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A Detailed Look At Global Wealth Distribution

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By now it should be common knowledge to everyone that in American society, the top wealthiest 1 percentile controls all the political power, holds half the wealth, and pays what is claimed to be the bulk of the taxes (despite mile wide tax loopholes and Swiss bank accounts). The rest of the population is merely filler, programmed to buy every latest self-cannibalizing iteration of the iPad/Pod while never again paying their mortgage and brainwashed to watch 2 hours of prime time TV commercials to keep it distracted from the fact that the last time America was a democracy was around the time the Wright brothers were arguing the pros and cons of frequent flier programs. So far so good. But what about the rest of the world? How is wealth stratified in a global perspective? Where do the "rich" live? What kind of wealth is controlled by various countries? Where are the Ultra High Net Worth people? For answers to all these questions, and much more, confirming that just like in America, the wealthiest 0.5% control over 35% of world wealth, Credit Suisse has compiled and released its latest "Global Wealth Report." The findings are summarized here.

The first figure shows world wealth by region. The US, with its wealth of about $50 trillion, accounts for 25% of total world wealth, which at last check was about $200 trillion. And yes, Europe as a region has a slightly greater wealth portion (32%) than does America (31%).

When it comes to geographic distribution, it is to be expected that North America will have the greatest proportion of people in the ultra wealthy category. Indeed, the chart below confirms this.

Drilling down into asset composition in various countries, it becomes obvious why the Fed is so focused on keeping the stock market high. With America being the wealthiest country in the world, and the bulk of US wealth held in financial assets, offset by a material amount of debt, which confirms that a deflationary spiral would be the end for the "wealth effect" so desired by Ben Bernanke. More from CS: "Consider first the relative importance of financial versus non-financial assets, and the size of debt. Expressed as a percentage of gross household assets, the pattern clearly differs markedly between poorer and richer countries and regions. In developing countries (see Figure 1), for example India and Indonesia, it is common for 80% or more of total assets to be held in the form of non-financial assets, largely housing and farms. A high proportion of real property is also evident in transition countries in Europe, reflecting in part the wholesale privatization of housing in the 1990s. As countries develop and grow, the importance of non-financial assets tends to decline, so that the share in China, for instance, is now close to half. In the richest countries, financial assets typically account for more than half of household wealth. There are interesting exceptions to this general pattern. Recent robust house price rises have propelled the share of non-financial assets above 60% in France and some other major European countries. South Africa, on the other hand, is an outlier in the developing world, with exceptionally high holdings of financial assets: the figure of 80% exceeds the share found in both the United States and Japan." In other words, the more "developed" the world becomes, the greater the amount of wealth tied into the perpetuation of the Ponzi lies. Small wonder why so few in charge are willing to actually do anything that changes the status quo.

Next, it is time to drill down in the specific composition of the financial assets.

Figure 2 provides more detail, showing the breakdown of financial assets into three categories: currency and deposits, equities (all shares and  other equities held directly by households), and other financial assets for selected countries. To add further detail, in most countries the  reserves of life insurance companies and pension funds form the largest component of “other financial assets.” The composition of financial assets differs considerably across countries, especially with regard to the importance of shares and other equities. One interesting trend we note is that equities are not always a large component of household financial wealth, even in countries with very active financial markets. In the United Kingdom and Japan, for example, equities account for just 13% and 9% of total financial assets respectively. In contrast, they make up 37% and 43% of financial assets in Sweden and the USA, respectively. Broadly speaking, the relative importance of currency and deposits falls as that of bonds and equities increases. On the other hand, the portfolio share of “other financial assets” does not vary a lot, staying in the range of about 40%–45%. However, when we come to the UK, Japan and Colombia, which have the lowest portfolio share of equities, the pattern breaks down. The UK has a moderate currency and deposits share, but the largest “other financial assets” share, reflecting large life insurance and pension reserves. Colombia also has more in the form of “other financial assets” than is typical. Japan, on the other hand, which has a strong tradition of saving in deposit form, has a very large currency and deposits share and only a 35% share of “other financial assets.”

An interesting detour looks at gender distribution for asset holders in the US and the UK. As the chart below shows, in the UK women appear to hold more risky assets than men.

Looking at the history of global wealth per adult, net worth peaked just before the first ponzi/credit/housing bubble popped, confirming that a major portion of the then-record $50K/adult net wealth was imaginary. Yet it may have far more to drop: as CS says, "despite the financial crisis, the past decade has in fact been a relatively benign period for household wealth accumulation. Global net worth per adult rose 43% from USD 30,700 in the year 2000 to USD 43,800 by mid-2010. Since the number of adults increased from 3.6 billion to 4.4 billion over this period, aggregate household wealth rose by 72%. One important factor here was the depreciation of the dollar against most major currencies, which accounts for part of the rise in dollar-denominated values, but average net worth still increased by 24% when exchange rates are held  constant." The next question is how much latent dollar devaluation has been accrued to this point and how much more is due to only gradually emerge.

The next chart is rather self-explanatory. The richest nations, with wealth in 2010 above USD 100,000 per adult, are found in North America,  Western Europe, and among the rich Asian-Pacific and Middle East countries. They are topped by Switzerland, Norway, Australia, Singapore and  France, each of which records wealth per adult above USD 250,000. Average wealth in other major economies such as the USA, Japan, the  United Kingdom and Canada also exceeds USD 200,000.

And some more detail on the various wealth regions:

 

Emerging wealth: The band of wealth from USD 25,000 to USD 100,000 covers many recent EU entrants (Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic,  Slovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Cyprus) and important Latin American countries (Mexico, Brazil, Chile), along with a number of Middle  Eastern nations (Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain).

Frontier wealth: The main transition nations outside the EU, including China, Russia, Belarus, Georgia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia, fall in the USD 5,000 to USD 25,000 range, together with some of their Far East neighbors (Indonesia, Thailand) and most of Latin America (Colombia,  Ecuador, Peru, El Salvador). The group also contains a number of African nations at the southernmost tip (South Africa, Botswana, Namibia) and on the Mediterranean coast (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt).

Finally, the category below USD 5,000 comprises almost all of South Asia, including India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Nepal, and almost all of Central and West Africa.

Next is a pie chart of with a detailed break down of wealth distribution by region.

