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If only...
Such documents (including the original) are meaningless without bloodshed to back them up.
Agreed. Thus let every zerohedger in agreement go buy a Samurai sword and practice one strike decapitation for the approaching day of reckoning, when Wall Street will be drenched in bankster blood - a slaughterhouse for the ages, memorialized for all time - among others presumably by Banzai.
Sign me up!
Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. These mules clearly fit in one of Leo Strauss'(*) categories of society: the Vulgar Many
"The vulgar many, are lovers of wealth and pleasure. They are selfish, slothful, and indolent. They can be inspired to rise above their brutish existence only by fear of impending death or catastrophe."
The sooner the US economy collapses, the better, so these brutes will finally learn NOT to live beyond their means.
* German Philosopher (1899-1973)
Hate to say it but I agree with this statement.
It's the ones who are lean, mean and green all around who need watching. I lost 60 pounds this year and last and intend to keep it off. Fitness may become more important than financial power.
yea but how do you deal with planning the next system? if you don't plan it, then it is destined repeat the precise same mistakes that lead us to the current corrupt system.and there is the risk that the next stage of the u.s. sees us owned by a mafia like conglomorate far more exclusively oligarchic than anything we've been used to for the last fifty years.
take note, a significant number of russians long for the good old days of communism. putinism, while different, was no great triumph and has led many people into a worse life than before.
different, does not mean better. how do you make it better?if you have no plan to do that, you are just advocating more change, which inevitably, results in things staying the same.
How do you make things better?
You keep corporations and banks small(er) and controlled - and political power local.
notice how local politics do not even mention dems and repubs down at the county hall? they are too busy having to balance the budget
So long as structures of power remain, lovers of power will destroy millions.
The state is THE problem.
This is the barbaric world that other sentient species avoid.
So we need to keep business small and localised? In other words we need a factory in everyones backyard? Ok Mao, I'll get the Red Guards working on it...
Actually what you are saying makes no sense, you cannot put a leash on a persons entrepreneurial spirit and drive and still have political power remain small. Even if you could it would be to the detriment off all as you're giving away the opportunity to benefit from division of labor.
Unlike governments a corporation has never forced someone to use it's services nor has it the power to enslave someone or wage war... most problems they cause are due to government (eg historical Wall Street bailouts and access to money with distorted time preferences and opportunity costs which created a moral hazard causing the GFC). Government is the only thing we need to keep decentralised or non existant.
. . .Monsanto, Raytheon, GE, Xe & all its obfuscating psuedonyms spring immediately to mind, not to mention the banking corporations. . . also historically the East India Company setting the precedent.
and while I understand your noting that "government causes the problems" - most who do the "governing" are in paid service to those corporations, at this point in time it's really a chicken / egg conundrum.
getting rid of "government" will solve nothing unless you kill the corporations that steer it with fiat & promises of power.
(didn't junk you)
East India Company was essentially a government arm, it was the archetypal mercantilist organisation, it's monopoly was enforced by military action and 19th century contra smuggling (Opium Wars). It was a creation of the ideas of bullionism and mercantilism some moron bureaucrats and thier paids for economists like Adam Smith dreamed up. Raytheon, GE, Xe etc.. all of them are contracted by a government, it defies all logic for a free market to demand the deadly goods and services these companies offer.
Yes as it stands those governing are in paid service to corporations but this is solely a fault of government. Without government not even a businessman as evil as Dr Evil or Mr Burns could force someone to use their deadly services.
edit: I didn't junk you either. And we don't need to kill corporations like GE, Xe, Monsanto, BAC, JPM, GS etc... if we could get rid of government and the anti competitive aspects it creates that allow for these mega congolmerates (IP, fiat money, crony contracts) they'll soon shrink back to size.
Plan?
There ain't gonna be no plan!
It is human nature, man is doomed to repeat the cycle over and over again. It is a societal cycle. We are approaching the end of ours.
Step one: get control of the currency.
Step two: stop the politicians from being purchased by limiting contributions.
Step three: See step two.
That's a rather nasty do-loop ya got there...
