Doubling Down On Bailout CDOs: EFSF Guarantees To Be Raised From €440 Bn To €780 Bn As Europe Prepares For Spain Failure

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Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:39 | 1384471 qussl3
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So every EU nation taking on more debt is somehow bullish for the EUR lol.

Fucking retarded.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 15:15 | 1385858 phungus_mungus
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I think I just short my shorts... 

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:42 | 1384478 johngaltfla
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Just remember:

It's only called monetization by normal people, not banksters.

WOW. Short the dog snot out of FXE on this news....

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:43 | 1384481 hugovanderbubble
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Because GCC,(gulf Council Countries and) Asean Central Banks are buying Euros(Acting as pseudocollateral) for the ECB-

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:42 | 1384489 johngaltfla
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Yup. Buying Euros with Dollars. Perfectly logical. Trading less valued shit for more shit.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:44 | 1384496 SheepDog-One
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The new global shit trade, just got to have new skills to figure out which giant piles of shit are more desirable than others. 

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:00 | 1384532 hugovanderbubble
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All fiats are broken, but which gonna be fast diving one?

Imho , USD is not as bad as people says, ---"a dollar is a dollar" and more with Precious Metal Commodities Currency Linked Markets.

 

I prefer to hold USD than Euros in the long run, but of course its my humble opinion

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:04 | 1384540 SheepDog-One
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I prefer my AR15 and lots of ammo for whats coming next...I do have a sack of dollars for fire starting kindling and toilet paper though.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:36 | 1384595 Absinthe Minded
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Dup. Frickin' Ipad. If I had some ketchup I'd eat it.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:34 | 1384600 Absinthe Minded
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My wife thinks I'm nuts. I've got cases and cases of TP in the garage. She never bitches when she thinks where out and I pull another case out though. I like my Mini 14 though, try to buy local. Sturm Ruger is 50 miles up the road from me.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:43 | 1384483 TooBearish
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BUY the EUR great news - where is this money coming from ? Trichets and Junkers colons? comon

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:43 | 1384491 hugovanderbubble
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Im telling whole ZH members Qatar (QIA)s gonna invest in Telefonica ...

Flow Analysis --------------Smart Money coming to Spain (at discount) but final orders.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:05 | 1384503 Thomas
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I think we need an FDIC Failed Country List. Every Friday night we could count how many countries will get rolled up, reliquified, and renamed over the coming weekend.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:53 | 1384522 topcallingtroll
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Money is created by central bankers, no problem creating a bit more.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:54 | 1384525 Quintus
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Indeed not.  The problems only arise when you try to spend it and find that prices have mysteriously gone up in line with the amount of new money that has been printed.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:04 | 1384547 SheepDog-One
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Thats the bitch of it, cant print fast enough to keep up with prices rising, vicious ass kicking circle. The central banksters are again at blowout stage where a 'do over' is required, last one was WW2.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:27 | 1384584 Reptil
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Agreed. A reset is imminent. The big question is "in what form?".

I think better get it over with now, while the bankers are not in complete control (or about to lose it) to have some kind of influence in the construction of the next system. The whole "taxpayer as backstop" is just a way to put parts of society in an (awkward) position, when SHTF. Everybody an RFID with some "imaginary money" is not my idea of a basis for a free market, or society.

got gold?

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:44 | 1384486 SheepDog-One
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Oh, well where did that money magically appear from, pot'o'gold at the end of an Irish rainbow?

Why dont they stop all the games and just announce theres $100 trillion in the Euro bailout fund, $1 quadrillion US debt ceiling raise, and free ketchup with every IPad then the world is no longer bankrupt and starving!

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:41 | 1384488 snowball777
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EUO for flinching.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:55 | 1384517 topcallingtroll
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The germans will blink first.

A compromise will be found and greece will get this round of bailout money.

A huge temporary relief rally will ensue.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:01 | 1384544 SheepDog-One
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Or not.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:48 | 1384498 Paralympic Equity
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Nice (NOT), but I don't see how this can be decided like this, without any meetings

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:49 | 1384500 writingsonthewall
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I have discovered why there is no revolution in America yet.

"I heard the latest crowd control weapon in the US was a gun that fires donuts and cheeseburgers."

 

Is this true? - is this how they are keeping a lid on it?

Don't forget 'IMF Money is mainly US money" - surely it's time to get angry america?

 

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:54 | 1384513 SheepDog-One
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Yes and on top of that dont forget douchebag Mitch McConell and man-tan Boehner are now quite eager to raise the debt ceiling far as it needs to go to ensure perpetual can kicking and debt for US 'Merikans...hell what do they care anyway just keep the unemployment and SNAP cards rolling in, its all good.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:27 | 1384585 Absinthe Minded
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I bet they did great in "Social" Studies in school.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:46 | 1384502 oogs66
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Hasn't EFSF only issued 10 billion of bonds so far? 

Can EFSF still get AAA rating if so many countries drop out and with the downgrades/negative outlooks some remaining countries have experienced?

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:51 | 1384507 Version 7
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No way. The Finns and the Dutch will never agree on that, plus the possibility of the EU

printing its way out of it will never get Germany's agreement, as they still have a pretty harsh memory from hyperflation in the 30's. Economies the size of Spain or Italy are too big to qualify for a bailout, and this would be the final endgame for the €.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:56 | 1384521 qussl3
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Funny how the krauts want to have a weak "hard" currency isnt it?