Credit Suisse provides a look at geographic wealth distribution by decile:

To be among the wealthiest half of the world, an adult needs only USD 4,000 in assets, once debts have been subtracted. However, each adult requires more than USD 72,000 to belong to the top 10% of global wealth holders and more than USD 588,000 to be a member of the top  1%. The bottom half of the global population together possess less than 2% of global wealth, although wealth is growing fast for some members of this segment. In sharp contrast, the richest 10% own 83% of the world’s wealth, with the top 1% alone accounting for 43% of global assets. Figure 4 shows how the regions of the world are represented amongst the wealth deciles. Unsurprisingly for example, North America and Europe together make up the lion’s share of the top wealth decile (10%). China has relatively few representatives at the very top and bottom of the global wealth distribution, but dominates the middle section, supplying more than a third of those in deciles 4–8. The sizeable presence of China in the middle section reflects not only its population size and moderate average wealth level, but also relatively low wealth inequality. China’s position in the global picture has shifted upwards in the past decade as a consequence of a strong record of growth, rising  asset values and the appreciation of the renminbi relative to the US dollar. China already has more people in the top 10% of global wealth  holders than any country except for the USA, Japan and Germany, and is poised to overtake both Germany and Japan in the near future.

Next is the chart that everyone has seen as it pertains to America,
but few have seen in terms of the entire world. Per CS, Figure 1 shows
“The global wealth pyramid” in striking detail. It is made up of a solid
base of low wealth holders with upper tiers occupied by fewer and fewer
people. We estimate that 3 billion individuals – more than two thirds
of the global adult population – have wealth below USD 10,000. A further
billion adults (24% of the world population) are placed in the USD
10,000–100,000 range, leaving 358 million adults (8% of the world
population) with  assets above USD 100,000. Figures for mid-2010
indicate that 24.2 million adults are above the threshold for dollar
millionaires. While they make up less than 1% of the global adult
population, they own more than a third of global household wealth. More
specifically, individuals with wealth above USD 50 million are estimated
to number 81,000 worldwide.

Some more details on the various tiers of the pyramid:

Bottom of the pyramid

The
various tiers of the wealth pyramid have distinctive characteristics.
The base level is spread broadly across  countries. It has significant
membership in all regions of the world, and spans a wide variety of
family circumstances. The upper wealth limit of USD 10,000 is a modest
sum in developed countries, excluding almost all adults who own houses,
with or without a mortgage. Nevertheless, a surprisingly large number of
individuals in advanced countries have limited savings or other assets.

A
high proportion are young people with little opportunity or interest in
accumulating wealth. In fact, limited amounts of tangible assets 
combined with credit card debts and student loans lead many young people
to record negative net worth. In Denmark and Sweden, for example, 30%
of the population report negative wealth. This is an important and often
overlooked segment, not least in the context of the credit crisis.

Low
wealth is also a common feature of older age groups, particularly for
those individuals suffering ill health and exposed to high medical
bills. In fact, the means testing applied to many state benefits,
especially contributions to the cost of residential homes, provides an
incentive to shed wealth. Nevertheless, relatively few people in rich
countries have net worth below USD 10,000 throughout their adult life.
In essence, membership of the base section of the global wealth pyramid
is a transient, lifecycle phenomenon for most citizens in the developed
world.

The situation in low-income countries is different. More
than 90% of the adult population in India and Africa fall in this band;
in many low-income African countries, the fraction of the population is
close to 100%. However, the cost of living is usually much lower. For a
resident of India, for instance, assets of USD 10,000 would be
equivalent to about USD 30,000 to a resident of the United States. In
much of the  developing world, this is enough to own a house or land –
albeit possibly with uncertain property rights – and to have a
comfortable lifestyle by local standards.

Middle of the pyramid

The
billion adults in the USD 10,000–100,000 range form the middle class
from the perspective of global wealth. With USD 32 trillion in total
wealth, it certainly carries economic weight. This tier has the most
regionally balanced membership, although China now contributes almost a
third of the total. The wealth range would cover the median person over
most of his adult life in high income countries. In middle income
countries it would apply to a middle class person in middle age.
However, in low-income countries only those in the top decile qualify,
restricting membership to significant landowners, successful
businessmen, professionals and the like.

High segment of the pyramid

When
we consider the “high” segment of the wealth pyramid – the group of
adults whose net worth exceeds USD 100,000 – the regional composition 
begins to change. With almost 358 million adults worldwide, this group
is far from exclusive. But the typical member of the group is very
different in different parts of the world. In high income countries, the
threshold of USD 100,000 is well within the reach of middle-class
adults once careers have been established. In contrast, residents from
low-income countries would need to belong to the top percentile of
wealth holders, so only the exceptionally successful, well endowed or
well connected qualify.

The regional contrast shows up in the
fact that North America, Europe and the Asia-Pacific regions account for
92% of the global membership of the USD 100,000+ group, with Europe
alone home to 39% of the total. As far as individual countries are
concerned, the membership ranking depends on three factors: the
population size, the average wealth level, and wealth inequality within
the country. Only 15 countries host more than 1% of the global
membership. The USA comes top with 23% of the total. All three factors
reinforce each other in this instance: a large population combining with
high mean wealth and an unequal wealth distribution. Japan is a strong
runner-up, the only country at present to seriously  challenge the
hegemony of the USA in the global wealth ranking. Although its relative
position has declined since the year 2000 due to lackluster stock market
and housing market performance, Japan is still home to 15% of
individuals with wealth above USD 100,000.

Top of the pyramid

At
the top of the pyramid, we find the world’s millionaires, where we
again witness a slightly different pattern of membership. The proportion
of members from the United States rises sharply to 41%, and the share
of members from outside of the North America, Europe and Asia-Pacific
regions falls to just 6%. The relative positions of most countries move
downwards, but there are exceptions. The French share is estimated to
double to 9%, while Sweden and Switzerland are each now credited with
more than 1% of the global membership.

And next, is a detailed look at the very top of the pyramid: those individuals which have over 1 million in net worth.

To assemble details of the pattern of wealth holdings above USD 1 million requires a high degree of ingenuity. The usual sources of data – official statistics and sample surveys – become increasingly incomplete and unreliable at high wealth levels. A growing number of publications have followed the example of Forbes magazine by constructing “rich lists,” which attempt to value the assets of particular named individuals at the apex of the wealth pyramid. But very little is known about the global pattern of asset holdings in the high net worth (HNW – greater than USD 1 million) and ultra high net worth (UHNW – from USD 50 million upwards) range.

