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Dear Senator Corker: Meet The HVol 4 And Basis (Prop) Trades That Destroyed Merrill Lynch

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In the past Zero Hedge had respect for Ten. Senator Bob Corker due to his opposition to the nationalization of the bankrupt automakers and making them yet another ward of the ever larger central-planning state. However, after today's hearing with Paul Volcker on the Prop trading ban, any respect we may have had for the Senator has promptly dissipated. While we understand that the pointless bashing of Volcker's proposal by Corker was predicated by his sizable lobby interest (over $21 million raised in the course of his career) and his talking points were undoubtedly a transliteration of a memorandum submitted by one of the Too Big To Fail banks that stand to experience substantial losses should the Volcker proposal pass, one line of argument in Corker's speech that is flagrantly flawed was Corker's naive rhetorical question whether there has been a single instance during the financial crisis where a commercial bank engaging in proprietary trading led directly to that institution failing or having to be bailed out by the taxpayer. Corker assumed the answer is no and kept pouncing on that answer. Well, Senator, you are wrong - meet Merrill Lynch, incidentally one of your biggest financial backers. Also, please meet Merrill's prop basis trade and its prop HVOL4 trade, which combined were the primary reason for the firm's $15 billion writedown in Q4 of 2008 and the subsequent bail out of the firm by Bank of America.

In January 2009, the Wall Street Journal ran an article titled "At Merrill focus is now on Montag, sales chief" in which the newspaper indicated that the bulk of the firm's losses were due to a recognition of a major prop position on Merrill's books gone horribly wrong:

In December, Mr. Montag and his team worked with Bank of America executives handling due diligence on the securities firm to understand the full extent of the losses, according to a person familiar with the situation. The problem then was brought to the attention of Mr. Lewis. Messrs. Montag and Thain have maintained that the losses stemmed largely from old positions that Merrill inherited from previous management.

Behind some of the [firm's $15.31 billion in losses] in the quarter are two related trades that Merrill hasn't discussed publicly in detail.Broadly, both trades are set up to generate returns from corporate bonds while hedging the exposure to the debt through derivatives using credit-default swaps. Those derivatives provide protection against defaults on the bonds.

Merrill, according to a person familiar with the situation, ran two versions of the trade. One was a plain-vanilla strategy while the other was a more complex version. According to this person, Merrill was one of the biggest traders in the complex trade among U.S. firms. European banks made similar trades.

The idea is that the two sides of the trades -- either the plain-vanilla version or the complex bet -- are supposed to move in tandem. For both trades, things went awry in the fourth quarter when bank-lending markets froze. That ultimately triggered a sharp drop in bond prices. The value of default insurance rose, but not enough to cover the drop in the bond pricesBroadly, both trades are set up to generate returns from corporate bonds while hedging the exposure to the debt through derivatives using credit-default swaps. Those derivatives provide protection against defaults on the bonds.

The trade in question is the basis trade, which incidentally also resulted in the blow up of Deustche Bank's prop trading group headed by one Boaz Weinstein, who lost a billion dollars on the exact same trade.

Zero Hedge previously discussed the implications of the basis trade blow up in depth as it pertains to Merrill Lynch, providing observations on how just one simple leveraged prop position (yes Senator Corker, prop) ended up destroying the bank.

So back to our original topic. How could Merrill lose $15 billion on
basis trades? And not just Merrill: Boaz Weinstein's group at Deutsche
Bank lost over $1 billion on this same trade, and basis trades are the
main reason why Citadel has lost over 50% in 2008. Anecdotally, basis trades on CDOs are the reason why AIG, and most of the U.S. insurance industry is in its current deplorable state.

would one go about estimating the P&L impact to these asset
managers? It is not difficult: as the basis explosion resulted in a
mismatch of DV01, or dollar equivalent change in 1 bps point in both
bonds and CDS, or, netted out via the basis trade itself, one can
calculate what the adverse MTM impact was on any notional position. If
we take the CIT example above, and we assume that Merill had a $10
billion notional basis position in the name (this is an
oversimplification but it was probably true for their overall basis
portfolio), and the spread blew out from 0 to 1,500 bps around the time
of the Lehman events, Merrill would have experienced a roughly $6
billion hit on the position (an average DV01 of $4MM), which implies
that a $15 billion loss could have been created as simply as
experiencing a blow up on $25 billion on basis trades. And this assumes no leverage which is naive for the prop desk model:
if ML had leveraged its preexisting basis trades even 10x, the total
basis trade notional needed to create this loss would have been only $2.5 billion.
Is it inconceivable that ML had $25 billion in basis trades? Not at all
- after all they were a preeminent CDS trading powerhouse and had one
of the most active basis trade prop desks.

