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Dispersants Can Make Chemicals from Oil Airborne ... Exposing Coastal Residents to Toxins

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Thu, 09/09/2010 - 07:43 | 571360 blindman
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political discussion.  (?) .



The Gary Null Show - 09/08/10


minute 11.  interview robert sheer. "the american stick up"

Thu, 09/09/2010 - 07:21 | 571339 gasmiinder
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All vetted, approved and covered up by your fine progressive government.  Give them control over all aspects of your life.  Not to worry, you can depend on them to do the right thing.  They'll TAKE CARE of you.  They're sticking it to those powerful corporations right?  It's a wonderful thing to live in a country where the media shills for the gov't because "their" party is in power.  Fascism (National Socialist Workers Party) is alive and well and half the populations thinks it's a fantastic development - "give us more" they say...........................

Thu, 09/09/2010 - 00:10 | 571043 palmereldritch
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One can only imagine the same malignant Malthusian maggots at BP who can launder toxic behaviour with toxic chemicals and the whole while wrap themselves in the responsible cloak of green stewardship as they engineer an atavistic carbon tax to limit population growth and monopolize the remainder of the globe's resources joyfully embracing such destruction in their heart with a classic soundtrack re-make for the atrocity.

No Wagner this time, just a little Singeing In the Rain...

but the question remains, whom to deploy as Gene Kelly in the production...

Augie or snakehead?....

Ah...Hell, we'll cast them both for the first scene


Wed, 09/08/2010 - 23:37 | 570990 web bot
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There is a reason we are told not to drink urine.

I wonder if the same reason applies to Corexit?

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 23:42 | 571000 Hang The Fed
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Truth be told, you're probably better off with a tall glass of piss than a shot of Corexit.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 23:33 | 570985 web bot
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Who lives in a pineapple under the sea.. Sponge Bob Square Pants

Who washed up on the shore because of BP... Sponge Bob Square Pants




Wed, 09/08/2010 - 22:29 | 570917 blindman
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fundamentalists be damned, the truth remains. 

or ...  just because crazy people speak the truth does

not make the truth less relevant.  ouch.

mouths of babes and all that / . :; - ( what not ----_) ..>>


"Yes, as every one knows, meditation and water are wedded for ever.

Why did the old Persians hold the sea holy? Why did the Greeks give it a separate deity, and own brother of Jove? Surely all this is not without meaning. And still deeper the meaning of that story of Narcissus, who because he could not grasp the tormenting, mild image he saw in the fountain, plunged into it and was drowned. But that same image, we ourselves see in all rivers and oceans. It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this is the key to it all.

Methinks that what they call my shadow here on earth is my true substance. Methinks that in looking at things spiritual, we are too much like oysters observing the sun through the water, and thinking that thick water the thinnest of air.


O Nature, and O soul of man! how far beyond all utterance are your linked analogies; not the smallest atom stirs or lives on matter, but has its cunning duplicate in mind."


herman melville.  " moby dick ".




Wed, 09/08/2010 - 22:19 | 570889 tamboo
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just another well poisoned with black plague by the usual suspects, move along please.

Walking dead: Ongoing BP Gulf disaster may be killing millions


after the famine they'll move in for the kill as always.






Wed, 09/08/2010 - 21:23 | 570843 snakehead
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F'ing Taliban junkers. Heretic! Kill!  Then jo in your mouth and post the results.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 19:31 | 570701 Payne
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I have a degree in Molecular Biology from the University of California and short hair.  The guy says all the right things in the video.  Would might put forward his theory and look for proof.  Except BP says its all okay no need to look.  RIGHT.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 20:23 | 570771 Cistercian
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I think you are on to something there...obviously, if BP says it, it is true!And BP should be trusted to watch out for the interests of the poor and afflicted in the Gulf.Why the charter of the company states that the poor and powerless come first, and unholy extortionate profits be damned!


 Here is a simple rule: Invert BP's statements to arrive at a semblance of the truth.

 BP is Evil...strictly and formally speaking.And every other way for that matter.

   And the only thing worse than BP are the degenerate scumbags who shill for them online, they are truly reprehensible bags of excrement who dwell in the lowest circles of Hell.



Wed, 09/08/2010 - 22:01 | 570862 snakehead
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Here is a simple rule: Invert BP's statements to arrive at a semblance of the truth.


Brilliant analysis, really. Oh yeah.  That's brilliant.  Why analyze anything when there's a simple rule.  See you around next Ramadan, and DEATH TO THE INFIDELS!

