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A Disillusioned 99'er Shares His Disappointment With The American Dream, Welcomes Death

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"Mark", a member of the ever growing cadre of disillusioned, disenchanted and disgruntled millions of American unemployed, has written a letter shared by A Company of One, in which he explains the plight of 99'ers (those whose extended unemployment benefits are set to expire) in which he chronicles his plight and his terminal disappointment with the American system. One can only imagine how all the "99'ers" would feel if they did not have the benefit of living at least partially subsidized for 2 years in the socialist state of America. If Bahrain is any indication, where the government's attempt to purchase the love of its people just failed today, pretty soon not even the 99 weeks of EUCs will do much to suppress what is an unmistakably rising anger among the broad US population.

From Mark's letter:

To the unemployed, sick, disabled and poor:


I'm unemployed over two years now, a 99er without any benefits for
three months. I followed Unemployed Friends almost from its start, never
posted until now, but am grateful for my time with you all. I did as
asked with calls and e-mails, etc. I've a confession to make to you all.
I'm a criminal.

I've obeyed the 10 commandments and all laws except: I'm unemployed
and that's now a crime, I'm poor and that's a crime, I'm worthless
surplus population and that's a crime, I'm a main street American
Citizen born and raised in the USA and that's now a crime, and I'm
euthanizing myself as I write this note -- so arrest my corpse. This
isn't a call for help, the deed is done, it's not what I wanted. Death
is my best available option. It's not just that my bank account is $4,
that I've not eaten in a week, not because hunger pangs are agonizing
(I'm a wimp), not because I live in physical and mental anguish, not
because the landlady is banging on the door non-stop and I face
eviction, not that Congress and President have sent a strong message
they no longer help the unemployed. It's because I'm a law abiding
though worthless, long-term unemployed older man who is surplus
population. Had I used my college education to rip people off and steal
from the elderly, poor, disabled and main street Americans I would be
wearing different shoes now -- a petty king. Hard work, honesty, loving
kindness, charity and mercy, and becoming unemployed and destitute
unable to pay your bills are all considered foolishness and high crimes
in America now. Whereas stealing and lying and cheating and being greedy
to excess and destroying the fabric of America is rewarded and
protected -- even making such people petty king and petty queens among

Since the end of 2008, when corporate America began enjoying the
resumption of growth, profits have swelled from an annualized pace of
$995 billion to the current $1.66 trillion as of the end of September
2010. Over the same period, the number of non-farm jobs counted by the
Labor Department has slipped from 13.4 million to 13 million -- there is
no recovery for the unemployed and main street. We taxpayers have
handed trillions of dollars to the same bank and insurance industry that
started our economic disaster with its reckless gambling. We bailed out
General Motors. We distributed tax cuts to businesses that were
supposed to use this lubrication to expand and hire. For our dollars, we
have been rewarded with starvation, homelessness and a plague of fear
-- a testament to post-national capitalism.

Twelve years ago, I lost the last of my family. Ten years ago, I lost
the love of my life, couldn't even visit him in the hospital because
gays have no rights. I fought through and grieved and went on as best I
could. Seven years ago, I was diagnosed with Diabetes and Stage 2 high
blood pressure with various complications including kidney problems,
mild heart failure, Diabetic Retinopathy. These conditions are
debilitating and painful. I am on over eight prescribed medications,
which is very difficult without insurance and income. But I struggled on
and my primary caregiver was very pleased with my effort overtime with
my A1C at seven. Still these physical disabilities have progressively
worsened, and I have had a harder and harder time functioning in basic
ways. All the while, I give thanks to God because I know there are many
more worse off than me -- and I tried to help by giving money to
charities and smiling at people who looked down and sharing what little I

I am college educated and worked 35 years in management, receiving
written references and praise from every boss for whom I worked. Yet,
after thousands of resumes, applications, e-mails, phone calls, and drop
ins, I've failed to get a job even at McDonalds. I've discovered there
are three strikes against me -- most 99ers will understand. Strike one
-- businesses are not hiring long-term unemployed -- in fact many job
ads now underline "the unemployed need not apply." Strike two -- I am
almost 60 years old. Employers prefer hiring younger workers who demand
less and are better pack mules. Strike three -- for every job opening
I've applied, there are over 300 applicants according to each business
who allow a follow up call. With the U3 unemployment holding steady at
9.6percent and U6 at 17 percent for the past 18 months, the chances of
me or any 99er landing a job is less than winning the Mega Million
Jackpot. On top of that, even the most conservative economists admit
unemployment will not start to fall before 2012 and most predict up to
seven years of this crap.

I believe the Congress and President have no intention of really
aiding the unemployed -- due to various political reasons and their
total removal from the suffering of most Americans, their cold-hearted,
self-serving natures. Had they really wanted to help us, they could have
used unspent stimulus monies or cut foolish costs like the failed wars
or foreign aid, and farm subsidies. The unspent stimulus money alone
cold have taken care of ALL unemployed persons for five years or until
the unemployment rate reached 7 percent if Congress and the President
really wanted to help us -- and not string us all along with a meager
safety net that fails every few months. In any case, if I were to
survive homelessness (would be like winning the mega-millions) and with
those three strikes against me, in seven more years, I'll be near 70
with the new retirement age at 70 -- now who will hire an old homeless
guy out of work for nine years with just a few years until retirement?

So, here I am. Long term unemployed, older man, with chronic health
problems, now totally broke, hungry, facing eviction. My landlady should
really be an advocate for the unemployed -- she bangs on my door
demanding I take action. A phone call and a "please" are not enough for
her -- she is angry. She is right to be angry with me, I am unemployed
-- as apparently everyone is now angry with us unemployed.

Two hundred and eleven and social services cannot help single men.
Food banks and other charities are unable to help any more folks -- they
are overwhelmed with the poor in this nation. So I have the "freedom"
to be homeless and destitute and "pursue happiness" in garbage cans and
then die -- yay for America huh? It's the end of November and cold. A
diabetic homeless older person will experience amputations in the winter
months. So I will be raiding garbage cans for food, as my body
literally falls apart, a foot here, a finger there. I have experienced
and even worked with pain from my diseases -- hardship I can face. I
just cannot muster the courage to slowly die in agony and humiliation in
the gutter.

I have no family, I have no friends. For the past two years, I've had
nobody to talk with as people who knew me react to the "unemployed"
label as if it were leprosy and contagious. I am not a bad person, in
fact people really like me. But everyone seems to be on a tight budget
these days and living in incredible fear. It is hopeless since we all
are hearing more and more that we unemployed are to blame for
unemployment, that we are just lazy, that we are no good, that we are
sinners, that we are druggies, yet we are the victims who suffer and are
punished while the robber baron banksters and tycoons become senators,
congress, presidents and petty kings. So the only option left for me is
merciful self euthanasia.

