004, 1st of September, Retired Officially after 39.5 years of service.

Supervision of Graduate Students
Since 1982, I served as an independent supervisor of PhD students from the Faculty of Agriculture Rehovot, The Hebrew University , Jerusalem. In total 11 M.Sc. and 9 PhD.D. Students, have completed their degrees under my supervision.

1980 The Lee Hutchins award, The American Physiopathology Society
1996 Elected, Scientist of the Year, Agricultural Research Organization, Israel

Moshe hasn't been heard from him since this incident – we assume he is dead. The connections between Moshe, Baxter, Ukraine, biological weapons research, and influenza, and the overwhelming use of force (microwave weapons, etc) certainly gives me pause as to what is going on here. Moshe fingered Ukraine as the source of a potential outbreak in August 2009 – months before we see what appears to be the spread of a stronger more deadly flu strain in the country he named.  I suppose we are lucky that this time it does not involve Baxter's H5N1.





Anyone who carefully studies the world we live in , with an appetite for the truth and a discerning eye, will quickly realize we have been sold a false bill of goods. A pack of lies, if you will. The truth is, Governments are incredibly corrupt, and they are getting worse. Large Banks are criminal enterprises. Politicians are for show, and are generally bribed or blackmailed. There are only a handful of individuals who are not morally compromised.

When sufficient excavation of the facade of modern civilization is conducted, it becomes clear we are dealing with international money power – a global criminal syndicate consisting of corrupt multi-billionaires and their associates acting in their own criminal interests. Their objective is nothing less than to impose a form of neo-feudalism of the countries upon the world.

Sound hard to believe? Take a look at the actions of Bernanke, Paulson, or the SEC. These are the actions of individuals and institutions representing a corrupt purpose and objective, not simply academics who are incompetent. This same pattern of corruption we see in global finance is repeated across the board, from defense contractors to pharmaceutical companies.

Take a look at the resemblance of the current trend towards privatized profits and socialized losses. This is a business model that would fit quite well in Italy in 1933. We move closer and closer towards the model of global corporatism as international financiers consolidate their power and ownership through public-private monopolies. All that is missing is a new war. The plague is obviously on its way , whether sooner or later.

Ultimately , as we mentioned, the objective is global neo-feudalism and the destruction nation-states through various methods (war, poverty, famine, plague, etc). This is all crystal clear in Henry Kissinger's National Security Study Memo 200, which advocates forced depopulation of the third world in order to maintain the narrow political objectives of a corrupt elite. 

While their objectives are complex, their methods are much simpler.

Part of this policy is depopulation. Which is why we can expect war, disease, and famine in the coming years. This will not be blind chance. This will be political policy.



In this article, I attempted to review all aspects of a potential flu epidemic in Ukraine. There are various puzzle pieces which have accumulated, and I have attempted to paint a picture of a rather dark reality which many will not be familiar with. My objective is not to frighten anyone, but simply to force the hand of the global authorities towards a more sensible outcome through deliberate media exposure.

We appear to have a new strain of influenza in Ukraine-- but this is not the only possibility. A new strain of H1N1 influenza is simply the best explanation at this point in time. We may also be dealing with false statistics from the Ukrainian government coupled with rumors. There are other explanations as well. As we go forward, information will slowly become more available – outside the channels of criminal authorities, who know their time is short.

We must remember never to tolerate corruption and evil, lest it consume the beauty mankind has worked so hard to construct.





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espin.hkcs's picture

Narconon:Great article to know about flu.

heatbarrier's picture

Ukraine turmoil puts IMF loans in jeopardy
15 Nov 2009

Political in-fighting between the erstwhile heroes of Ukraine's pro-Western Orange Revolution has plunged the country into economic turmoil, derailing a crucial multi-billion dollar loan from the International Monetary Fund.

The country's biggest strategic companies are saddled with crippling debts, including the state gas company which has struggled to meet Russian gas payments, only just managing a $500m payment this month.