The enlightened Europeons would never allow the bankers to fuck up their countries nor would they ever dream of living beyond their means. ROFLMAO
1) German banks own Greek debt, so Greek debt = German risk.
2) many Americans (ie. Paris Hilton) have German ancestry, so what happened to industrious German culture?
3) Germany has tons of debt too. 19th in the world in 2010 with 80% debt-to-GDP ratio.
4) Why didn't Germans live within their means in early 20th century and instead invade rest of Europe....twice?
You write from ignorance. 1914: Serb death squad, armed and trained by Russian and French Secret Services, invades Austrian Empire and kills Archduke....precisely in order to trigger destruction of an already-encircled Germany. 1939: Poles refuse to negotiate status of territory stolen from Germany at Versailles, 1919. Instead begin massacre of ethnic Germans. Hitler invades, Germany then backstabbed by Brits. How dare those beastly Huns fight back!!
History is always written by the winner. Were there trials in Nuremberg for the servicemen and women involved in Dresden? Nagasaki? Their commanders? No.
Revisionism rules even now. How do you think they are going to spin the impending implosion?
wanklord is a stupid animal, easy to manipulate and subdue. This rodent clearly fits in one of Leo Strauss'(*) categories of society: the Vulgar Single.
"The vulgar single, is a lover of sloth and ignorance. He is syphilis-ridden, uncouth, and narrow-minded. He can be inspired to rise above his filthy existence only by fear of impending discovery."
Doesn't spanking the monkey get a little tedious, you POS ??
* Deutche Apologist (1999-1973)
Do you mean the same Leo Strauss who was considered the "Father of the Neocons" whose eonomic teachings were the pillars of Cheney, Bush, Feith, Perle, Libby, et al?
That Leo Strauss???
Oh boy, I hope everyone who posted already knew the history...
you're conflating "the vulgar many" with the vulgar few.
the "vulgar many" are as yet unawakened to reality and do not deserve your other accolades.
it is the vulgar few who better fit the slothful definition.
"live beyond their means" is the predator's distraction and cover story.
Classic! Mega-junks to shoot the messenger.
Hey, wank did not say that dummy junkers. And that was so many decades ago.
What a stinging indictment. Now the truth is that we are all Americans. American culture of which I noticed a particulary grating falsness is in greeters.
Everywhere in India now, stores, petrol pumps, a poor youngin with a plaztic smile, who's been schooled in the etiquette of false "Manners". CLoying, ugly culture, it needs to go.
American Culture and it's mavens are the true Vampire Squids on the world. It makes all this other nonsense possible.
Thank you Tavistick, Bernays, Hollywood, Jewery.... et. al.
Nice joke WB7. Huhhhhhhhhhhhhhuhhhhha!
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/06/30/desiderata/
The smile you remark on is based on corporate interest, they are paid to wear it.
There is a difference between a freely given and genuine American smile and a mere contrivance.
Here is my real one for you ORI, no strings attached, guarantees or expectations of a return without proper receipt...
;-)
Peace.
Indeed it is NM, which was my gripe. The Cloying Corporate Smile.
Right back at ya!
:-)
ORI
You have legitimate complaints, ORI, but among some Americans (and more in the old days), that type of attitude was authentic.
As for those who try to turn it into a fake sales tool... Well, add my complaints to yours. :(
Indeed CH1. i just want to live in a real world again.
Enough fakery.
ORI
Hear, hear. However today nearly everything is fake: fake money, fake news, fake smiles, fake promises, fake recovery, fake concern, fake boobs, hell even peoples proxy-lives are fake and many peoples dreams are fake. Sometimes makes you long to just settle down in the country side and grow some honest veggies with an honest woman and have some honest flight-from-reality with honest books.
I prefer rope and lamposts...
While I respect the craftsmanship and discipline that the Samurai sword evokes, I'm afraid I must admit that I'd be more comfortable with stabbing them with a Rapier- will that do?
Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
We all understand the sentiment. On the one hand it seems all these money changers deserve death. But I'm pure pacifist, so I'm torn.
