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DebtWire Reports CIT Bondholders Push For More Equity During Call

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CIT bondholders are starting to disagree on who gets the spoils. This is not very surprising, seeing how they have little (read no) downside to their existing bargaining position. Either way, in today's call hosted by Little Bear Investments, the bondholders are standing firm on their bargaining position. As reported by DebtWire:

During the call, participants discussed the possibility of reaching out to CIT to negotiate a higher equity consideration, said the sources. The group also broached the potential of pushing for a contingent value payment, according to the sources.

The contingent value payment would be structured as a tradable security that functions much like management bonus pool, with holders receiving payments if CIT meets certain corporate performance hurdles, said the sources.

Just in case there was any doubt how politically correct the bondholders are, especially for a firm that has implicit taxpayer backing in it, $2.3 billion worth of in fact, and lest Little Bear is seen as an entity impeding the "pursuit" of taxpayer interests (see Perella Weinberg and Chrysler, and what happened there), here is the generic disclosure that will now accompany each and every soon to be bankruptcy in which the government has a stake:

Call participants said they support CIT's efforts to restructure debt via a bond exchange, and prefer the company restructures outside of bankruptcy, said the sources.

Yet here is why these "efforts" are doomed to fail: any time new negotiating positions come to the bargaining table, you can be sure that unless Steve Rattner is there doing the "negotiating", no out of court consensus can be reached, especially when the pie is as large and as ripe for the taking, as CIT.

The committee will select seven or eight bond holders to form an executive committee that will negotiate directly with CIT and its representatives, said the sources. To serve on the executive committee, members must meet a certain minimum holding size threshold and sign confidentiality agreements, they said.



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Tue, 10/06/2009 - 18:54 | Link to Comment bonddude
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Don't they know what happens to bondholders in the "NEW" America ???

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Unless TBTF is involved, so far.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:37 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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look @ who owns the bonds @ tbtf institutions.

then you will get the answer to "we had to, we just had to".

not that i agree with the answer because clearly the correct solution was for bondholders to take haircut.  of course if you are the US government and plan on issuing at least $2T in debt every year (in perpetuity as near as i can tell), you are beholden to the buyers of that debt. 

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Spot on Lizzy. Or as I've heard said, follow the money.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:06 | Link to Comment bonddude
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...or the insider banks see another opportunity

to steal another financial company's book. ;-)

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 20:03 | Link to Comment AndItsGone
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Paging Robo... paging Robo... please pick up the red courtesy phone in the lobby.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 20:57 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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WTF !!!

You can't be f*cking serious here. Whoever gives these guys money deserves to lose it. I know you can't tell a book by it's cover but this is ridiculous...

The Olsen twins would eat these kids for breakfast.


Tue, 10/06/2009 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 10/06/2009 - 22:49 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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ROTFLMAOWTIME...  Their pictures are hysterical... Zachary's looks like it is his senior class picture;  Jeffrey's is a picture of him sitting at his kitchen table;  and Cathryn I think is trying to look really sexy but just not quite making it...

"Zachary spent 18 months as the CFO of a Brooklyn-based catering firm, and before that he developed a proprietary enterprise software package for shoe importers"  OMG... catering and shoes are his specialties  :-)

"Cathryn Dwyre, the V.P. of Operations for Little Bear Investments, graduated from Colgate University with a dual degree in philosophy and geology."  I'm still rolling on the floor over that dual degree combo  :-)


Tue, 10/06/2009 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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That page is the ideal pictorial of bubble investing (the whole site reads like an even better picturebook; how much money do these people hande?).  It might need to be cached, for after when the 'team' is directed to this thread.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 23:10 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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I agree that it does need to be cached... we would not want to lose this classic pictorial of what bubblemania actually created... I really can't believe their website... and I can't decide what is creating the most laughter for me:

  • that they are the principals in this 'business'
  • that they manage money that exceeds what is in their checking account
  • that they developed this website and in their judgement they thought it was professional
  • that they had to pad their 'bio' with catering, shoes, geology, and philosophy.


Tue, 10/06/2009 - 23:22 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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This combo could work.

Highheeled hiking nerdy girls with glasses looking for gushers. Just needs a porn for equity trade.

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 23:57 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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Someone is feeling clever tonight...

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Wed, 10/07/2009 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 10/07/2009 - 01:49 | Link to Comment I am a Man I am...
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Of fuck I can't take it.  This might be the funniest shit I have ever seen.  Someone is having fun right?

Love the "add me to your buddy list/ send me an IM" below their profiles.


Wed, 10/07/2009 - 08:07 | Link to Comment aus_punter
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i know - someone put me out of my misery and tell me it's a fake.... too fukking funny, way too funny

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 08:19 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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Cathryn - "Even as a child, like 5 years ago - I wondered what rocks that's why I got my degree..."
Zachary - "So why do you want to work here? Oh, nice shoes by the way"
Cathryn - "Thanks! Well, in college I changed my name to highlight the Y to match my philosophy degree. And I learned that rocks don't use money.
Zachary - "OO, don't forget to try one of these associate Jeffrey was inspired by your picture and is Sears getting one done right now. Soooo, when can you start?"

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 06:09 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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The actual picture of the "little bear" looks about as well drawn as something I drew on the back of a cocktail napkins a few years ago.

In fact, it looks exactly like the bear I drew. I'm calling my lawyer because one of these guys (let it be the girl, please, please, please) must have dumpster dived to retrieve my hand drawn bear for their corporate logo.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 09:42 | Link to Comment OrganicGeorge
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Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland form an investement house.



Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:14 | Link to Comment Great Depressio...
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Bailout coming

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 10/06/2009 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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I know everyone was thinking it was this team (which seems to have more experience in bonds):

Tue, 10/06/2009 - 22:53 | Link to Comment MinnesotaNice
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Wed, 10/07/2009 - 01:16 | Link to Comment Michael
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The Blog Stream Media (BSM) really seems to be commig of age these days. They are making laws agains us, and the chatter about us in the MSM these days is now a daily thing.

Wed, 10/07/2009 - 07:19 | Link to Comment aus_punter
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too funny - Caitlin looks fucking scary to me !!!

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