Meanwhile the global economic crisis has caused the country's budget deficit to balloon, its inefficient Soviet-era factories to stagger, and international rating agencies have rushed to downgrade their view of economic prospects. The national currency, the hryvnia, has plunged by 60 per cent in a year, foreign direct investment has slowed to a trickle, and bad bank loans have multiplied.

Anonymous's picture


I live in West Ukraine and I dont see anything going on here. The first week people were panicked and wore masks now everyone thinks its a sick joke the Ukraine Government is playing before elections in January.

Personally as Ive reported over at,
I think Ukraine is very close to default and swine flu and any epidemic is perfect to take the blame for the ensuing fallout from EU banks taking huge losses. If the lies work in Ukraine, then they will apply the same tactics in other regions of the world as they default in kind.

Honestly, I went to a hospital here today for a follow up visit from last week and it looked like a normal Ukraine hospital, like it did last week. I just dont see the sick and dieing people that the media is reporting about. Its like Im living in 1984 or something, real eerie.

Let me know how to contact you and I can give you my boots on the ground view.

Project Mayhem's picture

Thanks for the information.  If the reports from the Ukrainian government are accurate, it is probably too early to tell if we have an epidemic of a new strain.  The other question is the clinical attack rate (does the old strain offer immunity to the new strain)


Flu spreads in clusters. So it's not unusual for there to be areas with no disease, and areas of high concentration of disease.  Even small numbers of people contracting "total destruction of the lungs" is serious, even though it may not yet be obvious on the street.  Your report from a hospital interests me though.  Do doctors have anything to say?  What are the incidence of lung infection compared to normal etc?  Anyway, if the Ukrainian figures are accurate, about 1 in 40 are sick, and 1 in 800 are or were in the hospital.  I am curious about your report regarding the hospital being normal.  I know this is not the case in some hospitals in Belarus, which is experiencing as many as 20-30 patients dying per day in some hospitals from a new form of pneumonia.


It may be the situation is worse in Belarus.


Regardless, if this is a 'for real' problem , rather than Ukrainian government lies, then we can expect the epidemic will peak sometime in January to February.  Let's see what the results are out of Mill Hill , London if they ever decide to release the gene sequences.



Please contact me at project.mayhem.research [at] gmail [dot] com




report from a doctor in Belarus


"With influenza, we really Gestures. I have today is the first day off in the last 11 days. Minzdrav completely discredited the entire health care system of the country. As it turned out in Minsk did not even have some minimum stock of drugs (particularly Tamiflu, antibiotics, and so steep etc.). And when the hospital began to receive people with complete packets of pneumonia and almost dying in waiting area, doctors simply were unarmed.
 With mechanical ventilation (machines do not have enough, already used by those who gathered dust in basements for cheating) shot live only one patient. Our hospital is among the doctors called a "fever hospital" re-profiled in a continuous-communicable pneumo. All clinics Minsk stopped regular treatment inc. operation.  In the day 28-60 persons hospitalized with pneumonia and dies up to 8 people. I do not know how many died. All the young, there is even a 1986-87gg birth. And it still was not aware of infant mortality ..
Thank God, in this Monday (after 8-9 days after the beginning of the horror) in hospitals appeared Tamiflu. Packaging divides the chairman of the committee zdraovohraneniya personally. People etiotropic after the start of treatment for the eyes out of the crisis, the positive dynamics, even at 10 days after onset.What scum officials of Ministry of Health. On TV, media, etc. say that we have only 19 deaths in the country as a whole.  Sam can you imagine what level of deception, if only in our hospital of yesterday, there were 24 deaths."

Anonymous's picture

Also, I have a pastor friend here in my region that said his wife had to go comfort the wife of a man that died from the flu. My friend said that they did an autopsy on the dead man and found that his lungs were black like they had been burned.

