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Dollar Breaks... Again

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For those rare occasions when a megasqueeze in financials just won't raise the market:

"Break dollar in case of manipulation failure"

In other news, everyone at the SEC is currently on a 7 hour long coffee break, spiking the top line of SBUX and GMCR.

The S&P's closing price has already been decided.

 

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Wed, 08/05/2009 - 14:56 | 26062 Gilgamesh
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They all read the articles about hot chicks in the coffee joints last night.  Just doing economic research today; report to follow.

 

Might need to do auto-refresh posting of the DXY GIPS screen.  It's lower by the minute.

 

Funny thing is - a lot commodity stocks aren't buying it (even though JJC, JJN, LD, et al remaining parabolic).  Seeing a lot of red there, or just barely breaking green now.  And, yeah, gold still down.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 14:59 | 26073 Anonymous
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960ish in summer is gold down? Doesn't it traditionally dip further?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:02 | 26077 Gilgamesh
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Down a buck for the day.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:06 | 26085 Project Mayhem
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the seasonal correlation in gold has pretty much gone haywire since the appearence of the financial fail whale

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:12 | 26227 Anonymous
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Seasonal gold correlation? Could you explain a bit further? On the other hand I've noticed that they have been pretty well correlated the last few months..

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:32 | 26274 Project Mayhem
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Gold normally lags in summer (July/August) and surges in fall and winter.  This correlation has become somewhat irrelevent over the past 18 months.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 14:57 | 26068 Anonymous
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Will it reach it's 2008 lows?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:37 | 26174 Anonymous
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will it stop at it's 2008 lows?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:46 | 26296 chumbawamba
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Let's put it this way, punky: in the future, when you want to buy something, you'll pay by one of the following:

1) Silver

2) Gold

3) Ammo

4) Guns

5) Food

6) Your labor (for what it's worth)

To put it another way, forget the dollar.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 18:14 | 26436 Project Mayhem
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Don't be so sure.   The elites have a way of screwing everyone over when they least expect it.   Intermediate to long term the dollar is toast.   Short term the picture is not so clear.

 

This is why you hedge.  ie.  You need to add "7) Cash (USD)"  to your list for it to be complete.  Physical cash, that is.   Not hallucinated computer pixels.  A dollar revaluation will not result in the value going to zero.  It will start with a 10-50% overnight reduction on some major event (war, plague, bank runs, fdic failure, whatever).

 

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 18:53 | 26484 Anonymous
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pm,

agreed. almost EVERYBODY is talking crash Sept/Oct. this assigns a lower probability to the elites allowing it to happen at that time. it will happen at such a time as to inflict maximum pain.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:22 | 26656 dark pools of soros
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great line TD about smashing the dollar - the inflation game is on - last week's market run up was even more ludicrous vs the losses raining everywhere...

flash trading gets turned off.. is all focus on cap and trade now for GS or do they whirlpool the dark pools? everyone eying GS like tornado chasers not even concerned their packs are being swallowed up one by one

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:54 | 26681 Anonymous
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My best guess is end of Sept at the earliest, simply because I've got a huge position in Sept 30 SPX puts, from 1000 down. I'm out net premium s.t. 945 is about my breakeven... I suspect I'm screwed

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 14:58 | 26071 phaesed
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They're pushing hard, take a look at the FAZ as well.... They're trying to pump out all the shorts again... the financials are mainly going up off the crap stocks. While I don't think this is the start of the final leg down if they push us up much further in the next two days, I doubt they will stop the momentum that will build next week. Although if they do it will make way to a spectacular rally. If so, look to September 10th...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 14:59 | 26072 Dr Hackenbush
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"spiking the top"

SBUX serves liquor now don't ya know?

(it's the fundamentals)

 

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:02 | 26078 Anonymous
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Bonds don't care much for the falling dollar.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^TNX&t=1d

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:03 | 26079 Anonymous
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'climbing the wall of worries'. LOL !

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:06 | 26089 Anonymous
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Climbing a wall of forced short closing by any means possible.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:05 | 26084 Anonymous
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This economy must be incredible bad if they are going through all the dirty tricks book to force it higher.

Sooner or later the emperor and his nudity will be shockingly apparent even for the most gullible braindead zombie to see

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:26 | 26258 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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This stock market is frakked. PAULA ABDUL QUIT AMERICAN IDOL AND WILL NOT RETURN.

 

My God you guys, the Sheeple will not tolerate Kara DioGuardi!!!

 

The End is Near!!!!

