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Dylan Ratigan Elaborates On Hostage Crisis, Fortune's Andrew Serwer Joins Anti Goldman Crusade

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Dylan Ratigan shares some follow up thoughts on his article posted yesterday.

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In the meantime, the vampire squid gets one more fan, this time in the face of Fortune Magazine managing editor Andrew Serwer.

SERWER: I mean, it's amazing to me that as we recover, you know, come out of this financial crisis, you know, you'd expect a company like Goldman Sachs maybe things are improving, make a little money. But they have a record quarter. In other words, they made more money in this three month period than they ever had in any other--

SCARBOROUGH: [archly] But they just made some good guesses, right?

SERWER: Well, I don't know if it's okay or not, but I think what happened is that the government has telegraphed to Wall Street, not only Goldman Sachs but the other firms what it was doing, what was going on, what the program was, and so, essentially, it's like telling a Goldman Sachs, "Hey, put your money on 32 Black" at the casino, at the roulette wheel. And the thing spins and lo and behold, where does it end up, Joe?

SCARBOROUGH: 32 Black?

SERWER: 32 Black.

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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:02 | Link to Comment You Cant Handle...
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Now that everyone has identified the GS problem, what are some solutions?

 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Mr. Anonymous
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Go old school Constitutional: pull their charter and Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific be damned, since that was a scam, too. 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:10 | Link to Comment NRGTDR
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Total dissolution of the federal government by the states.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:49 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Is there a constitional mechanism to do this?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:32 | Link to Comment VegasBD
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Yea, enforce the 10th amendment.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:45 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:17 | Link to Comment blackebitda
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they should have been allowed to fail one year ago. now they exist under false pretense and have even more of their respective market share. this is modern day organised crime. so today's solution. force them to their bank charter, cap their leverage significantly increase their cost of money, and that should help us see how good they are. 

then the talent can disband and form their own hedge funds risking opm not taxpayer's. yet they already paid that back. 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Howard_Beale
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Take away their status as a bank holding company and access to the discount window would be a good start.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:11 | Link to Comment D.O.D.
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I find it especially interesting as soon as someone makes some valid powerful points, it's turned into a big running joke.  Yes they stay on message, but the obvious discomfort with the directness is a testament to American M$M...

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:14 | Link to Comment HEHEHE
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You institute an orderly breakup of every company deemed too big to fail.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:14 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Veteran
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Seriously.  JPM gets the kid glove treatment, while they are screwing average Americans about a thousand times worse than GS. 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:53 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Because Jamie Dimon is that man that saved wall street. Jamie is the master of public relations. And because he is good looking (seriously that matters - halo effect).

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:04 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Hahahaha: Saved WS, his company under his leadership created CDO's.  Just cause he got cold feet about their ultimate destruction and had everybody dump everything does not make him the "saviour"....JPM owns a large block of media....and he who pay's picks the music...;-)

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:09 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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I was being facetious, with respect to his saving Wall Street.  It was a Newsweek article: The Banker Who Saved Wall Street

http://www.newsweek.com/id/215177/output/print

And he definitely picks the music.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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LOL...Newsweek is the equivalent of Star Mag...Jaime is short and petty...;-))

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i don't know about CDOs but CDS were created back in 1992 in a Florida resort by a couple of young JPM employees while enjoying the standard WS weekend package; whores and blow +  maybe a midget and some horse tranquilizers.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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I stand corrected, CDS were created by a group of JPM employees at the Breakers in Palm Beach.  my typo...I suffered a broken leg, I was twisted and crashed my golf cart.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:52 | Link to Comment McGriffen
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I think Milken & Drexel receives some credit for the CDO technology...back then (late '80s) it was strictly corporate bonds (high yield, junk, spec)

The asset-backed / MBS CDO machinery kicked in during mid-1990s, i think

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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You were there too!  lol

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 09/16/2009 - 15:49 | Link to Comment DrPsycho
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......did that really bear repeating ?.........

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:26 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I knew when he left fast money he had enough of it figured out.

THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND
words and music by Woody Guthrie

Chorus:
This land is your land, this land is my land
From California, to the New York Island
From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters
This land was made for you and me

As I was walking a ribbon of highway
I saw above me an endless skyway
I saw below me a golden valley
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
And all around me a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

The sun comes shining as I was strolling
The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling
The fog was lifting a voice come chanting
This land was made for you and me

Chorus

As I was walkin'  -  I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side  .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

Chorus

In the squares of the city - In the shadow of the steeple
Near the relief office - I see my people
And some are grumblin' and some are wonderin'
If this land's still made for you and me.

