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Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:35 | 76766 pigpen
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Any ideas who will speak the the US dollar funeral?

Will there be a wake? What should we send to taxpayers in lieu of flowers?

When does this become political and all eyes even eyes of idiots glance over at the FED and US Treasury?

So many question.

TD or Robot, will you guys give an eulogy for my beloved national currency?

Or maybe this is a job for Ben Dover? Maybe we can have wallstreetpro2 do some sort of audio visual performance art piece.

Any suggestions will be welcomed.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:37 | 76768 Stevm30
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Part of that eulogy should be "Let the death of the dollar be a symbol to future generations: When your politicians say 'I am not a crook'; they are lying."

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:50 | 76783 Anonymous
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As a short term trade isn't this bullish for the dollar espically as the dxy hasent cracked 76 yet and looks like it may have a final bounce up before it goes through it on to 71

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:21 | 76932 Steak
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Which country would consider it a delicious irony to send a couple cruise missiles to the dollar's funeral...

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:35 | 77101 Anonymous
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Won't the dollar take a clue from the breathtaking
Financial rally since March 2009?

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 12:21 | 77368 Anonymous
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Anyone been following Timmay's headline pronouncements
todday re the Good Fed Track Record and not banning
naked credit default swaps?


Things might be getting desperate in DC...

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:45 | 76777 Hephasteus
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The ponzi is dead. Long live the new ponzi.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:48 | 76780 pigpen
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We imperialistic, leveraged to crony finance, well-armed anglo saxons are not long for this world.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:49 | 76782 par068
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That's it,

Green Shoots = New Ponzi

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:50 | 76784 Miles Kendig
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In a race to the bottom who has the most juice?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:51 | 76785 chumbawamba
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It's too quiet.  Something is imminent.  I can taste it.

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:36 | 77102 Anonymous
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Look at the chart of USD:GOLD which shows a double bottom in 2008 and 2009:


Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:51 | 76786 TwoJacks
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Bernie Madoff has got to be crying in his rack right now, and blubbering, "...and they put me in jail for what I did?"

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:59 | 76789 Bam_Man
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And I'm sure Bernie is also saying to himself:

"Sonofabitch! If I'd only been able to hang in there for a couple of more months, this new equity bubble would have kept the whole thing going..."

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:16 | 76805 deadhead
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Sonofabitch! If I'd only been able to hang in there for a couple of more months, this new equity bubble would have kept the whole thing going..."

This!!!!!  It must be driving Madoff nuts right now because it is oh so true.

Great comment, one of the best I have seen this week so far.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:22 | 76809 Anonymous
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Bernie couldn't any careless he never traded anyway. That was the whole idea

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 20:48 | 76901 mickey the piker
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"Bernie couldn't any careless he never traded anyway. That was the whole idea"

If you believe that Bernie didn't trade, then I have a prime first lien mortgage to sell you...

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 00:13 | 77050 Anonymous
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If you believe he's in prison, I have a CDO to sell you.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 17:52 | 76787 Anonymous
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Isn't this bullish for the dollar as it can blow through 76 on the dyx on its way to 71 then to ....well who knows after that.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:01 | 76793 Dixie Normous
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Nice analysis, especially interesting going into Fed Speak.

Holy shit though if your bearish analysis is wrong and this breaks out of the 160-170 channel to the upside.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:06 | 76798 Anonymous
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Why the fuck does the credible (one would like to hope) ZeroHedge relate bullshit like "technical analysis"?

Do ZeroHedge also believe in the astrological signs and horoscopes? What about Santa Claus and his elves?

