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A Detailed Look At The Spent Fuel Rod Containment Pools At Fukushima

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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:41 | 1064632 Turd Ferguson
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Jeezo, Tyler. Where the hell do you get all this info.

You are the man. The Edward R Murrow of the 21st Century.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:45 | 1064650 I think I need ...
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what i like is they have all the info the fast money guys have on CNBC but just won't tell you....all the bankers left japan.......Jim Sinclair says tonight the end is near.


The timing of this earthquake is impeccable!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:59 | 1064731 Cistercian
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 With apologies to my Lord....

  HOLY SHIT!That's too fucking much to let loose!


  God help us if even 5% of that goes airborne.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:07 | 1065097 10kby2k
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Air force one is going to sprinkle pixie dust...problem solved. Dow up 5,000!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:52 | 1065435 Harmonious_Diss...
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Give Tyler & ZH some props on your blog, Turd!!  wtf? they are not listed...

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:06 | 1065100 Oh regional Indian
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Cistercian, you can bet your last non-glowing bennybuck that 5% of that is already well and truly dispersed. To imagine otherwise, knowing the pool locations and then taking a quick look at the X-plosions and all the gobbledygook explanations, denials, statements and retractions since tell you that fan and shit have met, at high velocity.

And actually, everyone is concerned about airborne, why is no one askign the question about water-borne? Remember thsi was a tsunami that swept in and out? And all thseo expolded tanks? How does water do with nuclear material uptake? Anyone?



Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:06 | 1065311 Cistercian
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 Airborne particles have a distinct FAIL component when wafting over population areas.

  But your point of water contamination is good...if the groundwater becomes hot...it is grim LONG term.Airborne is grim long-term as well(lung cancer).But our experience in the Pacific testing area shows how vegetables can grow well in such an area...and be a poison to all that consume them.This is a poor outcome...to put it mildly.Particulate fallout will be the main mechanism, unless a tsunami hits the nuked reactor site.When the tsunami first hit, it was still not hot there.But it is hot now...and the fallout will have to be dealt with.In the Pacific Test Area, we removed the topsoil...which helped.This is not so cool with nice farmland however....losing your good topsoil sucks big time.And where to put the contaminated soil...hmmm that is a bother.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:50 | 1065423 sharkbait
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Water does not become hot, impurities in water can.  That is my understanding.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 01:52 | 1065546 Cistercian
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 That's what I meant...radioactive material in the water, either dissolved or as particles.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:47 | 1064659 DavidPierre
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"Good Night and Good Luck"

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:56 | 1064708 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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Seriously, it's going to blow and glow.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:03 | 1064751 I think I need ...
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The abc guy tonight was catching a flight a half hour after his interview...this is going to get ugly....watch what they do not what they say

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:37 | 1064660 TomJoad
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I posted this link at 14:23 today.


Just Sayin'


Jump! You Fuckers!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:58 | 1065294 TruthInSunshine
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American officials who have been dealing with their Japanese counterparts report that the country’s political and bureaucratic leadership has appeared frozen in place, unwilling to communicate clearly about the scope of the problem and, in some cases, unwilling to accept outside assistance. Two American officials said they believed that the Japanese government itself was not getting a clear picture from the Tokyo Electric Power Company.

“Everything in their system is built to build consensus slowly,” said one American official who would not be quoted by name because of the delicacy of discussions with Japan. “And everything in this crisis is about moving quickly. It’s not working.”

United States Air Force officials announced Wednesday that a Global Hawk remotely piloted surveillance plane would be sent on missions over Japan to help the government assess damage from the earthquake and the tsunami. A Pentagon official said the drone was expected to fly over the stricken nuclear plant.


American officials were careful to offer no public comparisons to past nuclear accidents when discussing the Fukushima disaster. But clearly the crisis in Japan already far outstrips what happened at Three Mile Island in Pennsylvania, where very little radiation escaped a crippled reactor. The effort now is to keep the Japanese crisis, involving at least three reactors that had been in active use before the quake, and three others that were inactive but had storage pools for spent fuel, from escalating to the levels of the worst nuclear disaster in history: Chernobyl.

Though the plant’s reactors shut down automatically when the quake struck on Friday, the subsequent tsunami wiped out the backup electronic pumping and cooling system necessary to keep the fuel rods in the reactors and the storage pools for spent nuclear fuel covered with cool water.