Chorus (2x)

©1956 (renewed 1984), 1958 (renewed 1986) and 1970 TRO-Ludlow Music, Inc. (
BMI) Funny how things get dark at the end of poetry.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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something is not right; all you regulars know where i stand when it comes to the current state of affairs; but this just doesn't smell right. Why the sudden change of heart when it comes to WS, why the sudden and highly concentrated effort from the MSM to " expose " them. Why all of the sudden such a big fuss from the major MSM outlets. Distraction, my friends, i don't know what should, or where should, we look at; but we are looking at the wrong thing right know. Something is cooking somewhere that someone doesn't want the majority to know. I'm HIGHLY suspicious about all this; but hey if it comes to the guillotine and/or gallows part; i would probably pay some big money to be the one who would pull the leaver under those mofos.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:34 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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I am suspicious as well; it all looks like a desperate attempt to channel the anger and frustration of J6P. Maybe a distraction as well.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:11 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Remember Obamas message to the banks about no more bailouts?

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/09/14/obama-tells-wall-street-bail-out-days-are-over-five-points-to/

He knows what is going on now. The writing is on the wall and his credibility is shot because of the first bailout. This shitmobile is heading off a cliff. They are changing tactics because they can no longer afford to defend the indefensible. There just isn't enough money. He now needs public support. And MSM may have to deliver. Could be somthing to do with the second wave of CRE defaults coming but I think it's bigger. Much bigger $500 Trillion of otc swaps that The Bank for International Settlements in Basel has been warning about. Since the global economy is a mere 60 Trillion... The end game is starting.

Course I have been wrong before...

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:12 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Seems pretty spot on for me. When politicians start to aggressively assign blame and take credit (esp at the same time) something is up.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:48 | Link to Comment agrotera
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I have much respect for the office of the President, but i am sorry to say, that i have reached the overdone point when it comes to listening to any of Obama's words--he has lied too many times to believe anything he says...sorry but it is just the truth.

AND, i think that both Obama and Geithner, had a brief, three week period, where they were learning the FULL MONTY TRUTH of the way the privately held Federal Reserve machine runs, and during that time, we, and the whole world, were waiting to see if they would decry the Paulson/Bernake bankheist...sadly weeks passed and they didnt--they came out in full support of the paulson/bernake bailoutheistbonanza...that same week, China gave their warning to the US to be careful with their investments, and the United Nations announced that they would make a recommendation at their next meeting that the world move away from the US$ as the world currency...

UP until that fateful day, the world kept hope that Obama wasn't corrupt, but, when he went along with the biggest bank heist of all time, there was no denying the fact that he too had been purchased by the fed machine.

IT is such theater to say, "no more bailouts" ...after 23TRILLION has been put on the line to back the mistakes of this corrupt monster machine we call the Federal Reserve, it is all just a very sad joke on us...the only thing we have left to help give our country back it's good name, is to at least name this crime, and prosecute the criminals properly.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:38 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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CB: Let's stage a worst case scenario.  Cuomo indicts, Bernanke, Paulson and Lewis.  Obama throws Benanke under the bus and installs Summers, Paulson shares a cell with Madoff and Lewis rats on Everybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i swear to you, they will buy some minor pacific state like Kiribati or French Polynesia and transfer their wealth into Swiss, secure logistics and crush the entire thing so that the world would not only get back into the Dark Ages, but somewhere in the pre-paleolithic period. And you know who wins then? The people who are used to live in caves; a little hint; you're military is there for almost 8 yrs without clear victory; and no; its no a game like Iraq; Afghans are the real deal; the descendants of the warriors and used to war, death and yes you guessed it CAVES.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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CB: I would like to take our dance off line.  How do I reach you?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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off-line ? you mean the no-internet reality ? haven't been there for ages ( kidding ). Reach me ? You would probably locate Jimmy Hoffa before reaching me. And what do you mean dance ?