And just in case the basis trade only accounted for a majority (but not all) of the losses, the Merrill HVol 4 prop trade, which cost at least another $1 billion, sealed the coffin. From the Financial Times

Mounting losses at Merrill during December almost derailed the acquisition. Ken Lewis, BofA’s chief executive, threatened to walk away from the deal unless the US government provided $20bn in extra capital. The deal closed on January 1 after federal officials pledged their support.
People familiar with the matter said BofA had dispatched Neil Cotty, its chief accounting officer, during the fourth quarter to work with Merrill’s finance team. They said Mr Cotty played an active role in preparing accounts, wielding influence with Merrill executives who were set to report to him and other BofA officials after the deal closed.

With Mr Cotty’s involvement in December, the people familiar with the matter said, Merrill took a fourth-quarter writedown of $1.9bn in leveraged loans and a $2.9bn reserve against an exposure to derivatives linked to asset-backed securities.

Mr Cotty also gave his blessing to a $1bn writedown of credit default swaps involving investment grade companies. The markdown of a position on the “high vol 4” index transformed a gain of $100m into a loss of $900m, said a source familiar with the matter.

In a statement issued by BofA, Mr Cotty said: “While BofA had access to Merrill’s financial information in the fourth quarter and had input into many accounting policy and valuation issues, Merrill management was responsible for these decisions regarding the marks and other valuations.”

It is thus extremely short-sighted of Mr. Corker to make such unjustified rhetorical questions all for the sole purpose of making the Volcker proposal seem disingenuous. The truth is that prop trading was the sole culprit for Merrill's collapse and the resultant purchase of the firm by a taxpayer-subsidized Bank Of America. It is extremely ironic that Volcker, who is trying to prevent the kind of 11th hour taxpayer rescue in the future, should be the target of your polemics. However, when there are financial interests to be defended, many of them undoubtedly critical to the very firm who handed you the question sheet that you used when interrogating Mr. Volcker, we fully understand that your allegiance lies with Wall Street and its continued way of kleptocratic life, and not with your constituency which will once again have to spend billions if not trillions of hard-earned dollars to bailout the very same Goldmans who are currently doing their best to make Volcker seem like an old fool.

Luckily for your electorate, and for the US taxpayer in general, there are those who are happy to call you on your male bovine excrement when the time comes. And this is just one such time.


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Tue, 02/02/2010 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Forbes
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Hey, the party is going just fine. Don't take away the punch bowl.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:20 | Link to Comment TraderMark
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Senator Shelby to Maria B: "Volcker rules! Dat's for the birds.  We gots a regulator who will take care of this."

nevermind that this regulator just missed the biggest bubble of all time.  Or didnt catch LTCM until it threatened the system.  Those errors will never happen again - screw Volcker and his so called "protecting the system".

(5 minute video)

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 04:00 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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They are all whores, with the exception of Paul, Kucinich, Sanders and Grayson ... 

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:11 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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I thought the same bout Greyson. But then I signed up to receive his emails and now realize hes just another crummy congressman. Dont get me wrong, long the fact that he rips the Fed a new one everytime but that comes from the fact that hes a EuroPac Client (Peter Schiffs Company) and found it an easy way to raise large sums of money from the anti-fed crowd.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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Goddamit, sometimes I'm just so naive i want to hit myself in the face with a shovel ..

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:34 | Link to Comment nopat
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At least it'll keep you from punching yourself in the dick...

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:09 | Link to Comment milbank
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And the problem is???

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:32 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i dont even consider them bureaucrats, but little, insignificant, shit-for-face aparatchicks, easily replaceable,  easily forgettable.  

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:07 | Link to Comment milbank
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I totally agree.  Paul, Kucinich, Sanders and Grayson. 

These hearings expose the interrogators more than the interrogated.

Congress is a bought and paid for shitshow.

"We The People" are on our own.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:00 | Link to Comment ArkansasAngie
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And now Lanche Bincoln calls herself an independent fiscal conservative.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, we got some world class horse manure going on here.