The spent fuel pools can be even more dangerous than the active fuel rods, as they are not contained in thick steel containers like the reactor core. As they are exposed to air, the zirconium metal cladding on the rods can catch fire, and a deadly mix of radioactive elements can spew into the atmosphere. The most concern surrounds Cesium-137, which has a half-life of 30 years and can get into food supplies or be inhaled.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:51 | 1064680 kinetik
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I can't believe this, amazing information. Thanks ZH!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:52 | 1064683 Michael Victory
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Jeezo, Tyler. Where the hell do you get all this info.
You are the man. The Edward R Murrow of the 21st Century.

tru dat.
interesting sh!t.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:24 | 1064873 Gully Foyle
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Who becomes the first nation to warn their west coast populace about incoming radiation, Canada or the US?

I'm thinking the Canucks will and they are the ones to watch. Vancouver is a big cash pool for them.

If radioactive dust does settle what does that mean? Don't buy West coast fruits and veggies for a few years? Decades? What about Salmon?

Man it would suck no GOM seafood, no Salmon, no Alaskan crab.

Of course we would never be warned by TPTB against eating those irradiated foods.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:54 | 1065037 Idiot Savant
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It's funny you mention GOM seafood. I no longer eat it, but all my friends and family do. When I mention oil and Corexit, they're all like "core what?".

As far as eating west coast fruits and veggies, well, that might not be an issue soon.


Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:22 | 1065172 PY-129-20
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Some of the food in Southern Bavaria is still not allowed to be traded because of Chernobyl. It depends on how much you will get. Let's hope the best.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:31 | 1064912 prophet
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In trying to help out a bit I posted the link to this ppt yesterday:

by prophet
on Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:17


The link below is a ppt from TEPCO and shows some pictures and stats on the pools. 


found from a nice article on the pools at



Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:16 | 1065140 TomJoad
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I came across it via a different path this morning and posted it in another thread. Information flow on ZH is so freaking chaotic due to the signal/noise ratios being FUBAR'd by trolls, morons, etc. it is a wonder anyone sticks around to contribute real information. Do keep up the good work!



Jump! You fuckers!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:32 | 1065373 davepowers
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indeed you did

it's still a chilling read

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:02 | 1065079 critical tinkerer
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What chance is that earthquake smashed all those used (not spent, since they still have 98% of reactivity) fuel rods and crashed them together, which caused cold melt down. Crashed rods let loose all the uranium pellets which were not restrictedby zirconium between pellets anymore. That cold meltdown caused the heat to rise. Also there was tsunami inside the pools, not from outside that spilled from uncovered pools onto ground around reactors. That highly radioactive coolant probably flooded generator room and caused shorts in the system, prevented technicians to refill the pools. Reactor 4 did not have fuel rods inside reactor and it still exploded, which points to spent fuel pools problem. Also the fact that only outer shell exploded, not reactors.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:42 | 1064635 I think I need ...
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Those helicopter drops aren't doing anything. Nothing ...Zilch

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:46 | 1064654 dukeness
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They delay the obvious.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:51 | 1064684 kinetik
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Sorry to say but these are all replays at the moment, the water drops were called off 40 min after they began.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:03 | 1064759 Eddie Stobart
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Apart from reducing the vapour that was billowing from the reactors.


And burning fossil fuels and contributing to climate change, the bastards!

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:04 | 1064765 Hang The Fed
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One WOULD tend to believe the entire idea is totally asinine, what with the fact that the pools are obviously leaking.  Talk about trying to attack a tank with a toothpick.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:17 | 1064843 Papasmurf
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similar to bernake helicopter drops

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:48 | 1064657 ss123
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Why don't they call in Homer Simson so he can run a long hose from the ocean and fill up the tanks?

Slots in Vegas seem to have better odds than these helicopter drops.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:11 | 1065122 homersimpson
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I'm still trying to find the "any" key..

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:48 | 1064663 Gmpx
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I offer to bomb the plant. Vacuum bomb can be tried to open the reactors open without sending ash in the sky. Once reactors are opened helocopters, machines and people can start effectively cleaning the contaminated area.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:49 | 1064665 Math Man
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"And now the only thing left is to spray water in hopes of refilling pools full of thousand of spent fuel rods. Surely, this will end great."

And why wouldn't it? Oh that's right, because here on ZH we believe nothing ends great.

They are currently refilling the pools and and making progress to get the power back up to run the pumps - which the AP reported earlier.   The situation continues to improve....  regardless of what the fear mongering Zerohedge reports.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:54 | 1064691 jerry_theking_lawler
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ah, the meth man....young grasshappa, you no learn about MSM or trusting govemint....its not like running an extension cord to an outside fan and turning it on....

the plant was hit with a salt water tidal wave...aka tsunami....any electrical item this water touched is SHOT. it will probably need a few more days of major repair to get any of these pumps up....time you do not have when there is reported 5rem/hr from the plant.....

