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Deadly flu spreads across Ukraine

Deadly flu continues to spread across Ukraine, criminal World Health Organization lies to the public, MSM maintains radio silence.

There are many aspects to this story. It is impossible to know where to begin -- let alone cover all the pertinent facts in just one article. Those who have followed my Zerohedge columns in the past may be aware the subject of pandemic influenza has been a regular feature, precisely because there have been multiple signs indicating a global pandemic would be exploited (and perhaps even initiated) by governments and international banks for political purposes.

 

The signs have been building, including as I previously reported, forced quarantine orders inadvertently published by the CDC. What do these people know which the public does not?

SUMMARY

 

Over the past two weeks, what appears to be a particularly virulent form of the flu has been spreading in Ukraine and adjacent Eastern European countries. This new flu is, in my opinion, a lethal new strain which has mutated (or was released). I speak with a background in virology. This new mutated flu virus appears to have a remarkable affinity for the lungs and is causing deaths to a much higher extent than the previous swine flu. Something in the virus has changed. I have covered this incredibly important story for two weeks now in my weekly column This Week In Mayhem, which is generally published on Monday mornings.

 

Regardless, there has been almost zero (NOTHING. NADA. SILENCE.) mention of the Ukraine epidemic in the mainstream media, a fact which I find both astonishing and profoundly disturbing. There is apparently collusion at the highest levels of government and media to suppress this information. There are now 1.3 million infected in Ukraine, and over 75,000 hospitalized -- IN FOURTEEN DAYS. This is very serious! Based on previous clinical data we can expect over 8,000 to be dead or soon to be dead. Forward projection of the epidemic is difficult because the clinical attack rate is unknown  -- but myself and my associates remain concerned it may be quite high. Deaths globally may be in the millions. Let's hope this is not the case.


An example of viral pneumonia.   Yeah, fail.

The new flu strain, which I contend is spreading in Ukraine and Belarus, is characterized by a lightning form of viral pneumonia -- very similar to what happened in 1918. The new flu virus appears to have profound tissue affinity for sialic acid receptors deep in the lungs, replicating in the alveoli. To put it mildly, the lungs fill with blood.  Quotes from Ukrainian officials included quotes such as "total destruction of the lungs." Ukrainian Doctor Viktor Bachinsky has stated, "The virus causing the deaths is extremely aggressive -- it doesn't first infect the throat (as is common in flu), but strikes the lungs directly."   In Ukraine's western Chernovetsky region, an epicenter of the outbreak, doctors have said lab tests showed at least some of the fatalties appeared to be caused by a flu dissimilar to both common flu and swine flu.  In other words, a mutant flu.  This claim of a 'mutant flu' has been echoed by Ukrainian public health officials such as Dr. Vasyl Lazoryshynetz.  Unfortunately, as noted in the above Russia Today video, pharmacies across the country are sold out of antivirals. To the hard of thinking -- yes, this is currently happening in Ukraine.

 

I have multiple sources confirming spot outbreaks of viral pneumonia in Eastern Europe, including official and non-official entities.  In terms of the current situation, there appear to be a high number of pneumonia patients in Ukrainian and Belerusian hospitals.  This epidemic has not shut down Ukrainian society yet, but it has caused many people to become concerned, and to buy up essential medicines.  Reports from doctors in Belarus indicate they do not expect this deadly new flu epidemic to peak until Christmas or later.  This is why it is important to analyze the situation and viral genetics now, and if necessary, contain the spread of the virus while it is still possible -- something the criminals at WHO do not appear interested in doing. These idiots at WHO have yet to release the viral gene sequences (even though they have had them for two weeks), and are now outright lying in their press releases, which I detail later. In terms of how dangerous this new flu strain could potentially be, I conducted a rough analysis of the Ukrainian government statistics, yielding a projected case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.61% -- over six times as lethal as seasonal flu.  

Lastly, there are signs the virus is genetic engineered.

 

 

 

 

 

DATA FROM THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT

The Ukrainian government has been releasing daily data updates on the numbers of "acute respiratory infections" , the number of related hospitalizations , and the number of deaths since Oct 28, 2009.  These reported numbers have increased substantially over the past two weeks, from near zero before Halloween to over a million as of today. It is important to remember that these statistics are not laboratory confirmed H1N1 cases (due to the state of the Ukrainian medical system), but we can cautiously assume at this point the vast majority of ARI (acute respiratory infection) in Ukraine with rapid progression to viral pneumonia are caused by influenza A virus. This is because a large subset of these samples are coming up positive of Influenza A, and a smaller subset tested by rt-rtPCR are coming up positive for influenza A/H1N1, or what is more commonly known as 'swine flu'. This suggests we are dealing with a viral epidemic of influenza.

 

 

This is not 'swine flu' as previously known. Statistically, the only way for this to be 'swine flu' is if it has mutated (or if the data is wrong). . . We will get to that in a minute.

As I mentioned , this data comes directly from the Ukrainian government. In the past two weeks, ARI have gone from near zero before Halloween to affecting 1.3 million Ukrainians. Over a million people are currently sick with probable H1N1. More importantly, there are over 75,000 total hospitalized at the time of the writing of this article, Monday 11/16. Based on these two figures (75,000 / 1.3 million), approximately 5.6% of those infected with this new ARI end up at the hospital. This is the critical statistic which allows us to estimate how f*cked we actually might be.

 

 

Officially, there are 299 deaths, but a realistic estimate shows this is easily one order of magnitude too low. Realistically deaths are between 2,000 - 8,000 people from this probable new strain of the flu -- so far. The number of dead is sure to rise dramatically, as we are only two weeks into this new epidemic. Which brings us to our estimation of the case fatality rate (CFR).   Again, I would love to be wrong about this.  Let's hope I am.

 


ZH ESTIMATION OF THE CASE FATALITY RATE

The current American strain 'swine flu' has a case fatality rate (CFR) of 0.1% or less. Seasonal flu has a CFR of 0.1%. The 1957 pandemic had a case fatality rate of 0.5%. The deadly 1918 pandemic had a CFR of 2 - 5%. Based on the Ukrainian government statistics, the new mutated Ukrainian flu has a CFR of 0.61% or higher -- that is, 6.1x as lethal as seasonal flu , perhaps more.  Perhaps less if our assumptions are wrong.