Where in heck is John Wayne when you need him.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Dealing with another Angie at Rio Bravo..

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:18 | Link to Comment milbank
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Understand, John Wayne was a character who played characters in movies. In real life, Marion Morrison was no hero.  He was a right-wing racist wacko coward who, amongst other things, avoided going into WWII under a sham pretext so he could further his career while his competition was in uniform.  Some, like Stewart and Gable actually seeing action.

Of course, Marion had no problem with others dying to protect his hypocritcal hide.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 06:42 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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thanks for the needed clarification.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:43 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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You know what puts an end to bad trades:LOSSES owned by the entity who took the risk in the first place. 

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 00:36 | Link to Comment What a mess_man
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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 06:43 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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as volcker's nyt oped makes clear he wants to do.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 09:26 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Nothing but net!  WhoT!

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:19 | Link to Comment Cursive
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Money is the lifeblood of politics.  Corker is getting plenty from the banksters and SCOTUS is more than happy to open the spigot wider.  I think it will backfire, anyway.  You can only beat a dog so long until he fights back.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:07 | Link to Comment Rainman
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The cowards and traitors are at least predictable. All for sale.

America needs a 21st Century Constitutional Convention. First order of business is to move the Nation's Capitol to Des Moine, then convert all D.C. public buildings into museums we can visit often and never forget how fukked up it all got.

Politicians perched in halls of taxpayer-owned opulence while they steal us blind is obviously not a good idea.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:23 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Dburn
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The Mohave from May to Sept. No A/C. Tents and Flying Red Ant Protection (hah). $100 extra pay if they can hit a sidewinder rattlesnake from 100 Yards with a .22 derringer. Gives them something to do if they don't die of a heart Attack.  


"First thing you boys have to learn out here is ;

don't pick nothin' up. Ya hear?"



Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:31 | Link to Comment milbank
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Des Moines?  Lovely. Next you'll be wanting Larry Dickman for be President.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 22:23 | Link to Comment Screwball
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America needs a 21st Century Constitutional Convention. First order of business is to move the Nation's Capitol to Des Moine, then convert all D.C. public buildings into museums we can visit often and never forget how fukked up it all got.

I think your on the right track.  Let's change those buildings in D.C into prisons.  Let me check my calendar...ok...Monday is good for me.  You in?

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 11:24 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Maybe not. Considering the rampant greed and corruption on display today, don't forget that once a constitution convention is opened, the ENTIRE constitution is up for revision. You can't restrain the convention to certain parts.

If the powers that be want even more power, this would play into their hands. Once they get the changes they want, they will use the corruption to ram it through the state houses, under martial law if need be.

Don't underestimate these guys.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Whatdoesitallmean
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His performance makes me sick, the bankers (GS/MS/JPM...) should be proud.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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This effort has left me better informed, refreshed, entertained and reflective of the current state of modern American conservatism.  Or what passes as such from the mouth of Senator Corker.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 00:13 | Link to Comment perchprism
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They raised mine to 18.99% too.  I called and told them to cancel my card, so I was shunted to a supervisor to get me to change my mind.  "Tell us what you want us to do to keep you as a customer," the lady said.  "Hear that noise?" I replied.  "That's the sound of your credit card getting scizzored up.  There's nothing you can do."  Oh yeah, I said something too about how they were able to get money for nothing at the Fed discount window, and then turn around and charge me 19%---outrageous.

I now have two new cards--Chase and Discover--with 0% introductory that I transferred the Citi balance to.  0% for 8 months, enough time to pay it off.





Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:02 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Here in the Shelby County portion of Marsha Blackburn's TN-7 district there is already an excess of 100K ready for Corker's opponent in 2012 due to Corker's total conflation of conservatism with kleptocraticism.  Too bad that whoever is opposite Corker on the ballot will most likely be an identical shill for the financial services industry.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:22 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 06:58 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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what is the answer?  what kind of law or constitutional amendment would take the money whoring (somewhat) out of politics?  this seems like the root of the problem.  since major contributions seem to pay off 100 or 1000 to 1 the corporations and rich won't stop.  and since the politicians need enormous funds to finance campaigns they can't stop.  what stops it?  don't say pitchforks or beheadings because that's not happening and if it did it would be worse by orders of magnitude.  