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:02 | 1064749 Cognitive Dissonance
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Someone on NHK was saying about an hour ago that once they get power to the site they would need to rig a temporary cooling system because the existing one was compromised by the ongoing problems. So as you say it's not like you flip a switch. Of course this rigging will be done while the crew is being radiated at some level above "normal".

Do I hear volunteers?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:19 | 1064858 Freewheelin Franklin
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I'm certainly no expert on nuclear reactors, but aren't some of those pumps pumping salt water right now? Weren't they made for freshwater? If you put a boat with a freshwater motor in saltwater, it's not going to last very long. Saltwater is much more corrosive to metal and rubber/plastic. It's like trying to run E85 in a gasoline engine.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:31 | 1064910 NotApplicable
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The only pumps that are running are fire trucks.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 22:34 | 1064933 Cognitive Dissonance
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He's saying that running saltwater through made-for-fresh-water pumps will kill them quickly. I agree and they know this as well. They are saying they must rig a temporary cooling system so either they know using the exisiting cooling system won't work for long or they know the exisitng system is already broken.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 03:43 | 1065644 sushi
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He's saying that running saltwater through made-for-fresh-water pumps will kill them quickly. I agree


Doesn't matter if you agree or not. You are still both wrong.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:04 | 1065080 Aristarchan
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CD...these spent fuel pools are somewhat larger than I am used to here in the US. The amount of rods they store in there is probably not best practice. Typically in the US, you rotate rods out of the reactor to minimize rods in the pool. I had read a long time ago from a NRC document that some plants in Japan were storing full fuel reloads in storage pools, but I never really thought about the issue much. Maybe that is part of the problem...people who should know - or are supposed to know, should say something, otherwise everyone gives a collective shrug and eventually it becomes an accepted way of operation.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:28 | 1065364 Aristarchan
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They are saying now they plan to get their existing system running....lots of confusion, as usual. It would be nice though to get those 100,000 GPM coolant pumps up.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:39 | 1065395 Jim in MN
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Until they start chopping up what's left of the units with high pressure jets from cracks....ah hell God bless 'em let's hope it all works great

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:55 | 1065440 Aristarchan
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Well, lets hope not. But high pressure jets reminds me when I worked at Comanche Peak in Texas. Comanche Peak is a PWR, so it pumps superheated steam, which was very high pressure and temperature. The high pressure turbines were built in Germany by Allis-Chalmers, and they leaked like crazy when the plant first started up, and inside the turbine room, it was almost impossible to see the invisible jet of gas, since it did not saturate until it was many feet away from the turbine. We kept broom handles hanging just outside the turbine deck doors so you could wave them in front of you to keep from getting chopped in half. Jesus...I am getting nostalgic in my old age.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 04:28 | 1065668 sushi
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This is the kind of hardware I am familiar with:


When they mentioned "water cannon" something similar to the above came to mind. They have 9 of these down in Tokyo and should have no problem moving them up the coast. I don't think the Japanese have thought of this yet.

Downthread there is some arguement going on about pump capacities. 100,000 GPM sounds decent. Depends on the hardware. Some boats only manage 30,000 GPM. The pressure is sufficient to take down most wood frame structures. On a steel frame with concrete cladding I guess you need to wait for the H2 explosions and then go to work.


Share your concern with that high pressure steam. Worse than anything else.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:33 | 1065378 knukles
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They'll get right on it.  Cooling down 10,000 degree Kelvin molten radioactive glassine goo.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 13:15 | 1067192 collinar
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Yes, I volunteer the guys who designed this, to clean up their own mess. This kills (pun intended) two birds with one stone. i.e. 1.) It gets the mess cleaned up, and 2.) they never get to design anything again, ever.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 21:56 | 1064709 machineh
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See my post below, about needing 3,828 tonnes of water to refill the pool.

You're a math man. Tell us how long that will take with a water cannon.

Please show your work. Thanks in advance.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 23:07 | 1065103 malikai
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According to NHK each water truck has a 4 ton water capacity. Heh.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 00:34 | 1065384 knukles
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And one cubic yard of water weighs approximately 1,700 lbs.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 13:18 | 1067206 collinar
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Factor in the leakage rate. The pools lost water due to physical damage. The pools can not hold water. Now, try to fill the pools.

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