It is with a heavy heart that I have set my death in motion, but what
I am facing is not living. So off I go, I have made peace with God and
placed my burden on Jesus and He forgives me. This nation has become
evil to the core, with cold-hearted politicians and tycoons squeezing
what little Main Street Americans have left. It is not the America into
which I was born -- the land of the free and the home of the brave with
kind folks who help neighbors -- it is now land of the Tycoon-haves and
the rest of us have-nots who march into hopelessness and despair.

Every unemployed person I have met over these past two years have
been saintly. Sharing what little they have, and being charitable --
being kind and patient and supportive. Isn't it amazing that we
Americans who suffer so much, have not taken to the streets in violence,
riots or gotten out the guillotines and marched on tycoons and
Washington in revolt as would happen in most other nations? But rather
we plead with deaf politicians to please help us. We don't demand huge
sums -- just 300 bucks a week, barely enough to cover housing for most.
Most of all we say, please help us get a job, please allow us dignity.

I can't help but juxtapose our plight to the tycoons and politicians.
They are never satisfied with their enormous wealth, and always want
more millions no matter whom it hurts. They STEAL from pension funds,
banks, the people and government, and little Wall Street investors. Then
rather than face punishment, they become petty kings in this world.
They are disloyal to America, unpatriotic, and serve their own foreign
UN-American greedy causes and demand more and more and more. I feel that
this is not the nation into which I was born. I was born in America,
the land of the free and the home of the brave. America, where people
give as much as they receive. America, where all people work for the
common good, and try to leave a better and more prosperous nation for
the next generation. America, where people help their neighbors and show
charity and mercy. This new America is alien to me -- it is an America
of greed and corruption and avarice and mean spirited selfishness and
hatred of the common good -- it is an America of savage beasts roaring
and tearing at the weak, and bullying the humble and peacemakers and
poor and those without means to defend themselves. I am not welcome here
anymore. I don't belong here anymore. It's as if some evil beast
controls government, the economy, and our lives now.

I must go now, my home is someplace else. Goodbye and God bless you
all. God bless the unemployed and poor and elderly and disabled. God
bless America and the American people except the tycoons and politicians
-- may God retain the sins of tycoons and politicians and phony
preachers and send them to the Devil.


h/t Mike


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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:14 | 960434 Sockeye
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This is beyond sad. Revolution is happening, not just in Egypt.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:26 | 960487 i.knoknot
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sad indeed.

but there is no revolution. we've become the masters of insulation, so while the likes of mark die in their bedrooms, their neighbors (10-20 feet away) munch on burger-king and watch am-idol. oblivious.

while the pensions are virtually raided by seemingly decent folk, the elderly are figuring out how to prepare 50lb bags of dry-dogfood so that it's somewhat edible.

the insulation between act and result is so thick on all fronts, and the human brain is so disinterested and and/or incapable of managing what it all means... that it is and will continue. until, as egypt proved, the wheat stops.

if i don't see it, it must not be real. and they don't want me to see it. there is no revolution of consequence.

"could you pass the ketchup, please? and hand me the remote - thanks."

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:40 | 960553 jus_lite_reading
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"God bless the unemployed and poor and elderly and disabled. God bless America and the American people except the tycoons and politicians -- may God retain the sins of tycoons and politicians and phony preachers and send them to the Devil."

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:50 | 960620 Dr. No
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"You have to consider the possibility that God doesn't like you, he never wanted you."  -Tyler Durden

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:53 | 960637 Azannoth
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Did 'God' ever consider the possibility that I don't like him and or never wanted him ?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:04 | 960694 downrodeo
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Did 'God' ever consider the possibility that I don't like him and or never wanted him ?


Would you care if s/he did?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:20 | 961125 LowProfile
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YOU are God.  Wake the fuck up!

Also, I have a hard time feeling sorry for this guy. 

If he really was that desperate, all he had to do to secure food and shelter was to track down his elected representative and bitchslap him!

Three hots and a cot, bitchez!!!

And if that's "too radical" for you, just throw a fuckin' brick through a bank window!  Jesuz H Fucking Chrizt!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:34 | 961208 asdasmos
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“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"

 - Epicurus

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:52 | 961767 Oquities
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god willing, the gift of free will beats being the puppet of the omnipotent.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:11 | 961837 chopper read
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with the $trillions spent on 'bail outs' for insider cronies, we could have fed the unemployed steak and eggs every day for decades.  was it worth it?

‎...too bad this gentleman didn't take David Rockefeller with him before he felt he had to go.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:34 | 961933 Michael
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David Rockefeller confronted at Chilean Airport during vacations (ENG/SPA)

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:56 | 962192 Haywood Jablowme
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:22 | 962289 Bartanist
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And what do the elitist parasites in power care about people destroying themselves to wound a few lowly IRS agents and a bit of real estate. For it to matter to them it would have to affect their selfish *sses directly. Then they might listen.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:22 | 962428 Haywood Jablowme
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That's what guys like me are sticking around for.  So what the fuck now?


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:45 | 962547 Michael
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What do our elected public servants expect to happen to them when they manufacture utter hopelessness for such a large scale of our population?

20%+ unemployment. Families being foreclosed on by the millions. No hope of productive prosperous lives for millions of young people. 43+ million people on food stamps. Out of control inflation in the price of education, healthcare, food and energy, etc.

Bailouts and laws passed to benefit the rich wealthy elite and special interests. Putting we the people under a constant state of surveillance, getting the US into senseless wars killing and maiming many of our men on the battlefield and bankrupting our country chasing the boogieman.

Public servants refusing to discuss real issues of importance to many of us like the controlled demolition of building 7, Agenda 21, Codex Alimentarius, the police state feeling us up and irradiating us at airports, leaving the corporate controlled media in charge of the talking point memos and continually trying to socially engineer freedom out of our lives, etc.

Our elected servants have given the American people more than enough reasons to take matters into our own hands exacting our own form of justice because our government delivers none on our behalf. No banksters jailed for fraud and ruining our economy and our lives etc.

The French people had a unique way to deal with unruly public servants, guillotines!  It will come to guillotines and the killing of many more public servants if they don't get on the side of Main Street Americans real soon and respect our Constitution.

The American people need no more reasons, given to us by our elected servants, to take matters into our own hands. It is amazing we have been so restraind, giving them the benefit of the doubt for so long. No more. What is going to happen now has been 100% expected and there is nothing the control freak government can do about it.