We arrive at the 0.61% CFR statistic based on the number of hospitalizations in Ukraine vs. the number of infections. This estimate is only as good as the underlying data, but I have confidence it is in the ball-park (order of magnitude). I consider the official reported number of deaths (299) to be unreliable for political reasons. No one wants to be the country with the lethal flu. Doctors, especially those in Belarus (which is a dictatorship) feel strong administrative pressure to label influenza viral pneumonia deaths as something else, for example cardiac failure. Thus , ARI hospitalizations are the more reliable indicator for what is happening on the ground.  Deaths can be implied from hospitalization statistics, assuming we are dealing with a form of H1N1 influenza.

Last week, the medical journal the Lancet published a meta-analysis of the (old) swine flu confirming a JAMA report that approximately 11% of hospitalized patients who had contracted the (old) swine flu died.  We will use this 11% figure as our "middle case".  The official government reported deaths (299) are considered “best case”. For a "worst case" estimate, we can assume that 25% of hospitalized flu patients will eventually die. We can use these 11% and 25% statistics to estimate the case fatality rate of the Ukrainian flu. The method is as follows:

To calculate the "middle case" and infer fatalities, we take 0.11 (11%, the figure from the JAMA) and multiply it by the number of Ukrainian hospitalizations on a particular date, to yield the expected number of ultimate fatalities. This method assumes the vast majority of reported ARI are from H1N1 swine flu. Using the November 15th data, this gives us 8345 expected fatalities. We take the number of expected fatalities and divide this into the total number who are estimated to be infected on the same particular data point (Nov 15). So 8345 deaths / 1.36 million infections , which yields the case fatality rate, which in this case is 0.61%. Obviously this is a rough estimate, but it is probably within an order of magnitude of the real CFR.

Assumptions for this model:
1) The vast majority of reported Ukrainian ARI are some form of H1N1 flu.
2) The data from the Ukrainian government for infections and hospitalizations is reliable and is not 'massaged' for political purposes.

Implications of this model:
1) If A1 and A2 are true, then statistically speaking we must be dealing with mutated H1N1 influenza (mutated 'swine flu').

In any case, this estimated CFR for Ukrainian flu is over six times higher than seasonal flu. Not good.  Let's hope this is wrong. Our "worst case" 25% estimate gives a CFR of 1.39%, enough to eventually shut down commerce and society across the planet -- but fortunately it is likely this "worst case" estimate is far off the mark. For our estimates here, including the CFR estimate of 0.61% using the data from the JAMA -- supposing this estimate was purely based on Ukrainian government statistics, we could consider such an arbitrarily high Case Fatality Rate unreliable , and the product of bad data.  However, in the context of multiple reports from individuals as well as state health authorities of MANY cases of viral pneumonia and thousands of patients in intensive care in Belarus and Ukraine, we consider this CFR estimate to make much more sense. That is, it fits the data on the ground of a worsening flu pandemic with a tendency towards viral pneumonia.

The old swine flu did not cause viral pneumonia, generally speaking. The new apparently mutated swine flu does, to an extent orders of magnitude higher. Thus , there must have been changes to the receptor binding domain , among other genes (perhaps PA, PB2, and NS1).

 

 

 

 

CRIMINAL BEHAVIOUR OF THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION 

I am not fond of the World Health Organization. In my opinion, it is a tool of corrupt billionaire international financiers with which to achieve their dark global geopolitical objectives in the area of public health. These objectives are rarely in the public interest. We could spend paragraphs discussing deep corruption at WHO. One important point to remember is their obvious complicity and criminal cover-up regarding MMR vaccine contamination with Avian Leukosis Virus (ALV) , which may induce cancer.

The point here regarding WHO and the potential outbreak Ukraine is several:

-WHO has yet to release the gene sequences of the Ukrainian flu, despite possessing them for almost two weeks. They have also had a “team” on the ground in Lviv for a similar period of time. Where are the flipping gene sequences? The WHO has claimed there are no “big” mutations in the flu strain (apparently ruling out a viral reassortant), but has so far refused to release the Ukrainian flu gene sequences to the Internet community for analysis. This is reprehensible. What are these people doing? The world could know very quickly what we were dealing with if this genetic data was published, but instead it's being kept secret for whatever ulterior motives the WHO is operating under.

-WHO issued a press release on Friday which contained the following astonishing quote, bordering on deception.

“Because of a sharp rise in pandemic influenza cases one week ago in Ukraine, the Ministry of Health requested assistance from WHO European Regional Office to evaluate and respond. The initial analysis of information indicates that the numbers of severe cases do not appear to be excessive when compared to the experience of other countries and do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.”

Okay, let's see: Ukraine asked WHO to respond. WHO sent a team to Lviv. So far so good, despite the missing gene sequences. Now wait, what? The WHO publishes their all-star analysis... “The number of severe cases do not appear to be excessive”? Are you kidding me? Please explain how 75,000 hospitalizations in two weeks is not 'excessive'? And how all the pharmacies sold out of antivirals? And how Ukraine is under de-facto martial law? And that Yushenko gave a prime-time speech more or less threatening political dissidents if they don't follow government orders? Or that school in Ukraine is canceled for three weeks? Half the country under quarantine? Hospitals seeing a surge of viral pneumonia patients? What gives? Are these people at WHO retarded or are they criminals?

Oh and of course the gem of this press release by WHO: That “[ the numbers of severe cases ] do not represent any change in the transmission or virulence of the virus.” Hahahaa! You are going to tell me that Ukraine went from two cases to 1.3 million cases in 14 days , and that doesn't represent any change in transmission? Is this supposed to be a joke? These pharmaceutical crooks damn well better explain themselves if you are going to make claims so obviously contrary to reality. Does the WHO contend the Ukrainian government just pulling these figures out of the air? What of the case reports of rapidly deteriorating viral pneumonia in Belarus, Ukraine, and Romania? What is causing this? What about the statements from Ukrainian health officials that we have a new flu strain? On what data are WHO basing these preposterous claims, which fly in the face of reality and common sense? Why not release the Ukrainian gene sequences? There is an obvious spike in mortality and pneumonia – why? Does WHO contend this is another pathogen besides influenza? If so, what? Honestly, this statement issued Friday November 13th from WHO is so obviously full of lies I really don't even have to comment; anyone with a brain can see they are not telling us the truth.  