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 09:21 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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As long as the music is playing we must continue to dance - Chuck Prince, CEO Citi

Ya, too bad the concept of self restraint is lost to those in the public & "private" sectors who rely upon the policy of judicial exclusion to do their work.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 08:24 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Credible?  ROFLMAO.  There is no such thing as credibility or loyalty to the Constitution to be found among the political class of the United States, a couple of noteworthy examples excepted.  Still, one must do what one can until more of society catches up.... Especially those whose oath to the same Constitution is actually considered binding.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:55 | Link to Comment IveBeenHad
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its a shame too that the guy spearheading the effort is like 90... its easy for his opponents to scream "crazy old man". 


another epic piece though. 

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie, deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. 



Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:55 | Link to Comment Zippyin Annapolis
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Treasury should clarify-- if Geithner Really is In favor of the Volker proposal (wink, wink--not). Larry and Timmy thought crazy uncle Paul was safely locked up in the White House attic until the WH political spin doctors found the key--can you say "focus group"?

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:24 | Link to Comment rawsienna
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Dont forget about the 40bb of Resi CDO exposure they had on their books at the end of Q2 2007 - Guess it was one of those custy trades that became a prop trade. 

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:53 | Link to Comment andrew123
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Tyler, if the "Volcker rule" is that the regulators will enforce a prop trading ban, and that they will know "prop trading" when they see it, does the Volcker rule really have any teeth at all?  I am asking seriously, as you seem to think this is a big deal.  Won't GS claim its hft is really just market making, ie. "customer facilitation"?  Won't the same logic be applied to all its debt and derivative business, and to the extent regulators do think prop trading is going on, won't the fact that they always make money be used to argue for very lenient capital treatment?

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 20:53 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:19 | Link to Comment no cnbc cretin
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I don't think Volcker is going to save this sinking ship. He might slow it down, that's all. Personally, the US is in a major Depression. That's the good part. But, when you include all the debt, gov., public, private, as well as no mfg'ing in this country, 70% of GDP is based on the consumer. Two bogus wars. The real national debt is around 80 trillion. Then add this to the mess: - not to mention the mass corruption going on in this country. - we're SCREWED! Seems to me the only way to fix it, is for a complete collaspe. That's the direction we're headed in anyway.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 00:21 | Link to Comment perchprism
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Realistically, when we know it'll take several years of disciplined austerity to get out of the hole, we know that's just not politically possible, right?  So the only alternative is to junk the system and start over.  Let it go, then, I say, and get it over with.



Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:21 | Link to Comment deadhead
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Obama's group is really phucking up like a bunch of amateurs, really.

As for Corker, his anti nationalization stance had a lot more to do with all those non union auto shops on his turf versus some philosophical stance.  Just another member of Congress bought and paid for who simply doesn't understand the systemic risk still posed by a small group of oversize banking institutions, still propped up by government guarantees, easy Fed money, and legitimized fraudulent accounting masking as the revised FASB FAS 157 mark to menagerie paradigm.

For those young enough here, when you read the history of this 20 yrs down the road, you'll see that the Treserve/Wall street complex phucked the USA over big time.



Tue, 02/02/2010 - 23:51 | Link to Comment milbank
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History is written by the winners.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 08:27 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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There it is.  Never forget this DH....

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Hondo
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Both Corker and Shelby are idiots on the take.  This government (both sides) is as corrupt as you can get.  It's flat out stealing from the American public.............

Lead and brass.......the time is drawing near.


Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:37 | Link to Comment JR
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Tyler, thanks for the dressing down of Corker.  It’s not enough that Congress was clipping lobbyist coupons while the investment banks, with the Fed playing linebacker, emptied the treasury.  It’s not enough that the Bush-Paulson and Obama-Geithner teams wear the same color uniforms (Goldman-Morgan green).  And it’s not enough that our young president is a recipient’s dream and a producer’s nightmare.  Obama, backed by a soak-the-“rich” Congress just itching to buy everything in their dreams, is a faux deficit hawk, in spite of what spend, spend, spend Krugman feigns to believes. After all, Charlie Rangel is going to need some cash for his projects and that means fees, taxes, and abolishment of tax deductions for the “rich”—i.e., that single guy or gal working 24/7 in New York or San Jose earning $200,000 in hopes of buying a home and/or that “rich” couple next door earning $250,000.   Bankers siphoning billions in bonuses aren’t the rich, of course; that’s just the cost of doing God’s work.