What do they expect? When people lose everything and have nothing left to lose, they lose it!

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:43 | 962621 snowball777
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Dear God,

hope you got the letter, and...

I pray

you can make it better down here.

I don't mean a big reduction in the price of beer

but all the people that you made in your image,

see them starving on their feet

'cause they don't get enough to eat

from God

I can't believe in you

Dear God,

sorry to disturb you, but...

I feel that I should be heard

loud and clear.

We all need a big reduction

in amount of tears

and all the people that you made in your image,

see them fighting in the street

'cause they can't make opinions meet

about God,

I can't believe in you

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?

Did you make mankind after we made you?

And the devil too?

Dear God,

don't know if you noticed, but...

your name is on a lot of quotes in this book,

and us crazy humans wrote it,

you should take a look,

and all the people that you made in your image

still believing that junk is true.

Well I know it ain't,

and so do you,

Dear God,

I can't believe in

I don't believe in

I won't believe

in heaven and hell.

No saints, no sinners,

no devil as well.

No pearly gates, no thorny crown.

You're always letting us humans down.

The wars you bring,

the babes you drown.

Those lost at sea and never found,

and it's the same the whole world 'round.

The hurt I see

helps to compound

that Father, Son and Holy Ghost

is just somebody's unholy hoax,

and if you're up there

you'd perceive

that my heart's here upon my sleeve.

If there's one thing I don't believe in

It's you. Dear God!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:13 | 962070 asdasmos
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"Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence."

– Anonymous

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:56 | 962193 Hugh_Jorgan
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More regurgitation, eh? You might want to take some time off to learn something about yourself and the world. Come back when you have something of your own to say.


BTW, sorry about taking up your whole evening.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:23 | 962296 asdasmos
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"When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion"

– Robert Pirsig


I can go all day.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:15 | 962071 asdasmos
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:52 | 962179 Hugh_Jorgan
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Love that bravado-laced circular reasoning. Secular Humanism; the red Kool-Aid of philisophcal worldviews. I was on your path once, I hope you enjoy your emptiness, my friend.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:26 | 962300 asdasmos
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"If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul."

– Isaac Asimov

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:04 | 962560 Michael
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I believe the purpose of humans is to become as the creator of the universe is. To become as God is, if you will.

One caveat; Not everyone gets in the club. First you must qualify.

Note: God is not a singular entity in and of itself.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:44 | 962611 asdasmos
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One more because 'God is not a singular entity in and of itself.'


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."

– Seneca the Younger

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:07 | 962649 Hephasteus
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God is a strawman or a voodoo doll.

Yet when you shake it. It moves the ghost region.

It should act according to rules. But there are distractions and magicians with sleight of hand and ways of confusion and obfuscation in both heaven and earth.

However the days come when the crows land on the strawman's head, shit all over it and eat the corn anyway.


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:08 | 962652 Michael
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Wow is right, because you are not capable of handling the truth.

When people die they are either accepted into the house, recycled to try again, or destroyed because there is no redeeming value in them.

Has nothing to do with religion. Religion is a social construct of man to explain his soundings from ancient times tainted with false presumptions.

It has something to do with Yin and Yang, where one side has over powered the other side.

The balance will be restored.


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:27 | 962674 asdasmos
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Ok Michael, so how do you know this again?


One more for good measure.


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."

– Christopher Hitchens

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:28 | 962682 asdasmos
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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:36 | 962691 Michael
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I will leave you with this without further discussion on this issue on my part. The near ending of these videos are the most important parts.

The Calling by Maxwell Igan - Full HD Version



Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:40 | 962712 asdasmos
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Did that last one get to you?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:51 | 962722 Michael
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OK, I'll play.

Nothing gets to me.

As I was described by others, A very thick skin this one has.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 02:10 | 962726 asdasmos
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And yet, you still seem to have bypassed my original inquiry.


" how do you know this again?"


And please keep the quote below in mind.


"What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof."

– Christopher Hitchens

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 02:25 | 962765 Michael
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I know this from experiencing the intermingling of my spirit with that of the creators.

An actual event that took place in my life.

I wish everyone could have an opportunity to experience it.

The overwhelming amount of love you feel is without possible explanation.

I'm sorry if you cannot accept this and to clarify, I have no acceptance of faith, as it is without reason.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 03:01 | 962787 asdasmos
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Listen, the onus is proof is not on the atheist. I am not procliaming anything. How do you attribute those feelings to one particular belief and/or system of beliefs?


Lets use an example. Scientology (or lets say islam/judaism/christianity if you can't take that seriously). There are ardent supporters who believe they will be saved by Xenu and just say "I know this from experiencing the intermingling of my spirit with that of Xenu (god/angels/muhammed or what have you)". There is always someone who is firm believer saying that they know this for sure.


Why should I believe you and not the imams, the priests, the rabbis or the scientologists? It is all the same.


(Edit: Can't forget all the different sects and offshoots as well)

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 03:17 | 962802 Michael
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I do not prescribe to any religion of this Earth.

I must admit I was brought up Catholic. I studied all kinds of religions starting about 25 years ago when I was awakened. I'm going on 50 now.

Faith is an excuse to accept without question. It must have been invented by our overlords.

If you like to read, as I do not but whatever, a good starting point would be;

Mystery of the Ages, you can get a Free copy if you like. Really, absolutely free.

All I can really tell you is, it's a journey and it takes time. Time not being of any relevance in that vast scheme of things.





Tue, 02/15/2011 - 03:43 | 962817 asdasmos
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You are unrelenting in this bible pushing huh? I do like reading, yet I will refuse to waste my time when the book begins it's first chapter on yet another interpretation of the bible. I also hope that you do know that age is not a measure of intelligence, just in case you wanted to hint at that.


Now this is an interesting one; you don't perscribe to any religion of this earth. Then what religion do you perscribe to and where is it from?


You also say you do not like to read. May I suggest a book while we are at it. I'll assume you have not read this, it is a great one to start you off.



I think the only mystery is 'why people still believe in this shit.'

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 03:45 | 962827 Michael
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You are unrelenting in this bible pushing huh?

No. The Bible is just a reference, although a good one, if you will, the King James version only.

It is a very intricate puzzle to figure out.

Age is certainly a measure as our forefathers have included age in the Constitution for a reason.  The youth are not experienced enough. 

I prescribe to no religion period.

How do you think the Tea Parties came about without a leader?

How do you think the Egyptian Revolution came about with a leader?