Oh, and slightly off topic. I've been talking to a senior manager in Banco Santander last weekend in Monza, and i asked him about how they are doing, and they guy was a bit drunk and he told me, that basically they're in such a good mood they plan some acquisitions in the Q1 and Q2 of '10 and that the only thing that's keeping them from not doing so right now is the PE of the institutions they try to take over. Also, he said, the next leg down is when they're gonna make their move. So, plan accordingly.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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ROTFLMAO...The greatest liars in the world, are juiced banksters!!!

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 16:07 | Link to Comment DrPsycho
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CB, that was a very smooth invitation you ignored.......methinks your contributions have stirred someone's "interest".......(and I don't mean romantic)

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:54 | Link to Comment Veteran
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"Afghans are the real deal'

 

Agree completely.  Have experience wif both Iraqi's and Afghani's and the Afghani's are hard as nails, murderous, treacherous, cold hearted sonsabitches. They were born into pain. . .

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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shit man, they got war in their genes the same way European royalty has incest and the Bush family has retardation. They've been fighting non-stop for almost 2 millennia. If the managed to take down the USSR shooting RPGs of the back off donkeys i really don't see a problem.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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They managed to take down USSR because Charlie Wilson provided the arms and technology...;-)

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Veteran
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. . .and let us not forget the savage beating they gave the British, several times, during the Great Game

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:16 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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LOL..the British got slapped by everybody, including some sheep in Argentina..lol

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I think someone needs to find a british sailor and yell EXOCET MISSLE just to watch him shat his pants.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:05 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Gotta love the French for delivering them to the Junta just in time for the shooting to start.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:48 | Link to Comment McLuvin
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Hah, Afghans...I wear 'em to breakfast.

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 16:03 | Link to Comment DrPsycho
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+100000000 for the Bush remark.......

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:33 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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yes; but oddly enough; when you mention that here on ZH you are labeled as anti-semitic nazi sand-nigger loving son of a bitch ( at least i was ). i for one give you + 100000

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:01 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Is on the radar but on hold.

When it becomes apparent to this administration that there is no way to keep this rocketing shitmobile on the road... then the diversion... and the administrations alibi for the ensuing carnage... will come in the form of an Israeli attack. Thank goodness JPM and GS are loaded to the tits with crude.

This year... not next.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:50 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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It's possible Goldman lost the kid glove treatment because they are essentially obsolete. They provide nothing to the economy nor is there any demand for IB services, they exist  only as a parasitic force.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 09/16/2009 - 01:09 | Link to Comment theadr
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Now you can get your two (jabs) in one.  Don't watch the hand with the wand!

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:25 | Link to Comment Charley
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Crises are not caused by malfeasance, ponzis, cronyism - but these become convenient scapegoats in times of crisis.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:31 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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what are they caused by then?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Charley
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Per Schumpeter: crises are an adjustment to previous economic change. And, any attempt to stop that adjustment only leads to further imbalances which must eventually be worked out as well.

In this case, IMO, it is the accumulated changes to the economy since the last big D, plus all the imbalances built up in the intervening period as Washington followed its inflationary growth model.

That is about seventy years of unaccounted for economic adjustments - this hasn't even begun.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:50 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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crises are an adjustment to previous economic change

And the Sun revolves around the Earth and God causes lightning. I mean if we're gonna write bullshit ( i know it's not you who came up with this " fact " ) let's take it up a notch and go from crazy to bat-shit insane.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:53 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Rahmbo: never waste a good Crisis?  Nothing would surprise me anymore...

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Charley
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Hardly bullshit: Schumpeter accurately predicted the long period of secular inflation, and the ultimate undoing of the reforms of the New Deal which are the immediate precursors to this collapse. He also taught Minsky...

 

You might also check out Steve Keens over at Debtwatch blog: who draws on Schumpeter, Minsky and Karl Marx to produce some interesting insights into this crisis.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:12 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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look, i'm all for believing in stochastic ordering rather than deterministic one, but Schumpeter and his structural materialistic/historic dialectic is bordering with the general metaphysics to much for my taste. Class struggle is not Marxs idea but simply a deducted generalization from History. It's a no brainer that the exact opposite will happen than what most believe in; but that is not ingenuity of the messenger, but simply stupidity of the crowd. Also Taleb is somewhere in that category of volatile dialectics preachers. But Marx, unlike Taleb, gave birth to the modern economy. Every economy in this world is a Marxian economy.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Charley
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Cheeky, I am not sure I get your drift. I am not saying crimes were not committed by people, only that those crimes are not the cause of this crisis. Nor was it caused by industry capture, or deregulation, or any of the causes the media wants to focus on.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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i thought we were still on the : " crisis is an adjustment to the previous change " thing. i got slightly technical about that ( sorry ). Crisis do not just pop out of the thin air ( unlike money ) and don't just vanish into thin air ( unlike money ). They are the outcome of several factors; and not one of those factors has anything to do with finances. 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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OMFG: I know who you are...OMG..

