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Disappointing August SAAR Estimate

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The chart below says it all: August SAAR, estimated at 13.7 million by Citigroup economists, was slightly better than the prevailing consensus of 13.3 million, significantly below Goldman's ebullient expectation of 15.5 million, and will likely be seen as a disappointment of the impact of Cash for Clunkers. And now comes the subsidy hangover. Zero Hedge provides its September estimate of a 9.5 million SAAR, mostly as a function of at least 1.5 million auto sales having been pulled from forward periods. We would not be surprised if the actual number comes in below our estimate.




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Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 18:29 | Link to Comment KeyserSöze
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How can you lose credibility when you don't have any?

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:22 | Link to Comment thomd (not verified)
Wed, 09/02/2009 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:24 | Link to Comment cbxer55
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Absolutely! And how many of those cars bought on CFC will end up repoed? Our local credit union, Tinker Federal, has a yard chock full of repoes. And this in Oklahoma City, where suppossedly, "we have not been hit by this crisis yet".

There are so many repoes they overflow out into the employee/customer parking lot.

Green Shoots!

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:35 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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I would love to see pics of that!  They are storing new cars under freeway underpasses here in LA now, never used to be there. Anyone else seen that? Think its under the 10 and 110 interchange...see it when im on 10 west

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:29 | Link to Comment walküre
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9.5 million in September?

You must have been smoking a plantation of "green shoots".

September is typically not the time to buy a new car.

 

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:34 | Link to Comment cbxer55
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At this point in time, what month is?

My wife and I drive 98 Fords, our daughter

has a 96 Toyota. All long ago paid for.

What month would be good for us to

trade paid for vehicles for payments? :-)

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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You'll have to wait for Obamas "crazy 8's cash", anything manufactured in a year ending in "8" gets a replacement rebate based on how much disposable income you can commit to new debt. Clunk your personal balance sheet today!

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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haha.  nice flag btw.  i'm sending it to flag@whitehouse.gov.   they want flags right?

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:22 | Link to Comment thomd (not verified)
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Rollerball
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ROFL!

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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I have a '98 car.  It's paid for.  The insurance is cheap.  It works fine as long as I change the oil.  Why would I trade it in? 

 

Ah right -- so I go into debt.  That way,  I am beholden to some corrupt bank that effectively stole money from my unborn grandchildren, and now want to loan it back to me at interest.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 19:45 | Link to Comment They steal from...
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I just bought a toyota corolla with 135,000 miles on it, faded paint.

 

Runs like a top.  Incredibly smooth engine, no vibrations on the highway, straight alignment, 35 mpg.  Just awesome mechanically.

 

Fuck GM and the zombie union.  And the liberals and their clunker scam.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:28 | Link to Comment mgarrett84
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Didn't Elton John sing a song about this in the Lion King  ( The Circle of Strife , or was it "Life")

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:30 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:43 | Link to Comment cbxer55
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Why does Calculated Risk show 14.1 million?

What is the real number here?

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/09/light-vehicle-sales-141-million-saar-in.html

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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Both numbers still are preliminary estimates. I have used Citigroup's prelim

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:49 | Link to Comment Rollerball
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You leased it.  Who you kiddin'?

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 01:26 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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No that's called insurance. Having the privelage of buying a car and then leasing it from the insurance companies so if it gets hurt you get it fixed badly.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Bruce Krasting
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The seasonal thing throws me off. It probably means for the month about 1.4mm cars were sold. Of that 700k were clunkers. So without the subsidy car sales were in the tank.

First time home buyers were 1/3 of all homes purchased for July. That sounds nice. BS. It is just the tax rebate of $8,000.  It is like the SAAR for cars. When the subsidy stops we revert back to deflation.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 18:10 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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If it was 700k clunkers, 200k or so of those aren't going to really close. The gov't is going to kick back quite a bit of the paper and the dealers are going to be writing scripts for their fi-guys.

 

"Do you like the unit? That's great! We have a problem, the gov't funds didn't come through so we have to add 4500.00 to your balance but it will only cost you a few bucks more a month, when can you come by to sign off?"

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Bubby BankenStein
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CFC helped clear the "Channel"

So now plan for production of < 10M.

The Auto complex continues it's miserable spiral.

The Joker is running low on tricks.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Veteran
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What the hell happened to the daily Robotrader report?

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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His avatar must have come to life

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Turnstile
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"Cash for Clunkers" was not intended to jump start the US economy, it was aimed and timed for the Japanese elections--which that as well didn't pan out for the US

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:14 | Link to Comment Iguanadon
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Does anyone know where stats are maintained for reposessions?  It would be fun to watch that ratchet up little by little over the next 12-24 months as those that bought their new cars forgot to take into account the fact that their auto insurance would double or triple what it was for their clunker.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 20:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/01/2009 - 21:54 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Without any substantive securitization of these loans happening and no desire for the banksters to provide consumer loans now, the numbers will probably be as you suggest substantially lower than 9.5 million. Plus the idiots ramping production now are creating an inventory bulge going into their slowest months of November, December and January so this will not end well for the dealers if they take on the replacement inventory plus see a rapid decline in sales as projected. We're looking at depression era numbers without this month gang and there is nothing that government can do to fix this except let the system deleverage and sanity return to the banking system.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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If, as expected, SAAR runs at or below 9.5 now that the subsidy programs in autos, homes and the like have run their course it will become evident that the hopium of a sustained economic recovery premised upon anything other than pulling future expenditure forward with future tax revenues is simply a mirage induced from chasing the hopium dragon.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 22:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/01/2009 - 23:03 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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More of a sideshow. We hope to be within 10 million of the actual number

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 00:22 | Link to Comment joebren
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Put me down for 6 million

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 11:37 | Link to Comment thomd (not verified)
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