As I dont believe this whole flu thing, but I trust my pastor friend. I have to say that either the hospital was ling about the black lungs or there may be some truth to the black lung reports. But so far I think there has only been a few of these black lung incidents reported. And again unless I can find someone to bribe to let me see the body and the lungs, theres no way for me to verify this.

Anonymous's picture

PM I agree,

There could be parts of west Ukraine that are experiencing it much worse than my area here where I live. But people travel a lot here by train and bus all over from city to city from bazaar to bazaar. There is no quarantine for travel. People are moving freely as they please. Believe me if they started locking down free movement I would be the first to pop-smoke and get the hell out, but no one seems afraid anymore, so I got to think that as people travel and use their cell phones and Inet to talk to relatives in other parts of the country they would really start to panic again if these media stories were true.

Before all this happened one of my reasons for coming to Ukraine was to get away from what the West had planned for its inhabitants such as monetary collapse, police states, and possible extermination. So Im not spreading disinformation. There is no serious flu or epidemic here as of now.

Sometimes psychology can be a pretty strong weapon and if they want to throw people into a real panic around the world they just have to tell some scary stories and show some scary pictures. Propaganda is amazing. Ive been to both Afghanistan and Iraq in the past couple years and have seen with my own eyes the Propaganda about both places in Western media and the reality on the ground.

Again, this whole thing may be real. But Im not seeing it yet. Also I cant comment on Belarus, as Ive never been there.

Personaly, I wont take the vaccine as I believe this whole thing is about the vaccine now. The flu is not real but the vaccine may be. The first person that comes near me with a vaccine in hand, is getting their teeth kicked in!

Anonymous's picture

I agree with what you said about traveling here in Ukraine. Many Ukrainians travel throughout the country by bus and train. Many Ukrainians also have relatives throughout the country and if there was a true pandemic the people here would know about it.

I'm currently living in Zaporozhye and there are NO problems here. Earlier I was in Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev and there were no problems there either. I'm traveling to Nikolaev later this week for a few days, my contacts there say all is good.

Intuition's picture

A trusted source with knowledge of the Ukraine tells me that school closures and bans on public gatherings are very common occurrences in the months leading up to any Ukranian election. Take it for what it's worth.

Anonymous's picture

In order to understand the flu epidemic in Ukraine, you must first understand the country better than you do. The high percentage of hospitalization DOES NOT mean that the flu in Ukraine is more severe than elsewhere. It is a reflection of public policy. Everyone who identified as infected by the flu virus, MUST go to the hospital to obtain Tamiflu. You cannot get a prescription from a private doctor, nor can you fill it in any druggist. The only people allowed to deal in Tamiflu are the hospitals.

You are also counted as being "hospitalized" as soon as you step foot in any hospital, even if you go home everyday. Unlike in the USA and Europe, you need not be in a hospital bed, to be "in the hospital" as far as Ukraine's statistics are concerned. Everyone who is not in the hospital does NOT have a confirmed case of flu and IS NOT being treated by Tamiflu. They are probably treating themselves with hot tea and honey, and that's it. They may or may not have the technical flu. Many may simply have a bad cold. We cannot really know, as I said, because people with confirmed flu MUST go the hospital, and, once they are there, even if they leave an hour later, they are considered "in the hospital" until the hospital-doctor's (who is the only source of Tamiflu) treatment course.

I do not wish to make light of the situation. We do have a lot of flu floating about, and it is a very serious public health problem. However, it is not as dire or diabolical as you seem to think.

Anonymous's picture

In order to understand the flu epidemic in Ukraine, you must first understand the country better than you do. The high percentage of hospitalization DOES NOT mean that the flu in Ukraine is more severe than elsewhere. It is a reflection of public policy. Everyone who identified as infected by the flu virus, MUST go to the hospital to obtain Tamiflu. You cannot get a prescription from a private doctor, nor can you fill it in any druggist. The only people allowed to deal in Tamiflu are the hospitals.

