Do You See What Happens, Larry, When Government Motors Stuff Channels?

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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:03 | 1239883 plocequ1
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Is that you Larry? Is this me?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:03 | 1239884 cossack55
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Motorized Shit Bitchezzzz!!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:03 | 1239885 EscapeKey
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Ooh, look at those horrible deflationary pressures ahead; as prices are slashed, "money will disappear from the economy", and the Fed will clearly need to print another $5tn.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:01 | 1239887 drink or die
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They can use all that excess production capacity to make tanks when WW3 starts.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:19 | 1239968 cossack55
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Wow. So if GM made 10,000 Main Battle Tanks, the US would need about 1.7 million mechanics for the tanks whick would drop the unemployment number and Obummer would get re-elected. What a plan.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:24 | 1240006 Long-John-Silver
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Where are they going to get all those Mechanics, Machinists, and Welders? Please remember that all our children go to university where they are indoctrinated and told they are too good for manual labour.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:33 | 1240048 Almost Solvent
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Forget the kids today - there are enough unemployed over 50 to put to work building tanks and guns and other deadly weapons.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:27 | 1240007 LFMayor
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The headlight division could start cranking out grease guns like back in the day.

Or they could start producing bolt on kits for bicycles, so you can have some cargo capacity when the oil gives out.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:02 | 1239892 NotAllowed
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I own a chevy 2500 with a 6.0 litre.  Awesome truck but terrible fuel mileage.  Cant wait till they make a fuel efficient full size truck capable of towing something decent.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:08 | 1239920 traderjoe
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That's NotAllowed. 

No, sort of seriously, when do you think that will happen?

Only tangentially, did you see the documentary on why/how they killed the electric car? In particular the part where the GM mechanic said they would never need much maintenance at all (vastly, vastly fewer wear and tear and/or oily parts). What do you think is the most profitable part of a dealership. Did you say parts and service?! We have a winner! 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:11 | 1241501 New_Meat
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"...why/how they killed the electric car?..."

Was that the coal-fired car?  or the nuclear car?  or the $41k car with the $9k subsidy that only Immelt can afford?  Thermo and engineering economy are so  '80s.

- Ned

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 02:05 | 1242134 traderjoe
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"while the auto companies feared short term costs for EV development and long term revenue loss because EVs require little maintenance and no tuneups."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:14 | 1239947 LFMayor
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too bad there's this shit called physics that's in their way. 

No replacement for displacement.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:33 | 1240051 Long-John-Silver
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The law of thermodynamics can not be wished or legislated. It is what it is and in every case, you lose.

Gasoline engines need a 14 to 1 air-fuel ratio. Higher or lower ratios reduces power and efficiency. Modern fuel injection systems have maximized efficiency and so the only other option to improve fuel mileage is to make the vehicle lighter. This never works with trucks.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:07 | 1240257 Sancho Ponzi
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Uh, direct injection improves volumetric efficiency by allowing for higher compression ratios, and turbocharged vehicles typically obtain better than 100% volumetric effiency.

But those technologies require vision, money, and R&D. Sorry, GM.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:26 | 1240352 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Or operate on the lean side of stoicheometric. 

When coasting, my TDI ECU reports 0.0 ml of fuel per stroke is used.

Diesel bitches!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:11 | 1241008 ICTruth
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Oh yea! I drive a 1996 tdi wagon. 53mpg


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:24 | 1241096 Antarctico
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Hybrid technology would be a good choice for a full sized truck.  Just think of all the kinetic energy that gets blasted out as heat every time you hit the brakes, but instead of being wasted as heat, it gets turned into electricity and that electricity gets stored for getting your big iron back up to speed.  GM's recent bullshit weak hybrid truck does not count as it was better at being an elaborate marketing gimmick than an efficient energy reclamation system.  On the other hand, Toyota's hybrid technology is both efficient and effective -- GM should license it like Ford already has.  One other nice thing about a full sized hybrid truck, outside of the much improved gas mileage, is electric motors have maximum torque at zero RPM, and that makes pulling away from a light with a big, honking trailer so much easier.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:04 | 1239896 Nolsgrad
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" if sales were to maintain course this year — that each dealership will only sell, on average, 84 vehicles in 2011. But that's actually good news. Because last year the average was 64 vehicles per dealership."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:00 | 1240944 NotApplicable
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Wow, 5 per month last year, but up to 7 this year.

Break out the champagne!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:05 | 1239904 Yen Cross
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I saw the 9m figure. In 08 the banks were reckless (pun intended) 15-16 globally was the idea in 08. Knock the cost and some natural disasters(and dysfunctional banking) into the figures and the numbers, and we see 11.5. Not to mention the Junk in china, and That offsets Korea.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:06 | 1239910 oogs66
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111 days of inventory of pick-up trucks...hmmmm

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:09 | 1239925 SheepDog-One
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Yea, and there are lines out the door of people jumping all over a new full size dually truck so 111 days is rock solid figure! Just like housing inventory supply numbers, housing sitting empty for 3 years are getting jumped on like free hookers today!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:59 | 1241459 Thorny Xi
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Yeah, what's up with that?  I've thought it was just me, and the few places I was tracking on Zillow - places that have been listed for over 500 days - poof - bought up this past month.  Am I missing the free money giveaway?


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:07 | 1239927 traderjoe
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With skyrocketing gas prices into the summer and then the '12's coming out. 

