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"first you scare them, then you squeeze their boobs/balls."
i probably read that w/ respect to nazi germany or pol-pot. i forget.
i guess i'll have to google it...
Evil.
My opinion on this comment stream is that most of the posters are beyond reason, entertaining themselves "Waiting for Godot".
It is no wonder at all that our government is so screwed up. Reasonable people are shouted down instead of debated.
That would hold true for the stream of consciousness running through all of America, not just this article.
All waiting for someone else to make the sacrifice that makes it all better.
They are straw dogs... They will be burned without concern or emotion by their Masters when the time comes.
We are them.
sir... your paperz pleaz.
So, who do you think will handle the IPOs of the airlines after they have been nationalized? Which VCs will be able to buy big slices of debt-free, pension-free airlines on the cheap?
This is so frightening (I am also alarmed that my captcha was that easy!).
the problem is getting quite obvious. the solution isn't.
Yeah man,
I agree, the problem is quite well documented.
What remains wanted is a viable path to solution.
The US Constitution is a good goal to reach for undoubtedly but how we really start to get there is not as clear to me.
Elections don't hold much promise of moving us towards that goal when viewed within the current systems mechanisms.
A Judical solution is laughable for the same reasons.
I am sorry, but I can't model out anything that appeals to most sane people as a solve for the issues we have today.
It's too entropied already... It can't be stabilized and fixed... It's gonna pop.
Think about your local politicians, past and present. Start talking to the better ones and get them thinking. Get the not-so-good ones and let them know they can really step up and be a better person by making good decisions for your local community. That you back them if they make unpopular decisions and will argue their points if they do try to do the right thing.
The only thing that should matter to each of us, is what is happening around us and how we can influence that towards a more honest and stable future. When things finally pop, you might be grateful you thought "local".
My table manners are improved to some ZH'rs relief I hope.
Regards
ZH readers are clearly part of the enlightened minority, but I wonder precisely how much of a minority we are. This was in the "Letters to Editors" in todays Arizona Repuplic. It about made me puke:
Pat-Down outcry buoys terrorists
We Americans appear to be outraged at body-scan technologies and pat-downs at airports.
I know of one group that absolutely agrees with out attitude. We call them terrorists, and we are making their day.
Clyde Bowen, Phoenix
I'm guessing about 75% of the brainwashed public support this derelict's opinion.
Is there any hope left for the rest of us??
JR
It's viralizing on FB, if that's any comfort...
Woman form a line here, men here and children and the elderly here...you are to be processed...Rouse!!
To the showers of the CondomNation.
+1
Ooof.
Just thinking out-loud here, but has anyone ever tested the use of Ballistics gel (ala mythbusters dummies) and its effectiveness at mimicking flesh in these backscatter machines? If the density reflects the waves and the gel is masking "items", normally picked up by metal detectors, isn't this a huge hole?? I know that in O'hare the metal detectors are being phaed out and you don't even need to pass through them anymore
Such a hurlyburly about this. I too confess to being a bit conflicted, but a few simple points to get out there...
1) There's nothing at all unreasonable in the statement that "flying is not a right." Calling it a privilege is pretty silly, though--it's a service purchased as a business transaction. The airline doesn't have to fly you somewhere if you can't obey their rules. But the TSA is not an airline, and no way would an airline implement such absurd policies. They want your business.
2) The TSA employees who are carrying out these searches are about as powerless as the travelers. They're working shit-ass jobs in wretched conditions for fairly low wages, and for performing their duties, they are subjected to constant negative attention from the people they're supposed to be "serving." MOST of them don't want to do this stuff--of course there are going to be some bastards on power trips. (Plenty of passengers are bastards on power trips too.)
3) One relatively common tactic for powerless employees to effect a change in management-decreed policies is to adhere very strictly to the LETTER of the rules while causing the maximum amount of disruption in the performance of the job. It may be that some employees are intentionally making these practices as uncomfortable as possible because they want management to reconsider the plan.