The scholars are still scratching their heads on those two.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 03:52 | 962830 asdasmos
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I don't think either one of us will get anywhere on this with each other. You are clearly set in your ways.


I will leave you to read and re-read the king james bible version. Good luck on the puzzle.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 04:04 | 962837 Michael
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I will leave you with this.

The Internet is a collective mind of the masses aimed at the few that would prefer to keep us under their control.

We are better armed than they are.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

I would love to see them try to shut us down.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 05:10 | 962866 asdasmos
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Ok, but this has nothing to do with what we were arguing about.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 04:32 | 962850 RighteousRampage
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Not to be snarky, but I once felt an "overwhelming amount of love" after a few hits of MDMA. 


Beautiful and awakening as it was, I'm thinking that it might not be cause to rejoice in the Almighty.  Do you have any evidence of your intermingling with the creators or just the experience you felt and a hunch as to its origin.  


Btw "without possible explanation" is hard to swallow.  That said, as an agnostic, I believe in the limits of my own intuitive powers, so while the likelihoods are low, imo, that we are part of something larger, I will not discount the possibility entirely.



Tue, 02/15/2011 - 05:08 | 962853 Michael
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See; String Theory. NOVA had a good show on it.

I'll get you started;

PBS NOVA - The Elegant Universe Part 1 of 7

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
5,6-Methylenedioxy-2-aminoindane (MDAI) is a drug developed in the 1990s by a team led by David E. Nichols at Purdue University. It acts as a non-neurotoxic and highly selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA) in vitro and produces mild entactogen effects in humans.

The chemical structure of MDAI is indirectly derived from that of the illicit drug MDA, but the alpha-methyl group of the alkylamino amphetamine side chain has been bound back to the benzene nucleus to form an indane ring system, which changes its pharmacological properties substantially.

The family of drugs typified by MDMA produce their effects through multiple mechanisms of action in the body, and consequently produce three distinct cues which animals can be trained to respond to: a stimulant cue typified by drugs such as methamphetamine, a hallucinogen cue typified by drugs such as LSD and DOM, and an "entactogen-like" cue which is produced by drugs such as MDAI and MBDB. These drugs cause drug-appropriate responses in animals trained to recognize the effects of MDMA, but do not produce responses in animals trained selectively to respond to stimulants or hallucinogens. Because these compounds selectively release serotonin in the brain but have little effect on dopamine or noradrenaline levels, they can produce empathogenic effects but without any stimulant action, instead being somewhat sedating.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 05:35 | 962873 Michael
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Food for thought.

The Stock Market is just one object of reality sucking the the life blood out of all the other market realities surrounding it.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 06:26 | 962895 Michael
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I Just Uploaded this video. Please spread it around if you can.

Jacksonville Paint The Town Ron 2.0


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 08:06 | 962936 asdasmos
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@Hugh_Jorgan  Wait a minute, the circular reasoning is within religion.


The bible is the word of god. how can you be sure of this?

Beacause the bible says so. why believe it?

The bible is infallible. why is it infallible? ..... because the the bible is the word of god.....


Apply to all belief systems & GTFO.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:42 | 961966 ZerOhead
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Great post!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:44 | 962148 Hugh_Jorgan
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It's called "Free Will", pinhead. Without it we are just sock puppets.

If that is hard to understand, then put away the computer and pick up the remote, Jerseylicious is about to start.

PEOPLE need to stop blaming God for all of the lousy crap that PEOPLE do to other PEOPLE! Geddit'?

It's time to grow a brain, or maybe just have someone help you kick-start the one you have, you'll be much happier when once you do.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:20 | 962441 Sam Clemons
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It really comes down to personal responsibility.

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

Robert Heinlein

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 08:33 | 962946 asdasmos
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How did we sway from the argument of god to thoughts on free will?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:39 | 962481 greenbear
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Americans came to hate God, so they chose instead to trust in Human Government.  Faced with a cold, impersonal bureacracy, they blame God for the consequences of the choice they made.
and they gnawed their tongues for pain, And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

Revelation 16:10,11

King James Bible

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:52 | 961768 SamuelMaverick
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Better yet, throw a brick thru a Post Office window, sit down and wait to be arrested. You just guaranteed a First class ticket to a minimum security Federal Pen. with white collar criminals, cable tv, and three hots and a cot. 

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:10 | 961831 ChookChoker
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"Three hots and a cot, bitchez!!!"

So simple and so true. Plenty of man love for his type inside too. Also, free medical. Cant have those inmates dying from neglect, it would lead to an inquisition. That fate is for the man on the street.

How long until the starving masses of 99ers coming off benefits realise how "easy" it is to secure food and accomodation?


With prisons already overloaded, how long until another solution is required, and what will that solution be?


Anarchy looms.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:07 | 962048 silvertrain
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fema camps..

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:58 | 962202 ShankyS
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You beat me to it. Lots of them too!

Ventura - Police states and FEMA camps

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:35 | 962700 RockyRacoon
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Well, I don't know what a ChookChoker is, but at least somebody got it right that there is no apostrophe between 99 and ers.

Sheesh.  That was grating on me like, oh hell, I don't know.  My analogizer is busted.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 15:45 | 964500 Panafrican Funk...
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Inmate health care is actually pretty good, and it costs the inmate zero dollars.  This is really a solid point.  If you're facing homeless destitution or prison, you'd really be better off in prison. 

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:15 | 961101 LFMayor
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"At what point do people Azannoth realize that 'God' does not give a Fuck?"

...or something similar that you just said.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:02 | 962028 bigargon
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you'll have your wish for all etenity. the door of reconciliation is open it's your choice to walk through or stay out.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:58 | 962196 Hugh_Jorgan
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Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:16 | 962583 Terminus C
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Been dead for an eternity already... never met any God or god...

After this brief little flash of consciousness I'll be dead for another eternity.  I doubt I'll meet any God or god then either.

Religion is about social control on the temporal earth.  It has no other purpose.  You are comforted by your beliefs, I commend you for feeling comforted.  However, if you were a true believer you would not feel the need to aggressively evangelize nor would you feel threatened by those who did not hold your position.

I am sure you will find some way to condenm my thoughts and utter a curse my way (e.g. I will go to hell for my beliefs) but I find your condemnation humorous because I do not accept your premis... ergo your words will fail.