We bridge this gap by exploiting well-known statistical regularities in the top wealth tail. Using only data from traditional sources in the public  domain yields a pattern of global wealth holdings in the USD 250,000 to USD 5 million range, which, when projected onward, predicts about  1000 dollar billionaires for mid-2010. Although not exactly comparable, this number is very close to the figure of 1,011 billionaire holdings reported by Forbes magazine for February 2010. Making use of the regional affiliation recorded in rich lists allows us to merge the top tail  details with data on the level and distribution of wealth derived from traditional sources in order to generate a regional breakdown of HNW and UHNW individuals. At this time, we do not attempt to estimate the pattern of holdings across particular countries, except China and India which are treated as separate regions. However, as a rule of thumb, residents of the USA account for about 90% of the figure for North America.

The base of the wealth pyramid is occupied by people from all countries of the world at various stages of their lifecycle. In contrast, HNW and UHNW individuals are heavily concentrated in particular regions and countries, but the members tend to share a much more similar lifestyle,  often participating in the same global markets for high coupon consumption items. The wealth portfolios of individuals are also likely to be  similar, dominated by financial assets and, in particular, equity holdings in public companies traded in international markets. For these reasons, using official exchange rates to value assets is more appropriate, rather than using local price levels to compare wealth holdings.

Our figures for mid-2010 indicate that there were 24.5 million HNW individuals with wealth from USD 1 million to USD 50 million, of whom the vast majority (22 million) fall in the USD 1–5 million range. North America dominates the residence ranking, accounting for 11.1 million HNW individuals (45% of the total). Europe accounts for 7.8 million (31.7%) and 4.1 million reside in Asia-Pacific countries other than China and India. We estimate that there are now more than 800,000 HNW individuals in China, each worth between USD 1 million and USD 50 million (3.3% of the global total). India, Africa and Latin America together host the remaining 740,000 HNW individuals (3.0% of the total).

The take home message is that the wealthiest people in the world have the bulk of their wealth entrenched in the current system and any dramatic overhaul or reset of the status quo will be met by the stiff resistance of those who can summon fleet of jets, private armies, and even Fed chairmen on a whim. Whether anyone will have the wherewithal to confront the broken system under such conditions remains to be seen.

And for those seeing more granular detail by country, below are the profiles of the 15 or so wealhtiest countries.

 

h/t London Dude Trader

 

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Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:24 | 642216 honestann
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Tue, 10/12/2010 - 05:06 | 642627 morph
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No surprises on the UK. A lot in housing and not much in equities.

Equities are not big here, mainly I guess due to not having the 401k culture that the USA has. Stuffing your money into a pension fund is though. Of course that just ends up in equities, or equities with a huge fee attached

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:24 | 642217 honestann
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Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:23 | 642218 honestann
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If the richest were richest because they were the most productive (after substracting whatever destruction they perform), then the richest would deserve admiration.

Today, however, the richest are almost all rich without being productive.  In fact, most are rich because they are master predators.

Let everyone enjoy/bare/suffer ALL the consequences of his own actions, and enjoy/bare/suffer ZERO consequences of the actions of others.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:05 | 642388 eatthebanksters
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That's not fair.  I'm not rich but I know a fair amount of rich people and most of them are very good, decent people who work hard, are smart and maybe had a little bit of luck.  I think if you did a population sampling of rich people you would find the same percentage of criminals as in the group of poor people.  The rich ones just seem to get away with it and give the rest of their crowd a bad rep.  Let's burn some of those bad boy fat cats and lock em up.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:08 | 642548 honestann
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That depends on who you consider "rich".  In the context being discussed, "rich" means super rich.  Sure, the further down the "rich" scale, the more "earned" [a fair portion of] their wealth.

But you are very wrong about percentages of criminals being independent of wealth.  The super-rich are ALL massive criminals.  That doesn't mean they never did anything productive, that simply means they get rich through unethical, non-productive acts.

This extends down to professions like doctors and plumbers.  A huge portion of doctor revenue exists due to unethical laws and regulations that force people to visit doctors to get permission slips to buy and consume medicines they need.  That is extremely unethical and predatory practice, and most doctors willingly paid their union (the AMA) to lobby congress to impose those laws.  If you forget the endless atrocities of this kind, you arrive at delusional conclusions about who is ethical and productive, and who gets rich by unethical, predatory behaviors.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:05 | 642581 StarvingLion
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that force people to visit doctors to get permission slips to buy and consume medicines they need

But can't ya see, those doctors (and the even more pathetic pharmacists) ensure the quality of the supply chain!!!  Har Har Har

And we can't have "The People" taking antibiotics like candy, no that would be bad.  The docs took an oath, they are very honest.  Just go inside a nursing home to see all the seniors in slumberland 24 hours a day.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 07:52 | 642699 snowball777
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Not all criminals are equally-abled...the white-collar jagovs make bigger messes than your average street punk with a chrome-handled 'gat'.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:25 | 642223 99er
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Tonight, we're getting poorer.

ES:  http://99ercharts.blogspot.com/2010/10/es-zb_1036.html

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:52 | 642263 chopper read
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always great chartwork.  thanks. 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:31 | 642228 doolittlegeorge
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His name is "General Petraeus" and "he's not interested in running for office."  And in New York State "they deny active duty soldiers the right to vote" and in Upstate New York "they have 15,000 combat hardened heavy infantry" coming from the most deployed unit every year FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.  If you want me get into specifics about "New Yorkers' outlook toward returning combat soldiers and their relationship and associations with handicapped people while working for the Federal Government" i'd be more than happy to.  Needless to say "it involved a Federal Judge" and he could have cared less about those handicapped people.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:37 | 642236 buchesky
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10th Mountain is light infantry, not heavy.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:58 | 642273 tired1
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Please, I'd like to know more.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:32 | 642231 toros
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Isn't it a bitch that you can't take it with you when you die.  I've got to get a better accountant.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 05:23 | 642632 Cognitive Dissonance
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Or a better God.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:40 | 642244 Xibalba
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If Zerohedge was a hooker, I'd pay. 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:46 | 642251 nmewn
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Same here...but it might put them over 250k and then they would be qualified as "rich" ;-)

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:16 | 642304 frankTHE COIN
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I would loan you the money.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:43 | 642248 williambanzai7
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That asset composition chart is interesting. I assume South Africa leads in financial assets because they convert diamonds and other percious minerals into paper assets.