You are also counted as being "hospitalized" as soon as you step foot in any hospital, even if you go home everyday. Unlike in the USA and Europe, you need not be in a hospital bed, to be "in the hospital" as far as Ukraine's statistics are concerned. Everyone who is not in the hospital does NOT have a confirmed case of flu and IS NOT being treated by Tamiflu. They are probably treating themselves with hot tea and honey, and that's it. They may or may not have the technical flu. Many may simply have a bad cold. We cannot really know, as I said, because people with confirmed flu MUST go the hospital, and, once they are there, even if they leave an hour later, they are considered "in the hospital" until the hospital-doctor's (who is the only source of Tamiflu) treatment course.

I do not wish to make light of the situation. We do have a lot of flu floating about, and it is a very serious public health problem. However, it is not as dire or diabolical as you seem to think.

KeyserSöze's picture

Now THAT is "DUE PROCESS" .... Marla?




Anonymous's picture

OK, for the most part of the article by Mr. Mayhem, it was a well written collection of data.

Of course, anyone who cites Lew Rockwell as a valid data source, immediately becomes suspect....

However, generally speaking, most of the DATA and events he presents is correct.

I disagree with his analysis though, and his data charts are constructed to make the story look worse than it really is...

Ukraine is Mexico redux.

Just as in Mexico, a lot of deaths and infections out of the gate, and then a big fizzle.... A lot of panic and reports of doctors dead, and reports of long lines in hospitals, and then a big fizzle....

Let's look at the data and see if we can find a different interpretation.
1. A million infections. One of the reasons that since the beginning I have consistently maintained a CFR of only .006 to .0006% death rate from this bug, is because in America, we vastly, vastly, vastly underreported the mild cases. Yet we know from stories all from the beginning that the bug was wildly contagious, because of he reports from schools that high numbers of absenteeism occurred. In the case of the Ukraine, instead of this being a different bug, I submit that they are counting anyone who reports an ILI, unlike in the US where from the beginning, they only reported those who went to a doctor (say 5% of cases) those who got a test (say 5% of those) and those who tested positive (say 20% of those). Huge differences of methodology explains the "rapid" number of infections.

2. 75,000 hospitalized. This number is concerning, because Mr Mayhem is correct that based upon US and ROW experience, 7 - 10% of those hospitalized die from influenza. I've checked various primary Ukrainian sources and have been assured that in the Ukraine, culturally, getting admitted to a hospital for an ingrown toenail is not inconceivable. So while I admit that applying a 10% fatality rate to 75,000 WILL give us an incredibly high CFR for the Ukraine, I wait to see if in reality we do get as many deaths as that. The next two weeks will tell.

3. 300 dead. This figure is not out of line given the lack of tamiflu, presence of co-factors such as poverty, and a general lack of extreme medical care, money no object, based in the US.

As additional analysis: If Mr Mayhem's analysis is correct, and this has high infectivity and high "true seriousness" and high deaths, we would have seen by now a collapse in medical care as primary doctors and nurses would see their colleagues keel over and up to 40% (based upon previous multiple surveys of health care professionals) would have been calling in sick. We have not seen this behaviour.

His "infection" plots: Hell, if I graphed the number of time I have taken a shit over my life, you would also see a continuing upward trend of the graph. He damages his assertions by using such a sophomoric plotting ploy. The only real good data analysis is to view a chart showing new infections, new admissions, and new deaths by day, week, or month. In that case, we can already see declines in the rate of change. Or in the case of my bowel movements, we will see a remarkably flat pattern over time, with spikes that correlate well with overbinging on alcohol, food poisoning episodes, and periods of sickness.

The rest of his stuff is tin foil rants that we have seen and debunked before.

1. Genetically engineered virus. Puhlease. Mother nature is quite capable of creating her own doomsday virus herself, thank you very much. Nothing new here in his arguments.

2.WHO is a criminal organization backed by globalists wanting to reduce world population. Puhlease.. How about WHO is a politically connected bureaucracy who's money and mission is abused by graft and incompetence and political infighting. And it suffers from the same problems as the CDC, namely trying to massage the story in the name of "not panicking" the people.