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 04:33 | 962849 i.knoknot
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heh. kind of knocks off that 'micheal' guy up above, too.

as long as they're all happy, that's great.

better if they can figure out how to be happy... leaving me the fuck alone.

bet they can't tho. bummer, eh?

friend of my cousin once gave a book on why i should believe in god... first line was "It says in the bible..."

never read the 6th word. cheers.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 08:12 | 962945 asdasmos
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:59 | 961011 Dr. No
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A Tyler Durden quote is junked.  Pretty much sums up where zerohedge site is going.  It was fun for awhile but a I know some of you quality posters are really getting tired filtering thru the crap.  signing off.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:18 | 961117 LFMayor
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see you later, masturbater :)  

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:48 | 961754 iDealMeat
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+1..  On a long enough timeline....

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:49 | 961987 Sam Clemons
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I agree. 

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:00 | 962545 mtomato2
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Buh-Bye, now.  Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:01 | 960676 Devout Republican
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Actually what the conservatives will make him do out of desperation is convert to Islam and THEN strap a bomb on and take out some non-believers.

See, this way he can get into heaven and have his way with some virgins.  (and some young boys dressed in silk wearing silver bracket's, as I hear it)

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:04 | 960695 Michael
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At least they're eying the higher value targets, ie Gabby Giffords.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:46 | 961546 Michael
Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:01 | 961024 eatthebanksters
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you're such a fuckin scewball...I'm a conservative and I have compassion for this poor guy.  If we wound down the TBTF banks tomorrow and set up a lending system to get money flowing to small businesses on Main Street, this guy would have a chance at a job and a life.  The problem is the 'smart risk takers' created a situation using everyone elses money to put themselves in a position where we're fucked if we say good bye to them.  We're fucked either way...I say execute the fucker's with prejudice and set an example for what happens to those who practice immoral behavior...let's clean the shit out of the pool  so we can all safely go swimming again.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:24 | 961142 Michael
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He should have set himself on fire in front of the Whitehouse in self immolation protest.

Buddhist Monk - Self Immolation

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:38 | 961498 let-them-eat-cake
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Tunisia started with someone doing that.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:46 | 961549 Twindrives
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I'm sure everyone would chip in for gasoline if Harry Wanger wanted to immolate himself.  

Of course being the pile of shit that he is he could spontaneously combust at any time.  

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:27 | 961690 Michael
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I'd apply some if more critical Tanker would volunteer.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:11 | 962060 akak
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Hell, if MCT would volunteer for self-immolation, I will fund the entire project myself!  But, in the end, I take solace in the fact that his integrity, and his credibility, have already gone up in flames, most likely with his very first post.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 04:17 | 962841 StychoKiller
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This too, shall pass!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:54 | 961770 adissidentishere
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:31 | 960847 TSA gropee
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At what point do people stop speaking of things they know little if anything about? With regards to suicide in the bible, there are no verses which condemn it, but there are at least 2 cases where it was allowed and where God gave strength to accomplish it. Saul's armor bearer was allowed to fall on his sword. Samson when chained to the pillars, asked God for strength to bring them down on those who were in the temple.

As for God not caring, this is where I wonder if it's intellectual dishonesty, or plain or wilfull ignorance. You decide.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:09 | 961062 Hacksaw
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I don't think it's either dishonesty or ignorance. I think it's more along these lines.

People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of good, treacherous, rash, and conceited.

They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning, but never able to acknowledge the truth, men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:39 | 961509 Nikao7
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:11 | 961075 Misstrial
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Thank you for mentioning Samson.

Judges 16:28-30

The notion that one cannot go to heaven if one commits suicide is a Catholic idea not in scripture.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:31 | 961705 pan-the-ist
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Thank you for teaching me something new.  When the Penticostals find out about this, will they begin to employ suicide bombers?  Best to keep this to yourself.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:16 | 961853 Bananamerican
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"O... that the Everlasting had not fix’d His canon ’gainst self-slaughter!"

wm. Shakespeare WAS most likely Catholic

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:59 | 962542 RichardP
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Being mentioned does not equal being condoned.  How do you get around the "thou shalt not kill" commandment?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 08:15 | 962947 pan-the-ist
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How do they get around the "thou shall not kill" commandment?  Good question.  I see many Christians fight and kill in wars, for example.  Maybe the commandment doesn't mean what you think it does...

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:35 | 961211 Sparkey
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This is a sad tale from a sad corner of a sad, and getting sadder, World.

Why can't we have places where people in this man's situation could go for help? Places that are clean and warm with a staff dedicated to helping the truly unhappy rest until resurrection, perhaps that could be their advertising slogan, "We help the sick and weary rest until resurrection", "On site Crematorium" People present themselves, have a ten minute interview and get their first injection and begin their journey to the "peace which is beyond understanding", who would pay for this? I think it would be cost effective for governments, no unemployment for single men, perhaps, but surely a voucher for this service would be a cost effective expenditure of the public's funds? The service would small and sector specific in the beginning but I can imagine a time when anyone who couldn't "Make it", on their own would be referred there.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:44 | 961738 Dugald
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"We help the sick and weary rest until resurrection", "On site Crematorium" People present themselves, have a ten minute interview and get their first injection.

There you go.....SOYLENT GREEN!!!!!



Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:21 | 961886 Bananamerican
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yup. a last meal....a last visit with the "furniture" imovie retrospective of one's life...

better yet, make it age mandatory....say, after age "30"...."Logan's Soylent Green App"

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:24 | 961895 Bananamerican
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yup. a last meal....a last visit with the "furniture" imovie retrospective of one's life...

better yet, make it age mandatory....say, after age "30"...."Logan's Soylent Green App"

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:02 | 962213 Captain Benny
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"Why can't we have places where people in this man's situation could go for help?"

Like your home?  When is the last time you invited a struggling soul over for a warm dinner?  A shower, a shave, a fresh set of clothes, a good night sleep in warmth and security?  God damn you ignorant people, to not see that these are core humanity issues and you can't just send other people and their problems away.  You help solve them!  It isn't their problem.  This poor man, America, and the world at large is OUR problem as humanity.  GO OUT OF YOUR WAY to help people.

When you go into a rough neighborhood and buy some chinese food from the mom & pop restaurant, talk to the owner.  Give them $10 if you can spare it and ask them to do this with it: "Please, I know you see people hurting and struggling every day.  Please use this $10 to help as many people as you can in whatever ways you can.  Whether its giving excess food out after you close, or just covering the nickle and dimes that people don't have to pay for their food when they can't afford the cheapest thing on the menu. Please help someone with this."

It starts with us.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:40 | 962497 stoverny
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Look I am all for personal charity, but this is a problem with the system and mindset of the US of A.  Other countries are less violent, better educated, less angry, more equal, more healthy, and take better care of their poor/elderly/sick/homeless/jobless.  Most of these coutries have the dreaded "socialst" tag in front of their democracy.