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_11_13/en/index.html

-WHO dodges questions from Bloomberg and Sun Media regarding a mutation in Ukrainian flu during last weeks press conference.

Phil Serafino, Bloomberg: Dr Shindo........I have a second question also which may not be your area of expertise but have you heard anything about the mutation of the virus or has it changed at all - are we looking at anything different than a few months ago?

Dr Shindo /WHO: Well, I can answer that question first. The virus is quite stable. It hasn't changed........

Joseph: This is Joseph from Kuala Lumpur - I am from the Sun Media......I just want to ask whether or not any slight mutation even a drift variant has been noticed so far?

Dr Shindo / WHO: Amazingly this virus is very stable and part of the reason, virologists (are saying) is because of the lack of pre-existing immunity in population so that virus doesn't have to mutate to escape from people's immunity. So it's quite stable.

What a joke! You'd think these fools at WHO were politicians , rather than doctors! Twice, the WHO official dodges questions from reporters (Bloomberg nonetheless!) on whether we are dealing with a critical new mutation in Ukraine sequences responsible for higher lethality and infectivity. Unbelievable. Again, I suggest these actions by WHO, taken in concert, are more akin to the actions of a criminal syndicate than to a global public health service. Lies and evasion. Stonewalling. Is this how we expect public servants to behave, especially on time-crucial issues upon which millions of lives depend? Unfortunately this is par for the course. Perhaps we should re-evaluate our conception of the world in which we live. hint: it is so incredibly corrupt, it defies man's imagination.

-Someone personally contacted WHO asking point-blanc , “Is there a critical mutation in this flu in Eastern Europe” and was met with silence.

The above speaks for itself. I was made aware of this contact through a phone conversation with a journalist from globalresearch.ca.

 

 

 

SILENCE IN THE MSM 

I have mentioned the silence in the MSM on this issue. The only significant story I have noted was a story in Bloomberg. The NYT jumped on the bandwagon last Friday with a garbage fluff piece not addressing the critical questions. Furthermore, prior to these two articles, all MSM stories regarding Ukraine and flu were focusing on the internal political rivalry , rather than the rapid increase in infections and hospitalizations. My opinion here is that the MSM has been deliberately ignoring this story, as well as spinning it as “insignificant” by framing it as foreign politics rather than public health.

Instead, we see the usual MSM flu garbage about getting vaccinated (but of course no mention of vaccine contamination), about children getting sick, about pet cats catching the flu, and so on. The hype machine is still running 24/7. So where were the stories on Ukraine? What gives? Judging by all the ridiculous swine flu scare stories we've been hearing since past Spring , you'd think the mass media would jump all over the opportunity to scare the hell out of the public with the potential emergence of a new strain?  But instead, silence. 

 

THE VIRUS MAY BE GENETIC ENGINEERED 

I mentioned this before, I will embed the genetics image once again.

 

The swine flu virus is a triple-triple-reassortant , with the earlier triple-reassortant being approximately one decade old. The new H1N1 ('swine flu') emerged out of nowhere, out of season in Mexico, and went on to infect many people out of season in Spring 2009. The virus was fit and transmissible from the start – there was no detection of sporadic community outbreaks prior to the replication coefficient exceeding 1.0, resulting in sustained transmission. So this virus emerged ready to go – whether from genetic engineering, or from natural selection. However, no farm or wild swine herd has been identified which served as the reservoir for original Mexico City outbreak. The “patient zero” so-hyped by CNN – a 5-year old boy from La Gloria, Mexico – supposedly contracted the infection from a swine factory farm 80km away. This, we are supposed to believe, even though the virus was not identified in any pigs at the factory farm. So no source has yet been identified. The origins remain mysterious.

While a triple-reassortant flu is not uncommon, in the context of other information , geopolitical , economic , and scientific, the emergence of the original swine flu is extraordinarily suspect. The potential virulent reemergence is Ukraine after aerosol spraying is even more suspect. The H1N1 virus contains genes from multiple flu viruses – three to be precise. These three flu viruses which comprise 'swine flu' are from multiple continents. Furthermore, a total off 4-8% of the RNA (genetic material) is entirely new, with no known match in the public gene databases. The RNA polymerase in this flu is extra-ordinarily error prone according to the University of Edinburgh, multiple times the error rate of seasonal flus. Furthermore, the RNA polymerase is comprised of a bird-human-pig hybrid protein trimer from an earlier H3N2 triple-reassortant. This may be partly responsible for its ability to easily bridge across species. According to Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, for this virus to emerge naturally, swine would have had to pass through quarantine twice in order to acquire the necessary genetics. Once from America to Asia , with a wait time in quarantine, and then back again from Asia to America, once again with a wait time through quarantine to America. Of course, this does not even include the pig getting the necessary flu triple coinfection after making ,its journey around the world. Even after this may have hypothetically occurred, the emergent virus was suddenly evolutionarily fit to spread in pigs, yet also genetically fit to spread in humans, yet also acquiring the necessary host-to-host contact between man and pig. If this was so, why was this not detected in any swine in Mexico prior to humans spreading the virus back to their herds? This suggests the virus emerged in humans first, prior to swine, which would indicate potential genetic engineering.

 Lastly , comments from Dr. Adrian Gibbs, co-creator of Tamiflu, suggest a laboratory origin for this virus. Dr. Gibbs was very courageous to state this opinion despite the mass media brainwashing to the contrary. Gibbs suggested the emergence was unintentional, but I do not believe that to be the case. Many powerful players stand to benefit from the emergence of a pandemic , especially one with the 'genetic history' necessary to establish plausible deniability on the occasion the virus 'spontaneously' becomes more virulent. A short list of of such entities and their potential objectives is provided in the second-to-last section of this article. For further research regarding the emergence of swine flu ,its genetic structure, and potential players involved, I suggest reviewing the work of Bill Sardi, who has his papers published on Lew Rockwell.com.