4) (very interesting to me) It would seem there's currently a big effort to whip up the anti-TSA sentiment, as this subject has received a vastly disproportionate share of media attention lately. Whether this is pure diversionary to prevent people from thinking about economic collapse of Ireland (or whatever) or something intended to provide some kind of cover for a planned policy or event is worth considering. I'm more interested in this part than all the huffing and puffing.
"flying is not a right."
My tax dollars fund the airports, air traffic control, airline bailouts, TSA salaries, etc....
You were saying?
Your tax dollars fund huge sugar, corn, wheat and other crop subsidies. Have a right to all that?
How about oil & gas? You going to the local gas station and tell them your tax dollars funded X% of that?
Then we can turn our attention to finance.. What rights to money do you think you have there?
You were wasting O2 for what reason?
Fact remains that freedom to travel, associate and be free from search without probable cause were once rights. Not anymore. Meanwhile the lobsters fly without restriction. Can't impede the rights of commerce
What part of do not argue Tarzan don't you understand?
You two have the same sheeple mentality that created this pathetic, weak herd of pussies. I guess that's why you're called ZHeeple.
No, actually. You're just an idiot.
Your "rights" exist just so far as you can defend them. And let me tell you, moron: if they don't want to fly you someplace, you're not getting flown someplace. There's no "right" to air-travel.
As for me, I have about zero respect for authority. On the chance that I get pulled out of line for a full body scan or a grope, I ain't going. I'm not going to submit to being felt up, and I'm not standing in one of the scanners. I'll offer to strip to my briefs in full view of the audience, and if they accept that, that's my compromise. None of that other stuff is happening on my watch.
This may mean I don't get where I wanna go. I understand that.
But unlike a blowhard such as yourself, I'm not about to make inane claims to a "right" in such a case.
That shit's the same entitlement mentality that inflates the ego of the welfare recipient and justifies the intransigence of the union worker.
You're just another waste of fuckin' space, dude.
"Your "rights" exist just so far as you can defend them."
+++ a gazzilion.
A self appointed deity is it now. No wonder you enjoy wasting quality O2. Hell, you don't even provide any item to fight club over. With the exception of disrespecting women, but someone like yourself with such a huge inferiority complex will do such things. Time you went back home to the Yahoo boards. At least you have self identified as the LDS that junks just to be weak attention seeker. No wonder you enjoy the rep you do, shoe scraping residue.
Need it in Spanish, fuckhead?
"Flying is not a right."
It's pretty simple, really. Work on the language skills, son.
Call it whatever you want.
In certain civilized countries with written constitutions it is subject to specific constitutional rights that protect the individual from unreasonable searches and violations of personal privacy without probable cause.
Unless of course the TSA and their ilk operate without any rules other than those meted out by their masters to serve mercenary purposes in a dark and potentially burgeoning viral city state known as Globalstan....
I can only imagine that charter of rights....probably penned by an inbred royal or one of their slave dogs no doubt
Submission is slavery.
Keep fighting the good fight
This is a misdirection worth calling out.
We're not talking about law-enforcement here. The TSA is not forcing anyone into anything. If you don't fly, you don't get searched or scanned or groped.
If you truly believe that you have "a right" to fly, I'd ask how you draw the line between that and the right to own a house or go to the movies. (Did you know there are movie theaters where they use technology to disable cell-phones? What about your "right" to talk to your friends? Free speech, yo!)
I don't consider the TSA policies acceptable, and I won't submit. But try to maintain clear focus on the boundaries of the problem.
To get a bit abstract about it: privatization of publicly-consumed goods and services has very real societal costs. Make your choice, but understand the implications.
No it's an issue worth addressing.
The War on Terror is a fraud as is all the enforcement action deriving directly from it:
http://www.infowars.com/the-sharp-dressed-man-who-aided-mutallab-onto-fl...
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/01/chertoff_uses_f.php
Those boundaries you are talking about are fence lines and you're on the inside.
