Dismal $16 Billion 30 Year Auction Closes At 4.720%, Record Direct Take Down Of 24.07%

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Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:15 | 227021 jmc8888
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Santelli gave it an F FWIW

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:33 | 227075 Crab Cake
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"worrying about USTs---that is a worry Bernie boy does not want."

Yet it is a worry that Bernie himself insured.


We could have firewalled the government, enforced justice and transparency, and eaten the depression twice in the last decade.  Those opportunities are now gone.

Now. Now it's only a matter of time.  The sovereigns took the poison pill.  Depression hurts everywhere. 

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:51 | 227120 Bam_Man
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I am buying zero coupon Treasuries hand-over-fist right now. YTM right now on the 8/15/2029's is almost 4.90%. Buying at a 62% discount means that once deflation finally kicks in, the capital gains will be enormous.


Thu, 02/11/2010 - 17:38 | 227411 Anonymous
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buying what are tantamount to worthless paper instruments, hands over fist huh? hmm, is this wise?

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 19:12 | 227534 johngaltfla
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Unless of course BB announces that due to the CRE issues and further deterioration in the residential markets he announces another $1-1.5 Trillion in QE....

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 20:31 | 227691 FLETCH
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Be careful with your base assumptions here

we have not seen a situation in the last 50+years where we have deflation at the same time that a "creditworthiness" risk premium is forced onto UST's.  this is beyond the worldview of most Keynesians, but it is indeed a possible outcome.  The UST could be victim to this "risk premium" forced upon it by the market, out of the control of the Fed, due to an enormous funding gap created by the mismanagement of the government.  it is well known that total world savings +money printing (w/o hyperinflation) cannot meet the total sovereign debt needs of the next years.  this is also why we will have QE II soon, as the fed faces up to the reality that the bond auctions will start to become weaker and weaker

don't make the mistake of thinking that deflation means low rates.  to understand more, read some niall ferguson or this site.

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 04:18 | 228158 chindit13
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While I am in agreement that we can easily have deflation AND high nominal and real interest rates, the situation may be a long time in developing.  Japan is the example:  deflation, horrible deficits, near permanently low rates and a tumbling domestic savings rate....yet JGB's refuse to break and Japan's yield curve is much flatter than the US curve.

My favorite long term trade remains a combo of short JGB's/short yen.  It seems eventually one (or both) has to give.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:53 | 227123 Oso
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deflationist in me is saying the exact same thing.  I bought a little more, i just dont see yields going up very far.  We are still above my cost, but i have to say, i am watching this VERY closely.


money in risk just doesnt make any sense, despite the auction results.  there is no real inflation anywhere, i cant even count the number of instances where I see prices being cut.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:58 | 227133 Daedal
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The question is, though, what will happen if there's a funding gap? Deflation argument makes sense, but if Government has obsene spending obligations, where is that money coming from?

Perhaps ZH should revisit this post:


Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:20 | 227035 Don Smith
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OK, OK, who are the directs (isn't that ordinary people bidding directly to treasury?) and why does it smell bad that the direct bid is high?  Does that just mean there are fewer foreign bidders and primary dealers buying them?

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:44 | 227099 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Direct bidding, or Treasurys bought directly through the government, was 24 percent, considered a high number and indicative of weak foreign demand when compared to the indirect bid done through dealers of 29 percent."

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:22 | 227037 IveBeenHad
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very interesting how quickly the indirects are fleeing the long end. was it really all china occupying that space and if so where are they going w/ the dollars ? 

is it possible that china is bidding directly now thru some onshore entity like the NYFED? 



Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:22 | 227041 Cognitive Dissonance
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<sarcasm on>

Not to worry. I can ignore bad news longer than you can stay solvent.

<sarcasm off>

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:00 | 227137 mikla
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+1  LOL!

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:24 | 227046 Fidel Sarcastro
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WTF - even the 30-YR bond futures are 12 ticks off the low!!

You'd think it would be down -2.00 or more.


Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:24 | 227049 buzzsaw99
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algos do what they want, mmm hmm.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:25 | 227051 Alitak
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Please correct me if I am completly wrong, but can the Directs' not be Ben himself?

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:31 | 227066 Fidel Sarcastro
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imho, yes indeed it is Zimbabwe Ben

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:25 | 227053 wprosser
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same as yesterday.... hmm... dollar rally...

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:26 | 227056 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:36 | 227081 SayTabserb
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Paul Craig Roberts, who admittedly gets worked up into a lather pretty easily, surmises that our 3 years of deficits, last year and these next two, require $4.3 tril of bond sales to cover.  He speculates there isn't enough excess trade surplus in the known world to cover that kind of debt.  So there's really no choice but to inflate our way out, or to default.Methinks this "Direct" takedown is more trickery, such as the Fed using proxies that it is emailing digital money to.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:46 | 227107 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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PCR saw the wrapping of the carry trade from 50 miles out. 

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:37 | 227083 girl money
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Direct bidder has to be a plug, bet it's not even a purchase... it's just Ben putting the storebought cookies back in the box to try again at next week's bake sale.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:39 | 227087 Anonymous
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Thu, 02/11/2010 - 19:35 | 227584 Anonymous
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He had to be from Berkeley - home of some of the worst ideas on the planet and the Capital of the Great State of Fruits and Nuts. I know - I live there.....

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 05:30 | 228174 jeff montanye
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and current home of john yoo

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:40 | 227091 carbonmutant
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China has Obama by the short hairs...