Where Did the H1N1 Late-2009 Flu Season Virus Come From?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi122.html

Why Isn’t the H1N1 Pandemic Flu Being Investigated as a Designed Bioweapon?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi133.html

Bill Sardi Archives
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi-arch.html

Co-creator of Tamiflu says 'swine flu' was created in a lab
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=94664&sectionid=3510210

 

US ARMY INSTITUTE OF MOLECULAR PATHOLOGY RESURRECTS PANDEMIC VIRUSES 

Some may not be aware, but our government has spent immense amounts of money resurrecting the deadly 1918 flu virus which killed millions of people. This terrible plague was lost to history – prior to the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army Institute of Molecular Pathology. Approximately one decade ago, teams affiliated with the US government began digging up deceased individuals who were preserved in the Alaskan permafrost – individuals who died from the previously-extinct lethal flu from 1918. The fragments of viral RNA were combined from various dead bodies, in order to get the full spectrum of genetic material necessary to rebuild the deadly 1918 virus. These mad scientists used OUR TAX MONEY to sequence the RNA from a constellation of genes belonging to this extraordinary lethal flu, in order to reconstruct it. Once the entire deadly 1918 virus was sequenced, it was reconstructed from scratch using the process of reverse-genetics, and then active reconstructed 1918 viral particles were inoculated into animals – including primates --in order to study their incredibly 'lethal' effects and destruction of lung tissue. The government has spent a huge amount of money on programs closely related to weaponization of influenza.

Multiple studies were published by the US Army / Ft. Dietrick team, with most articles with abstracts freely accessible in NIH Pubmed, and many co-authored by Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger at the US Army BSL3/BSL4 (Biosafety Level 3/4) laboratories. One of these studies involved comparing the X-ray crystal structure of the 1918 virus hemaglutinin to H5N1 (bird flu) hemaglutinin, which is a curious topic to study, unless you are attempting to create lethal pandemic flu. This is stepping so close to biological weapons research I am astonished this much was published. If you think this Army program was somehow not involved in weaponization of influenza, then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. They were obviously involved with weapons research. If and how the current 'pandemic' is related is up for debate.

 Of course, the latest 2009 gems from these various scientific psychopaths include a study published this fall titled “Resurrected Pandemic Influenza Viruses.” In this study, the mad-scientist brain-trust affiliated with Taubenberger uses big research money funneled out from Uncle Sugar's loving tentacles, and constructs recombinant pandemic viruses in order to determine the amino acid changes responsible for virulence (lethality). In other words, these individuals are being paid to study how to make influenza more deadly. Why?

The whole point of this idiocy is that it's somewhat like Jurassic Park. If you do not resurrect the Velociraptor, you do not have to worry about it killing you. So why resurrect the Velociraptor? Is this not foolish? Or perhaps money talks, and Uncle Sugar likes his weapons, regardless of form or function.

For further information, see:

Resurrected pandemic influenza viruses.
Tumpey TM, Belser JA.

Influenza Division, National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta, Georgia 30333, USA. tft9@cdc.gov

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19385726

as well as the work of Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger, searchable at NIH Pubmed:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

AEROSOL SPRAYING IN UKRAINE EARLY IN OUTBREAK 

If one examines the charts posted at the beginning of this article, it becomes apparent the Ukraine outbreak begins approximately Oct 28 – 30, 2009 if we are to believe the official statistics. Additionally , we know the Ukrainian government's daily statistical updates began on October 28th 2009, when the rate of infections began to increase from a previously established baseline. What is curious is that this time frame coincides with reports of low-altitude aerial spraying in areas where the virus spread the most rapidly, particularly the Lviv region. In fact, reports to the Ukrainian government regarding low-altitude aerial spraying around Halloween reached such a high incidence, the government was forced to issue an official denial that were any aerial 'flu reduction operations' in progress. 

So the question becomes, what exactly was going on here? What were eyewitnesses observing?  Was something being sprayed?   Could the spraying have the objective of modulating flu infectivity?  Clearly something interesting was going on if the government was forced to issue an official denial and with hundreds of eyewitness reports.  

Ukraine Reports of Overhead Aerosol Spraying

On October 31, Kiev newspaper editors got dozens of calls about light planes doing aerosol spraying during the day. In refuting the claims, the district's Emergency Response office said "no permission had been granted for small aviation aircraft to fly within the city limits." Yet eye-witness accounts from Lviv, Ternopil, and other Ukraine cities said the same thing.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/2009/111109Lendman.shtml



Authorities in Kiev, Ukraine, deny spraying of “aerosolized medication” by aircraft over city.

The Office for Emergency Situations Desniansko district of Kyiv denies reports that in the metro "Forest" with the help of aviation dissipated funds against influenza. 

Earlier today, the city rumors that over the market near the metro station "Forest" flying the plane, spraying some way from the "swine" influenza. The caller to the editors of newspapers in Kiev "forest residents reported that they or their friends or relatives of people here have seen circling over the aircraft market. It was also reported that retailers were encouraged to stay in tents. 

The administration of the market "Forest" strongly refuted this information. 

In Gosaviadministratsii correspondent "Newspapers in Kiev was told that any permission to fly to the city limits of small aviation aircraft today are not issued. 

For information on spraying means against influenza is also refuted in the Directorate of Health of the city. 

However, such rumors are being discussed in Internet forums Lviv, Ternopil and other cities.

http://mycityua.com/news/city/2009/10/30/171747.html

Interesting, huh? So on Oct 31, local Ukrainian government authorities advise people to stay indoors because of anti-flu spraying, which is then followed by eyewitness reports and complaints to Kyiv and Lviv authorities of light aircraft spraying aerosols, which is then followed by repeated strong denials from government higher-ups... Indeed, the plot thickens. The question is rather, are these facts relevant to the situation? Related? Just rumors? I simply do not know. Your guess is as good as mine. Just another piece to the puzzle. Our job is to determine if it fits.