We on the other hand take paper and create even more paper.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:31 | 642333 Village Idiot
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I saw a guy handing out T-shirts with the same likeness of obama this weekend, but the word at the bottom was "PLEASE".  I laughed my ass off.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:41 | 642351 williambanzai7
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Was he handing them out or selling them?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:49 | 642253 Kreditanstalt
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All this makes me wonder just exactly what a "financial asset" is really worth.  Seems to me that any actual value these have is determined solely by what others will trade for them.  In ponzi currencies.

I'd much rather be in the situation of, say, Indonesia.  Having the mass of my wealth in land, property or farmland, or perhaps in gold.

After all, such concrete assets will likely prove far more widely saleable in future than some overvalued spuriously-purported "asset" consisting largely of someone else's promise to pay a stream of fiat paper currency...

You and me, the landless neo-peasantry, stuck in suburb-land in North America or some other "developed" economy...better buy gold, because at least you can hold it in your hand, trade it anywhere and it won't blow away... 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:50 | 642256 Crab Cake
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I'm not sure if I agree with this articles idea of wealth, but then again most of the people and cultures that use a definition similar to mine have been genocided or indoctrinated.

That said, I have a one word solution and rebuttal... Jubilee.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:44 | 642595 DoChenRollingBearing
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Those of us who have no debts and have money in the bank (or stocks & bonds, etc.) better be thinking of what Jubilee means...

Buy physical gold!

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:50 | 642257 Lower Class Elite
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$4,000?  Woohoo!  I made it!  Upper half, bitches!

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:56 | 642270 chopper read
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wondering what the poor people are doing tonight?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:58 | 642368 WaterWings
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Watching teevee programming that demonstrates what happens when you fuck wit da police. Or, if their shift isn't over yet, thinking about what effort is required this evening to get wasted.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:46 | 642442 Confused
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I'm reading zerohedge.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:08 | 642557 wisefool
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wasted before I started reading zerohedge. But I intend to wake up tomorrow and apply for unemployment benefits after 15years of paying into the system. Retirement age is going to be a flexible thing in the near term!

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 09:33 | 642882 Lower Class Elite
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I prefer to call them "small people"...

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 09:38 | 642894 chopper read
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"commoners" is the vintage term. 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:49 | 643093 FEDbuster
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sheeple, riff raff, hoi polloi, great unwashed, minions, multitude, plebeians, proletariat, rank and file, the common people, the herd, the plebs, the proles, the peons, the working class

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:54 | 643116 chopper read
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"great unwashed" made me laugh.  thanks for that.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:52 | 643108 Lower Class Elite
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Thank ye, m'lord...

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 21:55 | 642268 b_thunder
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What the report is missing is that in the USA most of the wealth is concentrated in relatively few hands, but the (now) public debt is "owned" by everyone. And since the taxes used to pay for the debt are collected from income (and disproportionally higher from earned vs unerned income) and not from consumption or wealth, the gaps between the middle class and the wealthy, and especially between the wealthy and ultra high net worth individuals will  growi ndefinitely.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:00 | 642276 tired1
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That was the entire point of the income tax.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:07 | 642284 chopper read
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this is why high income taxes slam the door on upward mobility for those who begin at the bottom.  upper class elites (such as Soros) love the idea of high income taxes because they've already acquired the base assets for effortless earnings.  meanwhile, the rest of us livestock can duke it out between "rich" ($250k ?) and "poor" earners. 

might we end income tax and introduce consumption tax, if we must, and thus reward productivity and job creation, and punish waste?  

 

...not that i'm into manipulative tax codes as such.  even when Soros buys a yacht he is creating jobs.  that is good enough for me!!!! 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:08 | 642715 snowball777
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This graph of effective rate vs income is not that steep, it is the middle class taking it in the hash pipe so quit yer snivelin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/US_income_tax_2008.svg

If that's the case, and it's more like 10% or 5% effective on the way up, exactly how discouraged are people to have the extra $100k to $1M per year by working a little harder, even if they only get to keep $90k or $800k of that dough?

If they employ logic like that, they deserve to stay 'poor'.

When I say 'rich', I don't mean people pulling a salary. I mean people who can live quite comfortably off the interest on their wealth alone. The ones that don't pay income tax, if they ever did after their accountants and lawyers got done man-handling the state.

So jack up Soros' top-end rates and make the graph between 0 and $1M less steep for everyone else (you know, the people who actually participate in the economy because we don't have everything we need already).

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:13 | 643186 chopper read
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If they employ logic like that, they deserve to stay 'poor'.

 

says god almighty himself.  ha, ha.  its all about 'deserve' with you, isn't it, snowball?  whats the matter?  not getting what you 'deserve' in life?  you better hope that you never do.

your points about 'interest' income are better than some of your very weakest points, anyway; so then tax 'interest income' differently than other 'earned' income. problem solved.

that said, lending money is not without default risk.  and lending money (investing in bonds) obviously helps the borrower by creating more demand for their bonds and lowering their borrowing costs.  this allows the borrower to become more profitable and hire more people to expand, which creates jobs so that low income workers have more opportunities to feed themselves.  all because billionaires invested their peacefully earned money into bonds.  see how this works, snowball?  so why punish success?  If Oprah earns a billion because folks enjoy her message, and she spends it on a yacht, then that creates jobs.  If she invest in stocks, then companies are better capitalized in order to create jobs, and if she invest in bonds then she lowers borrowing costs which creates jobs.  so why are you hating on Oprah?  does she not "deserve" her billion?

 

oh, snowball, is your 'defender of the poor' attitude really just player hating because you did not live up to how great your mummy told you that you would be?

...i'll bet it is.  ;)

     

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:03 | 642281 cxl9
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*yawn*

Even the so-called poor in America eat better, live easier, have access to better medical care, have more choices in their work and recreation, and enjoy more political and economic freedom than the majority of people - rich and poor - that have ever lived throughout the history of human existence.

So people at the top have a whole bunch of wealth. Big deal. It doesn't mean you can't achieve financial success or live well. And even if you seized all that wealth and redistributed it evenly, your life would be no better. Not sustainably, anyway. Class envy is nothing but blaming the rules of the game because of your failure to win at it.