"very clear H&S pattern" and "morning star pattern"?? (Yes, I actually know what H&S means - that's not the problem here)

Can ZeroHedge please relate WHY astrology-level research like this should be taken seriously? Have ZeroHedge or anyone done any half-serious testing, checking out the predictions against the actual outcome?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:12 | 76803 Tyler Durden
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Zero Hedge presents all information that could be considered relevant by our readers. While we may or may not agree with Nic's thesis, one could easily make the argument that we have gotten to a point where fundamental analysis is the equivalent of horse manure or coffee bean readings in the current market.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:21 | 76807 Raymond Shaw
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Technical analysis does have its place.  I have been touting Sterling shorts for quite a while.  Fundamental data not so hot right now with the outright manipulation of statistics (redundant, I know).  Anyway, 'nuff said.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:42 | 76855 Missing_Link
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Agreed.  Not all technical analysis is bogus.  Some of it is, but not all of it.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:18 | 76929 TumblingDice
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I think patterns are the most legit part of TA, but not all patterns have to be technical.

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:45 | 77109 texpat
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Here's an improving fundie. Check the latest week against the trailing average...


Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:41 | 77106 Anonymous
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Got me in last March and out with trailing MCO Stops:


Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:15 | 76924 Tripps
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tyler just NAILED it! What a QUOTE to be remembered!


"we have gotten to a point where fundamental analysis is the equivalent of horse manure or coffee bean readings in the current market"


the market is so WAY off the fundamentals that everything is backwards. So everyone HAS been following T/A for months now and lo and behold we 20% UP above the nearest respected moving average and all of a sudden T/A doesn't matter, there will be no big pullback, etc. All these PMS, analysts, talking heads, kudlow show wanna-be hosts who show up and PUMP PUMP PUMP their book even though they never even SAW the recession! these people should be BAnned FROM TV....AND YET THERE THEY ARE ON NIGHTLY

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:42 | 77107 Anonymous
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Greater fool theory always takes over at tops...

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 07:12 | 77175 Anonymous
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(me again, thanks for replying)

But I have to disagree: You obviously don't present all information that could be considered relevant - you pass the heap of thoughts out there through your personal subjective sieve, and then we get the result. Which is that the world is at the end of a cliff, and there's an abyss in front of us.

There's one thing I would like you to do some serious, ongoing commenting on - I would seriously appreciate it, as would probably other readers of your blog.

= Why do (some) people disagree with you? :-)

And no, I'm not talking about the HFT algos and quants (although I would love to see any quantification of how right you are on these assumptions).

I'm talking about e.g. the apparent perma-bulls over at Bespoke Investment Group (http://bespokeinvest.typepad.com/) and their like minded.

What would be enlightening to us mere mortals in this game, is a thorough analysis of their arguments and why they are flawed, and why you are right. (Granted, Bespoke are TA folks or whatever. But I guess you get my point).

The other way around would also do very good - that the Bespoke-guys took all your doom and gloom and tore it to pieces.

This would be good in several senses, as both the other-sided arguments would be studied harder by folks in the know, but also a sort of competition in the real backing up of ones own arguments would probably ensue.

So here goes, Tyler: You start - tell me why Bespoke (or any other bullish entity) is completely off their heads!

THE REASON for this longing, is that SO FAR, you seems to have the best and most thorough arguments - but Bespoke has been right.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:18 | 76835 Thurgy
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@Anonymous #76798 : Is that you Kneale?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 22:03 | 76964 long-shorty
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Would you prefer ZH limit itself to articles about Vanguard and DFA? i can't figure out why i keep making so much money on breakouts when technical analysis doesn't work and stock prices demonstrate a random normal or log-normal pattern of return. oh wait... THEY DON'T!

Nothing wrong with technical analysis, though one thing wrong with this article is that the right shoulder in a H&S should not be taller than the left shoulder. The big picture pattern I see here is a cup and handle, which is likely to resolve itself by moving to the upside.

The vast majority of research, either technical or fundamental, that is of predictive value, is not going to be on ZH, CNBC, or elsewhere, because it's proprietary. If you have something and you believe it works, you don't talk about it or you say just enough to get client $, you don't go and publish in a journal.


