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"Death By Water", Or The Start Of A Fresh Flood Of bin Laden Conspiracy Theories?

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Phlebas the Phoenician may not be Osama bin Laden, but the circumstances of his untimely end are oddly comparable to those surrounding the expiration of the Al Qaeda leader. Yet is there more than meets the eye. Once again, it is Politico sounding the alarm horn on a issue that is sure to inflame the "conspiratorial" bent of the population. As Politico notes in its latest must read analysis of the Osama endspiel, "while the watery grave may help diminish bin Laden’s status as a martyr
to his followers, it was already fueling conspiracy theories; as the
administration resisted releasing even photographs of the slain
terrorist leader on Monday, a predictable haze of myth and rumor had
already, inevitably, began to rise around him." Yet even the most grounded can not help by ask: why not at least present his body briefly to the "free world" and then shoot him into outer space if necessary (for all those who buy the "no shrine" theory). Although at the end of the day, the mission is more than successful: the population has a brand new and truly enveloping distraction to keep its preoccupied with largely irrelevant, although very emotionally charged, issues for a long time.

From Politico: Conspiracies say bin Laden lives

The decision to drop terror chieftain Osama bin Laden’s corpse into the Arabian Sea was the final meticulous step in a raid whose details were calculated to exert deadly force but also to achieve maximum effect in the propaganda war: the White House was careful to say bin Laden’s body had been treated according to Islamic tradition, but also to deny his followers a shrine.

But while the watery grave may help diminish bin Laden’s status as a martyr to his followers, it was already fueling conspiracy theories; as the administration resisted releasing even photographs of the slain terrorist leader on Monday, a predictable haze of myth and rumor had already, inevitably, began to rise around him.

The White House said Monday morning that it is running DNA tests on some element of Bin Laden’s remains, and that it’s debating releasing a photograph taken of him after the lethal U.S. raid on his Pakistani compound.

“The United States Government has not yet been made a decision on whether there will be a photo release,” White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said in an email.

No political leader of any weight has doubted the American story, though some Muslim leaders have criticized the action and there will be a delicate political calculation to be made by bin Laden’s presumed successor, Ayman Al Zawahiri, as to whether he confirms or denying the death.

But in an age of mistrust for authority, and when the mainstream media has lost its ability to damp down discredited theories, bin Laden’s death is already in dispute.

An arm of a Pakistani Taliban group led the charge Monday, according to Pakistan’s GEO TV, insisting that Bin Laden is still alive. Supporters rallied around a new Facebook group called, “Osama bin Laden NOT DEAD.” Meanwhile, the Pakistani and British media Monday fell prey to a recycled and faked photograph of a dead Bin Laden.

In the United States, suspicious voices rose across the political spectrum. Radio host Alex Jones, a powerful hub of anti-government sentiment and leader of those who believe the American government was behind the September 11 attacks, instantly floated his own theory: “Government had Osama bin Laden frozen for years.”

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan wrote her supporters, “I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you’re stupid. Just think to yourself—they paraded Saddam’s dead sons around to prove they were dead—why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent—just put your flags away and THINK!”

And on the conservative site Big Government, J. Michael Walker demanded that Obama lay the corpse out in lower Manhattan. “I’ll believe it when I see it,” he wrote.

Others speculated that perhaps bin Laden had never existed at all. And throughout a Muslim world in which bin Laden’s guilt in the 9/11 attacks remains, according to polls, widely doubted, the stealthy American incursion could only stir more conspiracy theorizing.

And yet the American decision not to display the cadaver was, to many analysts, a reasonable one.

“The conspiracy theories were inevitable. Conspiracy theory and bin Laden go together like olive oil and hummus,” said Hussein Ibish, a fellow at the American Task Force on Palestine, who said that burial at sea would be less anathema to Muslims than cremation, while having roughly the same effect. “You can’t stop the conspiracy theories but you can stop the shrine.”

“Inside the region, you’re dealing with an irrational, illogical mindset to begin with. And you’ve got people in this country who believe that the moon shot was filmed in Arizona,” said Aaron David Miller, a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars. “There will be people who think we never killed him and this is an invention and there will be people who think that he was innocent.”

The nature of modern warfare likely means that the U.S. government holds extensive video, photographic, and biometric evidence of bin Laden’s death. Government qualms about releasing photographs stem from the same impulse that led them to dispose of the body: A wish to avoid inflating the cult of a terrorist martyr.

But even photographs, in an age of digital trickery, may not convince everyone. The faked photos that re-emerged yesterday after circulating in 2009, for instance, are dramatic and compelling.

“The photos of Saddam Hussein’s sons did not really quiet the doubts about their death,” said Jon Alterman of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, who noted that the White House will probably avoid releasing photographs over the same propaganda concerns that prompted the burial at sea.

“I’m sure there are photographs. And I’m sure the administration will be extremely reluctant to release any of them if they can avoid it,” he said.