 

 

BAXTER PHARMACEUTICAL SENT DEADLY CONTAMINATED FLU VACCINES LAST YEAR 

Last year, Chicago-based Baxter Pharmaceutical sent deadly contaminated flu vaccine to multiple sub-contractor laboratories in multiple countries – to include , at minimum Czech Republic, Slovania, Austria, and Germany. Baxter's vaccine product was represented as H3N2 “seasonal flu” vaccine material – but this product that was somehow “accidentally” contaminated with the 30-80% deadly H5N1 'bird flu'. Theoretically, this could have caused a terrible global plague had this egregious mistake not been caught by a sub-sub-contractor called Biotest in the Czech Republic , who by a miracle decided to inject their animals, and noticed all their laboratory ferrets contracted lethal illness after testing Baxter's deadly vaccine material.

 

Here is the relevant Bloomberg article from Feb 24, 2009:

Baxter Sent Bird Flu Virus to European Labs by Error

Feb. 24 (Bloomberg) -- Baxter International Inc. in Austria unintentionally contaminated samples with the bird flu virus that were used in laboratories in three neighboring countries, raising concern about the potential spread of the deadly disease.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601202&sid=aTo3LbhcA75I


Again: Last year, Baxter sent out seasonal flu vaccine material to labs around the world , vaccine material which was somehow 'accidentally' mixed with deadly H5N1 bird flu! If humans had been inadvertently exposed to this vaccine material, they could have easily contracted fatal bird flu and potentially spread it to others, resulting in a lethal global pandemic. This should never have happened, but Baxter has offered no explanation for their actions, nor the sequence of events which resulted in this deadly incident – where restricted H5N1 bird flu virus somehow left their secure facilities ,and ended up in seasonal flu vaccine material. Insanity!

Here is a diagram of what actually happened:

 

Now again, this should NEVER happen, because these pathogens are normally handled under BSL3 (Biosafety Level 3) procedures. Thirty-seven people at Biotest in the Czech Republic spent the month in quarantine because of Baxter's criminal idiocy. At the very least, Baxter's vaccine bird flu contamination was criminally negligent. No individuals at Baxter have been brought to justice for this potentially deadly incident.  

And this is not the last time you will find Baxter connected with deadly flu...

 

 

 

THE STRANGE CASE OF JOSEPH MOSHE, ISRAELI VIROLOGIST

 

Given that I run in the Internet underworld, I do have the scoop on this interesting story. In August 2009, a patriot radio host (Dr. A True Ott) on Republic Broadcast Network (RBN) received a phone call from an unidentified man with a thick Middle-Eastern accent. The man claimed to have knowledge of a large Baxter production facility in Ukraine, which he claimed was involved in producing biological weapons – particularly in the form vaccines contaminated with biologically active RNA from the H5N1 virus (sound familiar?). See above. The man claimed Baxter would eventually provoke a lethal global flu pandemic.

Now, as a radio host, Dr. Ott gets a fair amount of random phone calls, so he took what was mentioned by this mysterious caller with a grain of salt. Now the man , who turned out to be Israeli virus scientist Dr. Joseph Moshe, asked Dr. Ott where he could turn in evidence – including documents – regarding Baxter's involvement in influenza weaponization programs, particularly through their Ukrainian production facility. Dr. Ott asked the man his location – to which the caller replied 'Southern California' – so Ott told the mysterious caller (Joseph Moshe) that he would be best off taking the documents to a US Attorney's office in downtown Los Angeles.

The VERY NEXT DAY the following televised standoff occurs in the parking lot outside the LA Federal Building. Microwave weapons. Tear gas robots. Swat Teams. The works. You have to watch the video to believe it. The media and Feds claimed Joseph Moshe made threats against the White House. Are you kidding me? I don't buy it. This guy was a threat to someone's agenda. Watch this video of the incredible level of force used against this unassuming Israeli plant scientist, and judge for yourself what you believe.

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Incidentally, here is Joseph Moshe's biography.  

Moshe Bar Joseph, Prof. (Retiree)
Plant Protection, Plant Pathology and Weed Research
Research Interests / Job description
Telephone Tel: +97289350823
Cellphone Cell: +972509350823
Fax Fax: + 97289352826 
Email: mbjoseph@gmail.com
Office location: Bet Dagan
Dept of Plant Pathology and Weed Research
ARO, The Volcani Center
Bet Dagan 50250
ISRAEL 

Research Interests / Job description:

-Management and control of virus and virus like disease agents of subtropical fruit trees, with special emphasis on citrus.

-Certification programs, nursery propagation methods and modern cultivation practices of citrus & subtropical fruit trees.

-Eradication policies and practices of potentially epidemic disease agents of fruit trees.

-Phytoplasma, Spiroplasma and insect vectored disease agents of citrus and subtropical fruit trees

-Molecular characterization and evolution of Closteroviridae and of viroid disease agents.

-Methods of pathogen detection and elimination.

-Transgenic plants (citrus) and rapid propagation technologies.

Personal: 
1972 Ph.D. Hebrew University, Jerusalem

1984 Researcher, Grade A+ (equivalent to Professor, Dept of Virology, ARO, The Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
1983-1984 Head of Department of Plant Pathology, Volcani Cente
1995-1986 Head of Department of Plant Virology, Volcani Center

1994 -2004 Professor (Adjunct) Department of Life Sciences, Ben-Gurion University, Beer Sheva.
1996-1997 Scientific Director, The Gilat Experiment Station, Northern Negev.

1986-2004 Founder and Head of the S. Tolkowsky Laboratory for Citrus Disease Research. ARO, Volcani Research Center, Bet Dagan
2004, 1st of September, Retired Officially after 39.5 years of service.

Supervision of Graduate Students
Since 1982, I served as an independent supervisor of PhD students from the Faculty of Agriculture Rehovot, The Hebrew University , Jerusalem. In total 11 M.Sc. and 9 PhD.D. Students, have completed their degrees under my supervision.

