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So every EU nation taking on more debt is somehow bullish for the EUR lol.
I think I just short my shorts...
It's only called monetization by normal people, not banksters.
WOW. Short the dog snot out of FXE on this news....
Because GCC,(gulf Council Countries and) Asean Central Banks are buying Euros(Acting as pseudocollateral) for the ECB-
Yup. Buying Euros with Dollars. Perfectly logical. Trading less valued shit for more shit.
The new global shit trade, just got to have new skills to figure out which giant piles of shit are more desirable than others.
All fiats are broken, but which gonna be fast diving one?
Imho , USD is not as bad as people says, ---"a dollar is a dollar" and more with Precious Metal Commodities Currency Linked Markets.
I prefer to hold USD than Euros in the long run, but of course its my humble opinion
I prefer my AR15 and lots of ammo for whats coming next...I do have a sack of dollars for fire starting kindling and toilet paper though.
Dup. Frickin' Ipad. If I had some ketchup I'd eat it.
My wife thinks I'm nuts. I've got cases and cases of TP in the garage. She never bitches when she thinks where out and I pull another case out though. I like my Mini 14 though, try to buy local. Sturm Ruger is 50 miles up the road from me.
BUY the EUR great news - where is this money coming from ? Trichets and Junkers colons? comon
Im telling whole ZH members Qatar (QIA)s gonna invest in Telefonica ...
Flow Analysis --------------Smart Money coming to Spain (at discount) but final orders.
I think we need an FDIC Failed Country List. Every Friday night we could count how many countries will get rolled up, reliquified, and renamed over the coming weekend.
Money is created by central bankers, no problem creating a bit more.
Indeed not. The problems only arise when you try to spend it and find that prices have mysteriously gone up in line with the amount of new money that has been printed.
Thats the bitch of it, cant print fast enough to keep up with prices rising, vicious ass kicking circle. The central banksters are again at blowout stage where a 'do over' is required, last one was WW2.
Agreed. A reset is imminent. The big question is "in what form?".
I think better get it over with now, while the bankers are not in complete control (or about to lose it) to have some kind of influence in the construction of the next system. The whole "taxpayer as backstop" is just a way to put parts of society in an (awkward) position, when SHTF. Everybody an RFID with some "imaginary money" is not my idea of a basis for a free market, or society.
Oh, well where did that money magically appear from, pot'o'gold at the end of an Irish rainbow?
Why dont they stop all the games and just announce theres $100 trillion in the Euro bailout fund, $1 quadrillion US debt ceiling raise, and free ketchup with every IPad then the world is no longer bankrupt and starving!
EUO for flinching.
The germans will blink first.
A compromise will be found and greece will get this round of bailout money.
A huge temporary relief rally will ensue.
Nice (NOT), but I don't see how this can be decided like this, without any meetings
I have discovered why there is no revolution in America yet.
"I heard the latest crowd control weapon in the US was a gun that fires donuts and cheeseburgers."
Is this true? - is this how they are keeping a lid on it?
Don't forget 'IMF Money is mainly US money" - surely it's time to get angry america?
Yes and on top of that dont forget douchebag Mitch McConell and man-tan Boehner are now quite eager to raise the debt ceiling far as it needs to go to ensure perpetual can kicking and debt for US 'Merikans...hell what do they care anyway just keep the unemployment and SNAP cards rolling in, its all good.
I bet they did great in "Social" Studies in school.
Hasn't EFSF only issued 10 billion of bonds so far?
Can EFSF still get AAA rating if so many countries drop out and with the downgrades/negative outlooks some remaining countries have experienced?
No way. The Finns and the Dutch will never agree on that, plus the possibility of the EU
printing its way out of it will never get Germany's agreement, as they still have a pretty harsh memory from hyperflation in the 30's. Economies the size of Spain or Italy are too big to qualify for a bailout, and this would be the final endgame for the €.
Funny how the krauts want to have a weak "hard" currency isnt it?