Though analysts of both American and Muslim politics said some level of conspiracy is inevitable, some factors could damp the theories down. Al-Zawahiri could use an announcement of bin Laden’s death to consolidate his organizational power. The Saudi ruling class, which owns much of the Arabic-language media, was bin Laden’s first target, and will likely celebrate his death, not perpetuate his legend. And bin Laden may be more useful to his movement as a martyr than as a myth.

“I think it’s going to be harder for them to create a conspiracy theory around this,” said Noah Pollak, the executive director of the Emergency Committee on Israel. “There’s no way to do it that flatters the Holy Warriors.”

And yet without Bin Laden’s head on a pike at the White House gate, most analysts of the running global conflict expect the theories to fester.

“Twenty years from now you, you’ll still find people in the Arabic world who insist that Osama bin Laden is still alive and living well in Karachi,” said Andrew Exum, a fellow at the Center for New American Security.


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Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:16 | 1231371 NOTW777
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how many thousand times did cnbc mention bin laden and obama today

how many times did they confuse obama for bin laden - i heard 2

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:22 | 1231385 wang
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said Andrew Exum, a fellow at the Center for New American Security (AKA the anti-terrorism lobby )


but what Andy didn't say is that's exactly what we want to keep the "dream' alive,  a veritbale eternal source of funding for the anti terror industry

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:29 | 1231747 JW n FL
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When we heard that Osama Bin Laden had been positively identified using DNA, we wanted to know: How did they do that so quickly?

"Forensic DNA testing can be done very quickly--in a few hours," says George Church, Professor of Genetics at Harvard Medical School and Director of the Center for Computational Genetics. (Church also heads up the Personal Genome Project, which we covered on NOVA scienceNOW back in 2008.) "Typically the protocol is PCR"--that's polymerase chain reaction, a technique for making multiple copies of a piece of DNA--"from tiny amounts of sample, followed by gel separation of DNA size variants." These "size variants," which are DNA chunks of different lengths, together create a unique "fingerprint" that can be used to identify an individual.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:34 | 1231779 NOTW777
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it can be done even faster when poll numbers are falling

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 20:35 | 1232343 Ahmeexnal
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How long before videos made by the SEAL team with their iPhones are uploaded to youtube, posing with a dying, naked covered in pigshit OBL, while a laughing dude forcefeeds him bacon, sausage and porkchops??

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 23:42 | 1232809 aerojet
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Um, never?  I doubt very much any SEALs ever partook of any such atrocities.  Those guys are true professional killers.  They would probably bring an extra 30 round mag in place of an iPhone. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 01:28 | 1232990 jeff montanye
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i've read speculation on the parallel between obama's "long form" birth certificate and osama's "long form" death certificate:  they get released at the start and the end of the reelection campaign respectively.  to stop the "silliness".

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 02:02 | 1233019 Real Estate Geek
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The parallel that both were signed by Linda Green?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:40 | 1231786 JW n FL
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U.S. Army Pys Ops Verse U.S. Congressmen & Senators  Federal Reserve Pays Banks 800% More for Deposits over Market Rate   


China: The Rich Are Fleeing

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 05:43 | 1233152 Hephasteus
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Great finds JW. You rock!!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 18:38 | 1232042 onthesquare
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1s watching CSI they had this thing like a box like thing and it was a hand held DNA like testiing thing

they just put some stuff init and pushed the botton an it came up with a face of the person

its so kool

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:24 | 1231405 Hammer Time
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How about this full moon in the vids? There was no full moon...., nowhere on this planet...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:40 | 1231515 LonePatriot
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Sorry but that is rational/logical thought.  That is not aloud in the free world

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:24 | 1231407 legal eagle
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If I had an ounce of silver for everytime cnbc showed his as if the media wants this guy to be a hero.....

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:33 | 1231469 Hedgetard55
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MSM creaming it's jeans over Obama for doing what they would have called a war crime if Bush had done it.


Obama earning his Peace Prize one terrorist, terrorist wife, or dictator's kid/grandkid, at a time.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 01:37 | 1232996 jeff montanye
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the msm didn't call bush's war crimes war crimes.  the new york times still refuses to use the word torture to describe any u.s. actions but uses it freely to describe similar actions by "others".

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 01:34 | 1232997 jeff montanye
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and if the msm thought bush committed war crimes how would obama not be vulnerable for not prosecuting them?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:31 | 1231454 Pladizow
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" Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play."

"The lie can be maintained for only such time as the state can shield the people from the political, economic and military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the state to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the state."

Nazi Minister of Propaganda - Joseph Goebbels

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:09 | 1231667 Alcoholic Nativ...
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The big lie theory.

24/7 Osama's picture is up there.