Wed, 09/23/2009 - 06:55 | 77174 Anonymous
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(me again!) (not Kneale!) Your last paragraph is obviously something to keep in mind, always. I've always wondered about the whole concept and system of investment banks, -research, -advisors and the like: If they have something that really works; why not instead take their own money and put in it, obviously leveraged oo:1, SINCE IT WORKS??

Are they altruistic? Just being nice?

The only way to resolve this sanely, is to boil it down to the actual argument: "Heads I win, Tails you loose": you take the risk - we share the reward. Thus, an advisor can give as shit advice, or risky advice, as he wants (or can pass through the law): He sits risk free.

But, long-shorty, you obviously sit on some gold knowledge: Care to share a little? :-)

Wed, 09/23/2009 - 01:39 | 77104 Anonymous
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Then consider the COTs which are up to
68.4% long and 29.7% short the dollar open interest...

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:24 | 76810 Gordon_Gekko
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Ummm...what happened to the thesis of "the dollar is immediately going to reverse and become the king of all toilet papers"?

"you can try investing in relative value between the two biggest printers of cash: the US and the UK"

No thank you. I'd rather invest in the ultimate hard currency of Gold rather than any toilet-paper currency.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:15 | 76820 Hephasteus
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Oh come on don't get all fussy about the love between continents and islands. You  might like it. This is what they listen to when they do the carry trades at night. It's hot libor love. Do me in the accounts payable or recievable or wherever. LOL


Tue, 09/22/2009 - 20:37 | 76891 Anonymous
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If I were you I would seriously bail out. September comes and the balloon crew pulls another miracle rabbit out of their magic hat.

Pull the fire alarm if you must cause a distraction but bail out of the longs.


Wed, 09/23/2009 - 04:08 | 77149 Gordon_Gekko
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I am only long Gold right now. Zero longs in everything else, but not short either.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 18:55 | 76826 Anonymous
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And what happens if the Chinese are running their printing presses 24/7?

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:28 | 76836 Thurgy
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I deduce they will run of out ink which will temporarily force a correction in the copper market because the pig farmers have no additional buying power.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:40 | 76853 SWRichmond
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Soldiers await pay as Zimbabwe runs out of paper to print money
Tue, 09/22/2009 - 19:50 | 76860 Thurgy
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The next problem Zimbabwe will have is converting to scientific notation on their bills.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 22:15 | 76975 aldousd
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They actually cranked it back 10 digits all at once, and did a reverse split. of 10^10 to 1. Fancy that, and they were back where they started 6 months later.( I don't know the exact time frame, don't quote me on the 6 months.)

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 20:48 | 76902 Hephasteus
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LOL they have to pay software licenses to print the bank notes. OMG what a world.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:16 | 76925 TumblingDice
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That is when you know: Zimbabwe can't print more money because they can't pay the German printing press to come out with a design for a higher denomination with the money they have printed previously.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:27 | 76940 MinnesotaNice
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"Zimbabweans were limited to withdrawing just $100bn a day from their bank accounts, enough to buy less than half a loaf of bread, although the government had just increased the allowance to $1.5tn a day for members of the military."  Wow is all I can say! 

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:37 | 76945 TumblingDice
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You can also say that the smart Zimbabwean government officials have read their history books: it goes guns and butter not butter and guns. You've got to work your way up the curve.

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 21:41 | 76947 MinnesotaNice
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Its just amazing Tumbling Dice to think how devalued their currency is... yet there remains a Zimbabwean government...

Tue, 09/22/2009 - 22:21 | 76966 TumblingDice
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Someone has to hold on to the AKs...plus I think that the people might even realize that the true source of oppression is the IMF and the Fed and not the government. In their case the government is simply incompetent, and not completely evil. They just printed money without creating debt and thats a big no-no for the "market".

Then again it most likely has to do with the fact that the effective range that the 9mm pistol the farmer has is about 5 times less than the AKs the uniformed dudes are holding, and theres more of them and they get paid about 15 times more than the farmer so theyre more nourished since they're the ones that buy up the farmer's food.

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