 

(I'm sorry but it had to be said...)

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:06 | 26087 Anonymous
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Is China only buying TIPS from now on ? There was also news that Treasury is looking to increase TIPS from november. In that case where are we going to offload the remaining debt for this fiscal year ? Chinese are smart - TIPS means the 'inflate way out of debt' play is over. Maybe the plan is to let the primary dealer make a lot of money trading with which they can pretend to be the indirect bidders for the rest of year ?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:08 | 26099 Anonymous
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Wouldn't it be a better idea to let the market fall so everyone will want to go to a safer place than shares sorry I meant computer scoring points

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:23 | 26140 Steak
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Where that trade ends in epic fail is that TIPS are indexed to CPI, which has been underreporting inflation since way back when.

We are smart, if we can get suckers to buy our TIPS.

Thu, 08/06/2009 - 03:58 | 26969 Anonymous
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Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:07 | 26094 mightybillfuji
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Finance is up today? I didn't notice. Oh wait something called AIG is up 65% today, But I am sure having sold off most of the company's units for firesale prices worldwide and retaining only the lamest parts of the business and being saddled with a net of perhaps only 40 or 50 billion dollars in taxpayer repayments to make, that should worth like oh 40x 2018 earnings.

no ramp jobs anywhere in the market.....

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:25 | 26148 Steak
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Didn't you hear the news, they're giving out free handjobs and an 8ball of blow with every policy sold.  As a result they are likely to see their profits increase by 65%.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:39 | 26177 VegasBD
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It would sell me a policy!

 

Course, Im from vegas, thast everyday life...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:31 | 26270 Anonymous
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Come on Steak use the correct terminology; It's yayo....
Turn your head sideways, frown and think Tony Montana...

you want my yayo!? you want my yayo!? you wanna play rough eh. alright I play rough. Say hello to my little friend.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:07 | 26095 Anonymous
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Don;t worry Tim and Treasury pklan to issue 30 year TIPs..that makes it good paper

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:07 | 26096 Project Mayhem
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remember to hedge , ppl!   if usdx goes under 71 or way up to 90  i don't want to hear all the losers bitching about how ZH lost them money.  HEDGE YOUR PORTFOLIO, WORKER DRONES!

 

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:19 | 26121 Gilgamesh
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Zero Hedge name has become prophetic.  There is soon to be zero opportunity left to hedge yourself in this market (that isn't subject to manipulation itself).

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:23 | 26143 Anonymous
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What does hedge mean?

Sincerely,
Barney Frank

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:43 | 26184 waterdog
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Drones do not work. They mate with run-a-way queens and die.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:08 | 26221 deadhead
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I would add on a general basis that I have yet to see ZH make investment recommendations and I've been here since around Feb.

Good luck to all and I would add that Proj Mayhem has good advice about hedging....

I'm hedging with lots of cash, small additions to my short position.  Almost grabbed faz today but will wait to see if they can push the bkx to 45.5-46

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:19 | 26245 dying_bear
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I'm starting to dip my little furry foot in the short puddle again too.   But if it

gets too hot again i'm outta here!

 

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:08 | 26097 Anonymous
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HA ! This is funny. SEC has no naked short case on file

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090803-711044.html

They leave it up to the self regulation by financial institutions. Yeah give the house key to the burglar and take a stroll.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:08 | 26100 Anonymous
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funny didn;t the guy who advisied to halt the 30 year advise treasury a year or so ago to stop issuing tips? now they are moving the duration out..

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:12 | 26110 Sancho Ponzi
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Kicking the can way down the street, weedhopper

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:09 | 26101 ex ante
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check RSI and see if DXY is diverging? confirming gold and bond market? this baby could be close to a big reversal?

 

a few words of advice - quit obsessing over lagging stale manipulated economic data that is irrelevant to the future

 

the markets are doing their job

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:49 | 26307 ex ante
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junk?  you guys are SO bearish you can't even tell when the market is signalling a reversal - shit is diverging all over the place but all you want to do is complain that duke and duke are rigging the game - the market is screwing with your heads because you are biased - quit listening to the news and reading economic data - just watch price, everything will become much more clear

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:10 | 26102 Sancho Ponzi
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C is their latest darling - 1.1 billion shares traded and counting

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:10 | 26104 Anonymous
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TIPs are pegged to CPI. China should buy with a contingency clause that it is pegged off a basket of hard goods

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:09 | 26648 Anonymous
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Or a deed to the State of California.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:10 | 26105 Anonymous
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PPS inversely correlated to toxicity.