Shit is starting to get interesting.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:28 | 1231754 Silver Shield
Mon, 05/02/2011 - 20:38 | 1232372 Rusty Shorts
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Osama died Dec.26, 2001 per Fox News,2933,41576,00.html


Report from boots on the ground.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:24 | 1231733 Thorlyx
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"how many times did they confuse obama for bin laden - i heard 2"


Good that Bush was in charge in Iraq. They certainly would have confused Barack Hussein with Saddam Hussein. 

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:32 | 1231775 NOTW777
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all of sudden the obama business channel is using the phrase "war on terror"  now its cool to fight terror

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 19:29 | 1232194 nmewn
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Amazing what crashing polls will do.

I find it more than a little ironic that the seed of intel that made this all possible, is exactly what Obama, the MSM and the rest of the "out of work establishment" railed against...and was even considering bringing criminal charges against the former administration for.

Then someone apparently pointed out to the nubes...that could be your head in a basket in 4-8 yrs...then the Church Lady enters and says...oh, never mind.

Collective/selective amnesia...LOL.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 23:47 | 1232824 aerojet
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I never thought Bin Laden was real, I always figured he was a propaganda ploy, a character.  But SEALs don't risk their lives to kill a character, right?  Unless the whole thing was staged somehow.  I don't know if that is even possible.

I about threw up when I saw Cheney being interviewed this evening and was apparently trying to defend the Bush Administration's use of torture, although he didn't call it that, he said something like "agrgressive interrogation" or some other euphemism.  Cheney could have just kept his damn mouth shut, but no, he had to get on tv one more fucking time.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:34 | 1231780 Motorhead
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About time we had a good news story.  I sure was getting sick of hearing about the Barack Obama's birth certificate.  Oh, wait, that's the whole point!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 05:34 | 1233147 I Am The Unknow...
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Tyler, here is the official military report of the burial at sea off the coast of Pakistan on board the Carl Vinson.

Didn't your reports indicate the Vinson was in the Mediterranean?

Did it cross back through the Suez canal while we weren't looking?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1231375 Ruffcut
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Yep, he is partying right now in the caymens with ken lay.

the 72 whores are there too.

cnbs a few hundred times of binny.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:15 | 1231377 Greater Fool
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"Those are pearls that were his eyes."

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:10 | 1231663's picture

Full fathom five bin Laden* lies.


* Or a reasonable facsimile thereof.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:16 | 1231378 MrBinkeyWhat
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"The media is the message." Norbert Weiner

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:18 | 1231387 falak pema
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the phony death certificate is the real birth certificate...for re-election!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:23 | 1231720 TBT or not TBT
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Yeah, right after Obummer ends:   the endless deficits, the associated dollar printing, and federal regulation and intervention in health care and several dozen other domains we don't need it doing.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 21:21 | 1232482 earlthepearl
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It is simple:
They are going to slowly release info/photos/videos over the next weeks/months
They need to milk the shit out of this

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:29 | 1231444 BobPaulson
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If you mean "medium" that was Marshall McLuhan, but agreed.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:13 | 1231672's picture

Who are the geniuses who are junking your factual correction?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:37 | 1235456 BobPaulson
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Dunno. Didn't want to rebut and seem thin skinned.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 19:29 | 1232188 msamour
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hey don't worry about it, not every one can have a degree in Mass Communication.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 00:40 | 1232917 Milestones
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Correct. Norbert Weiner wrote a book some years earlier " Cybernetics and Society: The human use of human beings. I believe it was published in 1908. Monster book.        Milestones      

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:19 | 1231379 Misean
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The neadersheeple bray with blood lust on the mind. But I wonder if this is a trial balloon to declare victory and leave Trashcanistan...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:53 | 1231567 buzzsaw99
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I hope so.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:19 | 1231381 TruthInSunshine
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Who knows what happened.

With that disclaimer, they should have sent the alleged remains to the Moon, which would have stirred multiple conspiracy theorist camps, and made for an even greater distraction.

The government peeps aren't very creative.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:09 | 1231657 BobPaulson
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The remains were dropped in a combination of locations including Area 51, The Bermuda Triangle and The Dark Side of the Moon. Now the anybody who questions this laughable assassination narrative will immediately be associated and dismissed ;)

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:19 | 1231383 NOTW777
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come on - dont you believe ben when he testifies he wont monetize debt? or obama when he promised every second of the healthcare debate would be on cspan and everyone would get copies of proposed legislation well in advance?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:17 | 1231384 Silver Bug
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They either think, we are incredibly stupid. Or flat out want us to form conspiracies, as this is almost laughable.


They release fake photos to the press this morning, because people are demanding them. They then retract that they actually did this, and the photos were sent out by a conspiracy theorist!


Then to make matters worse, oops they dumped the body in the ocean, therefore we can't show you it. WHAT? How does this even remotely seem logical. Of course this is a complete hoak! He died years ago.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1231401 Misean
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Yep. A man on dialysis in the late 90's usually under good circumstances doesn't last that long. Not that it matters.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:24 | 1231419 haskelslocal
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"...Or flat out want us to form conspiracies..."