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:10 | 642290 Crab Cake
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How does one win a game in which everyone loses?

...and no you cannot choose not to play. Your parents already bought you in.

What a foolish ignorant species we are.

Go ahead my man, go 'win' the game.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:13 | 642300 chopper read
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"our" parents were not as clever as "their" parents.  sorry, its true!!

so lets slam the door on upward mobility for ourselves by progressively taxing income to marginal rates that exceed 90%.  ...that will show the global elite!!!! 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:14 | 642727 snowball777
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Effective rates vs income...lowest in generations...and still you whine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/US_income_tax_2008.svg

You seriously believe these money junkies will be 'discouraged' about making that last ten million?

What's your alternative scheme that somehow guarantees upward mobility while increasing taxes on the bottom of the ladder?

Your folks did you a disservice somewhere along the line.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 09:48 | 642917 chopper read
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snowball, you have got to be one of the most routinely self-righteous and ill-informed commentators.  i could say plenty about your folks, by how you turned out.  it must be nice to always be 'defender of the poor' like some kind of robinhood.  i'm sure it makes you FEEL like a great person.  what a joke. 

In a world of billionaires, you wish to tax people earning $250k as though they are 'rich'?  You do not see how this secures the place of billionaires and limits the opportunity of someone to join their ranks?

I'm glad you wish to be generous with other people's hard-earned money, AT THE POINT OF A GUN, no less. 

whatever makes you feel like a 'good person', snowball, although i seriously doubt you give much of your own money away.  I'd bet my left arm that the tens of thousands that i've given to private charities over the years dwarfs you REAL contributions to society. 

of course, nothing i say will change your mind, but i do believe you are an asshole, and i have no doubt that you are hurting the very people that you claim to defend. 

do you really believe that BIG GOVERNMENT (high taxes) help people?  GOVERNMENTS DO NOT "CREATE JOBS".  THIS IS A BROKEN WINDOW FALLACY. 

LOOK IT UP, FUCKWIT.  AND GIVE YOUR PARENTS A SLAP FROM CHOPPER FOR RAISING SUCH A PRICK.   

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:28 | 642324 frankTHE COIN
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Be The House.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:21 | 642411 cxl9
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I don't endorse the present state of affairs; I merely accept things as they are. Yes, yes, we're a foolish, ignorant species and all that. Good luck hanging around waiting for that to change. That reminds me of some of the parents in my neighborhood who are dissatisfied with the public schools. They get involved and volunteer and go to PTA meetings and try to convince me to vote for more funding (taxes) for the schools and so on and so forth. I simply put my child in private school and am done with it. They aren't going to change anything, and meanwhile their children suffer. It's just a big waste of time.

There is a multiplicity of choices available to modern Americans that would have been unthinkable for the majority of humans who have lived on this planet. These choices exist whether or not the top x percent have y percent of the wealth. The reality is that there will always be unequal distribution of wealth, for the simple reason that in humans there is an unequal distribution of ability and opportunity. You're not going to change it, so learn to thrive within it.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:53 | 642454 chopper read
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yeah, clever folks always figure out the new set of rules.  its easy!!

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:44 | 642780 rsfish
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You're not going to change it, so learn to thrive within it.

This is from Martin Luther King Jr's famous "I have a dream" speech, isn't it?


Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:57 | 643123 FEDbuster
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or you can just, "Look Like Money" Phil T. Rich (Yung Ralph)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDV9IeD_oIM

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:01 | 643140 Raymond K Hessel
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Am I the only one who reads this guy and thinks to himself..."ignorant species?"  what is he think he is, some kind of fracking alien?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:43 | 642439 oddjob
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Losing first wins.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 03:05 | 642603 Bringin It
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OddJob!  You were great in that movie.  Hey, you were there.  What's really in Ft. Knox?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:10 | 642292 chopper read
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"player haters" of the world unite.  

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:49 | 642352 Bob
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The take home message is that the wealthiest people in the world have the bulk of their wealth entrenched in the current system . . .

which this data shows is heavily concentrated in "financial assets, particularly equities." 

This was not an exercise in either stoking class envy or disgust with same, but in connecting the financial interests of those who undeniably wield the levers of power to  the recent inflation of equities at all costs, e.g.,  the public debt and/or currency devaluation that their efforts require.

The message had nothing to do with comparisons of historical versus current standards of living, as far as I could see. 

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:24 | 642416 cxl9
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The unstated message of all of these sorts of articles is that concentration of wealth is a problem that needs to be fixed.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:00 | 642464 snowball777
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The drastically uneven and rapidly accelerating state of same? Most definitely. Only the most fervently retarded among us, dear Antoinette, cannot see how continuing down this path will end for you and yours. Don't worry though; you won't feel a thing.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:06 | 642475 cxl9
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I'm sure. Keep fighting the revolution from mommy's basement, comrade.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:46 | 642573 Star Hawk
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*yawn*,*stretch arms*,*long exhale*

Ok, i'm gonna go ahead and put you on a: pasty, middling IT manager with an above-average waistline and retirement account who manages to fuck his fugly suburban wife once or twice a month through the miracle of micro-brew and viagra.  If you're another example of "winner", then I'm once again thankful for never playing along.  Oh, and thanks for reproducing!

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:20 | 642735 snowball777
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I didn't say I was going to put you under the blade; I've got kids and can't afford to spend time in jail over the likes of your dumb ass. If you have no need for enlightened self-preservation, so be it. I seriously doubt anyone on the planet could miss such a gaping a-hole anyway.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 12:15 | 643367 still kicking
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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong, look no one has the right to force another to give up his or her wealth.  What needs to be fixed is favoritism and the concentration of wealth making and skewing all the rules/laws in their favor to keep the wealth.  Even the damn playing field, give the common man a chance to make something and play the game, if they lose their wealth that way too damn bad or if you get even wealthier good for them.  You go down a dangerous road when you suggest "fixing" distribution of wealth.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 07:48 | 642695 Sean7k
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The purpose of the trilateral commission is to structure the world into three regions: each with a exploitable region of cheap labor. US=Latin America, Europe=Africa and China/Japan= southeast asia. 

Now, go back to the pie chart with the regional distribution of wealth. Mission accomplished.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:06 | 642287 Coldfire
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How about the global distribution of productivity?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:11 | 642294 chopper read
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"How about the global distribution of productivity?"

