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DigitalGlobe's Satellite Imagery Analysis Of Fukushima

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As actual (not to mention credible) news out of Fukushima and Japan slow to a trickle, potentially due to the recent imposition of Article 15 by the Japanese government (an emergency regulatory clause that allows the senior levels of the
Japanese government to stop other Japanese government agencies from
communicating with the public and news media) which bans nuclear regulatory and protection agencies, from issuing any statements
about the nuclear crisis situation in Japan, the only objective information may soon be flyby analysis by third party satellite companies which do not have skin in the game. Below we present the most recent analysis conducted by imaging company Digitalglobe on the destruction in Fukushima. We hope to be able to update with it with photos showing the explosion/fire at Reactors 2 and 4, as well as get a status update on reactors 5 and 6 which according to recent reports are now also losing cooling capacity (and at least this is far more useful than using satellite imagery to count cars at your local CostCo to gain a trading advantage over your grandma)

DigitalGlobe

h/t Louise

 

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Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:04 | 1057218 Rusty Shorts
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Wait, what happened to all the comments here?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:08 | 1057237 AnonymousAnarchist
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Mark took Wenzel's post word-for-word and didn't even give credit.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:11 | 1057250 Math Man
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Very odd.  1st thread gone.

 

Everyone should read the following:

 

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/page3.html

and

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/

 

Fukushima performed better than it was designed too, and so far, the effects have been minimal.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:13 | 1057257 Rusty Shorts
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That's great, but what happened to the spent fuel rods stored above the reactors?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:17 | 1057268 Math Man
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I haven't seen much on that yet...

Either way, seems to be a big over reaction - even worst case scenario seems very unlikely:

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTMKD7CXOJhs&pos=9

Expect a big Nikkei rally tonight... 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:22 | 1057294 CD
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"Averting a full-scale meltdown -- which scientists say isn’t likely --"

What a curious choice of phrasing... What is not likely, exactly - the meltdown or averting it.

We also hoped that your reappearance on the threads would at least take a little while, but alas...

Pumping doom and gloom is not prudent. Pie-in-the-sky, ignore all available facts (historical and present)  and trust the system to work itself out to the benefit of local and global residents -- sheer idiocy.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:38 | 1057353 Michael
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Interesting primmer on the the full nuclear life cycle. Great photos and an easy read.

 

http://www.peakoil.org.au/news/does_nuclear_energy_produce_no_co2.htm

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:42 | 1057373 Harmonious_Diss...
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Nice link!  Thanks, Michael

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:51 | 1058167 G-R-U-N-T
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Ah...another head up your ass anthropogenic CO2 causes temperature change useful idiot CO2 is a pollutant link.

 

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:12 | 1058287 Reptil
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It's really logical, but here (europe) it's being advertised as the "environment friendly" energy source. If you repeat nonsense often enough, it'll become part of accepted reality.

nice link, thanks

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057302 JW n FL
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by Math Man
on Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:17
#1057268

 

I haven't seen much on that yet...

Either way, seems to be a big over reaction - even worst case scenario seems very unlikely:

http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aTMKD7CXOJhs&pos=9

Expect a big Nikkei rally tonight... 

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it figures... the government goes quiet... and then the dis-information crew starts making the rounds...

 

fuck you $14T in debt Math Pussy.. and tell your dis-information fucking friends to fuck off too.

 

all you mother fuckers need to be rounded up and hung on the white house lawn.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:32 | 1057334 Math Man
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"it figures... the government goes quiet... and then the dis-information crew starts making the rounds..."

I only deal in facts.

The fact is the quake was 5x stronger than the nukes were designed to withhold - and the radiation leakages have been small.  This is completely overblown. 

This is much smaller than Chernobyl ever thought about being, and Chernobyl was a minor hiccup in the end.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:37 | 1057352 Harmonious_Diss...
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Meth Man: Chernobyl=no big deal.  MASSIVE loss of human life=bullish for equities

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:48 | 1057394 UninterestedObserver
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I thought Meth Man was a proven douchebag with zero credibility so don't feed the troll

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:52 | 1057406 taraxias
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++++ well said

massive douche bag

being paid to be a massive douche bag to be exact

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:50 | 1057399 Math Man
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Go look up Chernobyl deaths dipshit...  they were by no means massive.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1057417 Harmonious_Diss...
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LOL! Perhaps your right, no biggie.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:26 | 1057560 greenfire
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Yeah, all those cases of thyroid cancer (at least 6000 to be exact), human and animal deformities, childhood abnormalites from drinking contaminted breast milk....no big deal at all.  A lot of public employees doing their duty died horrible deaths from their efforts, so that should be good for muni bondholders in Japan.  It's all good....  Just keep going down to the store to buy schwag.  It's all you're good for....consumer.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:02 | 1057937 Math Man
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OMG, 6,000 people died in 25 years from Chernobyl.   Holy shit.  Massive deaths.  Cry me a fucking river.