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:42 | 227095 SayTabserb
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+1.  We are well and truly hosed.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:42 | 227094 turbo.tim (not verified)
Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:47 | 227108 Anonymous
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I've been using 2010 strength in USTreasuries to build more tiers, to my short Gov Bond position. Here is my view on which govt debt is safe: none of it. I couldn't possibly be persuaded that UK debt is worse than US debt, or Grecian debt is worse than German debt. It's all bad. All of it.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:47 | 227110 besodemuerte
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Fuck what I wouldn't give for someone to break this down Cliff Notes style.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 16:14 | 227276 A tumor named Marla
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How much gold you got?

I don't have a clue about any of this either; just thought it was a good joke for this crowd.....

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 01:04 | 228051 Anonymous
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When this blows, one's gold is still gold and worth something.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 18:20 | 227448 defender
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I don't do anything in finance so take this with a grain of salt

Yields 4.720% vs. Exp. 4.687% - This is bad.  The treasuries are usually a very flat market with slow moves.  .033% is actually a significant move.

Bid To Cover 2.36 vs. Avg. 2.54 (Prev. 2.68) - The way that the system is set up, any time that the bid to cover is less than 2 is a failed auction.  We are slowly approaching that point.

Indirects 28.5% vs. Avg. 41.07% (Prev. 40.77%) - this is really bad.  Generally this represents foreign bids, and it shows that there aren't any.

Indirect Bid To Cover: 1.44 - this should mean that foreigners bid 1.44 times the amount offered.  This doesn't match the other percentages given though.  With a 2.36 bid to cover, the indirects would have been 61% of the total bids

Allotted at high 61.57% - There is a spread that that is covered on each auction.  If you look at the picture it also shows the low and average price.  Most auctions this number is significantly lower (half).  What really makes this number scary is that SOMA (federal purchases) and direct bids accounted for 35% of the auction.  This means that only ~3% of regular bids were below high (4.720%).  I am amazed that the results weren't worse.

Direct Bidder Take Down: 24.07% - Direct bidders took home 24% of the treasuries auctioned.  This is the Primery Dealers network.

Indirect Bidder Take Down: 28.53% - This is the Achilles heal of the treasuries auctions.  We need to see this number increase (more foreigners bidding) if we are going to have a prayer of funding our rising deficit this year.  Instead it is falling off of a cliff.

Hope this helped.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 23:12 | 227930 Anonymous
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Very helpful. Yes.

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 05:48 | 228178 jeff montanye
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thank you.  why is a bid to cover of less than 2 a failed auction?  how should one interpret the direct bidder take down?  how are the indicated inconsistencies in the indirect (and this means foreign?) data interpreted/reconciled?  thank you again.

Sun, 02/14/2010 - 17:20 | 230865 defender
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Sorry that this took me so long to get back to. 

"why is a bid to cover of less than 2 a failed auction?" - Primary Dealers are required to submit enough bids to cover the entire auction.  After this, they bid again for how ever much they actually want.  This means that you have to subtract 1 from the bid to cover ratio in order to find actual demand.

"how should one interpret the direct bidder take down?" - No one knows.  These are bids that someone ("we can not release names blah blah blah") has given directly to the treasury.  The question becomes who has the clout to deal directly with the treasury as a governmental institution.

"how are the indicated inconsistencies in the indirect (and this means foreign?) data interpreted/reconciled?" - sorry, I just don't know the answer to this.  But yes these would be foriegn or very powerful institutions/people.  Primary dealers are listed seperately (bottom of the graphic in the article).

Fri, 02/12/2010 - 05:36 | 228175 jeff montanye
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you and me both.  i have an mba, a cfa and traded treasuries as a trust company portfolio manager for fourteen years and i do not understand the lingo of the treasury auctions.  i feel inadequate but that does not help much.  this is clearly important stuff.  can we please have a tutorial t.d.?

Sun, 02/14/2010 - 22:23 | 231101 loki
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Please??  I agree!  I feel sorely lacking in my understanding of treasuries and the auctions...  and I'm nowhere near in the financial field! 


Please???  Please??   I'll even donate *more* to help pay for this education

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:48 | 227113 Anonymous
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Their takedown of the middle class/retiree is almost complete.

Mon, 02/15/2010 - 11:38 | 231384 janchup
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The takedown of the middle-class is essential to the establishment of a strong centralized state.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 14:55 | 227124 Anonymous
Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:06 | 227147 Instant Karma
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I have a guess. Too much supply. QE 2 has set sail?

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:08 | 227151 docj
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DXY dropping like a stone - AU/AG up vertical - since noon.

Yeah, I suppose that all makes sense.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:10 | 227153 turbo.tim (not verified)
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yes, this crisis will get much worse. march lows to be rboken. currently reading: http://www.iamned.com

Sooo buying all dips may not work afterall

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:12 | 227161 Anonymous
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Not surprising the stock market is rallying. It is now THE flight to "quality". Actually think we might get a pretty sustainable run right here in equities.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:20 | 227172 carbonmutant
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 No QE2 without buyers.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:31 | 227202 Anonymous
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C'mon - fresh buyers "minted" daily...

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:22 | 227180 john_connor
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For those of us on Bear Mountain that just survived the 2nd feeble Bull attack this week, take heart, it is almost time to feed.

Thu, 02/11/2010 - 15:39 | 227220 besodemuerte
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What can you do assure me of this if the dollar gets hit hard on a Greece IMF bailout, and our equities inflate to go step in step?

The dollar and the S&P were perfectly correlated for the last 6 months, what makes you think this won't continue?

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