Who do members more admire and wish to emulate? Bush or Ghandi?
ditto
@popo
Freedom does not require bloodshed, yet because of human nature it is inevitable.
Everything else is Utopia-yearning.
Au contraire, it is knowing who to hold accountable ASAP, and then doing it = any sworn leader who commits a felony does life in prison ASAP. Unless we hold our leaders accountablre first; we work for them, not them for us.
After you teach them how to get out of the cage, all bets are off for central planners.
Bauhaus - Stigmata Martyr
An accelerated MBA program is in full operation, no cost to proles.
Zombie Americans have forgotten why 4th of July is a holiday!!!
Happy 4th of July!!
Give the bank monopoly the Icelandic finger. We don't need the credit they epic fail to provide; so we'll make our own credit wet with local love.
+5... Correct Analysis
We don't need violence. We simply need to collectively give the ruling bankster oligarchy and their toady, worthless, corrupt, douche-baggery of a political class the finger...
Do you still want or "need" a corporate or Wall Street job?
Then you still want to be a slave... You're not there yet... Stop buying corporate crap... stop participating in their schemes...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZjJOXTHWGY
"I need a jahb. Computers took my jahb. When will the President make more jahbs?"
The producers are ready and willing; no need for comfort, they create because they must; creation is happiness for them.
A producer is not afraid of labor cuts or "downsizing".
Learn a skill, save the world.
Well said.
Only way to do that is to withdraw consent and leave the country, and preferably the anglosphere.
Or ...well, there's something else you could do. But you won't do it and I won't bother mentioning it.
barter your skills as much as possible and watch your taxes go down and down with less income in $$ stated
One of the best articles, by one of the best minds, economist and historian Prof. Michael Hudson, on the situation in Greece ~ and debt slavery in general:
http://michael-hudson.com/2011/06/whither-greece/
duplicate, pass
Have you guys seen this? I hope he goes through with it. Props to him for taking action. Now if the rest of us could just grow a pair.
http://www.ampedstatus.org/fraudclosure-watch-firefighter-to-demolish-ho...
Bank shenanigans. Similar to above: http://www.wlwt.com/r/22600154/detail.html I'll do the same with mine.
Whiney California liberals don't have the balls to do that. That's just a publicity stunt. They'll go sobbing to the bank and beg forgiveness. And if they did actually try to rent bull dozers and do this they'd be executed by a SWAT team at the behest of Bank of America.
http://goldbasics.blogspot.com/2011/07/bob-chapman-explains-dodd-frank-l...
Bob Chapman goes once again to explain the Dodd-Frank law and its implications on the average Gold & silver coins bullion or shares buyers , the story was first put out by Zerohedge and obviously either intentionally or not was taken way out of contest , many were led to believe that "trading over the counter gold and silver will become illegal starting July 15" this is one of the most distorted stories says Bob Chapman , what is banned under the Dodd-Frank is the ability of the American corporations to trade in Forex in Foreign exchange in Gold and Silver you can no longer do so it is a very very small segment of the market it attracts big time speculators people who want real high leverage and a few average people by in large it is a pro market secondly it has absolutely nothing to do with gold and silver coins bullion or shares, there is nothing in that law that has or says anything pertaining to gold and silver coins bullion or shares PERIOD......
So it will be illegal to buy Comex gold and sell USD/EUR? ...bah and bunk
Nice William! You are a good man.
Found something interesting to me that I would like to share with ZH. It is complex, but simple. I hope that any of you who check it out enjoy.
http://thedailybell.com/2602/Anthony-Wile-Dr-Joseph-Salerno-Explains-Eve...
My 2011 fantasy football team shall be named, "Odious Derivative Usurpations" in honor of this document. That or "Transvestite Donkey Witches".
Linda Green strikes again!
I think we need a governmental budgeting process which actually budgets. Not one designed to overspend by bundling up these enormous bills and then tacking on enough extra porkbarrel spend to get them passed. Thus serving to create large amounts of public debt.
I propose spending bills be broken into their various "line items" and have every legislator assign a percentage value to each item. Then reassemble them in order of preference and the president draws the line at what can be afforded.