The death toll from the Tsunami and the Earthquake are the real issues here - not Fukushima.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but the radiation scare is being blown out of proportion. 

And PS, the Nikkei just opened up 1.9%.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:28 | 1057574 firstdivision
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Harry, you're still a retard. Oh and for your info read this http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241594179_eng.pdf

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:33 | 1057592 firstdivision
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Sorry to screw up your statement with fact but...http://whqlibdoc.who.int/publications/2006/9241594179_eng.pdf

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:23 | 1057551 Calculated_Risk
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Same spin douchebag kramer was just trying to spin.. "the Nikkei only dropped 8% after this crisis.."

THA'TS BECAUSE IT'S CLOSED KRAMER YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:58 | 1057442 barkingbill
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wow math man you are like wrong on every issue. how do you manage that? perfection of wrongness. 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:06 | 1057479 Math Man
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Wrong by whose standards?  The Zerohedge looney bin?

I made a bunch of money today - it was a good day to own puts on gold and silver.  How did you do?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:15 | 1057517 Harmonious_Diss...
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Earned an honest living, ya know, contributing to society in a positive way.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:14 | 1057518 Harmonious_Diss...
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Oh wait, you don't know!  LOL!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:58 | 1057693 I_Rowboat
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Oh man, yep, the egg is on my face today!  The silver I bought last year went from a 92% increase in dollar value only a few few  days ago clear down to a meager 83% over what I bought it for.  And I still can't eat it.  I must be a real idiot.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:13 | 1057511 AchtungAffen
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That was the first minor hiccup I've ever seen that rendered big patches of land permanently uninhabitable...

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:34 | 1057822 Miss anthrope
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YOUR KIND will be rounded up and hung.  Enjoy your government paycheck...... while it still rolls..........you traitor, you scum,  Do you enjoy it?  Huh?  Do you enjoy this?  Go get a real job

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:22 | 1058353 Reptil
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That is a disgusting and factually wrong thing to say. Shame on you and yours forever.

I demand a retraction, and apology.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 01:50 | 1059511 Attitude_Check
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So because the quake was 5x stronger than designed for -- we should all rest easy?

Logic isn't your strong suit is it?

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 01:54 | 1059521 Attitude_Check
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Oh and the fact that multiple entire towns are inside the "exclusion zone" and are too hot to live in or farm, isn't anything much to worry about either.  Or that the only reason it isn't MUCH worse is that firefighters and construction workers committed suicide while building the Sarcophagus.

Wed, 03/16/2011 - 01:53 | 1059525 Attitude_Check
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Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:32 | 1057332 Harmonious_Diss...
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Your one high guy! You post Unicorns and faries, fucking fantasy land where  exploding fucking containments at 30+ year old Nuclear BWR's are not a big deal. Where the worst disaster in a nations history is bullish for equities, basically you are a government shill, hack, fuck! The way you seem to see it, Meth, is "hey, free hottubs!" 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:40 | 1057365 PY-129-20
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You don't want to live in that Math Man fantasy world. It looks like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtGk_VMggi4

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:44 | 1057369 Math Man
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Did I say this was bullish for equities?  I said the Nikkei would rally tonight - after selling off massively for 2 days.

Fucking blow me - none of you want to hear any of the facts, and that's why you stupid fucks keep buying PMs.

And calling anyone who doesn't a government shill, hack, fuck

How's that work out for you today? I thought they were supposed to protect you... but no - the S&P dumped one percent while gold and silver and the rest of the commodities complex got creamed.  

You fucking morons just don't get it.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:47 | 1057383 Harmonious_Diss...
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What are your thoughts on Japan liquidating any US tresury holdings?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:49 | 1057890 Bicycle Repairman
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Mathman, you ridiculous sock puppet, if this doesn't seem to be your kind of message board, may I suggest the Yahoo stock boards?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:45 | 1058118 crazyjsmith
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So Meth Man,

Feeling a little premature?  Does your girl relish in your ability to arrive (at a conclusion) prematurely?

If you jumped off the roof of a 50 story building (feel free by the way) would you tell everyone how safe it was as you were passing the 45th floor?  Does that sound about right? 

Before you praise yourself and pat yourself on the back, you might want to sit back and take a larger sample.  As in more than one day of trading puts on PM's.  And before you prematurely ejaculate your nonsense that this FuckUshima Reactor situation is just a minor speed bump, you might want to give it a few days to proclaim yourself Nostradamus. 

The reality is, we won't know the reality for some time. Days, weeks, maybe even months.  And feel free to tell the entire country of Japan to not worry, and just relax.  What is a few deformed babies anyway, right? 