Awards
1980 The Lee Hutchins award, The American Physiopathology Society
1996 Elected, Scientist of the Year, Agricultural Research Organization, Israel

Moshe hasn't been heard from him since this incident – we assume he is dead. The connections between Moshe, Baxter, Ukraine, biological weapons research, and influenza, and the overwhelming use of force (microwave weapons, etc) certainly gives me pause as to what is going on here. Moshe fingered Ukraine as the source of a potential outbreak in August 2009 – months before we see what appears to be the spread of a stronger more deadly flu strain in the country he named.  I suppose we are lucky that this time it does not involve Baxter's H5N1.

 

 


  
POLITICAL OBJECTIVES OF INTERNATIONAL FINANCE CAPITAL

 

Anyone who carefully studies the world we live in , with an appetite for the truth and a discerning eye, will quickly realize we have been sold a false bill of goods. A pack of lies, if you will. The truth is, Governments are incredibly corrupt, and they are getting worse. Large Banks are criminal enterprises. Politicians are for show, and are generally bribed or blackmailed. There are only a handful of individuals who are not morally compromised.

When sufficient excavation of the facade of modern civilization is conducted, it becomes clear we are dealing with international money power – a global criminal syndicate consisting of corrupt multi-billionaires and their associates acting in their own criminal interests. Their objective is nothing less than to impose a form of neo-feudalism of the countries upon the world.

Sound hard to believe? Take a look at the actions of Bernanke, Paulson, or the SEC. These are the actions of individuals and institutions representing a corrupt purpose and objective, not simply academics who are incompetent. This same pattern of corruption we see in global finance is repeated across the board, from defense contractors to pharmaceutical companies.

Take a look at the resemblance of the current trend towards privatized profits and socialized losses. This is a business model that would fit quite well in Italy in 1933. We move closer and closer towards the model of global corporatism as international financiers consolidate their power and ownership through public-private monopolies. All that is missing is a new war. The plague is obviously on its way , whether sooner or later.

Ultimately , as we mentioned, the objective is global neo-feudalism and the destruction nation-states through various methods (war, poverty, famine, plague, etc). This is all crystal clear in Henry Kissinger's National Security Study Memo 200, which advocates forced depopulation of the third world in order to maintain the narrow political objectives of a corrupt elite. 

While their objectives are complex, their methods are much simpler.

Part of this policy is depopulation. Which is why we can expect war, disease, and famine in the coming years. This will not be blind chance. This will be political policy.
 


CONCLUSIONS

 

In this article, I attempted to review all aspects of a potential flu epidemic in Ukraine. There are various puzzle pieces which have accumulated, and I have attempted to paint a picture of a rather dark reality which many will not be familiar with. My objective is not to frighten anyone, but simply to force the hand of the global authorities towards a more sensible outcome through deliberate media exposure.

We appear to have a new strain of influenza in Ukraine-- but this is not the only possibility. A new strain of H1N1 influenza is simply the best explanation at this point in time. We may also be dealing with false statistics from the Ukrainian government coupled with rumors. There are other explanations as well. As we go forward, information will slowly become more available – outside the channels of criminal authorities, who know their time is short.

We must remember never to tolerate corruption and evil, lest it consume the beauty mankind has worked so hard to construct.

 

 

 

 

 

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Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:30 | 132418 Anonymous
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a loner? i knew it from the start...:)

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:12 | 132462 Cheeky Bastard
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no no ... you dont seem to grasp the meaning of the word "seclusion" ... it does not, in no way, imply loneliness, just, unreachability ....you know ... like HH ...

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:07 | 132192 ilene
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Thanks, CB, if you live in seclusion, you should be fine!  :-)  I wish I could better evaluate the situation too.  In trying, it seems to me there's perhaps 10x more misinformation available than factual information.  But it's not easy to tell which is which, and that leads to biases/preconceptions/world views taking over the analysis, rather than actual scientific evidence from trustworthy sources. Accurately identifying which sources are trustworthy adds to the problem.  People seem to seek out sources that support their prior beliefs...

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:58 | 131993 J.B. Books
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PM, simple question - if the number of deaths were happening in Ukraine wouldn't it show up in public networks (facebook etc) as doctors and nurses posted?

Unless the government has shutdown the internet and stopped allowing the people to post - is it possible that your stats may be a little overstated?

Books

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:06 | 132305 Anonymous
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You're right J.B.

PM, doesn't know what he's talking about. I've been in the Ukraine for the past week there is NO pandemic.

Its all scare tactics and fear mongering by the Gov't here ahead of the elections in January and to receive financial aid.

More people died last year from the flu than this year:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

Its this sort of BS reporting that causes ZH to lose its credibility.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:54 | 131988 Cheeky Bastard
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 DO NOT SCARE ME MOTHERFUCKERS; FACTS OR GTFO ..... AND IM TO STUPID TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE FACTS AND THE FICTION ... that is given the medical explanation, i don't know the professional lingo ...

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:11 | 132398 MeTarzanUjane
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Do you know how many people travel in and out of the Ukraine every day?

How does this epidemic stay strictly within the boarders of the Ukraine.

Project Mayhem, for sure.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:30 | 132048 Anonymous
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My thoughts exactly.

Here is my first thought. If someone were to release a super bug/virus that just devastated populations, who is to say they could contain it? I mean, once it had accomplished what they needed it too, how could "they" reliably "put it back in the bottle?"

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 22:15 | 132656 heatbarrier
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How about releasing a smokescreen virus and using the cover for targeted hits? Remember the head of archeological museum in Mexico Obama visited? That's when this whole swine flu epidemic started.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/obamas-host-dies-from-f...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/swine-flu/5233492/Barack-Obama-met-man...

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 15:11 | 132118 Neo of Zion
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That sounds way too much like Quantitative Easing to me....

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:45 | 132445 MsCreant
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Yikes! Excellent but...

Let me edit please...

Quantitative dis-easing.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:53 | 131985 NRGTDR
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Excellent work PM!