Ouch, that's going to hurt.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:05 | 1239915 TheGreatPonzi
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Am I the only one amazed that Americans, for the most part, don't care about the fact their country has adopted central planning? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:09 | 1239931 SheepDog-One
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I dont know if its that they 'dont care'...just that the vast majority americans are too damn stupid to have any idea whats really going on and how horrible it always ends up being. Theyre jamming the cars with groceries bought on food stamps for now and enjoying the big screen while stuffing their faces, we'll see how happy they are when its all gone soon.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:19 | 1239979 cossack55
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I am getting very, very impatient. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:21 | 1239994 LFMayor
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Being fatalistic here, but exactly what the hell is a person supposed to do about it?  Vote?  They did, had "landslides" with their tea party upset the apple cart candidates.  And not a single fucking thing changed. Hell, it didn't even slow down.  Nor will there be change, until those free groceries aren't being stuffed into cars that they can't afford to purchase gasoline for. 

The game is rigged, get your free groceries while you can, after all, you paid for them.  I recommend getting the big bags of pintos and rice, and a lot of iodized salt.

I do agree with you about the happy part though man,  all the ones conditioned to the easy path will fall over in droves, or follow the bread crumbs into camps? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:02 | 1240196 MachoMan
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either that or the conditioned ones vote to have you conditioned also...  funny how that works...  [they're already breaking it off in asses of the last remaining holdouts of the middle class]

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:06 | 1239922 Blorf
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Silver bubble, meet Chevy Silverado bubble

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:29 | 1240039 Boilermaker
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Chevy Silverado meet $4.00+ gasoline.  Not a bubble, it's a reality.

If it makes you feel better, that Silverado would be a good investment to buy it now before your dollars are debased into nothingness.  You could actually live in a Silverado, at least.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:36 | 1240079 LFMayor
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down by the river?   Oh, no, that would have to be a van.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:52 | 1240154 Boilermaker
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Wherever the carp are biting!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:04 | 1241848 wisefool
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Naw. Americans are too lazy for that, but (as usual) the chinese are here to the rescue. The asian snakehead carp is reaching record numbers in north american waterways, and you dont even have to cast a line, bait a hook, or throw a net. they will literaly jump in the boat. 

So everybody get on those bad motorscooters, or pickup trucks, and pull sombody in a dinghy, panama canal style.

When you get those badboys into the kitchen, cook'em like you would a possum. Brine it for a couple of days, Pressure cook, pull the bones, deep fry, drain and rinse. put a 1/2 pound of salt, cayene, nitrites, nitrates into a ziplock bag with it and freeze it for two weeks.

Put it in the microwave, and douse it with sometype of HFC sauce. I'm loving it!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:50 | 1240158 Long-John-Silver
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typically with missing engine and transmission.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:03 | 1240224 Boilermaker
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Mis-matched door and quarter-panel colors...nice.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:45 | 1241410 Antarctico
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down by the river?

I want my steady diet of government cheese!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:06 | 1239924 oogs66
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Kentucky giving GM $7.5 million in incentives.  GM giving Kentucky 250 jobs.  $30k per job, yeah, economy is growing organically!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:27 | 1240028 Boilermaker
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That's not even good math.  Incentives isn't cash out of pocket.  It's just cash not collected that would have been, right?  And it isn't $30k per job.  It's $30k over (insert number of years here) per job in incentives.

Fucking Christ...I see you're taking the Glenn Beck home study courses.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:39 | 1240095 Non Passaran
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But the bottom line is those $30K/job over X years will have to be taken from other, tax-paying folks.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:51 | 1240160 Boilermaker
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That was Kentucky's decision or GM's?  There isn't anything 'taken' from anybody.  They are incentives (which, I'm sure are probably 'abatements').

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:12 | 1240271 oogs66
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Was it the decision of the taxpayer's of Kentucky, or one powerful official who did it for his region and because he enjoyed all the expensive dinners while the terms of jobs vs 'abatements' was negotiated?  Hasn't GM in particular received enough from the government for the jobs it produces?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:22 | 1240325 disabledvet
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they fired everybody.  Pontiac gone/Saturn gone.  I do agree "Los Angeles was a mistake."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:22 | 1240332 Boilermaker
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So, you think GM forced itself onto the taxpayers of Kentucky?  What if I told you that several states were fighting for GM to produce there?

It's not in the best interest of the federal taxpayers for GM to take the best deal possible?  You can't have it both ways.

It's better for all the Big 3 to liquidate and hand over the entire industry to foreign firms.  That's the best option now?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:12 | 1239937 jwfxfox11
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Walter: You're going to enter a world of pain, son.  We know this is your homework.  We know you stole a car.

Dude: And the fucking money!

Walter: And the fucking money.  And we know that this is your homework, Larry.

Walter: You're gonna KILL your FATHER, Larry!!!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:14 | 1239958 Extremist Tan
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"Oh no, he's sick."  We need to draw a line in the sand.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:17 | 1240291 Problem Is
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Dude: "Oh, Jesus, what's that smell, man?"

Auto Circus Cop: "Yeah, probably a vagrant slept in the car. Or maybe just used it as a toilet and moved on."

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1240728 augie
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I was wonder where all the urban achieves were....


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:05 | 1241248 Problem Is
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Dude: "Different mothers, huh? Racially he's pretty cool?"

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