3. Silence in the MSM. Got me there. But I submit the silence is due to the very real control of stories that are "sensational" due to # 2 above.

4. Spraying of flu - Pretty stupid way of spreading a virus. How about just misting in a public subway? Flu is rapidly inactivated by sunlight. We're talking minutes here.

5. Baxter is trying to kill us for fun and profit. It was either a lab accident (most probable) or my favorite tin theory that a muslim lab worker did it on purpose as a terrorist act. Much more plausible and would also be denied by the powers that be.

6. Joseph Moshe - Now this is the best of the best tin in the last 20 years, and I am just as intrigued as the poster, Mr. Mayhem. Hey, we all here went round and round about the 132 Billion bearer bond stories, happened two times in fact, and only the tin foil explanation that it was true made any sense. With the data we have, in this case of Joseph Moshe, the tin foil explanation makes sense too, and why, of all the other stuff has a logical explanation, this story has no logical explanation and I am open to the tin foil one.

7. Secret cabal of one worlders and gasp! Kissinger. Sorry, favorite boogieman de jure.

tip e. canoe's picture

agreed on the moshe story...that's some crazy tin, almost too crazy to be tin.

looks the good doctor has a court date on 01/25/2010.

let's see if he shows up.

(and my friends wonder why i don't go to the cinema anymore.  no screenwriter alive could dream up a SWAT team firing canisters of teargas into a clown car and have absolutely no effect on the driver.) 

Anonymous's picture

Well...Praise God!....For He always keeps His promises! He has said ..."I will call for a sword upon ALL the inhabitants"...and "If my people will humble themselves and pray and seek My Face...turn from their evil ways...." I am so at Peace because as Paul said.."For me to live is die is GAIN!!!

Sigma O's picture

It's a highly serious situation in Ukraine right now, see the proof here.

Anonymous's picture

Nice prostitutes. Told ya. Promiscuous lifestyles spread numerous viruses.

MsCreant's picture

Edit: Had a joke here, decided I no longer wanted to contribute to minimizing the Ukraine story.

Gordon_Gekko's picture

EXCELLENT job PM. The fact that governments are involved in such a criminal enterprise is not surprising at all.

Anonymous's picture

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Anonymous's picture

You better be fucking with me.

Anonymous's picture

flu scare in Ukraine translates easily into 1) $ of foreign aid, 2) control by UN, WHO and NATO 3) prompt Russian response. In that order. Film at eleven.

delacroix's picture

I got this bug a few months ago, and I was the sickest I've ever been. I thought I had gotten through the worst of it, but I just kept getting weaker. finally my daughter took me to the hospital.what ended up bringing me back was forcing myself to eat cup-o-noodles and gatorade. all the hospital did was give me potassium. it was another few weeks before I could go back to work. I was scared, when you're that sick, you wonder if it might kill you. I've seen the planes doing aerial spraying above my area in so. cal I don't know what it is, and they're not telling. also the h1n1 swine flu virus is composed of segments of various other strains, that most assuredly do not occur naturally.

gatopeich's picture

Really got that? Then I am glad you got through.

May I ask where do you live?

Any first person testimony from Ukraine?

Girlfriend works with kids, so she falls in almost every single new epidemic. I am concerned about a 'big one' coming.

JacksWastedLife's picture

Sure! In KGB lab in Moscow and financed with Gazprom's bloody money!

heatbarrier's picture

Real or manufactured, it makes a Black Swan event from Eastern Europe more likely.

Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Ukraine’s economy contracted 15.9 percent last quarter, extending the former Soviet state’s decline, as political wrangling stalled the payment of bailout funds needed to keep the country afloat.