If you are not familiar this topic.....(GOOGLE: list of dead microbiologist) :

Here is a start>

The mysterious deaths of top microbiologists 

http://www.stevequayle.com/dead_scientists/UpdatedDeadScientists.html

 

 

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:36 | 132058 Anonymous
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Ok, now this might be a bit scary. I know the odds are totally against this being a coincidence, but is it possible?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:52 | 131983 Phil Gramm
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16088

Information from a coroner in the Ukraine.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:16 | 132324 tip e. canoe
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from the article:

"It is necessary to improve the human immune system. Not only now, but in general. Garlic, onions, wild rose, viburnum (guelder rose), raspberries, citrus fruit, honey, and other fruits and vegetables – whatever you want. Those with a strong immune system will survive. Those with weaker immune systems will succumb to the disease."

excellent advice.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:34 | 132483 Anonymous
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Ah, bloody hell Tippie!

The initial strain of H1N1 produced a Cytokine Storm in the lungs and strong healthy people were at risk as their lungs would over compensate for the virus' destruction.

The smart healthy people immediately started smoking 3 packs of Camels a day and drinking as much Jack Daniels as they could acquire.

Now we have to get on the treadmill and reverse course?? WTF?

I liked A/California/07/2009 - H1N1 the most. Good bye little buddy, see ya in the lab.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 22:15 | 132666 tip e. canoe
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just mix your jack with some fresh lemonade :)

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:52 | 131982 Anonymous
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Great summary. This whole scenario smells to high hell. I wonder if this is actually an attempted attack on Russia via the Ukraine via Israel? True or not, if this spreads to Russia, look for a serious "rebuttal" from the Kremlin.

How much longer are "we" going to put up with this shite?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:43 | 131966 heatbarrier
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You don't think Russia would take advantage of the situation, would you?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a5t8mso.EYlU

Nov. 16 (Bloomberg) -- Ukraine’s economy contracted 15.9 percent last quarter, extending the former Soviet state’s decline, as political wrangling stalled the payment of bailout funds needed to keep the country afloat.

The annual contraction compares with a 17.8 percent slump in the second quarter, the Kiev-based state statistics committee said today, citing preliminary figures. The final data will be published on December 30, according to the statement.

Ukraine lurched into recession after the global crisis undermined demand for steel, its main export, and left about 20 banks in need of state aid. The nation is now relying on a $16.4 billion International Monetary Fund loan to avoid bankruptcy and to keep up Russian gas payments ahead of winter. The IMF is withholding a $3.4 billion tranche after parliament passed a social spending bill in defiance of the fund’s calls for budget cuts.

“The figure turned out to be worse than we expected,” said Olena Bilan, an analyst at Kiev-based Dragon Capital investment bank. “It means that improved industrial output was offset by domestically-oriented sectors.”

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ukraines-rating-downgraded-by-fitch-to-...

Ukraine's rating downgraded by Fitch to B-minus

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Fitch Ratings downgraded Ukraine's sovereign rating on Thursday to B-minus from B, saying the nation's budget is falling further into the red, jeopardizing aid from the International Monetary Fund. The rating outlook is negative, Fitch said in a release. The IMF's decision to suspend its aid program until after the January election, unless the government reverses new policies on wages and pensions, leaves "a very large window where the country is very vulnerable,"

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:42 | 131964 Anonymous
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People are taking anti-biotics to treat this viral infection, and thus weaken their imune system without harming the virus - that is what is causing the excessive hospitalizations. Anti-biotics can be purchased over the counter in Ukraine.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:41 | 131963 Anonymous
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Here's a comment from someone who lives in Ukraine:

Man, its like some kind of Orwellian fantasy here. I live in West Ukraine, and it was crazy panic for the first week with people and the media spreading wild rumors. But then people started realizing that no one they knew had the flu or had died and everything they were hearing about death was coming from second hand or media sources.

Theres just no sick people.

I went to a big hospital on Friday for a minor injury. And it looked like a normal Ukrainian hospital.They werent over whelmed and were able to see me promptly.

Sure theres flu here, I got it last month before all this started happening. But its just normal flu.

The good thing now is that since people arent seeing dead people and no one really knows of anyone whos died. The people now think its just a political stunt for the elections in January.

I personally think its more about this countries financial situation. I believe Ukraine is real close to default and if it goes, how many Western European banks will go with it? So you see, its always good to have a flu epidemic handy when a region of the world descends into economic chaos.

On Friday Im going to check the prices on a few things that Im tracking, to see if a form of hyperinflation is setting in. All I know is that prices are going up but I cant tell if its a normal amount of inflation for this country or if it has picked up its pace.

Anyway all this said, dont worry about the swine flu. So far its just propaganda, rest assured I will be the first to put out the warning if it becomes real and people are really dieing.

Source: http://fofoa.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-dollar-good-as-tungsten.html?showCo...

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:41 | 131958 truont
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I hope they find the %&$#ers that did this.

Oh, wait, they did this.

I guess it is up to us to find out who is responsible.

Too bad there are less microbiologists in the world, nowadays.

Did those Harvard microbiologists who got poisoned coffee ever recover?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:37 | 131955 Cistercian
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 Thank you.I am concerned that Malthusians may do a deliberate release to cull the herd.This insane philosophy is driving so much of the global agenda now it is scary.Global warming and the entire "green" movement find Malthus as a serious driving force.Ever notice how concerned the elites are with the reproduction rates in third world countries?Notice how they embrace China's insane and brutal population control program?Anyone who thinks china has this correct is morally insane.If this virus is a weapon, I would hope that there is some way to bring the perpetrators to justice.

 

 I think the hype of the flu over the past years combined with the silence on the situation in Ukraine speak volumes.And reveals evil intent.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:36 | 131953 bugs_
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Mayhem

Would it be possible to get an ethnicity breakdown
on the deaths and hospitalizations?  I think this
is the key issue and the reason for the silence.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 16:16 | 132218 MeTarzanUjane
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Yea, also I want to know;
1) How many are prostitutes
2) How many use prostitutes
3) What's their favorite positions

4) And are there any funds available from the WHO for countries ravaged by the Swine Flu?

Thanks.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 19:18 | 132469 Anonymous
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Exactly, the US must help this region of Europe with an emergency loan for $125 Billion or this deadly strain will spread across the globe and kill 100's of millions of people.