As there would be a smaller constituency for those items near the line, than those being asked to pay for them, the inclination to overspend would be reduced.
This would seriously reduce federal spending on local projects, but if we had a local community banking system, that spent the profits generated by the local community, back into local needs, rather than send those profits to New York in order that they be lent to Washington, this problem would be organically resolved.
A much simpler solution os to have a real currency such as gold.
Good luck printing that shit up and covering the bureaucrats asses!
Gold is our answer and will be the answer.
agreed...but a legislator must have an iq of more than 130, have no priors, never previously served, understand accounting, finance, investment, economics, history and be comfortable having a beer for two hours, be widely read, and able to work under pressure to produce results that actually positively impact peoples lives....ummm....
I hate to disagree with you since your ideas would actually work if we ignored human nature. The solution is not better legislators, but less powerful ones. If the government, at all levels, was limited to protecting citizens from physical violence and settling contractual disputes, it wouldn't matter much who got elected. Their influence would be so limited that even Barney Fife could handle the job. Kind of like putting the new guy in charge of the staples. Even if they fuck up, there is no actual damage done.
Happy 4th of July.
"Where do the bad folks go when they die ?
They don't get to heaven where the angels fly.
Go down to the lake of fire and fry.
See 'em again till the 4th of July."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkm2dq9mXZQ&feature=related
Righteous.
awww come on: great song, but why link the midi version? You running a pentium, or pentium II, or something?
here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT1BuLYt2RU&feature=related
Where do I put my Johny H. on that doc?
Douche Weasel lol
I will redo the document with the ZH user names of everyone who so requests ;-)
Please sign my name william- well written mate! A great little read to go with the first few sips of french press goodness =).
Keynes is not the villain. My vote is the Austrian Laffer curve. Throw in six or seven wars. The closer was the derivative boom.
There has been a dishonest effort to not blame the real culprits. Many of them paid to be dishonest.
williambanzai7
"I will redo the document with the ZH user names of everyone who so requests ;-)"
My real name is Matt Damon, feel free to use it.
Zing!
How's the blue water buffaloes?
SO REQUESTED
count me in
I'm gonna do it on parchment, so it will look real authentic and I'll put it up on the Fourth.
You can sign with my avatar...or reasonable facsimile of...
If you can find a starving seagull to stick on your Document, sign me on there.
Add me as well, thanks.
Sign me up.
Please count me in.
don't forget the dead pirate
put andy jacksons john handcock on there good sir
Me and my M203 are ready for service. Sign me up please sir.
I'm in too- and F**k what it says on my birth certificate. You can put Prometheus right there in 40 pt. font, just like Hancock. Any DB with access to Google can probably puzzle out my name, rank and serial number from that anyhow.
WB7, Popo here. I'd love to add my John Hancock!
Indeed, pray do.
I´m in
RT, NWM & HW r waiting in da line :-P
BTW, +1000 , WB7
tempted to request xtra-large, like John H., but will defer to senior members....
"I will redo the document with the ZH user names of everyone who so requests"
Sign me up.
I want in.
http://i.imgur.com/TMMQz.jpg
I think you might be pulling our legs...lol.
If not - I want in!
Happy Fourth!
Aye.
Count me in.
I'm in.
Tyler Durden
Rusty, I fancy myself in {ARGON GAS}
Happy 4th. Yen
Geeez, you still in Yemen?
Happy 4th Yen
Indeed please add my name to this.
Me, please.
Great job WB7.
Sign me up!
Add my name.
I am... Edmund Dantes
Count me in, as well, please.
Confucious 222 so signs, WB7, thanks for the opportunity!
I request. Warm regards, dust to dust.
Please sign me up for that Mr. Banzai!
Happy Independence Day to all.
Save_America1st
Tunga does so request, declare and demand you do so.
Including this sacred pledge of thanks from the transitory bitches.
Ya man please sign me up!
Sign me in!
I'm in William!
By the way everyone, the founders specified gold and silver as money in America.
That doesn't mean gold / silver backed paper currency, so forget the idea of a gold backed currency.