Be sure to chase the REITS higher... higher... come closer to the trap door...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:12 | 26107 Anonymous
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Overheard at PPT/Fed/Whitehouse/Treasury/GS/DTC pre game strategy session today:..." This is going great guys, if we can just that stubborn .DXY down to zero we'll have 'em right where we want 'em."

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:22 | 26137 Anonymous
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Chinese came out and said they want more TIPs rather than the standard treasury bonds. Look for the bond route to continue. Notice TIPs are flat today while the rest of the t-bonds are getting smoked.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:24 | 26146 Anonymous
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And no, I am not sure how higher interest rates help REITs

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 15:27 | 26156 glenlloyd
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the effectiveness of all these machinations seems to be waning. Is it only me or do things seem like they're falling apart?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:00 | 26209 Anonymous
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I concur with glenlloyd. Things are falling apart.

On every level.

PUT on Martial Law soon.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:00 | 26211 Anonymous
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"Where that trade ends in epic fail is that TIPS are indexed to CPI, which has been underreporting inflation since way back when.

We are smart, if we can get suckers to buy our TIPS."

I think this nails it. All the other countries that have gone through severe inflation and hyperinflation have had an official rate of inflation that was only a fraction of the real rate of inflation. China would do slightly better with TIPS than with ordinary treasuries, but only slightly. Or they could start a war, economic or otherwise, when the US cheats them again.

Anyone got job leads in New Zealand?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:14 | 26232 Apocalypse Now
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I can only liken this carnival ride to the movie "Event Horizon".

The crew discovers that although the ship's drive successfully opened a gateway in space-time, it actually led outside the known universe and into another dimension, described as "pure chaos, pure evil", which may or may not be a reference to Hell. The Event Horizon's reconstructed video log shows the original crew activating the gravity drive and, moments later, engaging in a frenzy of torture, self-mutilation, cannibalism, murder, and rape. The ship's captain, who has torn out his own eyes, leaves the previously-heard Latin message which has since been found to actually say liberate tutame ex infernis ("save yourself from Hell").

It appears that the Event Horizon has returned with a supernatural and extremely dark presence which is using its occupants' personal torments against them, with the aim of compelling them to return to the "chaos" dimension.

The horror, the horror.  Save yourself from hell.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 16:47 | 26302 Comrade de Chaos
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well, first dollar; later double dip and then the trade war! In the end, there won't be any green shoots unless we complete the deleveraging process.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 17:11 | 26344 Project Mayhem
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is it just me or does industrial music go really well with reading zero hedge

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 18:09 | 26427 robbonds
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how about SRS ?

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 18:18 | 26443 Project Mayhem
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All the leveraged ETFs have tracking error.    This somehow seems to magnify whenever the serfs are set to make money.   I would either get a margin account and trade for real, or else stay the fuck away from the falling knives.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:20 | 26654 Anonymous
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the leveraged etfs r a day to day game. geometric average, day to day from my understanding.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:03 | 26690 Gilgamesh
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Not day to day anymore; it's baked in the real-time trading price now.  The higher the volatility, the higher the loss on rebalancing.  Even worse, it's exponential.

 

There's probably been expert papers written on this by now, since this tracking error was widely discovered last September (or before, by the bigs who were early adaptive users).

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 18:17 | 26444 Project Mayhem
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Wed, 08/05/2009 - 19:00 | 26494 e1even1
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a quick look indicates the dollar is about 10% up from Mar '08 and the S&P500 about 25% down. no big deal. so what?

this is certainly entertaining, though. "Break dollar in case of fail". lol.

this dollar isn't hard. so, the only value it has is relative to other currencies and we're not the only country trying to print, borrow, spend, steal and prostitute our way out of this jam. i could do with a tad less political corruption, but what are you gonna do? we didn't invent corruption. governments exist to be corrupt. yawn.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 20:34 | 26569 bbtrader
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On a different note, anyone notice that the Baltic Dry Index is down for 5 straight days, and that it's beginning to trend downward again?

I was wondering if it might be seasonal but not exactly a good economic sign...and no, goldman sachs cannot short this

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 20:41 | 26572 Cheeky Bastard
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actually, at this time of year it should be up because of all the stocking and restocking that has to be done by Fall .... it doesn't really surprise me, in this day and age, nothing out of the ordinary ..