So go find yourself a 50 story building, will ya?   

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:56 | 1057439 franzpick
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Some of us are spending hours trying to extract the hard, new developments from the sea of disinformation, denial, ommision, lipsticking and happytalk.

With most details suppressed, is there really any level of 'over-reaction' for 4, and likely 7, exploded, burning and melting reactors?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:48 | 1057869 Bicycle Repairman
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Wed, 03/16/2011 - 08:11 | 1059927 sullymandias
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I've seen so many "big overreaction" comments about this whole thing. There is at least a partial meltdown in multiple reactors in a nuclear power plant in one of the most densely populated areas of the world, and your response is "don't worry be happy"? WTF? I have to wonder about the psychology of somebody who just wants to shrug this off.

 

Junkie's brother: "Oh my God, your fingernails are falling off! You have sores all over your face! What's happened to you?"

 

Junkie: "Relax dude, it's not a big deal."

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:22 | 1057291 mynhair
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Fire trucks are pumping water up to keep them submerged.

Last I heard from friend in Nippon.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:19 | 1057272 taraxias
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This will prove out to be the greatest nuclear disaster ever and you think the "effects have been minimal"

Change your name to the Meth Man.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:24 | 1057292 Math Man
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Did you even read the links?

This situation is nowhere near as bad a Chernobyl, and the long term effects of Chernobyl were minimal. 

You are speaking from a position of ignorance and greatly over-reacting.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057303 taraxias
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I read the links.

When the meltdown reaches water under it, there's no Article 15 or paid propaganda that will spin the truth.

Keep watching, I don't think you'll have to wait long.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:28 | 1057307 bob_dabolina
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Fukushima has been upgraded to a 6 on a scale of 1 - 7 of how fucked we are.

Seeing as the government and everyone is lying you can multiply that 6 by 2 to get the real number.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:11 | 1057496 Agent P
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On a scale of 1-7, the answer is 6x2.

I think that was my CAPTCHA test the last time I logged in.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:35 | 1057342 Harmonious_Diss...
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Ha! "Just get some frozen yogurt over ther, no problem at all!" We should never be so ignorant to believe REPEATED explosions at old-hat technology generating facilites is something to be concerned about?  How much US-Tres. does Japan hold? Do you think they will liquidate any of that to fix their country? Is this bullish for equities, Meth? Holy Shit.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1057425 pyrometer
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Referring to fresh explosions that occurred earlier in the day at the site and problems in a pool storing spent nuclear fuel rods, the Washington-based think tank said, ''This accident can no longer be viewed as a level 4 on the International Nuclear and Radiological Events scale that ranks events from 1 to 7.''

Noting that a level 4 incident involves ''only local radiological consequences,'' it said the ongoing crisis is ''now closer to a level 6, and it may unfortunately reach a level 7'' -- a worst case scenario with extensive health and environmental consequences.

 

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78374.html

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:29 | 1057577 Miss Expectations
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I can't believe that a Washington-based think tank didn't take the stress test approach, change the scale from 1-7 to 1-100 and keep the risk level at 6.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:37 | 1058080 slewie the pi-rat
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thank you, MissE!  i needed that after a long sloggy day in these trenches, and it looks like our column iz beginning to guard its flanks better too! i think about 3-5 "think tanks" decided to take field trips to see our fuking zoo, this afternoon!  jeeez!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:18 | 1057530 Richard Head
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Save your breath, people.  Meth man just gets off on being a douche.  He proffers up stupid drive-by commentaries, then he disappears for a while when his ideas are thoroughly discredited a few days later.  The douche is no trader, and I'd bet he doesn't even have any capital.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:52 | 1057902 Bicycle Repairman
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Hey Beavis, I'll bet he doesn't have pubes, heh, heh.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 22:06 | 1058558 Reptil
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Math Man is another one of those disgusting creatures, that knowingly try to predict long term effects and cycles with short term effects of a complex system (with government and nuclear industry intervention), and blatant disinformation.

At some point it becomes clear that people propagating these myths (that Chernobyl wasn't a big deal), are becoming a hindrance to the survival of the human race. That's not a prediction, but a conclusion. Anyone investing or trading should know what they're investing in. I know that's not very common, but to sprout this kind of nonsense while there's a (partial) meltdown in progress, in a densely populated area, and germinate factually incorrect data about a game changing event like this one obviously is, is taking it one step too far.

http://www.greenfudge.org/2011/02/28/chernobyl-needs-new-radiation-shiel...

a report from someone who dared to look:

"2006 is the 20th anniversary year of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. Powerful pro-nuclear forces are committed to spinning out positive 'news releases' and 'reports' to lessen the negative impact.... The UN report sound like people about to begin to populate those part of the land where according to UN radiation levels had mostly returned to acceptable levels. Let me assure, nothing of this kind is really happens. Each year I travel I see more and more desolated villages and towns. The whole area is dying away. One of the reason why people do not want to settle in areas close to Chernobyl is because the hastily constructed sarcophagus is in danger of collapse."
Elena Filatova, Ukraine - Chernobyl Journal

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:26 | 1057313 firstdivision
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Harry!!! I knew you couldn't stay away for long. BTW that article from the register is still crap and has no credibility whatsoever. It's just random musings if a bored brit. He said yesterday that all reactors were shut down and cooled...then boom went another reactor. The guy has no sources in Japan, probably never had sushi either. P.s. captcha doesn't work on a phone.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:04 | 1057219 theopco
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Hey how come the first thread got nuked?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:05 | 1057227 etrader
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I thought artical 15 had been applied ;)

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:42 | 1058103 slewie the pi-rat
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XLNT, ET!  tyler, yer looking pretty fuk-u-shitty in that kimono w/ the big blue flowerz!  but the hattori honzo sword is perfect with the carp on the parasol!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:06 | 1057233 theopco
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whoops, bad choice of words. apologies.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:46 | 1058128 slewie the pi-rat
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lol!  nobody noticed!  now, you've made us feel stupid!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:49 | 1057400 andybev01
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Gilbert Gottfried, is that you?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:21 | 1057546 theopco
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ouch.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:05 | 1057221 theopco
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Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:05 | 1057222 TomJoad
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If they were storing used fuel rods upstairs in building #3, they have a (yet another) serious problem.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:10 | 1057247 Commander Cody
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They have.  All BWRs have storage pools on the top floor.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:54 | 1057432 Dabale arroz a ...
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Both in #1 and #3? Not goor. I'll try to find maps of the plants, to see what has been blown away

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:04 | 1057475 Dabale arroz a ...
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Ooops, here is one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BWR_Mark_I_Containment_sketch.png

The explosion on #1 doesn't seem to have damaged the spent fuel (SF in the image) room, but #3 is completely blown, so my guess is that al radioactive material has scattered all away. That would be a really dirty bomb, wouldn't it? fuck, The Shit Hit Fan!!!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:01 | 1058214 slewie the pi-rat
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not sure?  me, either.

prob'ly, but it's a secret.  and they called article 15, probably because of the trolls we wasted here, today, reporting that this ain't like arranging sex with teen agers!

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:09 | 1057230 bob_dabolina
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please, you get more radiation taking a shit on a sunny day. nothing can be obfuscated here as there are trolls running around with dosimeters monitoring the situation. you will know the truth as soon as it happens. i also rec. TEPCO to just let it meltdown, it will be way easier to handle the situation in that case.

-trav7777

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:08 | 1057242 theopco
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That shit's still funny

lol

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:13 | 1057253 bob_dabolina
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He's over on the Japan Wind Thread talking about some stupid shit how miners who smoke are less likely to get cancer or something.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:04 | 1058240 slewie the pi-rat
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i know!  but only if they smoke more than 10 cigs!  i tried to kill him, but he's got hiz hed wedjed and with the ninja turtle shell, he's practically armadillo. 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:10 | 1057315 theopco
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Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:07 | 1057236 A Man without Q...
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Unit 3 looks scarily like Chernobyl. I don't understand why the explosion was so different to that an Unit 1 if it was the same thing...

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:10 | 1057246 Tyler Durden
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Unfortunately the first thread was lost due to a minor server hiccup. No Article 15 was applied.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:19 | 1057280 New_Meat
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I thought this was Alex Jones' "interned kill switch test on 3/15" thingie.  - Ned

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:11 | 1057248 TomJoad
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I was just thinking about the fact that even if they don't have a "full meltdown" in any of the reactors, the mess they have there will require some serious "heavy lift" robots to get a lot of the cleanup work done. Might be a good investment play for those of you still playing the markets. 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:39 | 1057612 Byte Me
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At least it's the best place to get robots from.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:18 | 1057254 Shell Game
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Not sure why they bother to highlight 'trucks' that are actually sections of blown piping next to a single truck/van.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:15 | 1057264 godzila
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I'm very perplexed by the timing of having the satellite overflying Fukushima at the exact moment unit 3 went bust

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:47 | 1057351 BigJim
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Geo-stationary?

(edit) You're right, the angles have changed. Not a stationary satellite.

Hmmm....