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Cheeky Bastard
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who ? say it; you know i won't deny it or admit it ( the SEC treatment ) but go ahead; try.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:54 | Link to Comment Bolweevil
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He is Chabal, no?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:35 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Fractional Reserve banking is an unstable divorcement from reality it always goes nuts. Always has always will. The crisis is baked into pie.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Wed, 09/16/2009 - 18:43 | Link to Comment Charley
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"i got slightly technical about that"

Oh, is that what that was: I thought it was gibberish.

I am not prepared or inclined to engage in philosophical debate. My only point was that real changes taking place in the economy work themselves out through these kinds of crises. And, that criminal behavior is often exposed by this, but are not its cause.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:36 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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Imbalances always exist, indeed changes always exist so you need to be more specific. From this post I get the impression that the economy works like clockwork like a swiss watch where if you just leave it alone and it turns back to midnight so the whole thing resets and everyone is happy. But if we keep winding it back then the watch could break when it seeks midnight and we get a big doo doo. This is a type of perspective that does not account for the complexity of it all. Sure the thing needs to rest and whatnot but then again, the information gathered during the previous cycle cannot be ignored. 

The technological, artistic and cultural progress is a big part of eonomics and sometimes those adjust by themselves.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 21:47 | Link to Comment t0gn (not verified)
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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:37 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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And Alcohol.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Why can't I see Goldman?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 23:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Exactly what do you suggest, we go out and make political arrests??  How do you fight cancer with asprin?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:39 | Link to Comment agrotera
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Hey Dylan, if you are reading this, i was "a little birdie" speaking in your ear last fall...thank you for listening, and thank you for keeping up the good fight!

and to ZH friends, sorry for the cryptic message...but, it is just for Dylan.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:37 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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MSNBC, Huffington et. al. are having a simutaneous and sudden hate on for all things bankster - these media are an extension of President Obama`s White House.  Something is up.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Huff loves Taleb, Roubini...hates Geithner and Summers...

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:08 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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Arianna`s latest - like most of her other editorials - President Obama is blameless in all of this; a vicitim, as it were.  In his defense she offers up the excuse of well meaning naïvety.  So perhaps Dylan and friends are a means of deflecting anger (shared by most right thinking folks of every political stripe) away from President Obama. A type of media induced catharsis.  It seems up to this point that the tea party set have been the most vocal and some would say gaining momentum. So maybe the strategy is to redirect teh anger towards Wall Street and away from its political enablers. And don`t forget priority one is health care so this may be the distraction. 

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/why-obama-wont-be-able-...

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Steak
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In related financial journalism news

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1254391915&play=1

7:27

Carl Onmykneesa: "you talk about forgetting the past, does that mean you're willing to let go of that issue of the payments that went to counterparties?"

Hank "Give Cassano the keys" Greenberg:  "no i'm not suggesting that, some good investigative reporter will do that"

I'm quite sure the irony that the "good investigative reporter" in this instance will never come from CNBC and it has been the blogs all over this topic was completely lost on everyone at the desk and that network.  Its been said so many times, but CNBC's idea of journalism is asking "what are you buying."  No useful info about finance will come from that weak excuse for a "news" outlet.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:48 | Link to Comment contrabandista13
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Funny how the right and the left are meeting at the back end of the circle.....

 

Did anyone see Mark Williams talking James Carville and Ed Rollins down like the little biatches they are... Not that I watch spokes model Anderson Cooper, I SWEAR I DONT.... It just happened to be on in the background at my mother's house.....  

 

It's all good....