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 19:15 | 570677 snakehead
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GW, re: the "black gooey stuff coming ashore", 

LSU's WAVCIS director says oil remains below surface, will come ashore in pulses. He ain't believin' the 75% gone crap.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 19:01 | 570657 taraxias
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Thanks GW

Just seeing the BP payroll guys back posting again (Augustus, snakehead) leads me to believe that not all's well in paradise

Stay on top of this GW

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 19:17 | 570673 snakehead
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If I worked for BP I wouldn't be killing time here. Bastards haven't even sent me a gas card.

I'm not as ugly as you. Why don't you Photochop that thing.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 18:29 | 570602 ArgentDawn
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I am Jack's failing liver...

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 20:13 | 570757 Cistercian
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Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:52 | 570428 snakehead
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The only clear sample of Corexit that's been found within the last few weeks came from Horn Island, which is obviously offshore and is where they sprayed it.  The rest of the reports have identified compounds that are in Corexit and hundreds of other commonly used products and have focused on 2-B which is in stuff that's under your sink.  Unfortunately that's not proof of Corexit.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 17:01 | 570466 George Washington
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And Corexit is apparently still - to this day - being sprayed in the Gulf. See this, this, this, this and this.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 18:15 | 570576 Hook Line and S...
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I did a bit of work at the source, and didn't ever see a C130 flying at that altitude (not to say that they weren't). I did, however, take record of AF Jets at higher altitudes releasing aerosols at approx 10k+ ft. Considered that it might be silver particulates (I believe Boeing has the patent), but then again, why would you want to reflect shortwave UV away from surface oil... it defeats the purpose of degradation.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 17:08 | 570477 snakehead
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It's at the level of stories being told, GW. Nobody's come forward with samples, video proof and witnesses that all fit together.  If it is still being used, someone will eventually blow the whistle and have it clearly documented. But I will double-damn guarantee that people are using 2-B in and around the Gulf every single day even if they don't know it: Windex, Simple Green, etc.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 17:22 | 570510 DaveyJones
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the Windex defense would work if BP was squeaky clean

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 19:27 | 570695 snakehead
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BP execs chase their 100 yr old single malt whiskies with shots of Corexit.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:16 | 570250 DaveyJones
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snakehead, I know it seems bizzare, but sometimes, multinational  corporations who size dwarf most third world countries have a greater motivation and greater ability than one hippy dippy wimpy independent scientist to influence the game. It's not like they start wars or anything. 

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 15:49 | 570213 Hang The Fed
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Seriously, what purpose other than hiding the oil could there be in BP's use of Corexit?  If the oil sinks, then it's certainly not being photodegraded any faster and it's damn sure not being skimmed any more efficiently, so...

In the end, it's about their image and their bottom line.  Out of sight, out of mind.  Small wonder that their debt rating went up three ticks today.  Fucking scumbags, the lot of them.  Additionally, so much for our government obeying their mandate to serve and defend the people.  They, too, are just one big freewheeling crowd of war profiteers and PR puppets.

Keep it up, George.  We can hardly rely on MSM or government press conferences to hear anything remotely true about what's going on down there.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:17 | 570307 Augustus
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The purpose had nothing to do with hiding the oil.  It was to disperse it so that the bugs could eat it faster before it comes ashore.  Some of the heavy components will be dropped out and on the bottom.  Those will be in the sediment along with whatever else comes into the GoM from all over the midwest.  Six eyed flounder will be very unlikely as a result of the oil addition.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:42 | 570402 Hang The Fed
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1. Dispersing the oil may allow populations of microbes to attack it more readily, but that largely depends on the population density of the microbes in that area.  Essentially, you're selling the ability to skim the stuff AND certainly sending it deeper via dispersion, where the microbes become far less effective.  Further, the dispersants themselves are toxic, so...you're proposing that it's a far better idea to take the cheap way out instead of the cosmetically uglier yet ultimately more effective way.

2. BP has done little since the start of the whole mess to communicate anything in the way of responsibility or transparency, beyond the claims and statements of a rotating cast of PR heads.  Why would there be a consistent need for subpoenas, lawsuits, etc., to force them to release information if they have nothing to hide?

I am not Dr. Manhattan, but I'm also fairly confident in my ability to determine when someone is serving me up a nice steaming pile of shit-on-a-shingle, and BP and the government have consistently chosen to act in a manner that invites suspicion time after time.  Furthermore, the idea of those "heavy components" being relegated to the sediment does nothing to reassure me.  Such a thing is only in-line with the great trend of trying to kick the can down the road until anyone who would bother to complain is either dead or distracted.


Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:40 | 570387 DaveyJones
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I think their criminal record demonstrates their motivation is purely safety not shareholders


"Corexit 9500 is a solvent originally developed by Exxon and now manufactured by the Nalco of Naperville, Illinois. Corexit is is four times more toxic than oil (oil is toxic at 11 ppm (parts per million), Corexit 9500 at only 2.61ppm).