Maybe it's not "us" that "they" are asking to form conspiracies.


a) You'd not leave a body behind to martyr.

b) You want to leave the opponents side guessing as to what may have happened.

c) You'd not want to make a public display of remains to be disrepsected and avenged.

d) As is Jim Morrison and Elvis, better left still alive for minds to remain off course from reality.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:38 | 1231482 Hedgetard55
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They blow his face off, and then are worried they might inflame Muslims if he is not buried properly?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1231530 Canucklehead
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They are using him as bait for Somalis...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:17 | 1231687's picture

If the US government really wanted to avoid upsetting Muslims they'd stop bombing their kids.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:24 | 1231736 RichardP
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Good grief Crockett.  You are a stuck record.  Don't the Israeli's and Americans ever bomb adults?  I've never seen you acknowledge that.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 18:13 | 1231826's picture

Of course murderers kill people of all ages, including kids. But that's just getting you excited so I'll stop now.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 22:02 | 1232574 A Nanny Moose
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wedding parties have adults....sometimes.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:23 | 1231727 RichardP
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Shot through the eye does not equal blow his face off.  There was enough face left for the Facial Recognition software to work with.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:59 | 1231873 Money Squid
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;)  of course there was.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:19 | 1231389 unclebigs
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Unconfirmed rumor that Ken Lay and Obama Bin Laden are now Lovers.



Tue, 05/03/2011 - 00:22 | 1232891 palmereldritch
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I think the fact that you were junked confirms that at least one of them is still alive.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1231391 Maxter
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I though the conspiracy was that he died 5 years ago or so.  Not that he is still alive.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1231392 smeagol
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Fuck this bullshit, what is of note, however, is yet another access market takedown of gold and silver on huge volume on the otherwise thinly traded market by 'da boyz'. $43.60 silver? buy it. weak hands and late comers just got burned. Strong hands will buy this.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:19 | 1231394 haskelslocal
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Now that's what a call water boarding!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:34 | 1231462 bruiserND
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that's funny!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1231397 NOTW777
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everyone can feel proud that obama has made our military gay friendly and competent to provide islamic funerals

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1231399 maximin thrax
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They should have hauled him around the country, like was done Lincoln's body, to give everyone a chance at a cathartic look at the corpse.

Then, as one ZH'er proposed, cremate him and place his ashes into urinal cakes so we can all piss on him.

But I guess we're supposed to be bigger than that, to impress...who, exactly?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:22 | 1231410 falak pema
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only your dumb self! If you be civilized below the skin...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1231400 falak pema
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"Death on the nile" was her masterpiece. O'bama's masterpiece is "mugged on the hills and deep shit in foggy bottoms"...Murky title for a murder mystery that defies a crystal clear denouement. Where are you Hercule???

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1231402 TruthInSunshine
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"Let me control a nation's money supply, and I care not who makes its laws, nor whether Osama Bin Laden is dead or even ever existed as portrayed."

--Mayer Amschel Rothschild

From 'Fiat to Win; Throw Them Red Herrings & Take What You Want'


Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:27 | 1231420 Misean
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But we've always been at war with (insert name here)!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:30 | 1231440 Comrade de Chaos
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(to TruthInS) And he said the above phrase to you?

Or is there any book, article, letter where he said the above?


In general wars were bad for the banking business in the 19 century.



Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:02 | 1231632 john39
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not sure about that.  who loans governments all the money to take to play war?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 21:35 | 1232504 1fortheroad
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See link. Its in there somewhere. A good read if you like that sort of thing.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:24 | 1231404 BobPaulson
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Anything that does not corroborate the psyops fairy tales will always be called conspiracy theories. It's so predictable now it stuns me that there is a single soul who takes this seriously.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:17 | 1231703's picture

Remember the Maine!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:23 | 1231412 primalplasma
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I'm as happy as anyone that the sucker is gone...Not to burst the happy bubble here, but I distinctly remember reports that the US had his body in custody after the firefight. Now they are saying that he was buried at sea? A little strange.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1231414 tekhneek
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We'll have the loch ness monster and the tooth fairy right where we need'em in no time...dead. followed by a famiy of unicorns who be swimmin' with the fishes...


Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:26 | 1231416 Comrade de Chaos
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It's Dead. 

It might not have happened the way government describes it. And the date, manner and timing of such a press release seems way too convenient. However there is no point of going all out with such a huge bluff.

If the CIA still knew every move of OBL, he would be gone ether by 2004 or 2008. There is no logical way around it. 

Finally , OBL did mention number of times he IS resposible for 9-11 and it seemed as he took pride in it. 