Here are comments by economist William L. Anderson nailing Krugman to the wall:  MARCH OF THE PRINCETON PEACOCK | February 2, 2010

In his January 29 column, "March of the Peacocks," we see proof of what I have been saying for years: Paul Krugman is not an economist. He is a political operative, period.

OK, why do I claim that a NOBEL LAUREATE in economics is not an economist? Is not the Nobel given to someone who has contributed something important to economic science? (Not really, but that will not be the topic of discussion today, as this column is dedicated to debunking the wit and wisdom of Paul Krugman, not trashing the Swedish Academy of Sciences, which gives the award.)

Instead, we deal with Krugman's latest missive of rage that Obama has announced a toothless "spending freeze," which apparently turns the poor president into a ... Republican. Besides Krugman's gratuitous insults of President Obama, however, I also think this column presents a very good view of what Robert Higgs calls "vulgar Keynesianism." So, let us begin.

Right out of the box, Krugman proclaims:

Last week, the Center for American Progress, a think tank with close ties to the Obama administration, published an acerbic essay about the difference between true deficit hawks and showy “deficit peacocks.” You can identify deficit peacocks, readers were told, by the way they pretend that our budget problems can be solved with gimmicks like a temporary freeze in nondefense discretionary spending.

Horrors! Obama has endorsed such a scheme, and The Great One is enraged:

What’s going on here? The answer, presumably, is that Mr. Obama’s advisers believed he could score some political points by doing the deficit-peacock strut. I think they were wrong, that he did himself more harm than good. Either way, however, the fact that anyone thought such a dumb policy idea was politically smart is bad news because it’s an indication of the extent to which we’re failing to come to grips with our economic and fiscal problems.

So, let us stop for a moment and think. What is a "dumb policy idea"? Why, according to Krugman, it is anything that lessens the burden that government place on individuals. And it gets better:

The nature of America’s troubles is easy to state. We’re in the aftermath of a severe financial crisis, which has led to mass job destruction. The only thing that’s keeping us from sliding into a second Great Depression is deficit spending. And right now we need more of that deficit spending because millions of American lives are being blighted by high unemployment, and the government should be doing everything it can to bring unemployment down.

Only in Paul Krugman's Wonderland can such a series of words be put into one supposed coherent thought…

In fact, why create "jobs" at all? For Krugman, everything is based upon spending, spending, spending. Why not just give everyone bagfuls of money and let them quit working? After all, in the Keynesian world, an economy magically appears when we start spending money...

Here is the problem. Krugman has endorsed time and again government initiatives that increase the burdens that private businesses must bear. (No problem to a Keynesian, as the increases in costs require more spending which – Presto! – creates prosperity.) In the real world, when businesses bear heavier burdens and consumers cannot pay higher prices, we have this thing called bankruptcy.

Furthermore, when companies like General Motors and Chrysler are no longer solvent, that means that the sum of their assets is greater than the whole of the company, the very definition of being bankrupt. But instead of allowing those assets to be liquidated and turned over to companies that can run them profitably, Krugman and his Keynesian-socialist friends demand that government prop up those companies, which creates a further drain on the economy...

Read more:

May we add investment banks to that last definition...

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 23:39 | Link to Comment gookempucky
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Americans do not need jobs--just drugs.

by harriet fraad

 The Drugging of America

The fifth tributary that helped to create our deluge of disaster is both a cause and an effect of America's social breakdown. This is the numbing of Americans with psychotropic drugs. In 2006, Americans, who make up approximately 6 percent of the world's population, consumed 66 percent of the world's supply of antidepressants. In 2002, more than 13 percent of Americans were taking Prozac alone. Prozac is one of thirty available antidepressants. Anti-anxiety drugs, such as Zoloft, are so widely prescribed that in the year 2005, the $3.1 billion sales of Zoloft exceeded the sales for Tide detergent

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 07:16 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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want to reduce the deficit? stop the foreign wars and rein in the defense department.  stopping blind support of the likud would do more to stop terrorism than all the drones and bombs.  you also have more faith in the self-correction of the market than i:  reducing the federal deficit now seems unlikely to end the recession/depression.  whether we get to see the experiment tried remains to be seen.  i'm betting no.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 12:41 | Link to Comment JR
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I agree, with all of the above.  This Fed-engineered economy is heading 100 mph into a brick wall.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 21:37 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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You do good work, Mr.Durden.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 22:51 | Link to Comment agrotera
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I am a TN resident and have received NO response from Senator Corker for my requests for him to support S604 unlike our other honorable senator Alexander who at least took the time to write and respond to my inquiries and requests.