Dont we all!
there is no endgame, the desired final crash will never happen. If the system crashes, all fiat would be worthless within days, many people would die, but all bankers would be NAKED and DEAD, too. This is why it will NOT happen. When will the sun go out, again? in a billion years or so. There are many, many future generations to enslave and pay back the debt plus interest. The frogs will be cooked slowly. Stop dreaming of a final crash. It will not happen.
The system is definitely not on the ascendance. You say "but all bankers would be NAKED and DEAD, too." The risk of the financial system collapsing is sytemic, it's here, and it is structural. It won't go away. Ask the people of the UK or the US for another bailout - which will have to happen sooner or later.
The risk of the financial system collapsing is sytemic, it's here, and it is structural.
The risk of the financial system collapsing is sytemic, it's here, and it is structural.
yes, of course - and you say it, the RISK is there, it has been since 1913 and it was maximised in 1971. The RISK. But it has not actually happened and it will not happen. The most sensible and best thing for everybody would be to let the PIIGS default, to let their own, new currencies find their market value etc. But this is simply not possible - the several 100 trillion of CDS notional amounts would be due... even god would not be able to print this amount whithout letting everything completely collapse. There will be bailout after bailout, money will be printed just to pay interest, and as I said, there are almost endless future generations who can be enslaved to pay interest.
Let us not get enslaved by a lack of hope in the first place.
I know what you mean and you are right, but one can also be enslaved by 'hopium'.
Right. That crash three years ago must have been in my imagination then.
I think you know well what I mean, 2008 was a MARKET crash. I am speaking about a SYSTEM crash. I read it 1.000 times and I acknowledge that all fiat currencies eventually failed and disappeared. But in history currencies and systems had competetion. Today there is only ONE system on the entire planet and there is only fiat money. And the plutocrat/oligarch owners of the planet are too powerful to let THEIR system collapse and to watch themselves being replaced by whatever else.
Peak inside the ponzischeme:
Kicking the can stops when one of the ratings agencies downgrades France on its liabilities to various bail out mechanisms.
S&P is quoted as saying in December
If the French government fails to meet its budget deficit targets, the long-term sovereign credit rating could come under downward pressure.
Standard & Poor's said budgetary measures implemented so far would likely be insufficient to meet the proposed target.
Does pouring money into bail outs sound like meeting deficit targets to you?
We need to fast forward to the end of this shitty movie. I've gained 15 pounds eating popcorn.
the "Bailout 15"
I think we're going to need a sense of humor to deal with what's coming. Watching Bberg with Lucy Liu and they're wondering if this soft spot is "transitory". I'm getting so sick of these terms and catch phrases. We're fuckin' broke. How's that for fuckin' transitory, bitch.
I'll be looking to short the E/U in the 1.4285-1.43 range.
I don't see this news as having much traction.
yeah, this seems like some last ditch attempt. EFSF has only issued 10 billion, so not sure a lack of funds is the current issue
only thing i can think of is Germany decided they could screw their citizens by providing guarantees to EFSF rather than lending money to Greece directly? a horrible lie that should backfire massively, but might make sense to a politician
yeah...considering the timing of this news, it just feels like some desperate attempt to keep the markets from dipping below the 200DMA.
I set an overnight cover order on my E/U short and sure as hell, it covered 12pips above the overnight low. I love it when a plan works. Waking up with profits already made beats the living daylights out of waking up and facing rush hour traffic to go to a shit job. :-)
Now lets see if I can get it right twice in a day. I Just opened a short starter position at 1.4296. I'd look to cover at 1.4220...
"nothing less than a complete dissolution of the currency union and an unmitigated monetization ala Weimar will save what is left of the productive powers remaining in
CDO superhero to the rescue:
i dont remember the dialogue exactly ...but it went something like this ..."....when the chips are down , these CIVILIZED people will eat each other"
Most americans dont know how to eat anything other than pre packaged burgers and fries.
Glad to see you with posting privileges Lizzy. You've always been a voice of reason.
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