The founders wanted no paper currency PERIOD.
Also, they specified gold and silver coin without saying it has to be minted by the US government.
That means any gold and silver coin from anywhere, from any nation, is acceptable in America.
I get your sentiment, and you are correct in referring to the coinage act- but I would research colonial scrip before you make the the statement you did above.
So requested.
Thank you.
yarr, ad Captain Willie McVoid please
I'm in
BeansBulletsBandaids wants in. Sign me up please. Thanks.
Please add me as well, my friend!
http://www.southernnationalcongress.org/tableofcontents.shtml
I'm in
Ooo! Oooh! Me me me!
Can I do a scan of my TerraHertz signature, and have that included?
Or.. I guess I could just shop it in myself later :)
Say hi to Linda for me.
of course throw my moniker on your scroll - but be sure to use my brand 'dark pools of ink' to write it
Sign Dirt Rat up.
Standing up to be counted. (Logged in anonymously, and from behind a proxy, but nevertheless...) Please sign me up. While perhaps too much of a hassle, our avatar pics are perhaps even better than just the names.
Like the avatar picture idea...
I'm game! Richard Kless, aka Dick...
I want my name added and certified by Linda Green on the document. Give it to Linda, she'll sign anything, won't you Linda? Hey Linda!
I'm in.
Sign me up, big and bold please.
Please add me. Signed, Alec Baldwin.
I'd love that Mr. Banzai Sir.
I may be too junior to qualify, but would gladly put my cloven hoof print to this.
Kleptofraudtocracy?!...WTH!
+10 for news and very descriptive words. Hopefully, Merriam Webster takes note.
Also very informative. Three cheers~!
Can you sign my name right beside Mises's name or by Hayek's? Thanks.
Nice font choice.
Will, I would be honored if you include my signature on your most excellent document.
I agree with every word. Everyone should read it, and the original, this weekend.
Brodix
As in John Brodix Merryman Jr.
Here's an idea...lets do a national stock take of the debt outstanding, figure out what we can afford zero (hedge) based budgeting and do a system reset. A couple of things, one would be that every loan to anyone in the private sector has to be audited and a template/checklist that proves the ability to pay the loan today, anything else, must by definition be an odious loan and is therefore criminal. The original loan documentation, with all those involved goes to trial for potential extortion, corruption and racketeering. Now, what we will need is a department that is bigger than social security and we will need to declare a hiatus while we appoint 3 million people to do the work. You know, somewhat less than the size of the pentagon and the armed forces.
There will be a big problem with Federal employees of course (like the CIA) and they have guns and all their pensions are invested in worthless Treasuries with no hope of receiving any value whatsoever.
So we will probably have to do the same thing that should have been done after Iraq had been defeated, namely, disarm everyone.
Well it's a solution of sorts. Happy to sign on to your declaration though William
wait that means everyone who lends money to a bank may be a criminal also!
Please sign my name as well.
I am all solid with you all. As an Iroquois I feel really concerned.
sign my name please )
Is there any new Noyce presentation available? or something from Citi Tech?
thanks in advance.
Bravo WB, signing would be an honor
good one William - but the fatass pigs actually demand BOTH - "liberty" being immunity form prosecution... for starters
Willb7... You should start by putting 7 point stars on the flag... 5 point are pentagrams of the Freemasons... and we all know what idiot 33rd degree masons run the country...
Then another group of Kabbalists own the 6 point star...
Symbolism is everything to these ritualistic morons... Just make the stars middle fingers...
*Sigh*
If you must talk about symbolism, get it right, and identify the actors correctly.
A seven pointed star represents either the A.'.A.'. or the qaabalistic representation of the seven holy planets (those located below the veil of the abyss on the tree of life.) It is also promenently featured on the Sigilum del Ameth used by Dr. John Dee in the Enochian (Angellic) system.