America has become an angry, mean-spirited place.  Everyone wants to keep a death grip on what they have, to hell with the society as a whole.  I've got mine, f**k you and your 99 weeks unemployment, f**k your hungry kids and and your diabetes and your dead gay f***ing lover.  That is the mindset of today's USA. 

This is what we've come to.  We've traded our souls for McMansions and SUVs with heated seats.  It's sad, really.  Nothing will change, either.  Straight down the crapper we go.  We're f**ked.



Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:36 | 960871 Hondo
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Not so, read the text!

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:37 | 960883's picture

You're either ignorant of the Bible or anti-Christ.

Christ died for our sins.  He also taught that "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men..." Mark 3:28.

So you're either saying Christ was wrong, and "this guy" is going to Hell, or you haven't read what Christ taught. 

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:25 | 961904 Sabremesh
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You don't understand history. Any decent historian will tell you that there was never any such person as "Jesus of Nazareth". Your Christ is a myth, an amalgam of older iron-age desert gods. The fictitious story of his life was written decades, even centuries after the period they supposedly describe. So stop boring us with "quotations" from someone who never existed. 


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:52 | 962180 Jerome Lester H...
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Funny that the historian Josephus recorded events on Jesus, his brother James and John The Baptist. Maybe you should study history before making baseless assumptions.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:29 | 962478 pan-the-ist
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I'm with Jerome on this one (in part).  Jesus likely existed.  He most likely wasn't any more God than you or me.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:19 | 962440 FreedomGuy
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Must be some very select historians who can prove the non-existence of an historical figure. My gut tells me its the same ones who say the holocaust never really happened and will make 9/11 an inside job and so on and so on.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 23:31 | 962479 pan-the-ist
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We CAN prove he wasn't God.  That's good enough for me.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:29 | 961921 Paul Bogdanich
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"At what point do people realize that 'God' does not give a Fuck?"


And herein lies the source of the problem.  God is immutable.  Just one of the qualifications for the job.  Above the timeline you know.  If you believe that God led the Jews out of Egypt, assisted the Saints, punished evil (the concept of perdition), directs reincarnation or any other activist belief then how can you say that God does not "care" unless one takes it upon oneself to retroactively change the nature of God?  Nevertheless in the response to the Holocaust this is what has happend.  This is where we have come.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:48 | 960608 Herd Redirectio...
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What gets lost is that we have a system with two sets of rules, one for the 'little guy' and another set of rules for the 'mega-wealthy'.  The mega-wealthy can lie, cheat, and steal, but if a little guy does any of those things, well, they owe more than just 'a cut' of the action to the mega-wealthy, they must be punished, and stopped from lying, cheating, and stealing! 

All I am asking for is the return of justice, not never-ending EI.   It is a big ask, and will require a complete overhaul of the Legal system, political system, and financial system, but they are interconnected and you can't overhaul one but leave the others untouched. 

The latest from the Capital Research Institute

What is Wealth?

Wealth is something we want, and yet, we go through most of our lives confusing currency and wealth.  The end result: the never-ending pursuit of ever-increasing digits on a computer screen.   But arguably wealth is a lot more than just money, it is anything “of great worth or quality”.  The other aspects of wealth have been massively downplayed, for most of the last century.

Real wealth is many things, but what will prove to be most valuable in the years to come?  The Capital Research Institute presents: The Top Alternative Measures of Wealth for the 21st Century

1) Skill.   Highly skilled individuals will continue to be highly valued.  Machine operators, teachers,  managers, analysts.  If you are highly skilled in only one area, you also have to be ready to be highly adaptive, in case demand for your skills wane (as law students are finding out).  Being highly specialized will always have its benefits, but it also bears repeating that it also has its negatives.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:45 | 960928 Everyman
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What you are wanting is what I want as well, but it will not come unless and until there is a revolution.  The Uberwealthy and their flaunting of the laws will not end nor will be pressed to end until there is VIOLENT oppositions.

This person that is wanting death is the crazy person I have been warning about.  The Powers That Be need to heed this very bad omen.  When a man feels as this one does, there is nothing left to lose.  Rep. Giffords shooting was a tragedy and in my mind a "wasted bullet" from a crazy man.  That same bullet directed at someone more dastardly and deserving in the Big Banks would be more logical.  Howerver in lunacy and loss there is seldom logic or rationality.


We will have a revolution soon, and it will not be "facebook".

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:26 | 961158 In Fed We Trust
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the revelution in Egypt was organized on facebook. Why wouldn't it be the same here?

In fact I think facebook will be in the revelution business going forward. Maybe even Google/


Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:41 | 962616 Bringin It
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It's easy to massage FB and this is the HomeLand.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:13 | 962069 Dr. Sandi
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"it is an America of savage beasts roaring and tearing at the weak, and bullying the humble and peacemakers and poor and those without means to defend themselves."

Damn, I wish I'd written that. This Mark guy is a fine, emotional writer. I don't believe any real person would let themselves get beaten down quite that far with the number of subsistence level food and shelter programs we sort of have. But it's a heart-wrenching read that induces feelings of empathy.

Everybody who is as broke as Mark speaks of can get the SNAP card (food stamps), so the part about Mark having no food stretches my simple, childlike credulity. But the rest is really convincing.

Mark, whoever you are: you need to be writing more of this stuff to help people understand how far the most beaten up of us have fallen from the American Dream. But do a little more research and make it bulletproof for those who believe nothing we see or hear.

I hope to hear more from you in the future, under whatever name you might feel is appropriate. But "Mark" is evocative to the carney side of my nature.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:48 | 962720 RockyRacoon
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You always wanted to be the tattooed lady?   Oh!  The snake charmer, that's it.

I'd pay a quarter to see either one.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:49 | 961759 razorthin
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credit of any kind corrupts.  it's as simple as that.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:38 | 960545 Cognitive Dissonance
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Clearly you didn't read the letter. He has tried to secure any job, including McDonalds.

Try reading before you comment. Otherwise you will be perpetually with foot in mouth.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 15:49 | 960616 midtowng
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Of course you don't buy it. It you did then you would have to change your world perspective, and that's not going to happen.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:02 | 960684 Bodhi
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:09 | 960720 Ironmaan
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For me to buy it I must change my world perspective? Thats rather stupid. Are you saying there is no possible way this letter is a hoax? Come on.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:02 | 961033 ConfederateH
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I agree Ironman!  This guy just wants more handouts and he could care less who gets robbed in order to pay for it.  What a friggin' whiney liberal.  All I want is to be free from losers like this guy.  If I am to give charity for lost causes, then please let me decide and don't steal it at the point of an IRS pistol.