Consitutions and security to personal liberty and civil rights are being further abused by various personages and organizations that are the prime suspects in their initial violation. I think our right to the truth and rule of law is superior to the artifice of a commercial quasi-private interest based on corruption that you so vaguely stake out.
"Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
...known by the popular paraphrase:
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
-Ben Franklin
Your reply is the misdirection or perhaps you're simply lost.
It's just so silly. I say, "there is no right to air-travel" and you reply that I'm willing to sacrifice rights for security.
Bullshit. These are separate issues. Let's go slow:
1) Is there a "right" to air-travel? No.
2) Is there a "right" to be unmolested by intrusive searches? Yes.
I don't accept the TSA policies. I've repeated it often enough I'd expect a smart guy like you to have caught on by now.
First I’d like to apologize for my late response. Secondly I’d like to say, quid pro fucking quo mo-mo
Is there a right to air travel: Yes:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/49/VII/A/I/401/40103
Is that right subject to restrictions established by the appropriate responsible administrating body to ensure public safety given the circumstances of the current situation?: Yes.
Can these restrictions subvert or circumvent your constitutional rights which ensure your right to travel in the first place?: NO
Did you NOT ADDRESS the primary proposition of my argument that that constitutional rights are only ensured by the the obligation of the right bearer to ensure that restrictions limiting them are valid in the first place: YES
Does your meme/argument posit the current defeatist/submissive propaganda conditioning of the the TSA: Yes.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/11/tsa-head-john-pistole-if-passengers-dont-undergo-screening-they-dont-have-a-right-to-fly.html
Will I look for you on later threads to ensure that you can respond to my confrontation of your weak and passive defeatist slave mentality: Damn-fucking-straight.
The sin of omission can be greater than the sin of commission especially when you foment a weak bait and switch. Even the straw man you are abusing is ashamed.
Your response to me is the equivalent of omitting the awareness of the right of free speech and arguing that because you cannot yell fire in a crowded movie theater (for good reason) then you must accept all restrictions that flow from authority imposed by public safety without considering that there may be arsonists in the theater.
Seriously, you’re too clever by half to not consider these circumstances which makes YOU suspect in your lone wolf passive/regressive stance.
FYI. Sheep dogs are nothing other than domesticated wolves who in their minds think they are still wild and have no clue, that even though they are one level above the sheep, are themselves still VERY disposable to the farmers that herd them.
Good luck with your travels in the wild.
DON'T ARGUE TARZAN!
Interesting how his has been going on for days and not one mention in the MSM about the Ossiah not saying a word while Reagan's still getting crap for firing the ATC. Isn't the TSA a branch of his private army?
I think it is about, as they say in prison, "Locking down the country" I've always wanted to take a drive across the country. from east to west and back again, I think I'll do it this winter! While it is still possible to do such things, Trends are real and this trend will eventual mean no travel without a permit, everyone will have a Bracelet and if someone wants to have a talk to you they will just turn on the juice until you bring yourself into the office. I don't really appreciate Ad Hominem attacks, but that man in the video could have carried out Himmler's orders, he understands the concept of obedience. At what place in evolution are we when such people appear, they are a visible manifistation of the insanity which grips us now and dooms us to defeat.
i couldn't bear to watch the skinhead nazis justify why they think that they own every orifice on my body but they can go fuck themselves....
they have created a scare and pack of lies far greater than the paranoid red scare of the 1950s-70s....the only threat of terrorism to the usa is the cia and its staged in flight attacks...every signal act of terrorism in the world since 1947 is staged by mossad or the cia....9/11 was a usa/israeli terrorist operation.
study the uss liberty incident....it shows in graphic detail how the power elite stage fake incidents to stir up war....the people need to find these assholes and try them for murder and terrorism...i hate the oligarchs - including that asshole david rockefeller who dribbles on about his baptist grandfather....rockefellers can go fuck themselves..