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:33 | 1384602 topcallingtroll
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Dont we all!

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:38 | 1384605 topcallingtroll
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Dont we all!

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:07 | 1384551 wandstrasse
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there is no endgame, the desired final crash will never happen. If the system crashes, all fiat would be worthless within days, many people would die, but all bankers would be NAKED and DEAD, too. This is why it will NOT happen. When will the sun go out, again? in a billion years or so. There are many, many future generations to enslave and pay back the debt plus interest. The frogs will be cooked slowly. Stop dreaming of a final crash. It will not happen.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:17 | 1384570 Version 7
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The system is definitely not on the ascendance. You say "but all bankers would be NAKED and DEAD, too." The risk of the financial system collapsing is sytemic, it's here, and it is structural. It won't go away. Ask the people of the UK or the US for another bailout - which will have to happen sooner or later.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:34 | 1384598 wandstrasse
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The risk of the financial system collapsing is sytemic, it's here, and it is structural.

yes, of course - and you say it, the RISK is there, it has been since 1913 and it was maximised in 1971. The RISK. But it has not actually happened and it will not happen. The most sensible and best thing for everybody would be to let the PIIGS default, to let their own, new currencies find their market value etc. But this is simply not possible - the several 100 trillion of CDS notional amounts would be due... even god would not be able to print this amount whithout letting everything completely collapse. There will be bailout after bailout, money will be printed just to pay interest, and as I said, there are almost endless future generations who can be enslaved to pay interest.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:47 | 1384637 Version 7
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Let us not get enslaved by a lack of hope in the first place.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 10:25 | 1384737 wandstrasse
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I know what you mean and you are right, but one can also be enslaved by 'hopium'.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:31 | 1384592 Corn1945
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Right. That crash three years ago must have been in my imagination then.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:45 | 1384633 wandstrasse
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I think you know well what I mean, 2008 was a MARKET crash. I am speaking about a SYSTEM crash. I read it 1.000 times and I acknowledge that all fiat currencies eventually failed and disappeared. But in history currencies and systems had competetion. Today there is only ONE system on the entire planet and there is only fiat money. And the plutocrat/oligarch owners of the planet are too powerful to let THEIR system collapse and to watch themselves being replaced by whatever else.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:52 | 1384511 Dick Darlington
Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:59 | 1384530 Brick
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Kicking the can stops when one of the ratings agencies downgrades France on its liabilities to various bail out mechanisms.

S&P is quoted as saying in December
If the French government fails to meet its budget deficit targets, the long-term sovereign credit rating could come under downward pressure.
Standard & Poor's said budgetary measures implemented so far would likely be insufficient to meet the proposed target.

Does pouring money into bail outs sound like meeting deficit targets to you?

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 08:56 | 1384531 Silverhog
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We need to fast forward to the end of this shitty movie. I've gained 15 pounds eating popcorn.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:00 | 1384536 Tyler Durden
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the "Bailout 15"

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:23 | 1384574 Absinthe Minded
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+1 !
I think we're going to need a sense of humor to deal with what's coming. Watching Bberg with Lucy Liu and they're wondering if this soft spot is "transitory". I'm getting so sick of these terms and catch phrases. We're fuckin' broke. How's that for fuckin' transitory, bitch.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:04 | 1384537 alien-IQ
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I'll be looking to short the E/U in the 1.4285-1.43 range.

I don't see this news as having much traction.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:03 | 1384546 oogs66
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yeah, this seems like some last ditch attempt.  EFSF has only issued 10 billion, so not sure a lack of funds is the current issue

only thing i can think of is Germany decided they could screw their citizens by providing guarantees to EFSF rather than lending money to Greece directly?  a horrible lie that should backfire massively, but might make sense to a politician

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:10 | 1384560 alien-IQ
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yeah...considering the timing of this news, it just feels like some desperate attempt to keep the markets from dipping below the 200DMA.

I set an overnight cover order on my E/U short and sure as hell, it covered 12pips above the overnight low. I love it when a plan works. Waking up with profits already made beats the living daylights out of waking up and facing rush hour traffic to go to a shit job. :-)

Now lets see if I can get it right twice in a day. I Just opened a short starter position at 1.4296. I'd look to cover at 1.4220...

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:05 | 1384550 PaperBear
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"taking proactive steps to fund Spain imminently when the house of cards start falling potentially as soon as Tuesday night." AAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHH "It's Official: There Is Not Enough Money To Bail Out Spain" HOLY S**T !!!

"nothing less than a complete dissolution of the currency union and an unmitigated monetization ala Weimar will save what is left of the productive powers remaining in

Europe."
NO, NO, NO. "But luckily, there is always the IMF, which courtesy of its recent amendment now has infinite capital." I heard that the IMF was broke so where did this infinite capital come from ? Out of thin air which means credit/debt. But debt is not captial. "The endgame? Unbridled printing" HELL NO, HELL NO, HELL NO.
Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:06 | 1384553 lizzy36
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CDO superhero to the rescue:

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:17 | 1384564 Tense INDIAN
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i dont remember the dialogue exactly ...but it went something like this ..."....when the chips are down , these CIVILIZED people will eat each other"

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:18 | 1384566 SheepDog-One
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Most americans dont know how to eat anything other than pre packaged burgers and fries.

Mon, 06/20/2011 - 09:22 | 1384580 decon
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Glad to see you with posting privileges Lizzy.  You've always been a voice of reason.

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