Two hundred and eleven and social services cannot help single men.

Give me a fucking break.  That is 211 "services" that exist by stealing from those who do work.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:23 | 961138 In Fed We Trust
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I heard mud pies where pretty tasty, and easy to make. If you want a baked mud pie, then you would need access to a stove. Me, Iv'e takin up hunting and fishing.

An occassional browine or mushroom.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:13 | 961383 Misstrial
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Actually green grass is pretty good.

Green grass contains 23 times as much Vitamin A as carrots, 22 times as much B2 as lettuce, 9 times more thiamin than green leafy vegies, and 14 times more Vitamin C than  citrus fruits.

Also contains niacin, Vitamin E, and probably nutrients not yet uncovered. Also has minerals & enzymes.

So if you ever get snagged in a famine situation just eat the grass - just wash it of course.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:56 | 961590 Rainman
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....I better get the dachshund to use the toilet from now on.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:54 | 961769 weinerdog43
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Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:35 | 961937 Rusty Shorts
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 .... any Vitamin THC in that green grass?

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:23 | 962679 Hephasteus
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However you need a ruminating gut to live off it.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:25 | 961152 midtowng
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I'm saying that you aren't prepared to NOT blame the victim.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:09 | 961064 velobabe
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i think it has something to do with love. he lost the love of his life. i have seen in older couples that have been in love their whole life, they just miss each other. when they are really attached literally, they are so sad by not being in love with some one. i think he misses his partner. you know wanting to kill themselves cause they are in love. i don't know, i had great empathy and emotion reading his letter. his identity of himself, sorta went down hill. it is like gravity, life†

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:37 | 962340 Sad Sufi
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Good comment.  There is a lot about love to be seen in this letter, on Valentine's Day.

Life can wear us out, and life without relationship is not a human life.  He feels shunned, let down, and he knows directly that the society at large is not doing the simple act of care that might be exemplified by medical care and shelter.  We can do better than this. 

Also, I think if he took his life, this was his choice, and a loving act to end his suffering.  My heart is touched in a good way.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 06:08 | 962887 Snidley Whipsnae
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Excellent insight VB. Few have a mate that is not only their mate but their best friend as well. They are the lucky few and if their mate passes away the one that remains is emotionally cast adrift.

My mate and I have been together a very long time and have such a loving relationship that I cannot imagine a life without the one that I adore. No other could ever replace our time and experiences and closeness. Closeness does not even begin to describe our relationship. We constantly give up for the other, to the point that sometimes we simply look at one another and smile about what we are doing. No words need pass between us.

How can one live without the other after so many years have passed together. Children have been raised and they have raised their children and now grandchildren have reached the age of interest in relationships of their own.

I can understand Mark's feelings for his lost mate. It matters not what the mate's sex is for emotional ties can be between any two people.

Reading Mark's letter made me think again about how I would continue without my mate, a topic that one's mind wanders to more often as age progresses and years pass with continuing swiftness. I hope Mark finds peace in another relationship for I feel that his loss of a soul mate is at the root of his loss of love of life.

Good luck Mark

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:00 | 960669 Sophist Economicus
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I have to agree with you. I think the letter is a fake. It sounds clinical and impersonal, but we should be free not to be 'our brother's keeper'. I donate to charities, it is voluntary.

And before the junk-fest begins, I also abhor the socialism for the TBTF as well, and have been spending my resources there too

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:06 | 960706 Cognitive Dissonance
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And before the junk-fest begins, I also abhor the socialism for the TBTF as well, and have been spending my resources there too

Spending your Please explain your comment.

To support the TBTF? How does one spend their resources to defeat the TBTF?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:24 | 960803 Sophist Economicus
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I've donated to candidates across the country that have opposed the new government largess. There are Austrian sites like mises that try to spread a libertarian perspective. There are publications like city journal that takeca data oriented perspective on the social issues at hand. One can also choose to use investment houses that are not part of the TBTF to perform financial and investment transactions. Why one can even make contributions to ZH.

Also, one can attend public hearings in ones community and perform personal subversive actions against the state

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:42 | 960911 Cognitive Dissonance
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To defeat the 99er's all that is required is to turn off the tap. How does one defeat the government that is controlled by the very same people who want the tap cut off? Performing subversive actions against the state will definitely make you unemployed.

I understand what you are saying. But what you are talking about is resistance, not stopping the actions of the government and the power elite. The powerful do. The weak are done to. To assume that the weak are weak simply because they didn't try hard enough is assuming the bullying arguments and tactics of the powerful.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:35 | 961212 Sophist Economicus
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CD, I agree. I can only offer resistance. Intellectually, I cannot condone either side of the 'fleecing' argument. If mark gets his money from us via the barrel of the government's gun, I find that no less repugnant than the TBTF getting their VIG from citizens in the same way

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 20:49 | 961990 philgramm
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Therein lies the failure of Statism.  The state wields the gun in the room.  We citizens act as if we don't see the gun.  Or we try to campaign to have the gun pointed at someone else.  But when will we ask the question "why do we need the gun that the state wields".  States all across the world oppress their citizenry.  I've heard people argue "if you don't like it you can move".  I can't move.  Statism is everywhere.  I cannot be free from masters.  I can only choose my master.  Opt out.  Don't vote.  The only thing that legitimizes the state is your participation.  It exists because we won't call it what it is: pure evil.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 00:24 | 962592 hayleecomet
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"If mark gets his money from us via the barrel of the government's gun, I find that no less repugnant than the TBTF getting their VIG from citizens in the same way"

I think Mark would have been happier to have a job than to live off the barrel of the government's gun.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:05 | 960698 Slartebartfast
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I'm in my 50's and still hanging on to a job, thank God.  I can tell you from personal experience that before I turned 45 I never had any problem getting an interview and eventually a job.  I spent some time unemployed after I turned 45 and the silence was deafening.  NO ONE will hire someone over 45 in this country.  You will not even get one interview.  I was eventually given a job by a friend and that's where I work to this day.

My sister is in her late 50's and lost her job two years ago.  She hasn't been able to get a single interview - even though she worked over 30 years in her field and has a college degree.

Times have changed, "Ironman".  This country has changed completely.  Pray you don't find out for yourself. 

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:17 | 960763 Ironmaan
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I fully expect to find out. I am sure it will happen. I'm in my mid 40's and I have no illusions of being taken care of, and I also have no illusions that I will be taking care of anyone else if I can help it. Let me clarify that...I will take care of whom I choose to take care of. This 99+ weeks is a load of crap. Expecting this kind of "assistance" only weakens us, and because I don't expect it, I will be quite comfortable when I don't get it.