Five pointed stars represent the four traditional elements plus spirit. When upright, they represent Theurgia, when inverted, Goetia. Five points is also indicative of microcosmic (internal) cause and effect. Anything involving a pentagram affects only the person that drew it, and indicates either a draw to the person or an expulsion from a person based on the starting point of the star and it's direction (doesil=clockwise=invoking, widdershins=counterclockwise=banishing)
Six pointed stars represent the macrocosm (outside the self, the rest of the world) and are made up of two triangles- the ascending fire of prayer and the descending toungue of grace. The Star of David is the hexagram of fire- the other three hexagrams are not in th form of stars- One is an hourglass, one is a diamond, and one is made from two upward-facing triangles that overlap.
All of these things have meanings, and are clearly defined and immutable in context. The Freemasons emphatically DO NOT use a pentagram as a symbol- this is used by a secondary body comprised of the wives and daughters of Masons known as the Eastern Star.
Lots of ellipsises do not make you knowledgeable- I had to pass tests on this shit while being physically and mentally tortured, and every detail had to be letter perfect. It took years of digging in the trenches, and I am sick and tired of you tinfoil hat wannabes thinking you know something because you read a stupid website that included a bunch of crap about the Chupacabra and Bigfoot along with other senseless speculation. I, along with hundreds of others, have been entering entire books and releasing them on the web for decades so that you can do your own due dilligence if you ever decide to actually understand rather than post incomplete paranoid one-liners on comment boards.
The western occult tradition is an established and definable set of systems that you can learn and understand. If you do not wish to engage it, that is fine- but your intellectual laziness does not qualify you to comment on it. The price of participation is your open mind and willingness to do the work- if that is not to your liking, close your mouth and stick to those subjects you *do* understand.
I've said it before, and I'll keep saying it until it sinks through your neanderthal skull- there are conspiracies in the world, but for every one that is trying to enslave you, there is another that is trying to set you free. The Freemasons are not your enemies. Nor are the Ordo Templii Orientiis, the Aurum Solis, the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, the Temple of Set, the Ecclesiae Gnosticae Catholicae, the A.'.A.'., the Elusian schools, the Star and Garter or Wicca. All of these are on your f'ing side, so stop bashing them.
Point your middle finger where it belongs.
Deport all the people who created this monstrous debt burden.
Brilliant, surmises you !
We expect some good input next week.
"Advisorship" as a replacement for "governance" (includes subentities having full control over funds):
http://i52.tinypic.com/jshnhh.png
from MarketWatch:
"
Again, there are two paths:
Drugs that mask the symptoms (throwing trillions of dollars at the problem), which triggered a spate of unintended consequences (such as outsized bank profits) and lead to a tricky trifecta of societal acrimony (over the likes of Goldman Sachs and BP), social unrest (from Greece to Libya), and geopolitical conflict (yet to be determined).
Medicine that cures the disease (debt destruction and reorganization) will be a bitter pill to swallow. But once we traverse that process, it’ll pave the way to a legitimate outside-in globalization (the US won’t lead, but will participate). This, in my view, is where the market was heading before the synthetic stimuli, and it’s where the market will ultimately go whether we like it or not. The question, of course, is,“From where?”
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-most-important-juncture-in-market-h...
Market Watch is primarily valuable for the comments section. But they made some changes and it has lost some value. You can get most of what you'd get from the Market Watch comments by simply watching the Zero Hedge headlines these days.
sign me up.
Remember ... vote ... it is the preferred method of throwing the bums out
You're kidding, right?
Voting is the preferred method of exercising Diebold vote flipping and count totals adjustment software. Nothing more.
Throw the bums into the lava pits. But keep the heads. They make fine decorative illustrations to any remaining psychopaths who might think of inserting themselves into the freshly vacated positions of power.
Voting in a purely representative democracy is pointless. People only vote for politicians, not for policies, and politicians can do whatever they want, whatever they claim, without being affected by any consequences.
Because of this, people also are NOT directly responsible for national debt. The only thing they are responsible for, is to have voted at all, and not having abolished the system. People are only directly responsible for debt, if they actually have a choice in it, like for example in the system i posted a few posts up ( http://www.zerohedge.com/article/declaration-debt-independence#comment-1... ), because there people can actually veto policies on spending, taxation, laws and obligations.