I agree about Rockefellers...don't agree about 9/11. I personally, two days ahead, had a Palestinian detail events nobody could have known. I live in metro New York area, and I am not given to pulling my head out of my ass or putting it up there, either. fyi.
please go on. How do you know this "palestinian" and what were the details. surely no one ever heard of CIA working through organizations that are not "American"
Just remember air cargo flies with a self declaration. This is all for show.
Also, what are they supposed to do if they do stumble across another "bomb" in some guy's crotch? Where are the bomb disposal guys? How do they isolate the "perp" in case he starts to flic the bic? Do they pick up the "package" with their bomb-proof blue plastic gloves? Does anybody really think that they would know what to do with a real, honest-to-goodness Al-Quaida dirtbag that would kill without blinking an eye?
You are right, this is all a total sham designed to make the innocent suffer. I am waiting for news reports of TSA twerps who were followed home after their shifts and then bludgeoned to death on their own doorsteps. As long as air cargo is essentially unscreened, and the Mexican border remains open to one and all, this is not about terrorism, it is about locking down this country.
Exact. When you buy a ticket you have to enter full name, birth date, gender.
You are known before you ever enter the facility.
We don't even need TSA.
TSA: Too Stupid for Arby's.
LOLS, and that is fricking dumb!
I like it ;-)
Touching Seniors Asses?
dup.
trip. sorry.
at this point anyone who purchases an airline ticket
deserves to be gang banged in the name of justice.
women, children, grandma , you name it. even pets!
wtf. or contract a debilitating disease for passing thru
security. dna scramble !
just say " fuck no " . nancy reagan. so i miss quote
sources now and then. go ahead, organize an official
security gang rape and then . fuck off! i mean this in
the most gregarious possible interpretation, obviously.
oh yea, end the fed. it is all their fault / manifest scheme
to destroy the "person". ha!
I can't wait to see SouthParks take on this.
My take on it is you give anyone with a chip on his shoulder 12 bucks an hour and their first taste of authority and this what you get. Of course they are just following orders.
Boats Bitchez.
You think those folks WANT to do this? Hell, most Americans are nasty, stinking, foul & disgusting. I'll be surprised if TSA doesn't lose a good 5-10% of their workforce, requiring even more overtime bloating federal outlays for manpower. Gotta look tough after an election loss. What a bunch of little dick crap from the members of congress & the administration who want to show Americans whose boss. I just wonder what stupidity the R's would dream up .. cavity searches perhaps. regardless since air cargo is self declared. Cant impede the flow of dope & lobsters
Don't know why you got junked- you are right, for the most part:
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/flyingwithfish/2010/11/18/tsa-enhanced-pat-downs-the-screeners-point-of-view/
Which is why I went five days without bathing or changing my underwear, and then requested the enhanced pat-down. They sent a huge black guy to stick his hands down my waistband and up my crotch (conditioning for the prison experience?) He behaved professionally but he obviously felt awkward.
In the rush of the moment, I learned something useful: You can use the pat-down to bypass the METAL DETECTOR! They didn't even use a wand on me. Which means you might be able to smuggle 100oz of gold out of the country without any problems. Maybe even a 400oz bar, if you are female or gay. Our own little angel, Anal Picnic, could probably smuggle TWO 400oz bars! She had better have good sphincter control, though, because 800oz is heavy and they will make her spread her legs.
The crew behind the machines didn't ask to see my ID or boarding pass, and didn't question me beyond a basic "WTF?" I told them I didn't trust the machines. Might give me cancer.
They might have breached procedure with me. Your mileage may vary. Anyone care to volunteer for a test?
Indeed the junks just show that I am either rubbing someone very right, or they're weak to junk without a fight.
Anyone that knows anything about security & travel can see that this is a sham.
I absolutely refuse to fly again. I hope the airlines go bankrupt.
bankrupt again*
shit heads rule bitches. them's the ones you luv and trust!
. just biznus....
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2010/11/full-body-scan-of-american-corruption.html
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arrest him!