I see no one responded to my question as to how long this "assistance" should be. When should it end fellas? When is enough, enough? It just keeps getting longer and longer and people keep expecting more and more as though they deserve it.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:35 | 960865 Bob
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It has not gotten any longer for the past 2 years.  99 weeks has been and still is the limit.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:42 | 960914 bingaling
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The system failed this man not because they stopped his benefits but because he never had representation in gov't to begin with. I will say it again and again here. Power needs to be reduced to the lowest common denominator . Washington has been out of line with the people for a very long time .please see my post way below.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:33 | 961277 Bob
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I did see and note it at the time.  Nice thinking.  New paradigms of governance are in the wind.  The cradle of civilization is running with democracy, for chrissakes.  Time to turn it up. 

Actually, the time is truly ripe.  Watch the Arab world boil with reform just because the people were overdue for a show of dignity after Tunisia set the bar for basic self-respect.  There's a reason why we're all scratching our heads in turn and saying WTF.  We're ready for some progress as well.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:05 | 961617 bingaling
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I think for once a lot of the world is ready to move forward . The less than 1% of the world that controls it have a serious problem on their hands .

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 21:51 | 962171 Cathartes Aura
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I would agree that the majority of humans, worldwide, would like to remove the boot of governance - would that they would exit their military role-playing, which only protects 'n' serves the elites.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 12:56 | 963331 BigJim
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I see no one responded to my question as to how long this "assistance" should be. When should it end fellas?

I take your point about having to give assistance to others at the point of a gun. I don't like it either.

It seems to me that the bulk of the poverty in our society stems from the current monetary system, with the elite able to syphon off a lot (most?) of the wealth being produced via their position vis-a-vis fiat-currency-and-fractional-reserve-money-creation.

It seems to me as long as we live in a system where we are forced to give assistance to the wealthy at the point of a gun (TARP, etc, and our whole monetary system), then we will also need to give assistance to the people whose lives have been destroyed by its distortions.

Do I like it? No. Get rid of the Fed, get rid of fractional reserve lending, then we can halt benefits to guys like 'Mark' - because there will be jobs for people like him.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 16:46 | 960932 newworldorder
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Ironmaan; Why are you focusing on the 99 weeks or whatever number of weeks of assistance on gets while unemployed. That is not where the game is at.

The game is at, where the "average" 50+ years old unemployed person has a very small to no chance of securing employment, unless a friend will give him a job.

The game is at where US college educated people have to compete with H1b visa holders.

The game is at where there are hundreds if not thousands of applicants that apply for every open posting at most companies and are "weeded out" by selection software.

The game is at that most fortune 500 companies hire mostly those that are currently employed elsewhere and will not consider those currently unemployed.

Do any of you know what goes on in the Hiring or Staffing Departments of most companies? Before you blame recruiters however, please understand that recruiters only try to give hiring managers what they want. If they don't then the recruiters are themselves out of a job.

Do most of you really understand that this is not how it was, even 10 years ago? What is happening today is not "normal" nor is it in keeping with American labor relations during the preceeding 50 years. Something is terribly wrong while we argue amongst ourselves over trivial political issues.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:06 | 961052 Ironmaan
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I agree that it is only part of the game, but it is a big part. Entitlements are killing our economy and it exacerbates may of the problems that you listed. The CBO just announced that Obamacare (an entitlement program) will cause 800,000 jobs to be lost. Why...because people will stop working because they no longer need to work to maintain their healthcare. So...the remaining workers will be the ones to pay.

More and more people are getting into the wagon and less and less people are pulling the wagon. When it finally stops you'll know why.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:53 | 961307 karzai_luver
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You have it ass backwards in the VAST majority of cases.


Your wagon is shrinking and the peeps are being tossed out of it so that the ones still in it can have a ride.


I have never not had a job/income for the last 40 YEARS  and will never need to work BUT I can tell you that the lay of the land has changed.


Your wagon is shrinking.


Also, any person with the health concerns in that letter is NOT getting hired if the company is providing any portion of a health plan.


Once you get to that end , if the letter is true, you would have been bleed like a pig into poverty.


Essentially you are done for in the emplyment market..






Tue, 02/15/2011 - 02:00 | 962732 RockyRacoon
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That is one of the most cliché-ridden comments I've seen so far.

Spitting up the kool-aid must be embarrassing at some point.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:29 | 961179 SmalleyD
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Are the 99'ers prohibited from starting their own businesses?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 22:10 | 961578 tmosley
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In the official economy?  No.

Unofficial is the way to go.

Tue, 02/15/2011 - 01:57 | 962729 RockyRacoon
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...trivial political issues.

But, you repeat yourself.  There is another type of political issue?

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:06 | 961050 pvzh
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I see no one responded to my question as to how long this "assistance" should be. When should it end fellas?

maybe until "the problem" is "fixed", i.e. it is possible to find some kind of job (to pay for basic necessities). Otherwise, you need to openly say we need to euthanize the unemployed since with that economic set-up 90% of them will not find a job ever again.

The tragedy in this that soon society physically will not have resources (too much printing to fund bail-outs, wars, etc.) to save large number of people from starvation and that "was the plan" all along.

On the side note, in this Depression unlike in the 1930s people have a strong resentment of the unemployed. Back then, there was no open discourse along the lines "f**k them".

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 17:12 | 961083 Ironmaan
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Yea, your right. There is absolutely nothing he could do. There is no job out there for him. Its utterly hopeless. No one, I repeat no one is hiring. The economy is at a complete standstill. ...Please.

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:46 | 961745 pvzh
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My main point is not that this or that particular person could do better... My point is, when for any opening is 300+ application and there are no land to squatter, most of unemployed people gonna die. They have only two realistic options (i) to die quietly or (ii) to die violently (in revolt or criminal activity).

Mon, 02/14/2011 - 18:29 | 961430 Misstrial
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Au contraire, there was a lot of resentment against "Okies" and other unemployed during the 1930's.

As a matter of fact, in 1936 the police chief of the city of L.A. went so far as to close the CA border at Needles and Blythe in addition to the Oregon border in order to keep out the unemployed from elsewhere.

Suggest you read the Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck.


Mon, 02/14/2011 - 19:39 | 961726 pvzh
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Suggest you read the Grapes of Wrath by Steinbeck

I will take your word for it. I did not do research on this subject just reproduced some "mainstream" opinion, but that point is rather irrelevant. I know what is comming since I already experienced hyperinflationary depression (was 15 when USSR collapsed).

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