As for why there won't be showing of OBL head, the below is a good explanation:

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 21:55 | 1232562 1fortheroad
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(Finally , OBL did mention number of times he IS responsible for 9-11 and it seemed as he took pride in it. )

That's what you've been told by MSM.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:28 | 1231423 sabra1
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funny how all those people last night celebrating were college kids, waving little plastic american flags, which were made in china! they must've been bussed in illegal aliens! doesn't the bernank look like the overweight, short version of the osama?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:35 | 1231773 RichardP
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George Washington University is a short walk away.  Georgetown University is a bit further, but doable by bicycle, taxi, or city bus.  No need to bus the kids in, but they might have been "encouraged" to show up.  Or not.  Google maps is your friend.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:29 | 1231429 Milton Waddams
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Intelligence analysts are reporting that Pat Tillman shot Osama while on a mission to rescue Jessica Lynch who was being held hostage in the same spiderhole hiding the weapons of mass deception.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:32 | 1231445 thedrickster
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That's funny, another source claims TWO self inflicted gun shot wounds to the head.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:30 | 1231431 wang
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Another conspiracy


That's two, count 'em, two features from Politico today.  That speaks volumes - or - Who owns Zero Hedge? Reminds me of Business Insider, which is a HuffPo surrogate.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:30 | 1231433 johnnynaps
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I see Bin Laden being able to evade our forces for 10 years a slap in our face. He truly lived in a free society. Had he tried to hide in the US, we would have captured him in 3 weeks with all our survelliance and nazi-like checkpoints. He probably could have lasted 2 months in Europe and days in China. But, the fact that he was able to hide for 10 years living large in a mansion near a resort just shows that even the ME has more true freedom than we do.

If it took any longer, he probably would have died of old age! Maybe he let his skills subside? I figure, he wanted to at least see that he won. He attacked our financial capital and our government and to this day.......both are in shambles. He probably figured, he like us were past the point of no return. The difference, 300 million.  

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:41 | 1231808 SuperRay
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duh, you actually think osama was alive two days ago?  He's been dead for years.  This is all bullshit - a huge distraction to cover up something that is happening or is about to happen.  Like, oh, maybe, a retaliatory strike by "al queda" (nee CIA contractors) on American soil so TPTB can take away even more freedoms and tighten their grip on the throat of the taxpayer.  guarantee Obama's reelection?  after all he's TPTB's dream president - a prettyboy democrat with no balls and savvy enough to know how to squawk about democratic policies without ever getting anything done...


Hope silver tanks even more tomorrow - need to add to my physical...c'mon, boys sell'er down!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:53 | 1231833 overmedicatedun...
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seems they need a way to make somebody a hero war making president..but he is sooo metro sexual it ain't gonna stick...

No body- no proof- no shit.

holly wood would reject this script out of hand.

no one would believe it, wait a minute, Erin Burnett is swallowing it whole.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 03:55 | 1233099 StychoKiller
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Mad oral skillz, FTW!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:28 | 1231439 Mercury
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But in an age of mistrust for authority, and when the mainstream media has lost its ability to damp down discredited theories, bin Laden’s death is already in dispute.

Well did he or did he not come down for breakfast this morning?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:32 | 1231443 DrFever
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Did it ever occur to anyone he might have already been dead by now?  You know the government doesn't help quash all these conspiracy theories when they do things as idiotic as they do.  Burying him at sea before showing off the body?  You OPEN the door to lunatic theories when you do things like that.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:33 | 1231449 A Lunatic
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Either way you slice it, Bin laden alive or dead, WTF does it mean to me? How does this translate to MY bottom line as a working class American citizen?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:41 | 1231809 Ethics Gradient
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It rather depends on the reaction of his amigos.

Then it depends on the reaction to the reaction....

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:34 | 1231450 Dr. Porkchop
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I post from time to time on another forum that is not political or finance based. It contains a fairly diverse cross-section of Americans, as well as people from all over the world. I visited there to get a feel for how this is being received by the non-ZH, more mainstream public. Sadly, they are eating it up. I would not be surprised if this little stunt wins Obama the next election, while all of his faults are forgotten, until of course reality catches up.

Yes, this will spawn a whole new series of conspiracy theories in addition to the pre-existing ones, all while the major problems facing the country are swept under the rug for the election cycle.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1231550 NOTW777
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obama owns the media - just watch 10 minutes of cnbc. i'm surprised they didnt suggest obama himself pulled the trigger.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:31 | 1231455 Lord Welligton
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So Bin Laden was buried at sea because burial has to happen within 24 hours.


Were is the video of the others who died in the raid.

Please don't suggest that they didn't have a recording device.

There should have been four (?) funerals within 24 hours.

How about this.

It was another mission entirely.

It went wrong. Black Hawk down. Couldn't be covered up.

Hey presto.

Bin Laden was trapped. Resisted capture. Was killed.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:42 | 1231508 Hedgetard55
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Obama wanted to inter the body at the Ground Zero mosque but was over ruled by Uncle Joe Bite-me.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1231531 Lord Welligton
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Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:34 | 1231456 Bansters-in-my-...
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The White House...