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:27 | 1057566 godzila
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These are LEO picts - you won't get anything like this from geostationary.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:19 | 1057271 Dirt Rat
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the only objective information may soon be...analysis by third party...companies which do not have skin in the game

This is exactly why I don't readily trust information by actual nuclear experts. They have skin in the game and make a very good living from nuclear power. They have economic motivation to downplay the problems so they can continue to make that very good living.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:19 | 1057277 Johnny Lawrence
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Like mutual fund managers?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:32 | 1057330 Almost Solvent
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Don't forget student loan officers

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:57 | 1057686 knukles
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Or Jamie, Lloyd and Steve who are acting in an advisory capacity to the Kremlin helping to make Moscow into a modern financial center.  They'll know what to do.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:00 | 1057926 Bicycle Repairman
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"This is exactly why I don't readily trust information by actual nuclear experts. They have skin in the game and make a very good living from nuclear power. They have economic motivation to downplay the problems so they can continue to make that very good living."

Nuclear power workers are, in my opinion, as trifling and self serving as any banker.  Their credibility is on a par with used car salesmen and the US congress.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:20 | 1057285 TruthInSunshine
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Certainly, this news never would have been reported prior to 4 pm est.

Problems surface at another nuclear reactor at Fukushima plant Los Angeles Times - Thomas H. Maugh II - Ralph Vartabedian - 45 minutes ago

 


A fire -- now extinguished -- at a spent fuel pool on the roof of reactor No. 4 has authorities concerned. The fuel rods in the pond are not enclosed in a containment vessel.
Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057305 mynhair
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Spent rods are never in a "containment vessel", hence the term 'spent'.

Fire trucks are pumping up water to replace any lost to evaporation.  Those ponds are the receptacles for condensed cooling water. 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:38 | 1057337 TruthInSunshine
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I think it's being reported that they are just out in an open air environment.

Which can't be good.

 

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:12 | 1057501 franzpick
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Weren't the regular workers all evacuated yesterday?

I'll believe firemen are manning hoses in the trucks next to the reactors when I see the photos.  And the lead suits they need to be wearing in what has to be deadly radiation.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:01 | 1057708 knukles
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Well, they're not "regular workers" anymore.

Let's get real.  This thing by everybody's own fucking admission is several facilities in meltdown, spent rods aflame and radioactive steam repleate with cesium, barium, iodine, the very breath of Satan escaping into the atmosphere.

There is no if, and, but or maybe.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:13 | 1058288 slewie the pi-rat
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don't ferget the plutonium in #3, k.  MOX fuel rods used in Japanese Nuclear Reactor present multiple dangers

we don't want yer 'nadz feeling strapped, ok?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:24 | 1057296 Poor Grogman
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"Deep storage" of AU to save being irradiated / washed away makes even more sense.

Im starting to see the logic,

Must be losing it....

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:24 | 1057300 Bagbalm
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They probably want to keep a mass exit from Tokyo starting. If I were there however nothing could be calculated to make me run better than a news cut-off.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1057429 andybev01
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Beat me to it.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:18 | 1058313 slewie the pi-rat
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we don't want the children to get the idea that their families might leave their homeland b/c of a tsunami, for pete's sake!  better to keep the families with children right where they belong! 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057306 americanspirit
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Good news! PG&E says the Diablo Canyon reactopr was designed to withstand a 7.5 which, according to their scientific advisors, is way beyond anything that might happen. The design's all good. All possibilities present and accounted for, sir!

Well, as long as we're doing possibilities here, in the case of Diablo instead of an ocean tsunami coming from the west, how about a dirt tsunami coming down from the east? Last I drove up Hwy 101 and took a look those hills above Diablo they don't look all that stable to me. So, shake shake goes a little 7.0 landside, down comes the dirt & pushes Diablo into the ocean, whoosh goes the sparkly steam. Wanna bet that scenario has been covered?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:31 | 1057327 ziggy59
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the titanic was unsinkable too..

im sure the Japanese thought their plants were EQ-proof too

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:45 | 1057382 mynhair
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It's Cali; they deserve it.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:10 | 1057725 knukles
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Same fucking logic as was applied to Fuckyoushitme. 
That magnitude?  Impossible.  Well, OK, but highly unlikely.  One in a bazillion chance.  So not to worry....
Never happen here, my ass.  Just depends on from where you start counting to a bazillion  That's why it's referred to as a tail event.
As tail end...
Assholes.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057316 Threeggg
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Now units 5 & 6 @ Fukushima are in trouble and heating up/

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asiapacific/

This is getting uglier by the hour

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:27 | 1057318 OpenEyes
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This "Article 15" news censorship is very troubling to me.  More or less confirms that we can't believe what the official government sources are saying.  If I just look at the evidence, the things they my lying eyes are telling, I see;

The US Navy bugging out immediately

A bunch of governments recalling their staff and citizens

The last batch of seemingly credible information from the Japanese government (I assume this was prior to Article 15) was that all temperatures in these things were going UP and they suspected some damage to at least one reactor unit (OK, I don't know all of the accurate nomenclature, bear with me on that) and one of the spent fuel pools

That Atomic Energy agency was complaining that the Japanese government wasn't being more forthcoming with their info

 

I'm sure I'm missing some other stuff, but, seems to me that they are much more concerned at this point with managing the possible panic of 70mm or so people than they are with letting the media know what's going on with the nuclear catastrophe.  This can't be good.  