“Although the rate of decline of GDP is slowing, non- performing loans continue to grow,” Moody’s Investors Service said on Oct. 14. “Susceptibility to event risk that would lead to a multi-notch downgrade is assessed as high.” Moody’s rates Ukraine B2, while Fitch ranks the sovereign’s debt B-. Standard & Poor’s rates Ukraine CCC+. The three services’ ratings range between five and seven notches below investment grade.

Anonymous's picture

I haved lived in Kiev all life. At fist there was much panic and misunderstand. But now all is well. The flu is not reall. It is just a hoax of political reason. No worries:) We all are laughing at press!

Actually, I live in America; never been to the Ukraine; but that doesn't stop me from getting on blogs and posting whatever bullshit I want. Don't believe everything you read, one way or the other, but keep reading nonetheless.

MsCreant's picture

It can be the economy collapsing or not, gold going up or down, dollar, flu, any of it. We all have to sort through bullshit and make up our minds. Even if PM is being duped, it is still a starting place in a conversation that needs to happen.  If he is a dupe, he is a victim of professional liars, like all of us have been. If he is correct, take on supplies, pick up our anchors, and let's get out of Port fast.

And the truth may be in the middle, there is an outbreak, it could get bad but it is not bad now, and their press is amping it up for effect.

I'm glad PM brought it to our attention, even if he ends up wrong.  It does not have to be all or nothing. Truth is much weirder than on or off.

Howard_Beale's picture


Please read my post above. I am a little better now AND a bit pissed when people do not believe this is a serious bug with life threatening implications. I am 51 and very sick. My 10 year old daughter had to be hospitalized with swine. My 6'2" very strong 27 year son on the west coast was crying after 9 days and still not feeling better a few weeks ago. He has recovered. None of us are dead. I am perhaps at the highest risk due to other medical complications--but for the flu to be at the levels it is at now on November 16th is significant. My sister is a scientist at UM medical school and kids are dropping like flies. This is not your normal flu season. It will stop commerce.

When I went to the hospital for my swabbing they told me to stop nowhere and get home. I guess the 103 temp at the time tipped em off. But it's this simple--whether this is cyclical pandemic or some other ilk, my family has been hit hard. I am so tired of people saying it is over-hyped. I was in Toronto and left the house once in 3 weeks (I have a serious leg injury) and two days later I was toast. I have had the flu many times in my life but nothing comes close to this and all of you that haven't had this one should be grateful.

MsCreant's picture

I remember when you took off with a medical issue and I said bye and good luck and no pity (you didn't want it), just get back to us.

Two kids in my son's school system died of swine. They both had other infections. My 14 year old son had something that relapsed (I could not sleep through a night, it was like having to wake up every two hours with a new baby again). It got bad when we did not have him on Acetaminophen. My husband (couple years older than you, body builder/vitamin poppin' never gets sick fitness type) was slammed with something that wracked his body with pain and fever and painful cough. He had NEVER been that sick before. He would not go to the doc, but we got through it.  I was prepped out to the gills because of my tinhat sites. Still am. At work I sat 6 feet from the table for committee meetings as per policy when you have sick family. I have missed some work because of sick family members. Me, the one who catches everything, nursed everyone, I did NOT get sick. Go figure.

I believe you. I think there is something different happening. I understand your anger. I also understand the anger of someone who might really be in the Ukraine, seeing nothing and reading all this disinformation. I actually believe both, though the Anon in the Ukraine would be easy to spoof. Howard Beale, not so much.

No dis, Howard, just keeping an open mind.

Anonymous's picture

You don't believe me?

Email me at percolator469 at yahoo dot com and I'll put you in contact with my friends and business associates who will tell you the truth about what is happening here.

Or better yet, get on a plane and come over and see for yourself which is what PM should have done before reporting spreading these lies.

Anonymous's picture

I thought they revoked Rebecca Carley's license back in 2003?

MinnesotaNice's picture

I think she lives in New York state... and is not listed as having a license to practice as a physician.  Bio information includes: 

Dr. Carley no longer “practices medicine”, but instead teaches clients nationally and internationally how to reverse their diseases using the Hippocrates protocol she developed. She also goes into the hospital as a patient advocate for clients who are not satisfied with the care their loved ones are receiving.