 

Econolicious

 

 

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 17:49 | Link to Comment McLuvin
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Friends, citizens, countrymen, lend me your ears.  I come to bury the free market, not to praise it.  The noble Bernanke has said that a free market collapse had to be averted and AIG had to be saved for the sake of Goldman, and the greater good, and if it were so, free markets be damned.  For Bernanke is an honorable man.  As is Paulson, and Geithner, and Blankfein; all honorable men.  They have all said that government knows best, and the market knows not, and have eliminated marked to market rules, for they are honorable men.  Free markets would have only destroyed all the bad debts, and brought out private capital to invest in new industries and innovations, sustaining growth for a newly revitalized economy, directing raw materials and labor into viable growth sectors.  Yet they say this would have been too painful for those currently in power, and only they can help us.  And they are all honorable men.  Had deflation taken hold, commodities would drop in price, allowing every day necessities to be readily available, causing savings and the velocity of the existing money supply to pick up (since they are no longer being misallocated), promoting real growth.  But they say that this would reduce the demand for credit, and hurt the banks, and they are honorable men.  I speak not to disprove these wise and honorable men, but I speak what I do know.  I cannot disprove Bernanke's statement that this recession is over, I can only disprove his statements from last year.  I cannot pass judgement on record earnings and bonuses at Goldman, since there are many records set this year.  Record post WWII unemployment must mean that those that remain employed must sop up the excess cash.  Record foreclosures mean Goldman employees must buy larger homes to shelter those less fortunate.  My heart is in the coffin with the free market, and I must pause till it comes back to me.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 18:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:06 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Would you like "freedom Fries" with dat?

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:27 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Check number 70405006 cleared...courtesy of red Calamari...lol

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 19:27 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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Dylan was a bailout cheerleader, I do remember.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 20:08 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
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watching BBC news just now - its high fives all around for the economy - so now with the media  (and coincidentally Benny earlier today) claiming victory - what better time to have some hacks express false outrage to diffuse some of the anger

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 21:18 | Link to Comment Silver Bullet
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I'm gonna look at it from a postive angle. He got new info, changed his opinions. That is all you can really ask from a person, critical thinking that is.

By the way, I'm guessing at his current rate it won't be long until he is fired from MSNBC/GE.

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 00:01 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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With the media so corrupted, I hesitate to extend the benefit of doubt to any of them, like CB is saying, this isn't smelling right. If it is indeed Fascist media then we can expect a GS hate train followed by a swift takeover by US "authorities", maybe Blackwater. We won't know until it's over.

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 01:29 | Link to Comment theadr
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Let's see if GS can digest C; the 'good' bank only, of course.

 

"We're so sorry Mr. Taxpayer.  We took your loan and used it to game the markets in our favor.  It's time for ethics and neighborly love.  Let's say we take C and all it's taxpayer debt off your hands for $8 a share.  Will we be even steven then?  Pretty please."

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 09:31 | Link to Comment JohnKing
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I don't think they'll digest it, just run it by proxy by installing a GS guy, I think they are pissed that Thain got the bounce and Ken Lewis is on the ropes because of it.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 21:47 | Link to Comment t0gn (not verified)
Wed, 09/16/2009 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 09/15/2009 - 22:13 | Link to Comment John Self
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Crap, I knew I shouldn't have put the mortgage money on 31 Red.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 23:57 | Link to Comment tallystick
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This hostage decided to fight back by maxing the plastic of my TBTF BAC card followed by refusal to pay until Ken Lewis is in jail.  After hearing my intentions they've already offered to take a 50% haircut on the outstanding balance.  I'm standing firm, and no outstanding balances will be paid until I see perp walks. 

 

Would I do this if I owed an actual person real money? No! But I have no respect for Bernanke's keystroke spawned fraud dollars.  If more people join this protest we can bring the crooks to their knees.

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 01:32 | Link to Comment theadr
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The most Ken Lewis will get is a golden parachute.  Maybe you can give him a golden shower from the balcony at the MET.

Tue, 09/15/2009 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Wed, 09/16/2009 - 02:07 | Link to Comment CD
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There is an interesting comment on the Business Insider version of Dylan's HuffPo article, mentioning Goldman Sachs being dissatisfied with the level of police protection NYC is proposing to offer its new HQ complex at Ground Zero -- NY Post article here:

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/city_to_unsafe_sachs_pay_fo...

The funniest part: "As part of the deal, Goldman would be in line for a $320 million payout if the [$2.4B] building is not ready by 2010 because of a failure to complete the security plan or road projects."

Hat tip:"hmmm..I wonder
why they are 'concerned'."

http://www.businessinsider.com/americans-have-been-taken-hostage-2009-9#...

 

Wed, 09/16/2009 - 07:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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