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:33 | 1057335 mynhair
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When was the last time any goobermint told the truth about anything?

This shocks you?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:40 | 1057366 OpenEyes
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I didn't say it shocked me at all.  I was speaking in reference to the damage to the nuclear facility.  I'm trying to interpret all of the information that I'm getting and the info I'm not getting.  In that context, yes, it troubles me that the Japanese government decides to publicly and actively NOT provide information.  

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:48 | 1057395 mynhair
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At least 'they' haven't shut the Internet down -- yet.  Just the online rad meter.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:26 | 1058366 slewie the pi-rat
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bingo! openEyes.  and what if the US was complicit in the secrecy, too?  of course, we have no evidence, other than the fact that we've been complicit in every crock of living bullshit ever uttered during our lifetimes, of course!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:30 | 1058399 slewie the pi-rat
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oh---and the fact that the Navy pulled out, but why stay?  and maybe a handful of other indications, too.  oh---we're busy with that no-fly thingy for the bankster cabal and mossad, that's right!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:39 | 1057354 velobabe
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i read, it is all being jerry rigged. who in the hell is jerry, any way!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:15 | 1057751 knukles
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The TV host guy with all the twin tranny midget marriages, alcoholic trailer trash and Elvis look alike UFO co-pilot shit. 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:51 | 1057413 PY-129-20
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You missed one point indeed. The guy at the top of the Japanese government, Kan, wasn't even informed when No. 3 exploded - he first heard it from television news, two hours after the incident.

How does that make people in Japan feel? Even their own president doesn't really know what's going on.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:57 | 1057437 andybev01
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reference 'My Pet Goat'.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:32 | 1057328 TruthInSunshine
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They will have all the emergencies now being reported under control by 9 am est U.S. tomorrow.

Then, all the day's accumulated crises will be reported in an info dump after 4 pm est U.S.

Also, radiation levels will spike from 4 p.m. to about 8:15 am est, and then go near normal levels during market open time.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:34 | 1057339 mynhair
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Kewl.  I'm not the only one charting the BS spew.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:46 | 1057387 Cdad
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Yep...basically a repeat of today...with fear in the premarket...and then miraculous rallies beginning at 9 minutes after the bell.

Of course, each time through this nonsense, market credibility dies a bit more...until, at length, no one will take Wall Street out of its long positions because no one cares about the corrupt equity market anymore.

We draw closer to that moment each day, which gives me a sense of peace...that the Fed and its minions are near the end of their reign.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:50 | 1057403 mynhair
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Hell, today it was 30 seconds after the bell PPT showed up.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:34 | 1058418 slewie the pi-rat
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actually, myn, w/ the Rule 48 or whatever it was, the PPT was there abt 2 hours, prior, i wld say...

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:38 | 1057356 MachoMan
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What's all the shiny stuff out in the ocean around the smoke plume?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:30 | 1057583 TWORIVER
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Unicorn shit

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:20 | 1057768 knukles
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Cool!  Unicorn Skittles! 
Shit's everywhere.  More prevalent that mysterious UFO sightings.
(Which there were as per several nut-job websites.)
What flavor?

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:38 | 1057359 Dan The Man
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god bless personal global communications...while we have them.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1057416 mynhair
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Therein lies the truly scary scenario.  Communications are so easy to shut down, with no hope of a horse showing up in 2 weeks.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:42 | 1057370 Horatio Beanblower
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Oops!  I think someone just told the truth... US Surgeon General: Buying Iodine a "Precaution" - http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Surgeon-General-Buying-Iodine-Appropriate-118031559.html

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:39 | 1058445 slewie the pi-rat
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well, that IS reassuring!  that is many levels below 'recommended', much less 'necessary'.

why shld we hafta "buy" it?  where's the WHO when we need them?  let's get some mercury-contaminated fuking K-iodide in here and get some grand mals started with the kids if we can!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:42 | 1057372 slowx
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Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:51 | 1057404 HungrySeagull
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And they are behind up to 18 days on the stuff that was ordered. And UPS dumped a bunch of stuff because no shipments to Japan allowed.

 

Bottles of the pills now breaking $40-60 dollars for 60 pills a bottle elsewhere online.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:44 | 1057377 Lord Welligton
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Repost

If a fire in fuel pool on the roof of No.4 is a problem.

We better hope they weren't storing rods on the roofs of No 3 and No 1.

Because those roofs aren't there any more.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:53 | 1057418 Lord Welligton
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Thanks

"People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.