MsCreant's picture

Folks, either outcome, the government suppressing or the government making it up, the case of Ukrane is worth our consideration.

We need to find out the truth.

Anonymous's picture

I'll tell you the truth MsCreant.

PM's post is pure bullsh!t. How do I know?

I'm living in the Ukraine right now and currently there is absolutely no threat of a deadly flu spreading across Ukraine wiping out Eastern Europe.

PM is just reporting the lies that the gov't here is telling its people to scare them.

Its all politics with the elections coming up in January and a way to get financial aid.

Gordon_Gekko's picture

How do we know you are, in fact, a Ukraine resident and not a misinformation spreading government minion?

Anonymous's picture

I'm a US citizen, currently living in Zaporozhye.

Email me at percolator469 (at) yahoo (dot) com, I'll put you in contact with some of my friends and business associates here and they'll be happy to tell you the truth.

Or better get yourself on a plane and come here and see first hand, something PM should have done before spreading these lies.

MinnesotaNice's picture

Thanks for contributing anon... it is nice to have feet on the ground... to see what is actually going on...

Anonymous's picture

Oh yes, indeed.

I vote the you should be our supreme leader.

The President of Naïveté.

(Polls close at midnight, you are running unopposed).

Bear's picture

Just shorted CCL ... feel free to join me.

Bruce Krasting's picture

Population of the Ukraine = 46mm. So 1.4mm sick is = 3% of the population. Not a pandemic. Pandemic would be when we get to 20%.

US cases now at 22m over the last 6 months. That is 6%. A much larger number.

The business in the Ukraine is about politics, not the numbers.

jbt6561's picture

anyone want to run a linear regression model on the correlation between the daily returns on the s&p and the cases of h1n1 in Kiev?

Anonymous's picture

hey maheim. come on now man. seriously. what is wrong with killing several more million white people in the ukraine? heck, its not like they have never done it before...

EQ's picture

Another clown post.  If this is legitimate, it is a business impact analysis.  Running these types of scenarios to plan for business continuity is a regular practice for mature organizations.  Running a scenario where one considers a 100% chance of a pandemic means what?  That IBM was planning for potential disasters.  This shows nothing of conspiracy.

EQ's picture

This is another dubious post from ZH.  The site was much better when it was just Tyler Durden(s) and you were focused on topics you well understood.  This is nothing more than mania driven by a factless article that never should have been posted.  It's author may turn out to be onto something but given he surely isn't a flu researcher or even a medical scientist, it's more than likely just paparazzi fueling the idiocy of the mob.  And that is really who posts comments on here anymore.  Clowns.


It's time you get back to fundamentals and what you were good at.  You are diluting your legitimacy.  For what reasons I don't know.  Ad profits from the site?

NRGTDR's picture

IMO: ZH welcomes out of the box thinking as do I. People here are always looking for a non-herd/MSM edge with the ultimate goal of seeking truth. At least there is an original thought or idea here daily. Fundamentals? It's pretty obvious fundamentally where the world is and will be soon. If anything, reading ZH over the last months should have helped you on that immensely and quite frankly, we are past the point of no return, as is the nature of the fiat system. So.......may you profit from an idea or bit of information you find here but most importantly prepare wisely. 

EQ's picture

Don't be an idiot. Out of the box thinking? Johnny Cochran was good at out of the box thinking. Making shit up is what it was called in the courtroom. I can pull just about any out of the box thinking out of my arse that my vivid imagination can imagine. And, that is what this post is. Out of the box thinking that is supported by scientific fact, incontrovertible evidence or, worst case, some god forsaken amount of legitimacy would be quite appropriate. Eh? This is mob-fanning stupidity.

Gordon_Gekko's picture

What are you doing here government minion?

EQ's picture

Keeping the monkeys like you from running the zoo.