Should that not be called the "House of Joo's"

Just like over their at the Non Federal/No Reserves NY Fed.

Where all the Jew Confetti is sewed up.

........Some free speech.....FUCK IRSAEL......

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 09:07 | 1233467 BigJim
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You're an Israeli troll, aren't you, sent here to make anti-zionists look i) ignorant, and ii) anti-semitic.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:32 | 1231458 sabra1
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now watch for false flag terrorist events, which would make us happily accept more homeland security stupidity taking our rights away! and.... don't forget to embrace the almighty oBLAHma, who will save us from all this "terror!"

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:37 | 1231474 IH10
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I moved to UT from CA.  This is kind of like the angel that took away those gold plates from Joe Smith before anyone had a chance to see them (without "spiritual eyes" of course).  The funny thing about cultures and sub-cultures is something can seem blatanly obvious to one person, and highly conspiratorial to others, depending on what signs and cues in your culture you've been trained to look for.  If I tried to convince the majority here that they were fools for believing in these gold plates they never saw, I'd be hung for heresy.   

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:43 | 1231815 RichardP
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Life is small indeed for those who cannot believe in things they cannot see.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:35 | 1231477 Rynak
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More distraction from politico? OBL "as the US gov portrayed him" never existed. Maybe the guy used for the vids was some inhouse actor, maybe the real OBL died long ago and they recycled his personality as a zombie sockpuppet, maybe he was killed long ago, or maybe he completely never existed.... i don't know which of those is true - in any case, the public personality of OBL did neither die yesterday nor did it survive - it doesn't exist to begin with. All that happened yesterday was a (really badly done) hollywood movie.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:50 | 1231554 Greater Fool
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Yeah, it all does have a little of the flavor of some TV series where an actor got into a contract dispute with the network, which promptly writes the character out with a plane crash in Guatemala.

I'd be a bit readier to put on the tinfoil hat if I could see a point in the timing, but frankly I don't see what the WH gains by staging this now. A lot of the Clinton-era and Bush-era baiting was fairly obvious from a timing standpoint, but this just doesn't scan as useful.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 22:41 | 1232666 chindit13
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The world is waiting for your proof. With the degree of certainty you exhibit, surely you have proof other than links to some internet guru's website.  You have the unique opportunity to use the MSM to your advantage, as they will surely pay big bucks for your documents, photos, taped interviews and other proof you so obviously have.

Please don't tell me you are just another kind of sheeple, albeit one who has chosen another omniscient source of The Truth.  That would be so disappointing!

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:38 | 1231478 LookingWithAmazement
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Has anyone already seen a real picture of the dead Osama Bin Laden? Or of his "burial at sea"? If no, why should we believe the whole story?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1231527 Lord Welligton
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I look forward to the "burial at sea" video.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:41 | 1231480 medicalstudent
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(have they changed the popular spelling of his name so as to not freudianly conflate with bho?)


its all BS.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:36 | 1231488 I am a Man I am...
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shoot him in the face, no problem/not give him a traditional religious burial, absolutely out of the question

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:39 | 1231490 Bansters-in-my-...
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"No political leader of any weight has doubted the American story"

No political leader of any weight is worth listening to.

Each and everyone is a puppet,bought and paid for shill.


For the Banksters distraction.

And most people...oops,sheeple,buy into it.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:40 | 1231492 AldoHux_IV
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Perhaps a dress rehearsal for the 'execution' of those responsible in the biggest economic genocide the world has seen to date.  Bernanke, Geithner, DSK, et al will have I'm sure taken the necessary scuba diving lessons to endure the 'burial by sea'.

Will the public buy it? Seems that for so many years we've been chasing this guy, you would think some kind of visual proof for the world wouldn't be too much to ask for-- isn't this how Hitler exited the world?  No wonder Obama went a different tact.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:37 | 1231496 Canucklehead
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First off, give the people a few weeks and they will forget Osama Bin Laden.  Look at the follow-up on the Japanese nuclear issue.  That was so last month... or the month prior.

Let people vent and then they can get on with their lives.  Osama Bin Laden won't end up a martyr.  He will be a "mark" or a "tell".

I just wonder how many people shot posters of Osama at a firing range during the last 10 years.  I know I did.

I assume there were no trophy pictures taken.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:39 | 1231506 user2011
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I think not releasing photo is ok to avoid the same trouble as Sadddam's sons incident.

But I think Obama and his admin should have said that they were trying to capture him alive for trial but they were critically wound during the fight.   I think that may jives better than saying Osama was killed. 

The speech in fact has holes in it.   Obama said the fighting was less than 24 hours.  And then the sea burial can take place so quick ?

Osama worth more alive than dead.  At least he could have been used as a lure to capture other terrorists.