It's in our best interests to contain this outbreak. Send the money post haste.

Mon, 11/23/2009 - 12:32 | 139424 Anonymous
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Please send the money to:

Mr. A Smith
on P.O. Box 555283
Central District
Abuja,
Nigeria.

Tue, 11/17/2009 - 15:18 | 133444 Anonymous
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I thought you are in the Ukraine and you had spoken to others who said this is false story and propaganda. Now you want $125 billion. Which is it?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:33 | 131950 Fibozachi
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Great comment Artful_Dodger !

Fantastic, unique article Project Mayhem !  Thank you for it !!

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:24 | 131940 Artful_Dodger
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Greetings from Strasbourg.

Interesting to note your workings here. If you compare the breakout of the plague in 1348 to now the entry into europe was from the east.

 

One interest calculation.

First plague 1348-1351

Second Plague 1665

 

The difference between the two plagues (1665-1351) is pretty much 100 x pi = 314.14

 

(circa 1348 - 1351) + 314.14 + 314.14 + 31.41 =  2007 September to late 2010/2011

 

Martin Armstrong would be proud, although he may ultimately be safer in Fort Dix.

 

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:09 | 132315 tip e. canoe
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interesting piece of pi, danke.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:56 | 131992 jedwards
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lol

1665 is pretty much 1000 + 666. 

1000 + 666 + 666/2 + 666/66 = 2009.  If we extrapolate this out, it could very well be:

1000 + 666 + 666/2 + 666/66 + 6 = 2015, which means this plague will last another 6 years.

lol

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:22 | 131938 Divided States ...
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The Ukraine stock market is not showing any signs of sneezing though...that does not make any sense either? I guess they have machines trading over there as well while the human traders are all lying sickly in hospital beds?

This is amazing that such important news have to be found on blogs.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:13 | 131923 SDRII
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mayhem,

 

Ukraine is a serious choke point (austria anyone). GDP printed this am down 16% after a -17% ptint last Q. If you look at the Russia issues over the past few years as regards basing, ports and of course nat gas transmission, throw in the economy and then consider what a leg down in Eastern Europe means for the euro banks (see Evan Pritchard today re China and the paper overed Euro banking issues) - Ukraine is a supremely logical choke point. Wiki shows Ukraine as the 2nd richest country in arable land. A virtual breadbasket. Now consider what happens if the country goes into duress theoretically: (1) food production suffers; (2) Russia gas transmissions suffer; and (3) European banks could see a cascade if a default were to pass

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:34 | 131952 Anonymous
Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:21 | 131934 BRAVO 7
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 THIS BIOLOGIST SAID IN AUGUST THAT THE KILLER VIRUS WOULD BE RELEASED IN UKRAINE.

NEWS VIDEO HERE:  http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=8239

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:12 | 131919 Anonymous
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People in Ukraine say there is no deadly flu. They were fooled for a couple of days, but after that they realized it's nothing more than political games.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:10 | 131916 earnyermoney
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PM

Given your assertion on potential genetic engineering or weaponization, it seems this is timed to suppress the vote for upcoming Presidential elections. If this is the case, does this support a pro Kremlin candidate over Yushchenko?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 18:21 | 132244 Bear
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Elections are January 17, 2010.  Who will be left to vote?

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 14:01 | 131998 Divided States ...
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This whole thing may be fabricated (much like this whole new bull market crap) to make sure that people do not come out for the elections in Ukraine. Political stunt to adversely effect the election results as people wouldnt risk their lives to vote for something that aint worth a dime.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 13:06 | 131911 Internet Tough Guy
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Is it possible that the H1N1 vaccines the .gov is currently pushing are secretly a vaccine for this new strain? Maybe they don't want to cause panic?

Just a tin hat thought.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 12:52 | 131885 Anonymous
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Up until now I considered all the blog talk on the Ukraine flu to be bull shit. Now this is scarry shit. Thanks for the heads up on what is coming.

Mon, 11/16/2009 - 17:11 | 132320 Anonymous
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Its totally BS. I'm currently living in the Ukraine there are no problems, its all propaganda.

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 15:06 | 134805 Anonymous
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hey,
can you tell us a little bit more?
where are you?
please give some more information, so we are able to
decide what is the truth.
if its all propaganda, do you know why?
thanks
kathrin

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:42 | 135242 Anonymous
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First of all I'm a US citizen. I've been traveling to Ukraine for the past 4 years, a couple times a year for extended stays.

Currently I'm living in Zaporozhye been here a couple of weeks prior to that Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev.

A few weeks ago there was a panic, but things have all settled down. All my friends here and business associates say its propaganda by the gov't. Its very complicated, but in a nutshell Yushchenko just wants to stay in power longer as his term is set to expire in January. Check out this link:

http://zik.com.ua/en/news/2009/11/07/203625

BTW, more people have died last year than this year from the flu. See the link above for this fact as well.

You can email me percolator469 (at) yahoo (dot) com and I'll put you in touch with my friends who will confirm there is no flu pandemic here.

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 05:17 | 134251 Anonymous
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If you really live in Ukraine then you wouldnt call it "the Ukraine"
Only tourists and folks that have never been to Ukraine call it "the Ukraine"

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:34 | 135305 Anonymous
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Hey Grammar Nazi,

Why don't you call me at 3-80-984-588-608, that's my Ukrainian mobile number, we'll talk about the Ukraine?

Thu, 11/19/2009 - 00:19 | 135484 Ghettomedic
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Google Voice -- only .10 per minute to Ukraine.

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 20:26 | 135292 Anonymous
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oops!

Wed, 11/18/2009 - 19:20 | 135211 Anonymous
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Sorry bad habit using "the". But, that doesn't change that fact there is no flu pandemic here.

I'm an American who is currently staying Zaporozhye been here for a couple of weeks prior to that Dnepropetrovsk and Kiev.

If you don't believe me email me at percolator469 AT yahoo DOT com and I'll put you in contact with with others that live here and will tell you the truth.

Or better yet get on a plane and come over here and see for yourself.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!