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:55 | 642457 chopper read
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"How about the global distribution of productivity?"

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:55 | 642458 chopper read
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"How about the global distribution of productivity?"

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:01 | 642467 snowball777
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Very productive, Chops.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:04 | 642472 chopper read
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i'm just fucking around, snowball.  mocking in type. nevermind.  you're right. 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:22 | 642737 snowball777
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Bien sur...I was amused by the meta-post meme; subtle and clever.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:14 | 642295 Atomizer
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Typically Governments issue a budget and the IRS publishes new tax structures for upcoming year.

The Obama administration doesn't comply with the rules of law. We have to wait until after the November elections to find out.

Pelosi: we have to pass the health care bill so that you can find out what is in it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:14 | 642296 Mercury
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The take home message is that the wealthiest people in the world have the bulk of their wealth entrenched in the current system and any dramatic overhaul or reset of the status quo will be met by the stiff resistance of those who can summon fleet of jets, private armies, and even Fed chairmen on a whim.

One would hope that extreme currency debasement, hyper-inflation or government confiscation of property will be met with stiff resistance by this crowd too.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:15 | 642302 chopper read
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you can protest the entire system by buying gold.  its true!!!

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:03 | 642469 snowball777
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the truly daring will attempt to use simple barter and wumpum.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:09 | 642479 chopper read
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gold is just something shiny and portable to barter.  wumpum?  ...as long as i can smoke it then i'm game!

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:18 | 642310 Atomizer
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Smart money will pull out of the system prior to any chance of government intervention. It will happen that quickly. Mark my words.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:17 | 642378 Mercury
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And that may well be the tipping point.  There's not much discretionary retail money in the market to make much of an impact these days and all those Magellan-type mutual fund and ETF managers don't have the mandate to suddenly bail out of securities into cash.

 I think it's ridiculous if this last paragraph is trying to imply that the American financial elite (who knows about the international elite) are, to a man, permanently in bed with the current political elite and will go down with the ship if Obama/Gore/Bernanke style central planning and new world order doesn't actually work out.

Even somone like Soros, who obviously wants, pushes and wishes for a Lefty uber-government of staggering power, would probably short the float in Obama Co. the second he thought the game was up.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:02 | 642461 chopper read
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Soros DID short Obama (via equities) on the original stimulus and made a fortune.  

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:17 | 642309 frankTHE COIN
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The Wright brothers were Wrong !

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:27 | 642322 Argos
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I really want to get to that $5 MILLION level.  That sounds really warm and fuzzy.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:10 | 642482 snowball777
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By the time you do, will you still be able to enjoy it?

---

money, yeah all the money there is

but who wants to be the richest guy in some cemetary?

not much to spend it on, eh gramps?

gettin too old to cut the mustard

how does a young body grab ya?

like three card monty, like pea under the shell

now you see it, now you don't

forgetting something, gramps?

in order to feel something,

you got to be there

you've got to be eighteen

but you are not eighteen

you are seventy-eight

old fool sold his soul for a strap-on

- burroughs

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 05:14 | 642629 cossack55
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We will all be there in about 5 months.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:28 | 642323 DollarMenu
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It is interesting to me to find here, in this day of multi-billion dollar bail-outs, and multi-trillion dollar debts, in a population of 4.1 billion adults on the planet,

only 81,000 have amassed piles in excess of $50 million.

That is not a lot of people, and I wonder just how much in excess of $50 million they have.

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:33 | 642340 Bear
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and just how much of the "multi-billion dollar bail-outs" they got.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:49 | 642448 Kobe Beef
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I didnt get any, so they definitely have my share.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:06 | 642476 Bear
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Sorry Dude, I got my share, so now I'm on my way to Kuala Lumpur

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 06:10 | 642647 Kobe Beef
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hahaha! make sure you spend it on something fun!

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:30 | 642327 Bob
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Major work there, Tyler!  Interesting where it lead us--right to our proxy master, Mr. Market. 

Sure puts alot of things in perspective. 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:31 | 642332 Sqworl
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_G2zp-opg

Tyler: The perfect video for this Thread...wee

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:07 | 642556 OldTrooper
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Since we are talking about money, this one seems to fit too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZHCVyllnck&feature=related

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:32 | 642334 Bear
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I saw Columbia had a pretty good balance of financial assets (i.e. < 5% equities). But my question is do 'other financial assets' include cocaine futures of their resultant derivative?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:49 | 642361 Sqworl
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STFU Nico

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:11 | 642483 snowball777
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deviated septum?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:34 | 642336 Atomizer
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Obama said that the US will "insist on more responsibility" and "mutual accountability" and promised top "work with congress to better match our investments with the priorities of our partner countries".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-VAhJywjuI

line, hook and sinker

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:48 | 642359 Bear
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Obama ... "We must do better" ... Boy that is sure an understatement. I am just waiting for him to "insist on more responsibility" and have more "mutual accountability" himself.

I am so tired of him ranting on about how the United States should do more for the world ... as if we haven't been at the forefront of every rescue since 1941 ... and the primary support for every world currency, the IMF and the United Nations. He says that this is the first Administration in history that "blah, blah, blah"   

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:33 | 642339 Endstrategy
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How do I request a story?

I'd like to see another "Open Thread: State of the Economy" like you had in March.

I'd also like to read what zerohedge readers think about safest places on Earth to live in a beach cabana/escape/hide money/survive if the SHTF.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:36 | 642345 Bear
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I vote for Singapore ... as long as you have a couple of million and don't have a proclivity for spitting.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:10 | 642392 Oracle of Kypseli
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Very expensive, clean, but lot's of traffic and permit required to drive in the downtown zones were all the action is.

KL much better.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:56 | 642459 Kobe Beef
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Hello Oracle,

Do you know any good places to store gold in KL?

Thanks,

Beef

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:01 | 642466 Bear
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Probably so but he said 'safest' ... KL may soon be too dangerous for Gringo Christian

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 09:34 | 642884 fiddler_on_the_roof
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Singapore clean? I saw beer cans on sidewalk in good areas. People
Drinking and smoking on sidewalks. Open sewer in small alley streets - I even took video of that because we are told otherwise. A Chicago
Suburb is much cleaner than Singapore.