In a report written by Anita George-Ares and James R. Clark for Exxon Biomedical Sciences, Inc. titled "Acute Aquatic Toxicity of Three Corexit Products: An Overview" Corexit 9500 was found to be one of the most toxic dispersal agents ever developed.

According to the Clark and George-Ares report, Corexit mixed with the higher gulf coast water temperatures becomes even more toxic. The UK's Marine Management Organization has banned Corexit so if there was a spill in the UK's North Sea, BP is banned from using Corexit."



"Now the EPA has approved Corexit 9500 and Corexit(R) EC9527A for use in the spill, according to ProPublica. The big problem: Nobody really knows what's inside Corexit.

Trade secrets keep the exact ingredients from being revealed, and safety sheets show that Corexit contains compounds that can cause vomiting, reproductive problems, and headaches at high doses. No toxicity studies have been performed on the compounds, but an environmental group called Protect the Ocean claims that Corexit is four times as toxic as the oil. And an earlier form of Corexit used in the Exxon Valdez cleanup reportedly caused workers to develop nervous system, blood, and respiratory disorders."


Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:47 | 570413 snakehead
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NIH just announced a $20M study of health effects on cleanup workers a couple days ago.  Exxon had some data from the Valdez spill but never released it.

Nalco did release the ingredients list - it's in the docs from Congressional hearings, I think. The only mystery had been in one compound used that they originally listed as "proprietary".

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:26 | 570340 Cognitive Dissonance
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You should write for Marty Python or The Onion. Seriously, you're that good.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:44 | 570406 Hang The Fed
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Except that he's not very funny.  You have to be cognizent of the fact that you're proffering bullshit to touch the funny bone.  This is just plain sad.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 21:49 | 570867 blindman
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he he,  he

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 15:17 | 570131 willien1derland
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GW - Great post - It is absolutely amazing that the major media outlets are no longer reporting on this issue - keep up the great work - Pulitzer inbound!

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:35 | 570016 snakehead
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Re: Naman, the guy was handed a sample (more than once) that he didn't collect, found a commonly used chemical (2-B) - I gave you a link to the Wikipedia article - and has done nothing to straighten out the claims that he found Corexit in this or that. Maybe it's not his fault that hysterics and pitchmen have jumped to unwarranted conclusions but he's been letting it ride.


Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:21 | 569974 George Washington
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Corexit is to the Gulf as high frequency trading is to the stock market ... or something like that.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 18:24 | 570567 snakehead
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Corexit also turns fish into gold.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:43 | 570405 DaveyJones
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high frequency is an excellent analogy - exponentially increase the risk through a handfull of players literally controlling the game on a dishonest playing board

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:40 | 570392 knukles
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As God's work is to Goldman Sachs
As honesty, truth and striaght fact are to the gubamint
As prudent monetary policy is to the Federal Reserve
As... oh what's the use anyhow........

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:21 | 569964 snakehead
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Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:12 | 569927 snakehead
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The main video is from 6 weeks ago, Naman's been discredited, and the white "powder" in the third link is from bacterial breakdown.  Corexit isn't a powder.

Good luck, GW.



Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:14 | 569939 George Washington
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Sure, and the black gooey stuff washing ashore is  seaweed

and seafloor muck...


Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:22 | 569973 snakehead
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That would be weathered oil.  The stuff that didn't get dispersed. There's still quite a bit down there.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:31 | 569992 George Washington
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BTW, who - besides you and BP - say that Naman has been discredited, and based on what facts?

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 15:47 | 570199 Don Smith
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Is it just ridiculously shallow of me NOT to believe anything scientific that comes from a hippie? 

I'm as incensed as the next guy about the BP spill and (what I believe to be a) coverup, but I saw this video a while back and thought, my god, if this is the only guy they can have explain what's going on, all our Gulf are BPs.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:23 | 570332 Cognitive Dissonance
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The use of the term "hippie" was the shallow indicator.

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 18:56 | 570648 taraxias
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Well said, there's ALWAYS a tell, isn't there?

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 22:13 | 570895 VWbug
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well now that explains a LOT

little too much acid huh boys?

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 14:48 | 570068 snakehead
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George, I would bet a lot that Bob Naman isn't on BP's radar and never has been.  Dump some Simple Green and water into a jar, say it was in your pool, take it in for analysis, he finds 2-B.  That's enough to pump the Corexit poisoning everybody crap, apparently.  Funny it was "found" in only one pool, huh?

Wed, 09/08/2010 - 16:12 | 570289 Augustus
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That pool was the only one involved in the water spout touchdown and fluid exchange.

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