Anyway,  Obama need some good news for his election.  He need some excuse to cut the Afghan war short to save money and economy. 

That is the crude solution to it.  No one in both side of the isle to challenge it.   They all want to find a way of the messy situation.

Anyway, bye bye Afghanistan,  we are leaving you to the Taliban.






Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:40 | 1231802 Agent P
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"Osama worth more alive than dead.  At least he could have been used as a lure to capture other terrorists."

Most definitely.  I think it's one of the following four scenarios:

  1. The story is more or less true, only they wanted to take him alive but it didn't work out as planned (most doubtful).
  2. They finally caught up to him, manufactured the death story, and he is at a black site right now getting his nails done.
  3. They've had him for sometime now, have all the intel they're going to get, finally killed him, and staged this as the cover story.
  4. Same as #3, only he's still alive and this was manufactured just to spur additional activity (by either side depending on your conspiratorial views).


Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:40 | 1231513 alien-IQ
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Where's the photos?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:44 | 1231534 Rynak
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If my intuition is any indication, they do have some photos of a dead.... whoever that is..... which they will release later, to put sceptics into submission.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:31 | 1231753 Thorlyx
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"Where's the photos?"

Sounds like a mission for Cousteau's team.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:42 | 1231522 TexDenim
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Osama is Obama with one letter changed! Surely that is significant? At least, it ought to be grist for a weird conspiracy theory?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1231613 the grateful un...
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CNN was referring to him as Usama last night, really I thought these idiots singing outside the WH were Tea Party, and they thought Obama was dead, 

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:32 | 1231697 Thorlyx
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"these idiots singing outside the WH were Tea Party, and they thought Obama was dead"

That would make sense.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:44 | 1231524 the grateful un...
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but really, they couldn't take him alive? of course they could have, they could have tasered him, shot him with rubber bullets. was there that much firepower in the house, and if they knew he was there why not surround the place. sorry the dog ate my homework angle doesn't cut it. this is the lyingest adminstration since George the dissembler and its not getting any better. if Obama was really smart, he would thrown Bin Ladens body in the sea and said nothing. there was nothing to gain except more mistrust. 

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:45 | 1231541 TexDenim
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Had they taken him alive, where would have been jailed? Gitmo? And what about a trial? Wouldn't that just give him a soapbox? Besides, UBL is smarter than your average prosecutor and he might have won. Better just to croak him.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:49 | 1231564 alien-IQ
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do you require any proof or are you totally good with the "trust us, he's dead" story?

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:15 | 1231690 Thorlyx
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If the government say so, it must be true.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:56 | 1231588 the grateful un...
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first you bring up something the public has pretty much forgotten, then you imply you have resolved it, then you act in a way such that it will never be resolved. no wonder the bankers run this country. for example, Obama makes an announcement, Eric Holder has identified several bankers who were guilty of collusion to defraud the US government, in the 2008 financial crisis including some high ranking Bush administration officials. We can't give you the names. But they are being punished.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:03 | 1231634 Waterfallsparkles
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If they took him alive then just maybe he would have said he was working the the United States Government or the CIA.  Too risky for them to try him. 

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:44 | 1231540 Rick64
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Don't worry Trump will be all over this.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:48 | 1231553 Dr. Porkchop
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Osama has joined the ranks of Elvis, JFK and The Elephant man. Welcome to the World Weekly News.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:20 | 1231704 Thorlyx
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Osama has left the building...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:50 | 1231556 Waterfallsparkles
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If Donald Trump puts up enough of a fuss the body will show up for all to see.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:48 | 1231557 A Lunatic
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There is a rumor that Barney Frank is having a watch fob made from OBL's foreskin.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:50 | 1231566 sheeple2012
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They sure are getting alot of mileage out of Mrs. UBL ... so far I've heard: A) he used her as a human shield (what a scumbag); B) she was KIA in the raid (sad but fitting end for her) and C) she identified his corpse for the SEALs (maybe she was kind of a cool chik?)

So I guess it went A-C-B? Or maybe A-B-C as she was dying? or maybe it was C-B-A with her playing the role of cadaver

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 01:27 | 1232988 chindit13
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You do know ObL was a Moslem, yes?  Up to four wives at a time, and even those easily replaced ("I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you"....Done).

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:54 | 1231571 buzzsaw99
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Declare victory in Afghanistan and go home.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:54 | 1231590 ZackAttack
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Double-tap to the left eye,  it ain't gonna be a pretty picture.