Otherwise I like Singapore and the whole country is like a giant
Shopping mall. Malls everywhere and people always on the street
Walking into these malls. Lots of apartments everywhere.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 05:25 | 642633 chindit13
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Too damn sterile for me.  Convenient, efficient, clean, access to a wide range of tasty cuisines, but in the end, sterile.  And I don't like monarchies.  Oops, I think they call it a One Family Democracy.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:52 | 642362 macholatte
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Zihuatanejo

 

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:07 | 642390 Oracle of Kypseli
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Great beaches, nice houses, too many banditos.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:05 | 642376 Atomizer
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You can always hitch a chopper ride with a CONgress critter to Mt. Weather, VA. For safety that is.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/mt_weather.htm

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:52 | 642576 TGR
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I would go for an outlying Indonesian island myself (there are between 17k-18k islands in Indonesia). Make sure it's on the southern side of the chain, exposed to the Indian ocean, and far enough away from the main islands in that any locals more or less survive in their own micro-economy.

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:35 | 642344 onlooker
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""The Wright brothers were Wrong"" Yeah, they used warped wing engineering. ring any bells?

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:44 | 642353 Occams Parsimony
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Don't count on it most of their assets are overseas, they were moved there in 2007 when the banks gave them the heads up.

 

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 22:52 | 642364 buzzsaw99
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Averages are misleading. 40% of americans have close to zero or negative net worth.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:53 | 642452 snowball777
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Precisely. When the histo plot looks more like y=1/x reflected about the Y-axis and shifted right, you're well on your way to pseudo-aristocracy (ask Lindsay).

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:00 | 642379 Kreditanstalt
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"Financial assets" seem to become of less real value during times when confidence in the governments and currencies weakens...

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:16 | 642404 buzzsaw99
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cnbc gives zh their props:

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/39619909

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:22 | 642415 Spirit Of Truth
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Mammon worship is what's in at the end of this age.

Mon, 10/11/2010 - 23:54 | 642456 Roomi
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Great post, thanks Tyler! It would also be interesting to see dynamics of Gini coefficient to present day to see by what margin the rich get richer and poor get poorer.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:05 | 642474 Endstrategy
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Has Zerohedge ever done a story about this topic, great escapes? Singapore is great, KL is cool. Any South American suggestions. Most of the internet searches I find are travel marketed crap. Do any of y'all have any escape plans in 3rd world countries? I think Zerohedge should have a whole story about this.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:11 | 642484 Bear
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You have a great handle for this topic ... I live on No Shore Oahu, plenty of military for marshal law and sea urchins to eat, I'm fat 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:14 | 642486 snowball777
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If I told you, it wouldn't be much of an escape plan, que no?

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:57 | 642579 gwar5
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Escape plans? Escape from what? Gee, nobody around here did anything to need escaping....  Seriously, really you better fast it up. The doomsday clock is ticking down. It takes some time to make a transition like that and be organized enough to be happy and successful at it.

Singapore is not really third world, it's nice, but boring and expensive. Brazil is great and whatever you want it to be, most beautiful women, but getting more expensive --- Cabo Frio is along the coast from Rio and very nice coastal town to live. Thailand, Cambodia, nice; Vietnam never been, but all of them are getting the Chinese economic bounce for long term if you feel entrepeneurial. A friend of mine just packed it up and went to St Croix, VI last month after he and his wife visited there two months before for the first time, so there's another place, Caribbean, and it's great if you like boats and water and possible live aboards too. 

I have a buddy in Cost Rica 6 years, and up the coast from him I have a Pacific oceanfront in Nicaragua I bought 5 years ago. (Panama is great too). I also have a place in the North Carolina Mountains. I go back and forth winters/summers. Been doing that for the last several years. When I go South or North I already know people and have a support system which is essential. Nica and Tica girlfriends can't wait 'til you get back, right out of "The Bounty" with Mel Gibson.

Here's one: Rent or buy a foreclosure in USA, and let rooms out. Add reliable roomates that can pay (cash) rent a year in advance and add skills to the collective mix. It will then cost you nothing to always have a shack and not worry about utilites etc. It also then leaves you free to go international to exlore like Thailand/ Vietnam /Central America. Look for a places to hang with expatriates aleady established so you don't screw up.

Then here's another: Look for a happy overseas expatriate couple running a Bed and Breakfast. They're all over. They have the same spirit as you already. Pick a place you like and communicate afar with them via website email or Skype. They're usually friendly and helpful, they know the local people and happenings. Then go spend a month with one of them giving them good business while making freinds and exploring and networking through them to find paradise. They are usually proud of their choice for paradise and want you to be too.

Repeat until you find the place that's right for you. You'll know it when you see it. Do both of the above, you will always have to come back for something.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:10 | 642583 Bear
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This is some of the best advice I've seen on the topic, I'm going to package it and send to my friends, keep it up ... thanks gw

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:58 | 642600 Endstrategy
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gwar, that was a really great answer.

I've been to all the SE Asian countries you mentioned. I need to make my way south and see how I like CR and Nicaragua.

I don't know if I need to escape, but I think there's going to be some civil unrest in the US. Shadowstats is showing around 20% under and unemployed, 6 million Americans get there last unemployment checks in a few weeks, people getting tossed out of homes left and right. I imagine there will be some pissed off people. Then when you factor in that we are probably in the early stages of a total economic disaster, it kind of makes sense to me to have some plan. Somewhere that I can stash some cash or gold, not have to worry about government interference, not have to worry about getting shot, beautiful women, peaceful place. Basically that sounds like somewhere not too connected to the broader global economy. CR is probably a pretty good spot, as is Thailand...

On another note, why are these CAPTCHA equations so complicated? WTF mate?

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 03:47 | 642613 Mentaliusanything
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Vanuatu my boy, Vanuatu. Paradise found.The only place in the world you can leave a wallet at a table to take a piss, come back and met the lovely people who watched over it for you.  

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:28 | 642507 Grand Supercycle
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S&P500 Financials index has not been bullish for some time. This is a warning.

http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/mon-sept-27

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:39 | 642525 Bear
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Then why have I lost so much being short?