Gundersen said the unit 1 pool could have as much as 20 years of spent fuel rods, which are still radioactive."

"Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies"

So this is a big problem then?

I mean have fuel rods been sprayed all over the site?

MSM seem to be giving this a wide berth.

 

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:12 | 1057507 Lord Welligton
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I'm going to post further down the thread.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:46 | 1057384 Ben Probanke
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22:43 15Mar11 RTRS-FIRE BREAKS OUT AT JAPAN FUKUSHIMA DAIICHI NO.4 REACTOR - NHK QUOTES TOKYO ELEC POWER

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:49 | 1057393 bania
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I'm astounded by the speed and clarity of the reporting on this site.  You folks run circles around the MSM a dozen times with breaking news before they pop their first headline.  I don't think I'll ever forget your call to the citizens of Tokyo to get the hell out of Dodge in the crucial days and hours before it became apparent all was not OK there.  Crucial information at crucial moments to make the right decisions.  If there is any site out there that's "got your back covered", this is it.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:16 | 1057997 Boxed Merlot
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anecdotal comment only, but here in the central valley of NoCal, I caught a few more japanese/asian conversations than normal in my trip to the local supermarket this pm.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:51 | 1057401 jblack010
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Yeah...it's like the end of the world. In 1945, no one would be able to live in Hiroshima for hundreds of years:

http://screencast.com/t/wvwsRk1PFqgn

 

Such sage advice...short Hiroshima: Look Now

http://screencast.com/t/5Y2gwsZEYp3

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:50 | 1057405 proLiberty
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One 'fallout' from this debacle will be to show that it is foolish to store spent fuel foever at each power plant because of the ongoing risk that it will be a factor in any subsquent accident.  It will be far safer to properly transport and store any spent fuel at an underground storage facility that is remote from anything else, like say Yucca Mountain.

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:55 | 1057438 mynhair
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So, do we get to bitch-slap NV voters yet?  I'd love to bitch-slap that puny little Reid.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:52 | 1057411 Cdad
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Oh oh....on livestream...the first geiger counter spike that I've seen all day.  Still harmless, mind you...but there it is rising just as news comes out about #4 on fire again.  Someone hit me with an article 15 hammer!

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%82%AB%E3%82%A6%E3%83%B3%E3%82%BF

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 17:59 | 1057450 mynhair
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A slight wind shift, no biggie.  Give me a count in the range of the Dow recovery today!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:03 | 1057468 Fix It Again Timmy
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We can't make a one-celled organism and yet we're playing with forces that have the created the universe - good luck with that, never give matches to kids...

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:24 | 1057784 knukles
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+ Infinity

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:10 | 1057497 Paul Bogdanich
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The government limits them to half meter resolution for public images if I recall.  I bet the full images from the floaters tell the authorities a lot more.  Not that this does us any good.  Our government lies more and more often than theirs does so no accurate assesments are forthcoming.   

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:16 | 1057519 Lord Welligton
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@ Horatio Beanblower

If No.4 is a problem because the spent fuel pool is in the roof.

Where did the spent fuel pools of No.1 and No.3 go?

Surely this is an issue.

Or have I missed some update that says there was no spent fuel in the roofs of No.1 and No.3?

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:27 | 1057571 Horatio Beanblower
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I would assume that both 1 and 3 had rods in their roofs.  I have not heard anything to the contrary.  If the rods were there, they are now all over the site and they could very soon be all over Japan and further afield.  The explosion at 3 was most concerning.

 

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:48 | 1057878 Lord Welligton
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"Sorry for the delay in getting back to you"

Not a problem Horatio.

I was watching some local politics.

I just wanted a sanity check.

If I get this. This is what it means. It is rather like the Richter Scale.

Where 2 is double  1. And 3 is double 2.

Which is to say an exponential crisis.

I am astounded, again, that this is not public.

I am also astounded that this thread has not picked up on it.

Other than your good self.

I will repost this.

But I just can't get over the fact. And it is a fact. That no one here wants to contemplate that the roofs of all of those buildings were full to the gulls with radiating rods.

Why is this not an issue.

Why are people concentrating on Building 4?

 

 

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 21:46 | 1058474 slewie the pi-rat
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dude, i've been beating this fuking drum with one or two nods from others, for 6 hours!  really!  hi!  are you married?  lol!

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 18:36 | 1057606 Horatio Beanblower
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Here is a diagram showing the inside of one of the reactors - http://www.npr.org/2011/03/15/134552475/radiation-fears-rise-at-japanese-power-plant?ft=1&f=1001

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 19:57 | 1057916 Odd Ball
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LW, as I understand it, the storage pools are located below the metal framework sections of the buildings.  The lower 3/4 of the buildings appear to me cement walled and the upper 1/4 metal clad.  The hydrogen has accumulated in these upper metal clad crane bays and blown them apart.  As I understand it, the cranes are (were) used to lift the fuel rods in and out of the reactor vessels for service and refueling.