Corker on the other hand came out with his own version of what should be done with the Fed so he could proclaim how hallowed the Fed was and how we must preserve it's "independence" when what he really meant was that the Fed need not be exposed for financing him and most other politicians in our captured legislative branch (in addition to the executive branch.

I will ACTIVELY campaign against this man since he has proved himself to be a bank shill...and i could say more if i weren't concerned about keeping my image as a well mannered Southern girl.

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 23:02 | Link to Comment JR
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+ a millie, agrotera.  And you’ll always be a Southern belle.  I've missed you.

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Tue, 02/02/2010 - 23:19 | Link to Comment agrotera
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I have missed you and all our friends!!!  Thank you so much JR!!!!!

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 09:13 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Another Volunteer!  No wonder you write the way you do

Tue, 02/02/2010 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Wed, 02/03/2010 - 00:26 | Link to Comment JR
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[W]e fully understand that your allegiance lies with Wall Street and its continued way of kleptocratic life, and not with your constituency which will once again have to spend billions if not trillions of hard-earned dollars to bailout the very same Goldmans who are currently doing their best to make Volcker seem like an old fool…

Dang! that’s good!

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 02:34 | Link to Comment Apocalypse Now
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I watched the exchange live and was surprised how ridiculous Corker was, he should have put a cork in it - he came off looking sophomoric while trying to look smart by making  some irrelevant technical point.  He kept stating that unless someone could give him an example "my statement stands".  It sounded like a college student lecturing Warren Buffet on investing.

Volker's response was classic, stating that he didn't want his tax money going to speculation and was surprised why anyone (Corker) would resist that common sense.  He also later added that the bankers know what trading against their clients means, and that the questioners shouldn't be fooled if the bankers feign ignorance on what it is.

I did like the concept of questioning how to prevent the next AIG in the future and that financial regulation legislation should consider that for comprehensive financial reform.  However, the way it was brought up seemed like the intention was as a diversion.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 09:07 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The; "Unless this fix fixes everything then any attempt to fix anything is a waste of time discussion".  Exactly what I have come to expect from a body that has rendered itself moot through its preference for government through Royal Decree, OOps, Executive Order relieving legislators of the need to actually vote on anything.  Joint Resolutions and naming post offices excepted.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 04:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 07:26 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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imo prop trades are not the root problem.  it is too big to fail.  if, for whatever reason massive dislocation in all markets -- that they are supposed to make their business -- they are insolvent, they get taken through an orderly receivership, management replaced, shareholders wiped out, bad assets separated, bond holders pay the difference between cost and market, going concern part of company resold, proceeds reimburse taxpayers for transitional expenses.  like most of the banks fdic dealt with.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 04:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 05:11 | Link to Comment Rick64
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BOFA is quite the ventriloquist. I heard everything they had to say and I didn't even see their lips move, and the dummy seemed so real .

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 06:43 | Link to Comment Giovanni Zucchetti
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Is this the Coker question:

"There's not a single bank holding company that had a commercial bank that had material issues that were related to proprietary trading," Corker said. - CNN


Wed, 02/03/2010 - 07:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 02/03/2010 - 10:10 | Link to Comment crosey
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I'm from TN, have met Sen. Corker on several occasions, and found him to be unusually bright in fiscal matters, for your typical politician.  He did run finances for the state under one governor, so he has some insight into this machine.

I queried him about a year ago on his position regarding the proposed legislation taxing day trade transactions.  His response was polite, but meandering.  That left me questioning why he put so many tangents in his response.

I see two prime movers in the political landscape:  1) the complexity of the global financial market system is WAY beyond the comprehension of 80+% of politicians, and 2) politicians will, forever, acquiesce to campaign funding and its related policy price.

As such, we will never escape the cycles of boom and bust, because the predicating factors will always be present.  What will change will be the scale, and it's trending larger.

Wed, 02/03/2010 - 10:26 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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