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 00:50 | 642537 Stuck on Zero
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Ever notice that tax rates max out at an income of about $100K?  From then on up to billions a year its all flat.  What a scam.  How come the tax rates don't continue on up the scale?  I guess it doesn't matter anyway.  A friend of mine runs tax avoidance schemes for the very, very rich.  They pay as little as 2-7% by offshoring and following the latest loopholes built in by the Congress they own.  Forget throwing tea in the harbor.  Throw Congress.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:35 | 642570 the rookie cynic
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The concentration of wealth has a lot to do with the debt-based fiat money system and taxes. Taxes and interest payments cycle upward and are concentrated at the top of the pyramid. 

If wealth concentrated in the hands of the productive, talented, or even the lucky, wouldn't you have a bell curve distribution and not a pyramid? Of course it depends on how you represent the data, but it seems to me that if there was a level playing field (of course there's not, I'm just hypothesizing), most of the wealth would be centered in middle quartiles. Right?

In the U.S. (depending on where you get the data) somewhere between 35-40% of the nation's wealth is held by the richest 1% of the population. Now I'm sure some of those rich people were really smart and worked their asses off to get where they are, but I venture to guess that uber-rich got there setting there snouts at the top of the tax and interest-payment supply chains and sucking.

It's an empire, not a republic.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:53 | 642577 Bear
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Real wealth IS created by the middle class that produce stuff, but as you say interest and taxes float to the top and either stay there to attract more taxes and wealth or are skimmed off just like some Vegas casino of old.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 04:35 | 642623 Incubus
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Yes, wealth is created by the middle class, but that wealth was never meant to remain in their hands.  I guess it's sort of like sheep-shearing: "wealth" is designed to be taken from the middle class when enough of it has been aggregated.  It's just another function of the middle class to complement the working-slaves of the lower income brackets. 

 

History has never been about the common man; rich men have always run the show and will continue to do so.  Whatever you've been told about freedoms and rights were only there to entice you to invest your effort into the pursuit of wealth aggregation for the elite.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:38 | 642571 cdskiller
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Again, may I just say, what would we do without you, Tyler? This is the only site that matters. Thanks to everyone, in fact. Truth will out, and we will all be better for it.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 01:46 | 642574 Bear
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Clever, witty, kowledgeable, insigtful, foward thinking, leading edge, and truth ... is that all we can get here?

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 14:07 | 643660 Ferrari
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Perhaps we can't all get along, but it's really pleasant to see the esential questions get raised at Zero Hedge.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 02:12 | 642585 Ivar Kreuger
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I just finished Mike Davis' Planet of Slums, then I come here and see this. Thanks for always being fucking reverent Zero Hedge. Always engaged and leading the stories. Read Mike Davis for a look at the future, at the very least you will appreciate his prose.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 03:09 | 642604 BeeTee
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The buying power of $1 million is relative.  It buys less in the west than in China and thus, a chinese dollar millionaire wil be wealthier than a US dollar millionaire.

Consider this.  If I buy a pair of shoes, lunch and a bottle of milk, in the US I can expect to pay $100 (depending on the quality of the shoes!)  In China the same would cost only $10. 

The Chinese have a significant wealth multiplier affect.

 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:39 | 642768 snowball777
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a) Can't you buy the Chinese shoes too? (globalization, baby)

b) Are the shoes really of similar quality?

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 03:36 | 642611 Mentaliusanything
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Interesting to note that the 'red zone' Countries are where the housing / share bubble was juiced the most. This may self correct. But it is nice to know I have a good view from high up in the pyramid ponzi.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 05:58 | 642639 chindit13
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I'm all for setting a cap on the maximum allowable wealth, just so long as it's twice my current net worth.

Seriously, how does a nation, or the planet, stop the drift of wealth toward the elite?  What constitutes fair?  Who determines fair?  With a total supposed wealth of $50 trillion, the average (not median or mode) American is worth a bit over $160K.  In the world, however, the average inhabitant has only a net worth of about $28K.  Anyone reading this who favors some sort of cap or redistribution to something constituting somebody's definition of fairness is going to take quite a lifestyle and standard of living hit if their druthers are implemented.

On a relative basis in this world, even an American whose net worth is below the planet's average probably lives far better than that $28,500 figure would indicate, so if sacrifice is called for, almost everybody in the US is going to pay.  Or do people prefer limiting caps and standards to within national borders?

Perhaps someone can comment on how things can be made more equitable, other than the obvious of not allowing ever again anything resembling TARP in all its forms.

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 08:33 | 642757 snowball777
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I don't think you could realistically enforce the limits across national borders or that capping wealth is necessary (it's the frighteningly steep ratio between top and bottom that is at issue).

There's plenty of room between the status quo and 'fair' to be played with...e.g. getting our Gini coefficient from ~50 back to mid-30s (ala the mid 60s).

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 10:06 | 642975 chopper read
chopper read's picture

"capping wealth", as though possessing 'wealth' hurts other people.  funny.  very well-reasoned, snowball.  ha, ha. 

Tue, 10/12/2010 - 11:28 | 643231 JR
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From The Tax Foundation: October 6, 2010

For the past few years, the IRS has also been presenting data on a small subset of the top 1 percent (AGI over $380,354), the top 0.1 percent (the top 10 percent of the top 1 percent).

In 2008, this top 0.1 percent filed 140,000 tax returns, reporting nearly 10 percent of all adjusted gross income earned and paying approximately 18.5 percent of the nation's federal individual income taxes. The average income for a tax return in the top 0.1 percent was $6.0 million in 2008, while the average amount of income tax paid was $1.36 million, indicating an average effective individual income tax rate of 22.7 percent. Both the income figures and tax figures for this group in 2008 were down significantly from 2007 levels.

[Note: This very top income group actually has a lower average effective income tax rate than the rest of the top 1 percent of returns because these extremely high-income returns are more likely to have income from capital gains and dividends, which are typically taxed at lower rates…]  (IOWs, Buffett pays 15% of his income to tax, while his secretary pays 30%.)

http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html

On the other hand, the nation’s middle class is being shrunk by the low-wage global labor pool.  Said Sally Kalson, a columnist for the Post-Gazette on September 26, 2010 :

“Increasingly, American companies are shipping jobs to destitute people overseas willing to work long hours for a fraction of what American workers need to get by.  The good jobs that used to pay the mortgage, grocery and doctor bills, with enough left to save for a vacation and the kids’ college funf, are outsourced to places like China (where a garment worker makes 86 cents an hour) and Cambodia (where the wage is 22 cents an hour).  Meanwhile, some 40 percent of employed Americans are working in service jobs, often very low paying.”

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