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Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:05 | 1231595 Hacksaw
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Is OBL really dead, did the USA really kill him, did he take down the twin towers or was it a false flag operation by the USA, who the f**k cares. The real story and what the average Joe should be focused on is we spent all that money and wasted all those lives to get revenge for a few thousand Wall street types. I have sympathy for the families of the individuals, but after all that sacrifice that was made to get even for them, Wall street screwed the USA to the wall and wrecked our economy. Talk about a bunch of ingrates. Thank you Wall street, we squandered our money and young men and women getting even for you and you screwed us in return.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 22:45 | 1232670 chindit13
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While I might agree that the blood and treasure spent getting him (Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.) was excess and made the US few friends (nobody likes the killing innocents, whether it is malice aforethought or callous indifference), saying 911 was "a few thousand Wall Street types" is both uncaring and wrong.  Clerical staff, restaurant workers, tourists, firefighters, police, maintenance staff, security guards, etc., are hardly "Wall Street types".  Cold is cold.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:57 | 1231597 the grateful un...
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i'm waiting for bin-ladens next video, and guaran-damn-tee you there will be one.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:56 | 1231604 rambler6421
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I don't know if Alex Jones is crazy or not.........I checked his site out.....those are some extreme views.  Not his views on the Federal Reserve though.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:02 | 1231619 thedrickster
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Don't worry, Cass Sunstein will deal with him in time.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:33 | 1231777 A Lunatic
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Yeah, he's crazy alright; and that means something coming from me.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 18:19 | 1231966 SME MOFO
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i laughed

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:57 | 1231608 Waterfallsparkles
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I guess I am one of those people that do not believe the Government.

After all with Hussein we got to watch video of his hanging. We had video of him after his capture looking like a rat.  We had not doubt they had captured him.

Now Osama, there is no video, no picture of his death,  no pictures of his dead wife, his son, or anyone else.  They dump the body in the ocean before anyone gets to see it or examine it.

Being Al Quida was supposed to be working with the Us in the Middle East if in fact they got news that he died of natural causes and sent in helicopters to retrieve the body.  Saying it was to kill him and look like a hero to the American people.  Just maybe he was already dead and the mission was to make sure he got a proper Muslim Burial.

But, without a body who will ever know?



Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:06 | 1231639 silvertrain
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OH , They have the video{s}, Camera's were mounted on everyone one of those seal's helmets capturing all the action live..The public will probably not see it for many years however..

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:13 | 1231680 Lord Welligton
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They have the video{s},


They will have videos.

They just haven't made them yet.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1231614 High Plains Drifter
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army psyops .

i think they are here now.

i know they are on other places i go to. subtle but effective somewhat, if your opinion can be affected by such nonsense. my mind is not right, so it doesn't bother me in the least. i am just a old insurgent in my mind and in my heart and what they say will not change me one bit...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:05 | 1231631 thedrickster
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Check out the comment section of any YouTube video criticizing the TSA. The paid government trolls are amazingly transparent.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 18:43 | 1232055 JR
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“The Secret Team That Killed bin Laden,” reports the National Journal, this” specially trained and highly mythologized SEAL Team Six, officially called the Naval Special Warfare Development Group but known even to the locals at their home base Dam Neck in Virginia as just DevGru… belongs to the Joint Special Operations Command, an extraordinary and unusual collection of classified standing task forces and special-missions units. They report to the president and operate worldwide based on the legal (or extra-legal) premises of classified presidential directives…, the military remains especially sensitive about their existence.”

It’s the president’s assassination squad.

This is what happens when you don’t have representative government - the warrantless wiretaps, the strip searches, the Guantanamos, the build-up of a police-state “homeland security” force, a bill of rights replaced by a "government patriot” act. It happens because the people have lost control of the government and their “Congress is of no consequence.

It happens when the Office of the President of the United States is no longer under control of the President but under the control of who’s controlling the President.  They can tell him anything to get his signature: and when you have presidents who don’t know much about the world, like Obama, the office no longer reflects elected representation.

And it all comes down to just a “boom boom” – a double tap:

“After bursts of fire over 40 minutes, 22 people were killed or captured. One of the dead was Osama bin Laden, done in by a double tap -- boom, boom -- to the left side of his face. His body was aboard the choppers that made the trip back. One had experienced mechanical failure and was destroyed by U.S. forces, military and White House officials tell National Journal.”

Just a $Trillion U.S.A.-made ME “boom boom.”

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:00 | 1231622 silvertrain
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How long did it take to catch Eric Rudolf? Im serious, It was close to that long...He was in the NC mountains I think..Them damn Mountains give us hell..
"Jesse James was one of his names" real good book, and another legend that pulled a rope a dope I think...

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:07 | 1231649 ZackAttack
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I spend a lot of time in there... it would be hard to find someone who didn't want to be found and who knew his way around.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:01 | 1231625 ml8ml8
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Al-Aribiya is citing U.S. officials as stating that UBL made a tape just before his death and it will be released soon.  I wonder what it says.

Mon, 05/02/2011 - 17:17 | 1231686 Alcoholic Nativ...
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Probably a lot, over a still picture of Osama.

Adam the american wrote most of the post 9/11 Osama transcripts.

Truth is treason in the empire of lies.

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