The reports I have seen indicate that units 1, 2 & 3 were in operation prior to the quake, and thus loaded with fuel.  I would guess that the storage pools, located at the top of the concrete section of the reactor buildings, are used to temporarily store fuel rods during reactor servicing or refueling.  This would make sense - keeping the fuel close by since they would be loading it back into the reactor vessel in the near future.  Might this suggest the pools at 1, 2 & 3 were empty?  I would guess that longer term fuel storage would be at other pools located elsewhere on the grounds.

I am guessing that the rods in unit 4 caught fire since they were out of the reactor and likely in the rooftop short term pool.    Keep an eye out for fires at #5 and #6...

Looking at the photos of #1, where we can now see the concrete rooftop since the crane bay has blown away, it does not look as though the rooftop pool was breached.  Looking at #3 it's a lot harder to tell what's going on.  However, in the first photo there is a big darkish "splat" against the long building that stands between the reactor buildings and the sea.  Given the much greater level of wreckage visible at the roof level of #3 I wouldn't bet against that pool having been compromised.

There is also a plume of steam escaping from the roof of #3.  I don't know what caused that but 3 things seem like likely candidates: 1) a breached reactor core, 2) a boiling storage pool, or 3) steam escaping from a breached cooling system pipe.  Not sure if any of those are correct.  Nuclear engineers, please feel free to jump in and advise.

Tue, 03/15/2011 - 20:56 | 1058192 Lord Welligton
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Thank you for that.

Now my concern is this.

All of the buildings looked the same to me. And being human I imagine that they were all used in the same way.

That is, I do not think that Building 4 was an exception when the Tsunami struck.

Buildings 1 and 3 were used in the same manner.

It is only common (human) sense.

Perhaps you have evidence that the “management” “knew” that Building 4 was that place to store “all” of the spent rods.

I don’t

“LW, as I understand it, the storage pools are located below the metal framework sections of the buildings.”

 

That gives me no comfort.

 

I, and the Japanese people, want to know that when Building 1 and Building 3 blew their tops that there were no rods in the rafters.

 

“Might this suggest the pools at 1, 2 & 3 were empty?  I would guess that longer term fuel storage would be at other pools located elsewhere on the grounds.”

Might this suggest?

I have no problem with what might or might not be suggested sharing a bottle of Dalmore with you in The Highlands. Philosophy is food.

http://www.scotchwhisky.net/distilleries/dalmore.htm

I do have a problem with.

“I would guess that longer term fuel storage would be at other pools located elsewhere on the grounds.”

Neither you nor I need to “guess”. They did not guess. They made decisions about where and how to store the rods.

They stored it in the attic.

“I am guessing that the rods in unit 4 caught fire since they were out of the reactor and likely in the rooftop short term pool.    Keep an eye out for fires at #5 and #6...”

“Keep an eye out for fires at #5 and #6..”

I will indeed.

Still, in your response, I am not yet assuaged of my fear.

Nothing so far suggests that Building 1 and Building 3 were not storing rods in the attic.

“Looking at the photos of #1, where we can now see the concrete rooftop since the crane bay has blown away, it does not look as though the rooftop pool was breached.”

I disagree Odd Ball.

I saw the shock wave. I pointed it out on ZH.

Nothing in the attic. And I mean nothing survived that shock wave.

I will take it that you do not require me to provide the video.

“Given the much greater level of wreckage visible at the roof level of #3 I wouldn't bet against that pool having been compromised.”

 

Compromised.

 

Yes. A nice and clinical use of language. Almost military. Like some sort of asset in the field.

 

Of course it belies the fact that you agree with me.

 

Building 1 and Building 3 did store spent rods?

 

 

“1) a breached reactor core, 2) a boiling storage pool, or 3) steam escaping from a breached cooling system pipe.  Not sure if any of those are correct.  Nuclear engineers, please feel free to jump in and advise”

 

“1) a breached reactor core”

 

As yet unfounded. Though I’m thinking 1 of 4 might have.

 

“2) a boiling storage pool”

 

Seems to be the case with Building 4.

 

“3) steam escaping from a breached cooling system pipe”

 

All 4 have suffered from steam escaping.

 

“Nuclear engineers, please feel free to jump in and advise””

 

You don’t need nuclear engineers to jump in. They have nothing to offer.

 

Either Building 4 was the only building to store spent rods or it was not.

 

To my eye all of the buildings are the same. And I will, as a human, take it that they were used in the same way.

 

It is human nature.

 

I’m sorry.

 

Thank you for your explanation.

 

My fear is not assuaged.

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