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 21:03 | 26587 Gilgamesh
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Has a little more room on the downside before breaking down:

http://www.dryships.com/pages/report.asp

 

Still every shipping CEO sees spot rates lower at the end of the year.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:08 | 26693 Anonymous
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Some various financial liquidity indices, like HSCLOG and BFIUS are well better than year ago levels... I think it's a head-fake, but it's real today. LIBOR is at remarkably low levels too...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 21:38 | 26612 Gilgamesh
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Oh, here we go.  Aussies reported that employment increased, due to a flood of new part-time work.  AUD goes ballistic, carry trades take off, and the Dollar will get pressured even more.

 

It's not crazy enough that the US Futures somehow went from down almost 1% after the CSCO talking - back to even by dinner time...  Now that the Dollar will selloff further, US futures are Green...  Yeah, part-time jobs in Australia means a rally in the US.  CSCO is irrelevant.

 

I'm going to go find my baseball bat.  And hopefully remain disciplined enough to stay away from the computer and TV.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:11 | 26649 bbtrader
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Well for the late owls out there, keep your eyes on the Shanghai...currently down nearly  2% at the moment

It's at a 50% retracement level and if it fails then we should expect to see a significant move down, and perhaps this is what the BDI is telling us

S&P 500 and Dow struggling with 38.2, NDX at 50%; traders probably rotated a lot of money to the financials and REITs to take advantage of upward momentum but are not at 38.2 yet, note how the NDX has churned the last 2 weeks

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:33 | 26665 Gilgamesh
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Good notes.  China made some nice Green-Shootish comments early this morning; not sure if it was printed here - I didn't see it all day until now:

 

From the PBOC:

"China's economy is now in a critical period of stabilization and recovery, and maintaining stable and rapid economic growth is still the most important task we face," the People's Bank of China said in its quarterly monetary-policy report. "Although the general trend of stabilization in the [global] economy has been basically established, the process of recovery may be slow and tortuous."

With global demand for China's exports still weak, a solid rebound depends on domestic consumption and investment, the central bank said. Chinese companies may be more willing to ramp up production now that inventories have been reduced.

Sentiment among private-sector businesses remains weak, it said, and consumers' worries about future income could crimp spending. "The foundation of the economic recovery is not yet stable," it said, echoing other agencies' recent comments.

The central bank also cited numerous uncertainties to the outlook for the global economy, including changes in the U.S. dollar's exchange rate, commodity prices, inflation expectations and protectionism. "These factors could, in combination with inevitable shocks to the economy and financial markets, test market confidence and affect the progress of the recovery," it said.

 

Seperately, this was a good read:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KH06Dj02.html

 

Oh, and the previous comment about the AUD spike and everything following - it failed.  Was a very temporary spike, and has given virtually all of it back already.  Things seem to be much more rational when US markets are closed!

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:54 | 26682 Anonymous
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less risk aversion. so?

and where's my f'ing captcha? i know the temp of absolute zero.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 22:59 | 26687 Anonymous
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was referring to $ chart posted. look at it and tell me it's not a proxy.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:12 | 26698 Anonymous
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What the dollar is at the moment is the funding currency for carry - i.e. what the yen was .
And / or the hedge for funds that are playing the US equity / bond game.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:18 | 26700 Gilgamesh
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Would love to see the 'Primary Dealers' FX positions and the relation to their Treasury holdings (if they aren't already on the Fed's books).  Would think that they are hedging any Treasuries with USD funded carry trades - not exactly helping the Dollar.

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:28 | 26708 Anonymous
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Its unlikely that that kind of data is available or collatable ... but take a look at the chart for say the Dow or the S+P - agst the DXY (partic since this "crisis" began and take it onward to when the rebound occurred).

For stats, the Dow is up about 40% from lows - and the Aud and Nzd are down about exactly that much from the lows agst the Dollar...

The price tells the story...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:29 | 26709 Anonymous
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apols - that shud be the Aud and Nzd are "UP" about exactly that much from the lows agst the Dollar ...

Wed, 08/05/2009 - 23:59 | 26736 Anonymous
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It would seem that the natives are getting restless. A little civil unrest in the USA might not help the USD much.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/08/voice-of-america.html

Warning - the YouTube video in the blog post contains swearing and violence.

It's actually 10 minutes by an average American with a baseball bat in his garage listing off all of the lovely 'green shoots' while smashing up 'made in China' stuff with his baseball bat and generally ripping into the Fed, the Treasury and the way that the current US administration is handling the current situation.

Could it be that he is not the only American feeling a bit piqued by the nonsense?

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